-!- Irrsi Log opened Sun Sep 01 00:00:55 2002
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[01:36] < th> grmpf ich hab zu wenig udma kabel
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[07:39] < huebi> moin
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[11:15] < praenti> moin
[11:15] < praenti> huebi: have we had a change in the last 2 month in gcc build files?
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[11:24] < huebi> moin praenti
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[11:25] < huebi> moin th
[11:25] < huebi> praenti: have a look at the webcvs
[11:25] < praenti> huebi: i have found one
[11:26] < term_emu> mornin
[11:26] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/gcc/
[11:26] < huebi> praenti: the fis for $MAKE
[11:26] < thalerim> moin all
[11:26] < praenti> huebi: i will install the binutils on my running system. if i get the same error. binutils are the problem otherwise we have a problem with gcc
[11:27] < huebi> praenti: yes, please test it.
[11:27] < thalerim> praenti: 2.5.33 is out ;)
[11:29] < huebi> praenti: lilo 22.3.3 is out (and now updated in cvs)
[11:29] < praenti> thalerim: i will try it on my new system, if i get linux-pkg compile
[11:50] < thalerim> wo bleibt nur owl ... *grummel*
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[12:02] < bluefire> Moin
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[12:28] < netcrow> hi
[12:28] < thaly^hw> moin
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[12:43] < thalerim> moin zero
[12:44] < praenti_compile> could anybody have a look on grep and how you can disable libpcre-checking
[12:44] < thalerim> ???
[12:45] < praenti_compile> thalerim: i have tried some options but the configure detected libpcre all the time (cause it is installed as long as the compile is in stage 1)
[12:46] < thalerim> what is libpcre ? ;)
[12:46] < praenti_compile> thalerim: a library with extended regexp support
[12:47] < praenti_compile> thalerim: should be in kde for better regexp support
[12:47] < thalerim> if it's a feature (by meaning of it's "unpluggable"), it can be disabled by --disable-<featurename> usually
[12:49] < praenti_compile> thalerim: this is the result: checking for pcre_exec in -lpcre... yes
[12:49] < praenti_compile> and it should be no
[12:49] < thalerim> isn't there a --disable- option for it?
[12:50] < huebi> praenti_compile: normaly this shut be an issue of autoconf. The configure.in file has to be changed. Log in the changelog after the last update of autoconf
[12:50] < huebi> s/shut/should/
[12:50] < huebi> s/Log/Look/
[12:51] < thalerim> normally is that you disable it with --disable-
[12:51] < thalerim> :P
[12:51] < praenti_compile> not really. i have tried --disable-pcre --without-pcre ..-pcre_exec ..-libpcre
[12:51] < thalerim> what says .configure --help?
[12:51] < huebi> thalerim: Won't work.
[12:51] < praenti_compile> huebi: that is the configure from the tarball
[12:52] < praenti_compile> huebi: there is no running autconf.
[12:52] < huebi> praenti_compile: grep 2.5
[12:52] < huebi> ?
[12:52] < praenti_compile> huebi: yes. the problem is in stage 1 the build-system can see my /usr/lib
[12:52] < huebi> autoconf 2.53?
[12:53] < praenti_compile> huebi: andpcre is present there
[12:54] < praenti_compile> huebi: in stage 2 the build-system use its own libs and not the libs from /usr/lib, so i have not anymore the libpcre-lubs
[12:54] < praenti_compile> s/lubs/libs
[12:54] < praenti_compile> and this results in an error of a missing shared object
[12:55] < praenti_compile> huebi: this problem is only on system where pcre is installed like mine
[12:57] < praenti_compile> huebi: the only workaround i have is to mv /usr/lib/libpcre* /(any-directory outside ldlibrarypath) and then ldconfig
[12:57] < praenti_compile> huebi: then start the rock-compile
[12:57] < praenti_compile> ;-)
[13:02] < huebi> ah, ok ;-)
[13:03] < praenti_compile> huebi: i ask the grep maintainer, if we can get an option
[13:03] < praenti_compile> ;-)
[13:03] < huebi> kool ;-)
[13:15] < [anders]> god eftermiddag allihopa (morgon för dem det berör..)... *gäsp*
[13:15] < [anders]> moin huebi, thalerim & praenti_compile
[13:15] < thalerim> lol
[13:15] < thalerim> moin
[13:16] < [anders]> Well, CVS via SSH2 now working..
[13:16] < thalerim> morgon för dem det berör?
[13:16] < thalerim> before the bureau?
[13:16] < huebi> moin [anders]. nice to see you.
[13:17] < [anders]> no, 'berör' means loosely xlated 'relates to'
[13:17] < [anders]> moin huebi :)
[13:18] < thalerim> oups *g*
[13:19] < [anders]> thalerim: swedish isn't the easiest language to read if you don't know it, but I'd claim finnish is worse.. ;-)
[13:20] < thalerim> swedish is comparable easy to understand for a german. the history went from german to danish, and from danish to swedish
[13:20] < [anders]> now I need to figure out how SMP set up anonymous CVS/SSH access and implement that. I could do it via pserver, but that is probably a bad idea.. ;-)
[13:20] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I heared in finnish you're not forced how to spell a word.
[13:21] < thalerim> [anders]: there're germanic roots in swedish ...
[13:21] < thalerim> finnish has absolutely no roots in any language.
[13:21] < [anders]> huebi: the real problem is that finnish belongs to the finish-urgish language tree and swedish, english and german all belong to the latin language tree. there is no commonality between the two trees and so it becomes hard..
[13:21] < thalerim> same is with hungarian
[13:22] < [anders]> thalerim: finnish and hungarian are distantly related..
[13:22] < [anders]> iirc that is.. :)
[13:22] < thalerim> could be
[13:23] < [anders]> thalerim: if I had time I would not mind learning latin, but as time is not so available, I will probably never get to do it.
[13:23] < huebi> I know someone who 'wrote' a printer driver for an hunarian power plant via telephone. Not that easy with 23 "Umlaute'
[13:24] < [anders]> erk...
[13:25] < thalerim> [anders]: hehe... i am going to choose latin as a "leistungskurs" (mainn subject) for the "abitur" (somewhat like matriculation)
[13:25] < [anders]> There is really only åäöé in swedish..
[13:25] < thalerim> probably old greek as well as
[13:26] < [anders]> thalerim: you are going to learn latin? kool! once you know latin, you will find the other languages in western europe easier to learn.. :)
[13:26] < thalerim> [anders]: uh
[13:26] < thalerim> [anders]: i've bee nlearning latin since 5 years
[13:27] < thalerim> but in the german school system you must specify 3 subjects as leistungkurse
[13:28] < [anders]> thalerim: I don't know how the schools work in germany.. :-/ Hell, I don't even know how they work here in UK or how they work in Sweden now as it was about 10 years since I left school there..
[13:29] < [anders]> so if you have been doing latin for about five years, you should be able to read/write it reasonably easy by now.. ;-)
[13:29] < thalerim> no *g*
[13:29] < thalerim> latin is a dead language, that means you translate always texts from latin to german
[13:29] < praenti_compile> moin aszlig
[13:29] < thalerim> to discuss about them then
[13:30] < praenti_compile> moin [anders]
[13:30] < [anders]> morning praenti_compile :)
[13:30] < [anders]> thalerim: surely there are ways to resurrect latin as a spoken language?
[13:30] < praenti_compile> [anders]: have a little problems with my keyboard layout
[13:31] < [anders]> praenti_compile: don't tell me, you have a german layout kbd but you are using it with a dvorak kbd layout? ;-)
[13:31] < thalerim> [anders]: there is a yearly meeting in germany where all people speak latin only for 2-3 days or so
[13:31] < [anders]> thalerim: I could understand if people didn't try and resurrect gothic as a lanuage as there are little texts available about it and no alive speakers of it..
[13:31] < praenti_compile> [anders]: german layout but my Alt Gr does not work
[13:32] < thalerim> praenti_compile: ah, i had the same problem in X
[13:32] < [anders]> praenti_compile: aahh.. I have that problem in GnomeTerminal.. everywhere else it works..
[13:32] < praenti_compile> oh. i'm not the only one
[13:33] < praenti_compile> have you all the same error on the console
[13:33] < praenti_compile> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
[13:33] < praenti_compile> > Error: Can't find file "unknown" for geometry include
[13:33] < praenti_compile> > Exiting
[13:33] < praenti_compile> > Abandoning geometry file "default"
[13:33] < praenti_compile> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
[13:34] < praenti_compile> this is printed all the time i press alt gr
[13:34] < thalerim> [anders]: btw. 55% of the *normal* english vocabulary have their roots in latin. In papers by universities is about 70%
[13:34] < thalerim> praenti_compile: yes, had the same
[13:34] < thalerim> praenti_compile: see above there was a error message about a keymap
[13:35] < thalerim> i searched for this keymap and fixed a typo or something like that
[13:35] < praenti_compile> i dont see that. i have the problem since i copied my directories on my new hd
[13:35] thalerim has spent 2 whole days to discover this fscking error
[13:35] < praenti_compile> i think i have lost some rights
[13:35] < [anders]> thalerim: interesting.. I know most western languages are derived from latin one way or another..
[13:36] < thalerim> praenti_compile: always copy with the tar-liner, you know?
[13:37] < [anders]> thalerim: or use cpio.. cpio -p is always a good one..
[13:38] < thalerim> for small copies i just use cp -A ;)
[13:38] < [anders]> heh..
[13:38] < th> tar cf - foo | ( cd /target ; tar xfv - )
[13:38] < th> that's the way ;)
[13:38] < thalerim> yo. as i said
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[13:39] < thaly^pic> so now i must draw again
[13:39] < th> thaly^pic: i did that last two nights ;)
[13:39] < [anders]> th: I'd use 'tar cf - foo | ( cd /target ; tar xf - )' as it is quicker. No console output.. ;-)
[13:39] < th> [anders]: i like the output.
[13:40] < th> [anders]: that way i know that it's still running ;)
[13:40] < [anders]> th: depends how much you are copying I suppose..
[13:40] < th> [anders]: 106GB last two nights twice
[13:40] < thaly^pic> this will make framebuffer crawl ;)
[13:40] < [anders]> we regularly copy ~2.5GB at work over the network, and belive me, you don't want the console output then..
[13:40] < th> i put it into a screen
[13:41] < [anders]> it'll still slow it down.. :)
[13:41] < th> i don't look at the console output but when i'm interested in
[13:41] < th> depends on avrg filesize
[13:41] [anders] uses du -sk to find out if the copy is still running...
[13:41] < th> slows down performance too ;)
[13:42] < [anders]> but only when you run it.. ;-)
[13:42] < th> yes
[13:42] < th> problems arise when you don't have anough disc-space
[13:42] < [anders]> got to phone my parents now.. their 30th wedding anniversary today..
[13:42] < th> i had to move data from software raid to hardware raid on same drives
[13:43] < th> so i needed to swap it somewhere
[13:43] < th> somewhere else
[13:43] < th> tar cfz - foo | ( cd /target ; split -b1800m -) helps then
[13:43] < [anders]> heh
[13:44] < huebi> th: It get _really_ slow if you get the output to the normal SUN console.
[13:44] [anders] <- afk(phone, "a while");
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[13:44] < th> but CAD data is extremly compressable
[13:44] < th> huebi: yes
[13:44] < th> huebi: but as i said... it's an invisible screen
[13:45] < huebi> Or the old Digital OpenGL Consoles. Each letter is drawn in OpenGL.
[13:45] < th> hehe
[13:46] < th> ok need some sleep now...
[13:46] < huebi> th: a closed screen session should be as fast as without output.
[13:46] < huebi> th: sleep well ;-)
[13:46] < th> huebi: that's what i thought
[13:46] < huebi> th: how was the 3ware installation?
[13:46] < th> huebi: very well
[13:46] < th> huebi: no problems at all
[13:47] < th> well...
[13:47] < th> first lilo-try resulted in "LI"
[13:47] < th> i decided for grub without hesitating
[13:47] < th> no problems with it
[13:47] < huebi> ok
[13:47] < th> don't know why i even considered lilo ;)
[13:47] < huebi> I'm still thinking about such a controller...
[13:47] < th> perhaps because grub was not in the base as of rock-1.4.0
[13:48] < th> huebi: don't miss the cabling
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[13:48] < th> huebi: i still need 2 UDMA cables
[13:48] < th> huebi: had to take down 2 workstations
[13:48] < th> (to get their cables)
[13:48] < huebi> sold without cables as I saw...
[13:48] < th> huebi: need to get cabling till tomorrow morning
[13:48] < th> naja.
[13:49] < th> zum glueck ist ja ladenschluss hier aufgehoben und ich kann evtl. heute welche kaufen
[13:49] < huebi> ah gut. *g*
[13:49] < th> is bloss die frage welche laden sowas fuehrt
[13:50] < th> meine kleinen laeden haben natuerlich nich auf, wo ich sowas sonst kaufe
[13:50] < th> mediamarkt? saturn? karstadt? ich hab da so meine zweifel
[13:50] < th> naja die haben heute alle bis 1800h auf ich hab noch zeit und schlaf erstmal
[13:51] < th> die daten sind zumindest alle wieder aufm neuen hardware raid und jetzt auch noch 50% mehr kapazitaet durch umstellung von raid1+raid0 auf raid5
[13:51] < huebi> mediamarkt? saturn? <- die haben das
[13:51] < th> huebi: echt?
[13:51] < th> huebi: cool dann sollte mein problem geloest sein
[13:51] < th> dues ich nachher mal hin
[13:51] < huebi> aber zu horrenden Preisen.
[13:51] < th> is glaub ich dem kunden wurst ;)
[13:52] < th> solange die kabel von der qualitaet ok sind
[13:52] < huebi> Bleisolen in die Schuhe legen, sonst kippst du rueckwaerts um...
[13:52] < th> ohh ok
[13:52] < th> so nun aber zzZZzz
[13:52] < huebi> die Qualitaet ist immer gleich miess.
[13:53] < th> schoen das beruhigt ;)
[13:53] < thalerim> huebi: sach mal einen anständigen presi für ein 5m cross-over kabel
[13:53] < huebi> so, und jetzt schlaf gut
[13:53] < huebi> thalerim: 1,50 EUR
[13:53] < thalerim> kennt ihr vobis?
[13:54] < thalerim> da kostet das 11euro *lol*
[13:55] < huebi> In Mannheim gibt es einen Grosshaendler, bei dem kosten die normalen Kabel ungefaehr 1 EUR.
[13:55] < thalerim> mannheim ist hier 2h weg *g+
[13:56] < huebi> 30 -35 min
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[14:00] < thalerim> moin chris
[14:02] < chrisime> hallo
[14:02] < thalerim> das heißt 'moin'! ;)
[14:09] < chrisime> mir egal
[14:12] < thalerim> mim falschen fuß aufgestanden?
[14:14] huebi playing Quake2 again. 1st time since 18 Months
[14:19] < huebi> and all hardware, except the CPU, for the quake PC is recycled crap
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[14:25] < huebi> hmm. I need a to activeate the joystick...
[15:49] < rxr> e
[15:49] < rxr> s/e/re/
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[15:50] < owl> hi
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[15:57] < tsa> tag
[15:57] < rxr> hi tsa
[15:57] < tsa> hi rxr
[15:57] < owl> hi tsa
[15:59] < tsa> hm..
[15:59] < tsa> was tut das vektorprodukt?
[15:59] < snyke> existiern!
[15:59] < tsa> hm...
[16:00] < tsa> der ergebnis-vektor ist offenbar orthogonal zu den beiden anderen.
[16:00] < tsa> aber was ist mit der laenge? sagt die auch was aus?
[16:00] < snyke> hm.
[16:00] < snyke> das war eigentlich stoff der 8. kl. (letztes Jahr)
[16:00] < snyke> keine Ahnung.
[16:00] < snyke> es sind Ferien.
[16:00] < snyke> da weiss ich sowas ned
[16:00] < tsa> hehe
[16:05] < owl> weiss jemand ob und wie ich - hinter einem proxy - das download script der 1.7 zum laufen bekomme?
[16:07] < rxr> owl: man curl
[16:07] < rxr> ALL_PROXY
[16:07] < tsa> reoncoden im zweifelsfall.
[16:07] < rxr> Sets proxy server to use if no protocol-specific
[16:07] < rxr> proxy is set.
[16:07] < tsa> reincoden even
[16:07] < tsa> das curl-zeug kenn das bestimmt..
[16:07] < rxr> So ALL_PROXY="dein_proxy" ...
[16:07] < rxr> Should work (untested)
[16:07] < owl> ok. danke.
[16:07] < tsa> (auch wenn ich wget ja lieber mag..)
[16:08] < rxr> curl is maechtiger und sauberer ;-)
[16:11] < tsa> wget tut.
[16:12] < owl> was man (zumindest in meinem fall) von curl nicht behaupten kann...
[16:13] < rxr> tut das setzen von ALL_PROXY nicht ?
[16:14] < owl> noe. nicht so wirklich... meinen proxy empfaengt nicht mal...
[16:16] < th> also ich setze immer HTTP_PROXY und FTP_PROXY und dann nutzt Download ueber wget auch den proxy
[16:17] < owl> th: wget funktioniert ja auch problemlos... aber curl...
[16:17] < th> achso...
[16:18] < tsa> .oO( wget funktioniert so gut, deswegen nehmen wir jetzt curl.. )
[16:18] < owl> hehe ;)
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[16:23] < netcrow> where can i leech the newest version of rock?
[16:24] < netcrow> iso
[16:24] < tsa> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de
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[16:28] < owl> re
[16:28] < tsa> re owly
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[17:21] < praenti> huebi: da?
[17:23] < huebi> jo
[17:24] < praenti> huebi: das kernel problem liegt in unserem kernel-build-skript. in der chroot läuft das wenn ich manuell make dep clean bzImage mache
[17:24] < praenti> ich geh der sache mal auf den grund
[17:24] < huebi> praenti: ok
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[17:54] < rxr> hat jemand die ROCK-1.4 PowerPC ISOs rumliegen ?
[17:55] < praenti> huebi: linux.conf manuell geht auch
[17:57] < martin_> rxr: *g*
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[18:09] < owl> re
[18:10] < tsa> re owly
[18:10] < thalerim> ah owl...
[18:10] < thalerim> gester neinfach weg ... huh
[18:12] < owl> thalerim: *huestel* ja... ich war irgendwie -aehm - tot... --> eingeschlafen und irgendwann wurde einfach automatisch getrennt ...
[18:12] < martin_> cu
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[18:13] < thalerim> du solltest mehr kaffee machen *ggg*
[18:13] < owl> *thalerimschlkag*
[18:13] < thalerim> owl: wie auch immer, ich hatte gestern verbindugnsprobleme und hab die url nicht mitbekommen
[18:13] < owl> --> query
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[18:20] < thaly^shower> bbl
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[18:35] < esden> hi all
[18:35] < huebi> moin esden ;-)
[18:35] < owl> hi esden
[18:35] < tsa> hi esden
[18:36] < rxr> hi esden
[18:38] < esden> hi huebi owl tsa rxr
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[18:47] esden made a gkrellm theme ;-)
[18:47] < esden> fitting my lain theme ;-0
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[18:53] < owl> re
[18:53] < chrisime> jo nulll
[19:05] < tsa> re owly
[19:05] < tsa> :-P
[19:05] < huebi> hi tsa
[19:05] < tsa> jo.
[19:05] < tsa> huhu huebi
[19:05] < huebi> tsa: schon zum Testen gekommen?
[19:05] < tsa> noe..
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[19:06] tsa pruegelt sich grad mit mathe rum..
[19:06] < huebi> schzdoe...
[19:06] < tsa> testen ist nachher dran..
[19:06] < tsa> ;)
[19:06] < thalerim> re
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[19:31] < praenti> huebi: ich geb auf. ich kann da keinen fehler entdecken. wie gesagt manuell kann ich den kernel in der chroot übersetzen. Über das Build-All-Akript bekomme ich Fehler
[19:32] < tsa> wassn fuer fehler?
[19:37] < huebi> praenti: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload/ <- kannst du das build.log dort mal hinladen
[19:37] < huebi> ?
[19:41] < praenti> huebi: ok. mach ich
[19:41] < huebi> danke
[19:43] < esden> hi brand ... so nebenbei ;-)
[19:44] < praenti> hi esden. was heißt nebenbei?
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[19:45] < esden> ja weil ich dich erst jetzt gruesse ... ;-)
[19:45] < praenti> axo
[19:46] < esden> *g*
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[19:47] < owl> re
[19:47] < esden> re
[19:47] < praenti> huebi: den 3-linux.err liefer ich noch nach. schmeiß vorher meine modifikationen raus
[19:47] < huebi> jo
[19:49] < huebi> praenti: Warum gibst du denn schon nach einem halben Tag auf? Der Code ist doch so einfach und unmissverstaendlich... *fg*
[19:49] < tsa> lol
[19:50] < esden> huebi: er hat heine ausdauer ;-)
[19:50] < huebi> praenti: Wenn du dass Wort "Linux" lesen kannst, dann sollte dass doch ganz einfach sein. So zum aus dem Aermel zu schuetteln halt...
[19:51] < huebi> esden: hehe
[19:51] < esden> huebi: ist es auch ...
[19:52] < huebi> esden: na dann mach mal. *g*
[19:52] < esden> ich habe vor paar tagen mir die scripte von 1.7 durchgelesen ... ich habe mehr zeit mit lesen von manpages verbracht als mit scripte lesen ... aber ich habe zumindest was dazugelernt ;-)
[19:52] < esden> alles ist ganz einfach wenn man es kann
[19:52] < esden> ;-)
[19:52] < esden> ich kann es nicht ... ich lerne noch
[19:53] < esden> danach kann ich es immer noch nicht ... aber das ist ne andere sache
[19:53] < huebi> *LOL*
[19:53] < esden> eins was ich in den laetzten tagen gelernt habe ist das bash scripting super maechtig ist ... und scheiss kryptisch
[19:54] esden muss sich einen manpage implantat besorgen ;-)
[19:54] < huebi> esden: Dafuer gibt es den "Bash Scripting Guide". Der hat hier zum ausdrucken 'nen ganzen Baum gebraucht.
[19:56] < praenti> huebi: der code ist einnfach und unmissverständlich. ich versteh nur nicht warum über das Build-All ein asm-Fehler passiert, ob wohl beide male derselbe befehl benutzt wird
[19:56] < esden> uii ... wo kriege ich das ... ist es bei rock dabei ?
[19:56] < huebi> esden: moment
[19:56] < esden> oder muss ich es downloaden ?
[19:57] < praenti> huebi: wie gesagt, wenn ich manuell in die chroot reingehe und make bzImage ausführ compiliert er
[19:58] < praenti> und das widerspricht sämtlicher informatik-logik. ich geh im moment davon aus, dass ich was übersehen hab. ich finds halt bloß nicht ums verrecken
[19:59] < huebi> https://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[20:00] < esden> huebi: thanks
[20:00] < esden> !
[20:00] < praenti> bookmarked
[20:00] < esden> downloaded ;-)
[20:00] esden wird es sich reinziehen ;-)
[20:01] < huebi> Richtig kool. Sehr ausfuerlich und mit vielen Beispielen. Nichts fuer Profis! *g*
[20:01] esden muss auch awk und sed trainieren ;-)
[20:01] < praenti> bin dann wieder a bissal wech
[20:02] esden wird noch in der naechsten zeit ein rocklinux theme set erstellen ...
[20:02] < esden> mit gkrellm themes habe ich schon bissel erfahrung
[20:02] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/sed-tutorial.html
[20:02] < esden> huebi: freue dich ... blau auf schwarz ;-)
[20:02] < huebi> esden: Fuer Blinde! Argh!
[20:03] < huebi> *LOL*\
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[20:03] < esden> huebi: das tutorial ist zu kurz und zu unausfuehrlich ...
[20:03] < thalerim> an abs ist nur scheiße, dass man nie richtig weiß, was dazu gekommen ist *g+
[20:03] < esden> meiner meinung nach
[20:04] < thalerim> abs rockt
[20:04] < esden> hehe ;-)
[20:04] < thalerim> ich finde es sowie schwul, dass clifford manchmal perl und manchmal riesige awk dinger verwendet
[20:04] < thalerim> awk hab ich nämlich keinen blassen schimmer und werde auch partout meine finger davon lassen
[20:05] < esden> awk rult !
[20:05] < huebi> thalerim: awk ist immer da. perl braucht mehr an Umgebung
[20:05] esden ist kein awk profi ... aber ich habe damit bissel gespielt ... macht spass
[20:05] < huebi> esden: aACK
[20:06] < thalerim> awk suckt, weil man alles auch in reiner bash implementieren kann
[20:06] < rxr> thalerim: rofl
[20:06] < esden> aber ich finde das cliff endlich diese scheiss perl scripte lassen sollte ... denn perl ist viel schwerer auf allem moeglichen zum laufen zu bringen als awk
[20:06] < huebi> esden: ACK
[20:06] < esden> thalerim: ja ... ist ein argument
[20:07] esden kickt auto*
[20:07] < esden> dreckige perl scheisse >_<
[20:07] < huebi> directx
[20:07] < huebi> ups
[20:07] esden mag perl aber nicht wenn es so wichtig ist ...
[20:08] < esden> perl darf nie essenziell sein !
[20:08] < esden> wenn dann nur als feature ...
[20:08] < rxr> esden: ist es in 1.7 auch nicht mehr (IIRC)
[20:08] < esden> und das wan die in autoconf automake gemacht haben ist wirklich nur scheisse krank ... /me ist in mordlaune
[20:09] < thalerim> rxr: komisch, dass ich mich 1,5 jahre intensiv mit bash beschäftigt habe und nie awk benötigt habe ... huh
[20:09] < esden> rxr: doch ... wir benutzen in 1.7 immernoch perl
[20:09] < esden> fuer patcheserstellung ... das mus auch geaendert werden
[20:09] < thalerim> bash kann übrigens auch hash tables *g+
[20:09] esden hatte nen knarsch mit dem vor paar tagen
[20:09] < tsa> thalerim: ack - bash kann alles..
[20:10] tsa wartet nur noch auf bash/Tk ;)
[20:10] < esden> aja rxr da du schon da bist
[20:10] < thalerim> tsa: dafür gibt es gdialog
[20:10] < thalerim> allerdings gtk
[20:10] < thalerim> dialog rockt eh alles weg
[20:10] < esden> was hast du lieber ... das ich dir patches zu gkrellm* paketen gebe ... oder das ich diese uebernehme ?
[20:11] < esden> ich habe einieges da umgebaut und umsortiert ... weil es nicht sauber aufgeteilt war ...
[20:12] < esden> rxr ?
[20:15] < rxr> esden: erstmal ein patch
[20:16] < esden> kk
[20:16] < thalerim> in den herbstferien schau ich mir die scripts erstmal an ... und werd so einiges verbessern - zumindestens in einem 1.7er snapshot vor nem halben jahr oder so, konnte man überall ein wenig optimieren
[20:19] esden muss irgendwie besser seine zeit managen ... ich komme nicht zu allem was ich machen will
[20:20] < thalerim> lol, das kenn ich ;)
[20:21] esden ... will endlich seine idee dietlibc faehige pakete zu compilieren implementieren ... kommt aber nicht dazu
[20:21] < tsa> esden: hm...ganz einfach: du kommst her und erledigst all mein zeug, ich schau dir zu und analysiere das, danach kann ich dir sagen was du falsch machst..
[20:22] < esden> aha ... gut gut ... werde darauf zurueckkommen ;-)
[20:22] < thalerim> analysieren == "in den stuhl zurücklehnen, pizza essen, cola trinken und dem Dummen die Arbeit machen lassen"
[20:22] < tsa> thalerim: jo, sicher, was denn sonst?
[20:23] < esden> wenn meine idee korrekt ist kann ich dann diese include mess die zB. in gnome paketen ist endlich aus der welt schaffen ...
[20:23] < tsa> ...und das, was er falsch macht: sich zu leicht fuer anderer leute arbeit einspannen lassen ;-)))
[20:23] < tsa> esden: jajajaja! machen!
[20:23] < tsa> g2 ist chaos.
[20:23] < thalerim> kaos
[20:23] < esden> thalerim: FULL ACK
[20:24] < esden> ich mein tsa
[20:24] < esden> >_<
[20:24] < thalerim> im deutschen heißt es trotzdem chaos
[20:24] < tsa> ich wollte mir gnome2 mal ansehen, aber das ist so ein chaos, dass ich es lieber komplett selbst per hand gebaut habe..
[20:24] < thalerim> ichv ersuch die ganze ezit twin zum laufen zu bringen, das funzt aber auch ne :-/
[20:25] < tsa> laeuft mir trotzdem noch zu instabil..
[20:26] < thalerim> https://freshmeat.net/screenshots/10830/
[20:26] < thalerim> twin rockt
[20:26] < tsa> nett
[20:26] esden hat gestern ziemlich geflucht als er g2 scripte sich angeschaut hat ...
[20:27] < esden> es compiliert ... aber ist nicht wirklich schoen gemacht ...
[20:27] < esden> sozuzagen ein dirty quick hack ...
[20:27] < huebi> [anders] und Mike haben das komplett funktionierend in 1.5
[20:27] < thalerim> *applaus*
[20:27] < esden> naja ... ich werde schauen was ich machen kann wenn ich dietlibc pakete angepasst habe
[20:28] < esden> huebi: ich rede von 1.7 ... in dem momment ... ich habe noch nicht die g2 scripte von 1.5 gesehen ... deshalb kann ich mich da nicht aeussern
[20:28] < thalerim> kommt heut was im tv?
[20:29] < huebi> jo, werbung
[20:30] < esden> wie immer @ huebi
[20:30] < esden> ;-)
[20:32] < thalerim> mal wieder nur müll
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[20:40] < owl> re
[20:45] < tsa> re owly
[20:45] < tsa> :P
[20:45] < owl> ./ignore tsa
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[20:45] < tsa> nur zu..
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[20:46] < esden> ok ... cu all
[20:46] < huebi> cu esden ;-)
[20:46] esden be back hopefully with patches ;-)
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[21:05] < owl> re
[21:05] < thalerim> rele
[21:06] < thalerim> What's about the rocklinux sparc port?
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[21:14] < huebi> thalerim: What do you want to know?
[21:14] < thalerim> no idea, are there any major differences?
[21:15] < huebi> no
[21:16] < thalerim> okay
[21:16] < owl> huebi: is there a newer 1.5.1x-src*.tar.bz2 file available (newer than 1.5.12)??
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[21:17] < thalerim> oho... hoho with ipnG
[21:19] < huebi> owl: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/rock-src-1.5.18-2002-09-01.tar.bz2
[21:20] < owl> thx
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[21:29] < [anders]_> someone talking about me and Miguel and Gnome2? :) Yes, there is even an ISO available with ROCK 1.5.18 where Gnome 1.4 is replaced with Gnome2. Some things were removed that was too tied in to Gnome 1.4, but all in all, it works and most of what you need for a gnome 1.4 app to compile is already there..
[21:29] < praenti> huebi: ich schick dir jetzt den 3-linux.err
[21:29] < huebi> praenti: jo
[21:29] < praenti> huebi: willst ihn bziped
[21:30] < huebi> praenti: hauptsache egal ;-)
[21:31] < praenti> huebi: ist unterwegs
[21:31] < huebi> danke
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[21:39] < [anders]> moin
[21:39] < tsa> hi [anders]
[21:39] < huebi> hi [anders]
[21:39] < [anders]> hullo tsa, hullo huebi
[21:40] < [anders]> How are things? No signs of Mike1 yet? :)
[21:40] < huebi> no, no mike yet
[21:40] huebi playing quake2
[21:40] [anders] thinks there might have been a slight hiccup with the DSL link earlier today.. perhaps a short outage of sorts.. Ah well..
[21:41] < [anders]> in any case, there has been a google bot crawling all over the wiki today...
[21:43] < tsa> any new entries?
[21:43] < tsa> "google was here!"? ;)
[21:44] < [anders]> hehehehe.. no tsa, not quite.. but they did go through most of the pages and mapped them I guess..
[21:44] < [anders]> the log grew with quite a bit today..
[21:44] < tsa> hehe
[21:44] < tsa> ok
[21:45] tsa going to switch CRT's
[21:45] < tsa> bbl
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[21:49] < [anders2]> argh!!!!!
[21:50] < [anders2]> I wanted to unplug a usb cable from the back of the computer and instead unplugged the power cable...
[21:50] < [anders2]> fsck!!
[21:50] < [anders2]> to say the least..
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[21:53] < linuxrider> does anyone know if a .src.rpm is installed the same as .rpm
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[21:55] < tsa> uhm..
[21:55] < tsa> yess!
[21:55] < tsa> huebi: ibm p202 up and running.
[21:56] < huebi> tsa: nice *g*
[21:59] < tsa> feels like sitting in front of 2m^2 ;)
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[22:03] < huebi> tsa: attention! This is addictive
[22:04] < huebi> screen #0:
[22:04] < huebi> dimensions: 4800x1200 pixels (1206x302 millimeters)
[22:04] < huebi> resolution: 101x101 dots per inch
[22:04] < huebi> depths (1): 15
[22:04] < huebi> xdpyinfo
[22:05] < tsa> dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (433x347 millimeters)
[22:05] < tsa> ..
[22:05] < tsa> you're running it at 4800x1200 ??
[22:07] < huebi> tsa: Yes. 3 of them
[22:07] < tsa> hehe
[22:07] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/XF86Config
[22:08] < tsa> hehe
[22:09] < tsa> what does OPtions "DPMS" do?
[22:09] < tsa> Option even
[22:10] < huebi> Nothing on P202. I used it for the IIyama for powersaving
[22:10] < tsa> ah, i see
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[22:17] < owl> re
[22:18] < praenti> huebi: have you got the mails?
[22:27] < huebi> 3-linux.err.bz2 - I got it
[22:30] < tsa> back from some reallife testing
[22:30] < tsa> (unreal tournament on a 21" crt rulez!)
[22:31] < huebi> tsa: Q2 too :-))
[22:31] < tsa> hehe, sure
[22:31] < tsa> ..or q3a
[22:32] < tsa> ..or descent3
[22:32] < tsa> ..alpha centauri
[22:32] < huebi> *GGG*
[22:32] < tsa> ..wolfenstein3d
[22:32] < tsa> (test1)
[22:35] < th> ohh man. scheiss telekom
[22:35] < th> dfn-ticket 1877. peinlich peinlich (finger 1877@noc.dfn.de)
[22:36] < huebi> th: was bedeutet das?
[22:36] < th> huebi: dfn-trouble ticket
[22:36] < th> huebi: dfn trouble-ticket
[22:36] < th> huebi: kannste dir per finger angucken
[22:39] < huebi> T-Offline!
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[22:46] < tsa> Wussten Sie schon:
[22:46] < tsa> dass Pflaumenessen krank macht, wenn man nicht vorher den Baum von der
[22:46] < tsa> Pflaume entfernt?
[22:46] < tsa> aua...
[22:46] < owl> tsa: ????
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[22:46] < praenti> tsa: lol. was hast na den ausgegraben?
[22:46] < tsa> praenti: de.talk.jokes ..
[22:47] < owl> tsa: platter geht's immer, oder?
[22:47] < tsa> ach, sicher.
[22:47] < tsa> Wussten Sie schon:
[22:47] < tsa> dass es garnicht nett gemeint ist, wenn einem ein Folterknecht den Daumen
[22:47] < tsa> drueckt?
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[22:48] < tsa> Wussten Sie schon:
[22:48] < tsa> dass ein Blasebalg kein aufblasbarer Saeugling ist?
[22:48] owl schlaegt mit dem kopf gegen die wand vor verzweilfung
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[22:49] < praenti> tsa: langsam tuts weh
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[22:50] < tsa> praenti: indeed..
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[22:58] < [anders]> <- going to sleep... nighty nighty everybody.. Sleep well when you finally decide to crash.. ;-)
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[23:21] owl is away: I'm busy
[23:39] praenti goes slepping
[23:39] < praenti> gn8
[23:40] < tsa> cu praenti
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