-!- Irrsi  Log opened Thu Sep 05 00:00:30 2002
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[01:04] < tomik_> hell o
[01:04] < huebi> hi tomik_
[01:04] < tomik_> need help with alsa ;(
[01:05] < huebi> 0.9.0rc3?
[01:07] < tomik_> i have alsa support compiled in kernel (modules) and oss completely removed
[01:07] < tomik_> modules are loaded, i can see /dev/sound/dsp|mixer|audio
[01:07] < tomik_> but xmms doesn't play anything
[01:08] < huebi> can you test it with madplay or mpg123?
[01:08] < tomik_> or mplayer?
[01:08] < huebi> yes, or mplayer
[01:08] < tomik_> yeah, wait
[01:09] < tomik_> nothing :(
[01:10] < huebi> If you can play an audio cd the sound card should be initialised right
[01:11] < tomik_> sound card is ac97 coced (via8322blablah)
[01:12] < tomik_> PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:07.5
[01:12] < tomik_> Sep  5 01:02:15 iris kernel: PCI: Sharing IRQ 10 with 00:0a.0
[01:12] < huebi> tomik: I have no idea how to solve that.
[01:13] < tomik_> huebi: ok :(
[01:13] < tomik_> this is strange...
[01:14] < tomik_> maybe problem with alsa -> oss compatibilty
[01:15] < huebi> alsa is teh 2nd last broken pkg in 1.5
[01:15] < tomik_> i heaven't alsa package
[01:16] < tomik_> i see this in rock alsa.init ... alsactl?
[01:17] < tomik_> i'll check it
[01:20] < huebi> I downgrade alsa to version 0.9.0rc2 again. That did work IIRC
[01:20] < huebi> It's also not fixed in 1.7 (0.9.0rc3)
[01:20] < huebi> good night.
[01:21] < tomik_> ok, nite
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[05:44] < d3mian> hi all
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[06:00] < d3mian> ummm
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[07:59] < huebi> moin
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[09:14] < [anders]> meeeeow... morning everyone.. (/me @ work now)
[09:15] < [anders]> moin huebi
[09:16] < huebi> moin [anders] ;-)
[09:17] < huebi> Today I'm mostly on the linux* issue again. I also want to add a XFS-kernel
[09:17] < [anders]> If you put XFS in the kernel, can we have EXT3 switched on per default as well? :)
[09:18] < huebi> EXT3 will be switched of by default also if XFS is not added.
[09:19] < [anders]> arrf.. /me will have to make a script then that switches it on/off and include it in the build..
[09:20] < huebi> Arrg s/of/on/
[09:20] < [anders]> aahh.. :-D
[09:20] < [anders]> excellent! :)
[09:20] < huebi> *g* a little bit too early
[09:21] < huebi> There must be the choice for the file system I want to use, of course.
[09:24] < [anders]> Well, if ext3, ext2, XFS and JFS is available, people can choose.. :)
[09:25] < huebi> [anders]: and reiserfs (I don't like it because of the crappy fstools it has. I kicked RH in 2000 because they did not offerit)
[09:26] < [anders]> RFS is alright, I have been using it on LVM for about 1.5 years now, not a single problem..
[09:27] < [anders]> I agree though, the tools could do with a facelift. RFS 4.0 should be interesting though because of the plugin modules for things like encryption etc..
[09:30] < huebi> Yes, I read about that. I also have some very good experiencec with RFS.
[09:31] < [anders]> I suppose it depends what you use the filesystems for.. For the OS filesystems and ROCK build filesystems, ext3 or XFS might be the best choice. For a webserver filesystem, RFS could be the best..
[09:33] < huebi> [anders]: RFS is the best choice for a news server and perhaps for as ROCK build filesystems because of the many small files.
[09:33] < [anders]> huebi: so the NFS and RFS issues has been completely resolved now? There used to be problems if you exported RFS filesystems via NFS..
[09:35] < huebi> [anders]: I don't know. I use RFS on my NFS server for a long time now and had no problems at all
[09:35] < huebi> huebi@ella:~$ mount
[09:35] < huebi> /dev/md/0 on /home type reiserfs (rw)
[09:36] < huebi> RAID-0 below it
[09:37]   [anders] contemplating using the linux raid-5 code and then sticking LVM on top of that.. 1x100GB+3x80GB in a box.. 20GB of the 100GB disk for OS things like /usr, /var, / and /boot. Then raid-5 the other 80GB with the 3 other 80GB disks..
[09:38] < [anders]> that'd be a reasonably neat little setup, but perhaps a little too vulnerable if the 100GB disk dies..
[09:39] < [anders]> Could always use 2x20GB for OS etc, and 4x80GB for the rest.. but that requires a hefty PC case..
[09:40] < huebi> sounds nice. Make a backup of the 20GB for your system on a regular basis
[09:40] < [anders]> RAID-1 across the 2x20GB and RAID-5 across the 4x80GB.. Would probably become a nice little server (smb/smtp/nntp/wwwproxy) for a company if cfg'd correctly..
[09:41] < huebi> [anders]: For a company that's ok.
[09:41] < [anders]> Perhaps I should check with companies if they would be interested in such a server running Rock..
[09:41] < [anders]> and what they would pay for it, with and without support.. ;-)
[09:44] < huebi> get an other deliverer for the hardware, I mean don't sell it without having full support for the hardware from an other side. The best would be to make money with the installation and the support. But backup the hardware support. Hardware support just costs time and money.
[09:45] < huebi> By the box with 3 years support, sell it without support and make a support contract with the customer
[09:45] < [anders]> yeah.. I would have to get someone else to build the box to my specification.. Then I'd set it up with the OS and the RAID configuration. Then I'd go and install it at the customer..
[09:46] < [anders]> huebi: sneaky! But I like it! :)
[09:48] < huebi> I worked in a shop where it was done sometimes like this. But you can also sell the box with the warranty. The customer will come to you and wants you to fix it. They want to pay you for the support and you get the hardware replaced for nothing.
[09:53] < huebi> I just added nload to base
[09:53] < [anders]> huebi: Hmm.. I suppose what the customer wants is a single point of contact. They don't want to have to go to one place to get the hardware fixed, another for the webserver and a third if LVM goes kaputt..
[09:54] < huebi> [anders]: ACK. And there is the point you make money
[09:54] < huebi> Single point of service - hehe
[09:56] < [anders]> huebi: Yeah.. I have to think about it.. Perhaps if work does not continue here, I will think harder about it.. There is no money to be made on hardware at the moment, the money is in services..
[09:57] < [anders]> in fact, most of the money is probably to be made in keeping things just ticking over for the customer and picking the right things to implement for them. Customers get impressed by servers that doesn't go down , they just stand in a corner for a few years, then gets upgraded because the hardware is not quick enough..
[09:57] < [anders]> huebi: did you get anywhere with the Gnome2 ISO by the way?
[10:01] < huebi> [anders]: I burned the iso but now I'm very motivated to get samba and cups into base, too. Then I want to do something on linux and then I have the time to install the Gome2 iso
[10:02] < [anders]> huebi: okay.. If you do get cups into base, then read the notes on cups.org well, apperantly some things was removed from cups in version 1.1.15 and now updated ghostscript is needed..
[10:03] < [anders]> or something to that effect..
[10:03] < huebi> [anders]: A friend of mine sells accesories for Kawasaki  to Kawasaki Germany. After he leared chinese he gets the stuff for such low prices that nobody in Europe can make it for the same money.
[10:04] < [anders]> huebi: I am not learning chinese.. ;-)
[10:04] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I read (how is this written in past?) that before. And I like cups to be that easy.
[10:04] < [anders]> But I do get your point.. I bet your friend is having a good time.. :)
[10:05] < [anders]> 'read' is both present, past and future. It's pronounciation and context that tells you which one they mean..
[10:05] < huebi> [anders]: Not the really good times because he often makes too much money with it a gets disapointed customers.
[10:06] < [anders]> huebi: it is a fine line to walk with how much to charge customers..
[10:06] < huebi> [anders]: Thank you. I wrote a program to learn the irregular verbs about 22 years ago.
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[10:08] < [anders]> huebi: np... :)
[10:09]   [anders] is trying to figure out which defect out of about 35 is causing the debugger to fail.. the code is working, but the debugger cannot attach.. :-/ Strip defects until I get a working build is not the ideal solution, but the only one that I can get working right now..
[10:11] < huebi> [anders]: and you can find the line with a very sofisticated communication. And never say anything than the truth. Else better say nothing. If you still have a friend after you made the bussiness _and_ you made the money you wanted to make this was a good bussiness
[10:13] < [anders]> huebi: you are absolutely correct there my friend.. :)
[10:14] < huebi> [anders]: thank you. ;-)
[10:17] < huebi> [anders]: There is a modified, older version of ghostscript needed for cups. It seems to be easy
[10:19] < [anders]> good stuff.. if a backdated version of something is needed, can a comment be added in the .ps file to stop people updating to latest version ?
[10:24] < huebi> I thought about that, too because I often upgrade some packages after I have downgraded them by myself
[10:25] < huebi> I test a comment now
[10:27] < huebi> seems to work. great
[10:27] < [anders]> good stuff.. :) A warning in the .pz file is probably better than lots of comments in the .desc or .conf as few people read them..
[10:28] < huebi> ACK
[10:33]   [anders] <- afk due to work. starting to get somewhere with these blasted defect now..
[10:33] < huebi> *jumpsaround* Perfect!
[10:33] < huebi> [anders]: Have fun with it ;-)
[11:02] < huebi> Now it's time for PIZZA *g*
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[11:56] < rxr> hi clifford
[11:56] < clifford> hi rxr.
[11:57] < rxr> clifford: I start to do some "auto build depending packages and dependecies" work. Or do you have some of this already ?
[11:57] < clifford> no. but I thought already about generating a makefile from our dependency database. That should be very easy to implement.
[11:58] < rxr> urghs.
[11:58] < rxr> I thought about a normal ROCK-style build script that generates the list of packages and do a Build-Pkg for each.
[11:58] < rxr> why do you want to mess arround with Makefiles ?
[11:58] < clifford> (I also want to use auto-generated makefiles for analysing cross-dependencies since make generates warnings about them)
[12:00] < clifford> The idea is to tell make that e.g. /var/adm/packages/m4 depends on /var/adm/packages/gcc and /var/adm/packages/gcc is generated with ./scripts/Build-Pkg gcc.
[12:01] < rxr> hm
[12:01] < rxr> but why should we use another complex tool (in this case make) - when it can be done with a simple shell-script ?
[12:03] < clifford> I'd use awk for that. Shell has shown to be too slow for that.
[12:03] < clifford> (See ./scripts/Create-PkgQueue for an example)
[12:04] < huebi> hi
[12:04] < clifford> hi.
[12:04] < huebi> clifford: What is the difference in speed?
[12:05] < clifford> I don't remember. But if you don't optimize the code its about a minute agains a few seconds on my system.
[12:05] < huebi> ok
[12:05] < clifford> huebi: And you _don't_ want to read optimized shell code!
[12:06] < huebi> clifford: Yes, that's right. ;-)
[12:08] < rxr> clifford: I do a test implementation (for the build-dependencies and depending packages) in bash.
[12:08] < rxr> I can convert it into awk later ...
[12:10] < rxr> clifford: btw. Create-CD could be strated next week or so ...
[12:11] < clifford> that's good. I'll do a test-install of the current snapshot today using the old install disks.
[12:11] < clifford> I should have some time next week to continue my work on the new install disks.
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[12:50] < praenti> hoi
[12:50] < huebi> hi praenti
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[13:15] < thalerim> moin all
[13:16] < huebi> hi thalerim
[13:16] < thalerim> hey huebi ...
[13:16] -!- thalerim is now known as thaly^bwi
[13:16] < thaly^bwi> ich bin vorgestern zufällig auf der bwi seiteg landet, der geht noch bis 1. november
[13:17] < thaly^bwi> und in der zweiten Runde kann man ein Ibook gewinnen, deswegen mach ich da jetzt mit *g*
[13:17] < thaly^bwi> hab eine aufgabe schon am  selben tag gelöst ;)
[13:17] < huebi> thaly^bwi: Viel erfolg
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[13:41] < rxr> clifford: still here ?
[13:46] < rxr> most package depend on apache-vanilla in the last snap. Since the package seems to be removed from the sf tree - could you run a sed "s/ apache-vanilla//" over all the .cache files and release a new snap ? ;-)
[14:27] < clifford> rxr: yup. I'll remove that deps.
[14:30] < rxr> clifford: the deps still seem to be wrong in some packages.
[14:31] < rxr> I currently do a "Build "vim" and all dependencies of it" and it is qute a long list to build ...
[14:34] < clifford> yes I know.
[14:34] < clifford> that's what I try to explain all the time ..
[14:34] < rxr> what do you try to eplain? That we need to fix some packages ?
[14:35] < clifford> no - that almost every package depends on ~100 other packages.
[14:35] < rxr> wie meinst du das ?
[14:36] < clifford> kennst du scripts/dep_db.txt ?
[14:37] < rxr> ich kenne scripts/Check-Dep oder so ...
[14:37] < rxr> +s
[14:37] < rxr> When is the "scripts/dep_db.txt" generated ?
[14:37] < clifford> sieh' dir mal ./scripts/Create-DepDB an.
[14:38] < clifford> at the end of the reference build - using Create-DepDB
[14:38] < rxr> ah
[14:39] < clifford> the 3rd field is the number of packages which do depend directly or inderectly on this package.
[14:40] < clifford> It's used to determinate job priorities during a cluster build.
[14:40] < clifford> (to make sure that packages which are needed by many other packages are build earlier than other packages)
[14:41] < rxr> and the following package names are a direct copy of the ones in the .cache file ?
[14:41] < clifford> yes. to speed up Create-PkgQueue.
[14:41] < rxr> ah
[14:42] < clifford> (It's not exceptable to parse a few hundret *.cache file for every Create-PkgQueue run)
[14:43] < rxr> During my "Build all for vim" even this packages are build:
[14:43] < rxr> python
[14:43] < rxr> qt
[14:43] < rxr> readline
[14:43] < rxr> recode
[14:43] < rxr> rpm
[14:43] < rxr> sane-backends
[14:43] < rxr> sdl
[14:43] < rxr> nvidia
[14:43] < rxr> ogg-vorbis
[14:43] < rxr> openjade
[14:43] < rxr> ...
[14:43] < clifford> You do follow dependencies in the "wrong direction".
[14:43] < rxr> I'll check how this packages get into the "needed list" of my script ...
[14:43] < rxr> no !
[14:44] < clifford> read scripts/Create-DepDB.
[14:44] < rxr> I use the .cache file of vim - and recusively follow all its dependencies ...
[14:45] < clifford> yes. that's wrong.
[14:45] < rxr> huh ?
[14:45] < rxr> I do not want to build all that depends on "vim"
[14:45] < clifford> no.
[14:45] < rxr> I want to build all "that is needed by vim" ...
[14:45] < rxr> vim: 14529 0 apache-vanilla bash binutils diffutils emacs fileutils findutils gcc2 gdbm glib1 glibc gpm grep gtk+1 ld.so lesstif linux-src make man ncurses net-tools openssl perl5 python readline sed sh-utils sysfiles tar termcap textutils xemacs xfree86 zlib
[14:46] < rxr> ^- are the direct needs
[14:46] < rxr> And I also search all of the deps needed by the deps listed above ...
[14:46] < clifford> You want to build all packages which are built before the package you want to build in a build target and which are needed to build the package you want to build.
[14:49]   clifford is doing ./scripts/Create-AutoPatch 'sed "/^.DEP/ s/ apache-vanilla//"' package/*/*/*.cache
[14:51] < clifford> rxr: E.g. check the dependency list in package/base/perl5/perl5.cache
[14:52] < rxr> and ?
[14:52] < rxr> xine xpdf ...
[14:52] < clifford> Do you think perl realy does depend on 80 packages?
[14:52] < rxr> divx4linux esound
[14:52] < rxr> No!
[14:52] < rxr> Sure - we need to fix some packages ....
[14:53] < clifford> every package which depends on perl now depends on this 80 packages.
[14:53] < rxr> and perl5 might be the culprit that my "build vim" script build 200 packages ...
[14:53] < clifford> vim depends on perl.
[14:54] < rxr> clifford: do you think about switching to "hardcoded" deps - or do you think we can fix this packages to have correct dependencies ?
[14:54] < clifford> Every package which depends on perl depends on almost _every_ package on the system.
[14:54] < rolla> re
[14:54] < clifford> rxr: I'll be back in a few minutes ..
[14:54] < rxr> ok
[14:55] < rxr> But I
[14:55] < rxr> 'll leave at 16.15, too ...
[14:57] < rxr> hm - I removed the perl.cache file - but the list of packages needed for a vim build is not that much better - more packages have a rather full .cache file ...
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[15:42] < clifford> hi again.
[15:43] < rxr> hi
[15:43]   clifford reading your script.
[15:46] < clifford> rxr: please have a look at scripts/Create-UpdList for an example how to check if a package has been changed.
[15:46] < clifford> Look for "ROCK Linux Package Source Checksum"
[15:48] < clifford> besides that and the problem we talked about before I went ago your script looks ok for me.
[15:52] < clifford> rxr: Try that:
[15:52] < clifford> root@localhost:/rock-linux# mkdir depdemo ; cd depdemo
[15:52] < clifford> root@localhost:/rock-linux/depdemo# gawk -F "[: ]+" '{ $2=":"; $3=""; print; print "\ttouch " $1 "\n"; }' < ../scripts/dep_db.txt > Makefile
[15:52] < clifford> root@localhost:/rock-linux/depdemo# make vim
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[16:03] < rxr> clifford: I'll do more work this afternoon ...
[16:03] < rxr> thanks for your comments ...
[16:04] < rxr> cu
[16:04]   clifford hatte gerade einen sehr seltsamen anruf.
[16:04] < clifford> rxr: moment!
[16:04] < clifford> ich wollte dir noch was erklaeren:
[16:04] < clifford> noch da?
[16:05] < clifford> ... schade.
[16:05] < huebi> clifford: Merkwuerdiger Anruf?
[16:06] < clifford> Es hat mich grad jemand angerufen der wissen wollte ob meine Unterlagen zum BufferOverflow talk am letzten CCC online verfuegbar sind.
[16:06] < clifford> ..normalerweise schreibt man bei sowas doch ein mail?!
[16:07] < huebi> Hmmm. Wirklich merkwuerdig.
[16:07] < clifford> Naja - er war jedenfalls recht nett und ich hab' ihm natuerlich die URL gegeben.
[16:07] < clifford> schade das der rxr weg ist.
[16:07] < huebi> Anrufen ist dirkter, laesst den Gegenueber nicht so leicht nein sagen.
[16:09] < clifford> na wenn das so ist ..
[16:13] < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/page1.html
[16:21] < clifford> (huebi hat auch grad' 'nen merkwuerdigen anruf bekommen.  ;-)
[16:53] < chrisime> hi huebi
[16:53] < huebi> moin chrisime
[16:54] < chrisime> huebi: hast du nen konqueror?
[16:54] < chrisime> hab grad keinen installiert
[16:54] < huebi> jo
[16:55] < chrisime> ok
[16:55] < chrisime> browse mal www.gnome-de.org
[16:55] < chrisime> und sag ob das ding darstellungsfehler hat
[16:56] < chrisime> ich trau konqueror net
[16:56] < chrisime> da is opera besser
[16:56] < huebi> alles ok
[16:57] < chrisime> echt
[16:57] < chrisime> nn4 geht auf jeden fall nicht
[16:57] < chrisime> sollten da nen hinweis machen
[16:57] < chrisime> extensiver css-gebrauch
[16:57] < chrisime> schau mal alle seiten durch bitte
[16:57] < huebi> Noe, da habe ich wichtigeres zu tun.
[16:58]   huebi ist am alsa fixen
[16:58] < chrisime> alsa
[16:58] < chrisime> schon wieder kaputt>
[17:00] < huebi> 0.9.0rc3 geht nicht.
[17:00] < huebi> 0.9.0rc2 funktioniert
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[17:00] < owl> hi
[17:00] < huebi> moin owl
[17:00] < owl> hi huebi. wie geht's?
[17:00] < huebi> gut.
[17:00] < chrisime> huebi: so n mist
[17:01] < huebi> isdn4k-utils [v3.2p1 <- das noch fixen und 1.5.19 ist fertig
[17:07] < chrisime> was da neu dann
[17:07] < chrisime> bzw. 1.6 <-- wann (when it's done ;-) )
[17:10] < huebi> chrisime: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup <- all documented
[17:28] < d3mian> hi all
[17:29] < owl> hi d3mian
[17:29] < huebi> moin d3mian
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[17:39] < d3mian> wb owl
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[17:50] < d3mian> cya
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[20:07] < rolla> cd /win2
[20:08] < rolla> is 3.5G enough diskspace to bild rock 1.5.18 ? base+opt ?
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[21:18] < owl> re
[21:20] < rolla> re
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[21:29] < tsa> tag
[21:29] < owl> hi tsa
[21:31] < rolla> re tsa
[21:32] < tsa> hi owly, rolla
[21:46] < rolla> tsa : is 3.5G enough diskspace to build 1.5.18 base+opt ?
[21:46] < tsa> yes, should be ok.
[21:47] < rolla> okay :)
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[21:55] < _Tw33K__> im trying to install rock , but im having probelms, when i run the install shell and it starts it says no space on the device. i was thinking i messed up on the mounting...or maybe not turning the swapon for the swap parttition
[21:55] < _Tw33K__> i dont know how to turn the swapon
[21:55] < thaly^bwi> what have you done so far?
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[21:56] < _Tw33K__> i made a swap part, and a linux one
[21:56] < _Tw33K__> i have scsi btw, but it hasnt been a prob
[21:57] < rolla> did you mount them ?
[21:57] < _Tw33K__> well i mounted the cdrom to /src ?
[21:57] < thalerim> only one single partition?
[21:57] < _Tw33K__> i dont know how to mount the file systems
[21:58] < _Tw33K__> 2 partitions
[21:58] < thalerim> did you mkfs already?
[21:58] < _Tw33K__> no...ill see what i can do with that
[21:59] < thalerim> just run a mkfs <device>
[21:59] < thalerim> on all data-partitions (not the swap!)
[21:59] < _Tw33K__> ok
[22:00] < _Tw33K__> ok, it says the /dev/discs/disc1/disc is entire device, not just one partition, proceed ?
[22:01] < _Tw33K__> cuz i have 2, native & swap, so do them both ?
[22:01] < thalerim> no not disc, you must run it on the partition
[22:01] < _Tw33K__> how do i specify a partition
[22:01] < thalerim> e.g. /dev/scsi/bus0/host0/target0/lun0/part1
[22:02] < _Tw33K__> ohhhhh, got it...lemme see
[22:02] < thalerim> please verify ... i wrote it outta my memory
[22:03] < _Tw33K__> its, /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/part2, for mine
[22:03] < _Tw33K__> i have a dual channel scsi, so it also has a host1 w/ a plextor
[22:03] < _Tw33K__> ok, so let me see
[22:04] < thalerim> now you must mount it on /trg
[22:04] < thalerim> and maybe swapon the swap-partition
[22:06] < thalerim> please mount devfs and procfs to /trg/dev, or /trg/proc respectively, as well
[22:08] < _Tw33K__> ok, mounting it on /trg worked i think, the only thing in /trg is lost+found
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[22:08] < thalerim> that's ok
[22:08] < _Tw33K__> what are devfs and procfs
[22:09] < thalerim> speudo-filesystems
[22:09] < thalerim> mount none /trg/proc -t procfs
[22:09] < thalerim> mount none /trg/dev -t devfs
[22:09] < _Tw33K__> why none
[22:09] < _Tw33K__> cuz there is no dir ?
[22:10] < thalerim> dir is the /trg/{dev,proc}
[22:10] < thalerim> there's no device
[22:10] < _Tw33K__> oh. i see
[22:10] < thalerim> dunno if speudo is an english word, isn't itß
[22:10] < thalerim> ?
[22:10] < thalerim> speudo
[22:10] < _Tw33K__> im not sure
[22:10] < thalerim> pseudo
[22:11] < thalerim> arghs, damn keyboard
[22:11] < _Tw33K__> i have to make the /trg/proc dir first right ?
[22:11] < _Tw33K__> before i mount
[22:12] < thalerim> like procfs... it's not a reald filesystem that lays on a device. it's a layer for the kernel to store kernel, system and hardware related information
[22:12] < thalerim> yes, do so
[22:12] < rolla> _Tw33K__ have you read the INSTALL docs on the cd ?
[22:12] < _Tw33K__> yes, i have them printed infront of me
[22:12] < _Tw33K__> im moving along...slowly
[22:13] < _Tw33K__> it says, fs type procfs no supported by kernel
[22:14] < rolla> yeah it was the same for me when I first installed rock
[22:14] < thalerim> _Tw33K__: sorry, it must be mount none /trg/proc -t proc
[22:14] < _Tw33K__> nice
[22:14] < _Tw33K__> worked
[22:14] < thalerim> now devfs
[22:14] < _Tw33K__> rock on
[22:15] < _Tw33K__> now swapon right...
[22:15] < thalerim> yes ... then run the install programm. It has a nice menu driven package selector
[22:16]   thalerim hopes he didn't forget anything ...
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[22:18] < owl> re
[22:18] < thalerim> moin owl
[22:19] < owl> hi thalerim
[22:19] < _Tw33K__> it says, unable to find swap-space signature, invalid arg. , i checked the id and made sure it was part2
[22:19] < _Tw33K__> i didnt mkfs anything on the swap part though
[22:20] < thalerim> mh
[22:20] < thalerim> what fdisk type is it?
[22:22] < _Tw33K__> my, swap is, partition 2, with ID 82, linux swap
[22:22] < _Tw33K__> is that what u meant ?
[22:22] < rolla> did you do a mkswap and then swapon
[22:24] < thalerim> ah yeah .. that it's ... mkswap
[22:26] < _Tw33K__> well ill be damned
[22:26] < _Tw33K__> sorry guys, this is my first linux install, i dont know very commands, except the ones i look for in this book
[22:27] < rolla> no problem
[22:27] < term_emu> goodnight
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[22:28] < _Tw33K__> oh yeah !!! its installing
[22:29] < huebi> moin ;-)
[22:29] < huebi> _Tw33K__: congatulations
[22:29] < huebi> hi owl
[22:29] < huebi> tach tsa
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[22:30] < LocalHero> Hi everybody whaz up?
[22:30] < huebi> hi LocalHero
[22:31] < huebi> LocalHero: can I get a ssh account on iso.rocklinux.de? I want to upload a new iso tomorrow.
[22:32] < thalerim> huebi: will 1.5.19 include my menu-patch?
[22:33] < huebi> thalerim: Yes, of course
[22:34] < LocalHero> huebi, ahh great, some new isos :)
[22:35] < LocalHero> Wow, i have began to monitor the trafic on iso.rocklinux.de. Its fun to se that only this mounth i have transfered 32.72 GB
[22:36] < _Tw33K__> wow.
[22:37] < thalerim> LocalHero: you mean august?
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[22:38] < thalerim> re cliff
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[22:40] < _Tw33K__> mst = mountain standard time ?
[22:41] < _Tw33K__> whats , mst7mdt ?
[22:41] < LocalHero> thalerim, nope for september
[22:42] < thalerim> who the - is downloading all these isos ????
[22:42] < LocalHero> Hmm, does anybody have old EDO memory they want to get rid off? It would be nice with some more on the iso arcive :)
[22:43] < LocalHero> thalerim, well, look at oggy.lunds.lu.se and you get the stats, look at proftpd stats
[22:43] < LocalHero> thalerim, from all over the world :)
[22:43] < thalerim> i had to throw 16mb away 'cause it was defect.. i would have needed it as well... 32mb isn't very much at all
[22:44] < LocalHero> thalerim, well i have at least 48 :)
[22:45] < _Tw33K__> what is the GPM setup ?
[22:46] < thalerim> it'll configure gpm
[22:46] < thalerim> ;)
[22:46] < thalerim> with gpm you're able to use the mouse in the console
[22:46] < huebi> LocalHero: I'll have a look at my old RAM. But I think it's mostly FPM
[22:47] < _Tw33K__> um, my mouse is USB, it only has COM and  PS/2
[22:48] < _Tw33K__> is there a way around, or do i need a converter
[22:48] < LocalHero> huebi, hmm, maybe i should look for a new motherboard so that i get some more speed on the thing :)
[22:48] < LocalHero> upps that should have been to thalerim :)
[22:49] < thalerim> _Tw33K__: dunno if gpm supports usb mice.. you want to g00gle
[22:50] < LocalHero> huebi, oki, now you have some disc-space :)
[22:50] < LocalHero> huebi, and all the isos are marked so that you can change the description and all that
[22:51] < huebi> LocalHero: Many thanks for that ;-)
[22:51] < LocalHero> huebi, no problem, just want to help :)
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[22:52] < huebi> _Tw33K__: just enter in gpm configuration what you want. You should compile a new kernel for you system with usb support _before_ you reboot.
[22:55] < LocalHero> got to go, cya all
[22:55] < huebi> cu LocalHero
[22:55] < huebi> LocalHero: and many thanks for your effort
[22:55] < huebi> ;-)
[22:56] < _Tw33K__> whats the difference between lba32-mode & linear-mode ?
[22:56] < huebi> _Tw33K__: How big is you disk?
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[22:56] < _Tw33K__> 36gb
[22:56] < _Tw33K__> GB
[22:57] < huebi> _Tw33K__: you need lba32
[22:57] < _Tw33K__> what do they mean ?
[23:00] < huebi> _Tw33K__: read this: /usr/share/doc/packages/lilo/README /usr/share/doc/packages/lilo/doc/README
[23:01] < _Tw33K__> ok, does installing libsafe cause problems ?
[23:01] < huebi> I never used it.
[23:05] < _Tw33K__> what is ALSA ?
[23:05] < rolla> sounds stuff I belive
[23:05] < rolla> it is crap
[23:06] < huebi> _Tw33K__: https://www.alsa-project.org/
[23:07] < huebi> rolla: You asked a few hours befor how much diskspace you ned for 1.5.18 to compile. It measureg about 3750 MB
[23:07] < rolla> thanks huebi
[23:07] < _Tw33K__> thnx
[23:07] < tomik> huebi: problem with alsa solved
[23:07] < rolla> man that sucks I have 3725MB free
[23:07] < huebi> rolla: should be in the Build-All script
[23:07] < rolla> ;)
[23:08] < tomik> huebi: there is different pcm control behaviour
[23:08] < huebi> rolla: Could be enough. It was a little bit below 3750MB
[23:08] < huebi> hi tomik ;-)
[23:09] < rolla> I guess I will see
[23:09] < huebi> tomik: can you tell me more?
[23:09] < huebi> tomik: with alsa 0.9.0rc3?
[23:10] < tomik> huebi: try to run some mixer control utility and play around with volume setting
[23:11] < huebi> tomik: Ok, I'll do that later. I hope it's logarythmic and not linear as normal
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[23:15] < _Tw33K__> shit, i got stuck on the alsa-setup cuz it messed up the list, and i pressed ctr-z and it stopped the insall
[23:15] < _Tw33K__> do i have to start over all again ?
[23:15] < rolla> yup
[23:15] < huebi> no
[23:15] < rolla> welcome to the fun of alsa
[23:15] < huebi> rolla: *g*
[23:16] < huebi> _Tw33K__: chrtrg
[23:16] < rolla> I hate alsa
[23:16] < _Tw33K__> how do i continue the install
[23:16] < _Tw33K__> root@(none) ?
[23:16] < huebi> _Tw33K__: ctrl-c ; chrtrg
[23:17] < huebi> /etc/setup.d/general setup
[23:17] < _Tw33K__> ohhh,  nice thank you.
[23:20] < _Tw33K__> after language, fatal: file './CVS' is a dir
[23:20] < huebi> _Tw33K__: Ignore it, please
[23:20] < _Tw33K__> then goes to promp root@(none):/etc/setup.d
[23:20] < huebi> cat /etc/VERSION please
[23:21] < tsa> *gaehn*
[23:21] < _Tw33K__> 1.5.16 ia32
[23:21] < huebi> huhu tsa
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[23:21] < tsa> huhu huebi
[23:21] < huebi> _Tw33K__: it's fixed in 1.5.18
[23:21] < tsa> huebi: hm..will livingston keine kohle haben? /me hat immer noch keine rechnung.. ;)
[23:22] < huebi> tsa: hmm. no coffee
[23:22] < _Tw33K__> k, well i did the general setup already, so i dont have to do it again right...the one it messed up on was the alsa
[23:22] < tsa> huebi: ack.
[23:23] < huebi> tsa: doch, Ich kann nur nicht drucken. *g* Erst war der Drucker platt und heute Nachmittag habe ich erst CUPS-1.1.15 in Rocklinux integriert
[23:23] < tsa> hehe...
[23:23]   tsa ist mit lprng zufrieden..
[23:24] < huebi> _Tw33K__: just have a look in /etc/setup.d Yhere is also the alsa script.
[23:24] < _Tw33K__> im running it
[23:25] < huebi> tsa: I tried to configure lprng 3.8.10. It didn't work and I'm to lazy to read the docs. Cups do I know well.
[23:26] < tsa> hehe
[23:26] < _Tw33K__> ok...so just reboot afeter all that ?
[23:26] < huebi> _Tw33K__: have you compiled a USB aware kernel?
[23:27] < _Tw33K__> no
[23:27] < huebi> then your mouse won't work at all
[23:29] < _Tw33K__> could you point me in the right direction
[23:29] < huebi> _Tw33K__: how long do you use linux?
[23:30] < huebi> _Tw33K__: cd /usr/src/linux - as usual.
[23:30] < huebi> make menuconfig
[23:30] < huebi> choose the right configuration
[23:30] < huebi> make dep
[23:30] < huebi> make install
[23:30] < huebi> make modules
[23:31] < huebi> make modules_install
[23:31] < huebi> reboot
[23:31] < _Tw33K__> first time using linux on my computer
[23:31] < huebi> _Tw33K__: Ah. Ok ;-)
[23:32] < _Tw33K__> im fairly new, my friends tell me to put rock...i was gonna put redhat, lol
[23:32] < huebi> _Tw33K__: This will be a big help for you: https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Kernel-HOWTO.html
[23:32] < _Tw33K__> thanks
[23:34] < huebi> _Tw33K__: ROCK Linux is intended to be a distribution build kit for advanced users and sysadmins. When you start with allmost no knowledge it is quite hard to get it right.
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[23:35] < owl> hi
[23:35] < owl> huebi??
[23:35] < _Tw33K__> i was always told learn stick instead of automatic
[23:35] < thalerim> hops, hops ...
[23:35] < thalerim> @ owl
[23:35] < owl> thalerim: ???
[23:36] < huebi> owl:
[23:36] < huebi> ja?
[23:36] < thalerim> owl: du kommst ständig rein und raus gehopst ;)
[23:36] < huebi> _Tw33K__: Tha's very right IMHO
[23:37] < owl> huebi: i guess the ./scripts/Download --> ext-config has a problem...
[23:37] < owl> thalerim: ja. kann ich nix fuer... entweder mein X stuerzt ab und reisst mein system mit, oder mein X-chat stuerzt ab oder aber sonstiges.
[23:38] < huebi> _Tw33K__: RatHead, SuXe Mandrake have modified there distribution very badly. There is not very much Linux inside any more
[23:38] < huebi> owl: What does happen?
[23:39] < owl> huebi: join #trashhere --> i will post the output
[23:40] < thalerim> no
[23:40] < thalerim> go #aol
[23:40] < thalerim> *g*
[23:40] < huebi> thalerim: ack
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[23:43] < _Tw33K__> in make dep, what does dep stand for
[23:44] < tsa> dependencies ..
[23:45] < _Tw33K__> thnx
[23:47] < _Tw33K__> thanks guys for all the help...my friend wants his laptop back, heh
[23:48] < huebi> have fun _Tw33K__
[23:48] < huebi> _Tw33K__: you're welcome
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[23:55] < tsa> hm...
[23:55] < tsa> interesse und engagiert..das ist ne menge wert, wenn man mit rock anfangen will..
[23:59] < huebi> tsa: das stimmt
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