-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Sep 11 00:00:20 2002
[00:07] < martin_> gn8!
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[00:09] < Mike1> re litost
[00:10] < litost> re Mike1
[00:16] < zer0_o> n8 all
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[00:52] < Mike1> hi hackbard
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[00:58] < Mike1> re
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[01:31] < Mike1> re hackbard
[01:31] < hackbard> yo
[01:32] < hackbard> hi miguel
[01:32] < Mike1> how are you ?
[01:32] < hackbard> thnx, i am fine - how about you?
[01:32] < Mike1> wel...alive yet
[01:34] < hackbard> ohh, one could argue that's a big advantage :)
[01:35] < Mike1> hackbard: its been a while not talking to you
[01:36] < hackbard> yeah, i ve been away from the computer the last days ..
[01:57] < owl> some one still awake?
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[02:07] < hackbard> owl: yo
[02:08] < owl> hackbard: kennst du dich a) mit irda aus b) hast du eine ahnung wo ich fuer das ericsson t39m eine documentation ueber die hardware und sofware schnittstellen herbekommen kann, sodass ich fuer linux eine app schreiben kann, mit der ich auf z.b. telefonbuch zugreifen kann?
[02:21] < hackbard> sorry, kA
[02:22] < hackbard> habe erstens kein irda, zweitens ein siemens :)
[02:24] < owl> hackbard: hehe ;) ok. trotzdem danke ;)
[02:45] < owl> g8. cu
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[03:38] < litost> re Mike1
[03:38] < Mike1> hi litost
[03:39]   litost drinking beer
[03:40] < litost> and makin some isos ;)
[03:40] < litost> yep
[03:40] < Mike1> litost: my isos?
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[03:45] < Mike1> gutte nacht
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[09:08] < [anders]> meep
[09:08] < [anders]> good morning everyone.
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[09:23] < thalerim> moin all
[09:24] < [anders]> morning thalerim, wie gehts?
[09:24] < thalerim> moin [anders]. nicht so gut
[09:24] < [anders]> thalerim: why not?
[09:25] < thalerim> [anders]: i just come from the doctor and i got a dragging in my right leg... :-(
[09:26] < thalerim> yesterday on a soccer match
[09:26] < [anders]> thalerim: that does not sound too good. Hopefully it is nothing that can't heal on it's own with a bit of rest..
[09:27] < thalerim> no, i'm not allowed to do any sports in the next two weeks
[09:27] < thalerim> in three weeks i shall start with training but softly
[09:28] < [anders]> It could be what they here in england would call 'dead leg' where your muscle is hurt and inflamed...
[09:28] < thalerim> no, mom i look up what it means in english
[09:29] < thalerim> pulled muscle (muscle which has been strained)
[09:29] < [anders]> aahh.. okay.. Yes, rest will cure that..
[09:30] < thalerim> at least i needn't to go to school today ;-)
[09:30] < [anders]> heehehe..
[09:34]   thalerim is listening to Finntroll - Fodosagan
[09:35] < [anders]> thalerim: you quite like their music, don't you.. :)
[09:37] < thalerim> [anders]: i'm full of wrath... so i must hear something that rocks
[09:37] < [anders]> thalerim: I'll try not to irritate you today then... ;-)
[09:39]   thalerim oinks like a big evil orc
[09:40]   thalerim is listening to Children of Bodom - Hate me!
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[09:41] < thalerim> moin ede
[09:47] < [anders]> <- afk (work)
[09:48] < thalerim> oink
[10:11] < [anders]> hmmm.. plenty os Sparc64 fixes in 2.4.20-pre6 I see.. As well as M68k, PPC32 and USB fixes..
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[11:18] < bluefire> Moin
[11:18] < xlock> grr
[11:18] < xlock> tar: Warning: the -I option is not supported; perhaps you meant -j or -T?
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[11:22] < huebi> moin ;-)
[11:23] < huebi> xlock: Use the tar of 1.5.18 or .19. [anders] has fixed it to work with all known options for --use-compress-program=bzip2
[11:24] < praenti> moin
[11:24] < huebi> moin praenti ;-)
[11:25] < xlock> huebi: im just compilng drock-1.6.1-rc
[11:25] < xlock> ok, now my tar knows -I
[11:30] < xlock> ... redhat sucks
[11:30] < huebi> xlock: but RH has a very professional support.
[11:31] < xlock> huebi: support? whats support?
[11:32] < huebi> xlock: forget what I said, please.
[11:32] < xlock> *ring* "hello, my tar does not support -I, please help!"
[11:33] < xlock> ;-)
[11:33] < huebi> "Your support contract number, please."
[11:33] < xlock> houbi: tar (GNU tar) 1.13.25
[11:34] < xlock> ;-)
[11:34] < xlock> cp: cannot stat `boot-disk/boot-text.b': No such file or directory
[11:34] < th> moin
[11:34] < th> huebi: ENQ
[11:35] < th> xlock: use -j or -y
[11:35] < huebi> ok, xlock. We send you a fax, you sign that support contract and then we'll help you.
[11:35] < huebi> th: What meens "ENQ"?
[11:35] < xlock> by *klick*
[11:35] < th> huebi: enqueue?
[11:35] < th> huebi: nich mehr als'n ping
[11:35] < huebi> axo, danke
[11:35] < th> huebi: ein bug
[11:35] < xlock> th: 1. i do not want to use -j
[11:35] < huebi> moint th, btw
[11:36] < th> yepp. moin
[11:36] < th> huebi: ich hab ein bug gefunden :-)
[11:36] < xlock> th: 2. i already tried to fix all scrips using -j
[11:36] < xlock> th: 3. i failed
[11:36] < th> xlock: ack ack ack. i got it.
[11:37] < xlock> th: 4. i patched my (redhats) tar
[11:37] < th> --use-compress-program=bzip2 should do fine then
[11:37] < xlock> th: -I is ok either
[11:37] < xlock> ;-)
[11:37] < th> huebi: /usr/sbin/identd vs. `grep ident /etc/inetd.conf`
[11:39] < huebi> th: What do you mean?
[11:40] < th> huebi: what does that grep say for you on 1.5.x?
[11:40] < huebi> th: one moment. I change the OS now....
[11:40] < huebi> brb
[11:42] < xlock> do i really need kombo-disk.img?
[11:42] < th> xlock: no
[11:43] < xlock> th: tx ;-)
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[11:57] < huebi> re
[11:59] < huebi> th:
[11:59] < huebi> ident   stream  tcp wait   nobody /usr/sbin/in.identd  in.identd -w -e -t120
[12:05] < th> yes
[12:05] < th> huebi: and now do a "ls -l /usr/sbin/in.identd"
[12:05] < huebi> ls: /usr/sbin/in.identd: No such file or directory
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[12:06] < th> huebi: and that's the problem
[12:06] < huebi> /etc/inetd.conf should be fixed, I suppose
[12:06] < th> huebi: identd is present as /usr/sbin/identd
[12:06] < huebi> ack
[12:07] < hackbard> moin
[12:07] < th> huebi: yes. i agree. we should fix inetd.conf
[12:07] < huebi> huhu hackbard
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[12:08] < huebi> th: I fix it in a few moments. Or do you want to do that?
[12:08] < th> huebi: just fix it. it's not urgent ;)
[12:08] < huebi> th: ...but nasty.
[12:09] < th> huebi: i'm just working on my router here... had a strange outage last night
[12:09] < th> huebi: very nasty ;)
[12:09] < th> huebi: produces some weird loops
[12:09] < huebi> th: Thank you for the hint ;-)
[12:09] < th> huebi: just call me bughunter-1.5 ;-)
[12:09] < huebi> *gg*
[12:11] < huebi> (my back is getting better fast now. I was able to sleep for an hour this morning in my bed.)
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[12:11] < th> huebi: sounds good.
[12:12] < huebi> th: and it feels good. ;-))
[12:12] < th> huebi: ich hatte heute endlich mal wieder ne nacht ohne schmerzmittel. ging sogar halbwegs
[12:12] < th> ich schlucke so ungern schmerzmittel und so'n zeug
[12:13] < huebi> th: Ich auch nicht.
[12:13] < th> do i have to add a rule to INPUT if i have a rule in FORWARD already?
[12:14] < huebi> th: Das einzige was man nehmen kann, ist Aspirin, das ist gut genug erforscht. Maximal 10g am Tag, sonst streikt der Magen.
[12:15] < th> ich hab hier irgendein starkes mittel mit diclofenac-natrium bekommen.
[12:15] < th> die liste der nebenwirkungen ist sehr lang :-/
[12:15] < th> und danach trau ich mich nicht mehr auto zu fahren.
[12:16] < huebi> th: und genau da liegt das Problem...
[12:16] < th> die machen einen echt schlaefrig bzw. verwirrt
[12:17] < huebi> Opiate intravenoes sind das sicherste gegen Schmerzen, nehmen dir aber garantiert auch das Bewustsein. Also nur kurzfristig bei grosseren Verletzungen.
[12:18] < thalerim> ich hab mir gestern eine zerrung geholt :'-(
[12:19] < huebi> Ich war mit meinem Ruecken beim Heilpraktiker, der mich mit Akupunktur und homoeopatischen Mitteln Behandelt hat. Das ist wohl Nebenwirkungsfrei und sehr wirkungsvoll, wie ich jetzt festgestellt habe.
[12:21] < huebi> thalerim: Dann belaste den Muskel nur so stark, das es nicht weh tut, sonst kann das noch sehr viel schlimmer werden.
[12:21] < thalerim> ich muss jetzt erstmal zu meiner oma gehen *gg*
[12:22] < thalerim> huebi: ich hatte erst einen bänerris, dann größe knieprobleme und nuun ne zerrung
[12:22] < thalerim> huebi: mein rechtes bein ist ziemlich korrumpiert ;)
[12:23] -!- thalerim is now known as thaly^grandma
[12:23] < thaly^grandma> see you later
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[12:42] < huebi> th: cvs ci -m"inetd.conf fixed to use '/usr/sbin/identd' instaed of '/usr/sbin/in.identd'. All entries in /etc/inetd.conf are now commented out so that you need to enable each service explicitly."
[12:43] < th> s,instaed,instead, ;-)
[12:43] < huebi> th: ACk. Just saw it, too.
[12:43] < th> huebi: and good idea
[12:43] < th> (i mean commenting out all entries)
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[12:43] < th> some time ago telnet was disabled by default
[12:43] < th> that was ok
[12:48] < huebi> th: Rocklinux is for admins and experienced users (or users who want to become experienced fast). Rocklinux is secure by default, too. So if you want to enable a service you're forced to know what you do and you also must enable the services you want. Now inetd.conf is more in that style. (imagine starting inetd on CCC and your box is wide open to everyone who wants to have fun with it. ;-)
[12:48] < th> ack
[12:48] < th> huebi: i would even appreciate some DROP-default-policies for iptables in /etc/conf/network
[12:50] < huebi> th: If you have some ideas for it let's discuss it on the mailing list. I think, with good comments why what is done, even for firewall beginners it's a very good idea.
[12:52] < huebi> th: What do you think about an /etc/conf/firewall?
[12:52] < th> huebi: i just created one for me
[12:53] < th> i did that by /etc/init.d/firewall before...
[12:53] < th> but now that i'm restructuring things i decided for /etc/conf/firewall some minutes ago
[12:53] < th> /etc/conf/network runs that for me
[12:53] < huebi> koool
[12:54] < huebi> Very good. I thought the same.
[12:54] < huebi> if the network starts it _must_ call /etc/conf/firewall so you can't forget it in accident.
[12:55] < huebi> and it calls it immediatly.
[12:55] < th> it's called just before echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[12:56] < huebi> th: can you put some comments in it and send it to the mailing list?
[12:57] < th> it's very specific
[12:57] < th> to my network here
[12:58] < huebi> th: If you explain it it should work too.
[12:59]   huebi heard about a company in Offenbach spending 10 time more time in commenting than in coding. They produce medical computer controlled instruments for the US market.
[13:02] < xlock> huebi: no comment
[13:02] < xlock> ;-)
[13:03]   th is busy in packaging a gift for his girlfriend.
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[13:09] < guruz> hello
[13:09] < huebi> Can somebody help me with alsa? How do I get a /dev/sound/dsp?
[13:10] < th> anybody able to convince me to use alsa instead of kernel-modules
[13:10] < guruz> for doing a network install of DRocklinux, i have to download drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso, burn it boot int and run Net-Install ?
[13:11] < huebi> (there is only an alsa driver for this crappy on board sound chip)
[13:11] < huebi> guruz: I don't know. Ask rxr for that. He made drock
[13:12] < guruz> --- [rxr] idle 18:56:35
[13:12] < guruz> hm, i guess i just try
[13:12] < guruz> i just hope the network connection is fast enough 8not mine, but the server i download from)
[13:13] < huebi> guruz: rxr has a 256kbit upload link. (2MB/min)
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[13:14] < thalerim> re
[13:15] < huebi> huhu thalerim
[13:15] < huebi> brb...
[13:16] < thalerim> dito
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[13:16] < guruz> is ne2k-pci module included in the drocklinux installer cd?
[13:16] < guruz> or compiled in the kernel or whatever :)
[13:18] < huebi> guruz: I bet it isn't.
[13:18] < guruz> you're absolutetly sure? this would mean i cannot use the net installer, right?
[13:20] < huebi> I'm not sure but i think so.
[13:20] < guruz> sucks. well i will try it anyway.. bbl
[13:21] < huebi> cu guruz
[13:22] < xlock> [root@daytona drock-src-1.6.1-rc]# grep NE2 usr/src/kernel/.config-kernel
[13:22] < xlock> CONFIG_NE2K_PCI=y
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[13:24] < xlock> dann halt net...
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[13:51] < huruz> re
[13:52] < huruz> can anyone give me a URL of the net modules for 2.4.18 ?
[13:52] < huruz> well of the floppy image with them..
[13:52] < th> huebi: www.kernel.org?
[13:54] < huruz> i hve now running the installation of drocklinux and i desperately need this floppy
[13:55] < th> i don't know what floppy you are talking about
[13:55] < huruz> the one that drocklinux prompts for when you type "/sbin/modles"
[13:55] < huruz> you can pick between the scsi, pcmcia and net modules
[13:55] < th> oha. ask rxr then...
[13:56] < huruz> rxr wake up.. :/
[14:03] < huruz> i guess i got it
[14:03] < huruz> oh well
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[14:36] < th> hmmm /me is really confused about iptables
[14:45] < huruz> bah, that modules-disk.img does not work either..
[14:47] < huruz> anyone using kernel 2.4.18 and is able to dcc me ne2k-pci.o ?
[14:48] < huruz> or uploding it to ftp/http is fine too
[14:56] < huebi> huruz: moment...
[14:58] < huruz> ok
[15:01] < huruz> huebi?
[15:02] < huebi> huruz: jo?
[15:02] < huruz> wolltest du mir nich as modul schicken?!
[15:02] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/ne2k-pci.o
[15:03] < huebi> huruz: erst mal kompilieren war angesagt
[15:03] < huruz> ok dank
[15:05] < huruz> ok ich probiers mal
[15:05] < huruz> *running 2 floors up again*
[15:09] < huruz> oh well
[15:10] < huruz> it says nosuch device..
[15:10] < huruz> with debian it auto probed fine..
[15:10] < huebi> chip set?
[15:10] < huruz> well i guess i have to use another distro then :(
[15:10] < huruz> it`s with a realtek chip
[15:10] < huruz> but ne2k-pci worked on 2 pcs with debian ...
[15:10] < huebi> 8029?
[15:10] < huruz> i guess so..
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[15:11] < huebi> huruz: have a look which other modules where loaded on these other pc's
[15:12] < term_emu> huhu
[15:13] < thalerim> guess? verify it
[15:13] < huebi> huruz: lspci....
[15:13] < thalerim> ack
[15:15] < praenti> huebi: irgednwas stimmt mit unserem build-env nicht
[15:15] < praenti> ich hab schon wieder assembler errors
[15:15] < praenti> die in meinem system-env nicht auftreten
[15:16] < huebi> praenti: Was geht denn da ab? Ich habe hier leider ueberhaupt kein Problem damit.
[15:16] < thalerim> leider ;)
[15:17] < huebi> thalerim: Sonst waere das ja einfach nachvollzieh- und korrigierbar
[15:17] < praenti> huebi: is bei dir auch 2.4.19 einwandfrei durchgelaufen?
[15:17] < huruz> lspci ist nicht auf der boot cd :(
[15:17] < thalerim> ja
[15:17] < huruz> naja ich hab grad besuch bekommen ich probiers vieleich heut abend nochmal..
[15:17] < huruz> danke..
[15:17] < thalerim> huruz: cat /proc/pci
[15:17] < thalerim> have phun
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[15:18] < huebi> huruz: Ich meine mit debian. Ich kenne nicht die abhaengigkeiten vom ne2k_pci von anderen Modulen
[15:20] < huebi> brb.
[15:20] < praenti> huebi: hast du einen build mit 2.4.19 durchgekriegt?
[15:21]   praenti will wissen ob sein build-system ne macke hat ;-)
[15:21] < thalerim> ich kompilier meine kernel immer selbst
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[15:22] < praenti> thalerim: das mein ich nicht. ich mein den kernel, der vom Build-System gebaut wird, wenn du ein Rock baust
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[15:26] < huebi> praenti: Vollkommen problemlos
[15:28] < rolla> re
[15:28] < praenti> huebi: ich glaub ich saug mir mal die kompletten sourcen nochmal neu. vielleicht hilft das
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[15:28] < huebi> praenti: jo...
[15:30] < praenti> ok.co läuft schon mal
[15:31] < praenti> huebi: hast du standard gebaut oder reiserfs mit reingebaut?
[15:32] < thalerim> reiserfs will man nicht benutzen
[15:32] < huebi> praenti: standard.
[15:32] < thalerim> man will nur ext3 mit HTree benutzen
[15:32] < huebi> thalerim: Noe.
[15:32] < praenti> thalerim: wieso das denn?
[15:33]   praenti will UFS in Linux haben
[15:33] < thalerim> weil ext3 das einzige journal dateisystem ist, das 100% datensicherheit gewähleistet
[15:33] < thalerim> für linux
[15:33] < huebi> thalerim: LOOOL
[15:33] < praenti> ;-)
[15:33] < thalerim> das ist kein witz
[15:33] < huebi> Oops, world crashed on 2002-09-06 in the ext3 code:
[15:33] < huebi> Sep  6 20:40:06 world kernel: Assertion failure in __journal_file_buffer() at tr
[15:33] < huebi> ansaction.c:1937: "jh->b_transaction == transaction || jh->b_transaction == 0"
[15:33] < th> ufs? war das nicht irix?
[15:33] < huebi> $ uptime
[15:33] < huebi>   9:01pm  up 114 days,  3:25,  2 users,  load average: 47.64, 40.78, 24.88
[15:34] < huebi> xfs!
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[15:34] < praenti> th: freebsd is nicht journaling sondern transaction
[15:34] < Mike1> moin
[15:34] < huebi> moin Mike1
[15:34] < th> moin mike
[15:34] < Mike1> huebi: hi, how are you feeling today?
[15:34] < Mike1> hi th
[15:34] < praenti> ufs is the only transactions fs i know
[15:34] < praenti> hi miek
[15:34] < huebi> Mike1: Much better than yesterday.
[15:34] < Mike1> huebi: those are great news :)
[15:36] < huebi> Mike1: indeed ;-)))
[15:36] < Mike1> rxr: are you here?
[15:41] < rolla> Mike1
[15:41] < Mike1> rolla:
[15:41] < Mike1> :)
[15:41] < huebi> Mike1: /whois rxr - more than 21h idle
[15:41] < huebi> ;(
[15:42] < Mike1> huebi: mmm.... ok
[15:43] < Mike1> mm.. [anders] is away too :(
[15:55] < thalerim> is it possible to skip the fscking of a ext3 partition, since it's a journal fs
[15:55] < th> hmm
[15:56] < th> you should have 0 0 in your fstab
[15:56] < th> and tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/HDD
[15:57] < thalerim> well..
[15:57] < thalerim> what will happen on a crash then?
[15:57] < thalerim> Will the journal be recovered at all?
[15:57] < th> hmmm lemme think
[15:57] < th> i think you should not have 0 0 in your fstab
[15:58] < th> so just tune2fs
[15:59] < thalerim> this would still fsck the partition
[16:00] < th> it will run fsck
[16:00] < th> but it will not really fsck
[16:00] < thalerim> but?
[16:00] < th> but check if it's clean or replay
[16:00] < thalerim> replay???
[16:00] < xlock> thalerim: it will restore the journal
[16:01] < thalerim> okay. i trust you
[16:15] < rxr> re
[16:15] < Mike1> rxr:
[16:15] < Mike1> !!
[16:16] < rxr> clhi Mike1
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[17:00] < thalerim> moin LocalHero
[17:00]   thalerim is listening to Finntroll - Blodsälv
[17:01] < Mike1> god morgon LocalHero
[17:01] < LocalHero> Hallå hallå :)
[17:01] < Mike1> :)
[17:34] < thalerim> huebi: ?
[17:36] < thalerim> where are the most recent source-tarballs?
[17:38] < thalerim> ...
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[17:46] < thalerim> nice greeting
[17:46] < Mike1> hi Xanax
[17:46] < Xanax> Hi
[17:50] < th> hmmmm. https://cr.yp.to/ is down
[17:50] < rolla> that is no good
[17:52] < th> anyone able to give me alternate URL for https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/djbdns-1.05.tar.gz?
[17:53] < thalerim> google?
[17:56] < th> ftp://ftp.jp.qmail.org/qmail/djbdns-1.05.tar.gz ;-)
[17:56] < thalerim> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/
[17:56] < thalerim> i get a OOPS: chdir
[17:56] < thalerim> server-side oops, what's going on there?
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[18:08] < martin_> hi
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[18:25] < rxr> hi martin_
[18:28] < martin_> thanks for the new firewall skript
[18:30] < rxr> martin_: when will you try rock on your ibook ?
[18:31] < martin_> yesterday ;)
[18:33] < martin_> rxr: do you have compile it?
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[18:33] < owl> hi
[18:34] < rxr> martin_: I need to fix soem issues.
[18:34] < rxr> But a Stage 3-9 compile needs to be run on your ibook ...
[18:34] < rxr> anyway.
[18:35] < martin_> okay
[18:35] < rxr> do you alreadsy know if it is possible to resize your OS-X volume ?
[18:35] < martin_> yes :(
[18:38] < Mike1> hi owl
[18:38] < rolla> Owl
[18:39] < martin_> rxr: ähh, no. hmmm :(
[18:39] < owl> hi Mike1, rolla
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[19:04] < ripclaw> helo
[19:05] < ripclaw> status huebi ?
[19:05] < ripclaw> andreas, ich hab das papierzeug fertig, komme rueber.
[19:05] < ripclaw> cu,
[19:05] < ripclaw> stefan
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[19:54] < Mike1> re thalerim
[19:54] < owl> hi thalerim
[19:55] < thalerim> re all
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[19:56] < th> re
[19:57] < owl> re th
[20:03] < Mike1> re Tobias
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[20:07] < HiJacker> Mike1: Tá cheio aki hoje  !!!
[20:07] < HiJacker> Mike1: Hello !!!
[20:08] < HiJacker> Mike1: No RockLinux tem algum método de atualização  ???
[20:13]   Mike1 is away having lunch
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[21:56] < Be-El> hi ppl
[21:57] < owl> hi Be-El
[21:59] < Be-El> i've got some problems with the package dependencies in rock linux 1.7....some packages are broken due to the wrong build order
[21:59] < Be-El> is it possible to recreate the dependency database ?
[22:00] < thalerim> no idea... and no 1.7 developer seems seems to be present
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[22:34] < Mike1> Be-El: have a look at the [P] field on the package.desc modifing this you can define the package build order
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[22:35] < Mike1> Hola root
[22:35] < root> H!
[22:36] < root> H!
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[22:36] < tsa> tag
[22:38] < owl> hi tsa
[22:38] < Be-El> moin tsa
[22:38] < tsa> hi owl
[22:38] < tsa> moin Be-El
[22:38] < Mike1> hallo tsa! wie gehts?
[22:38] < Be-El> Mike1: hmm...no way to create the build order from the dependencies itself ?
[22:38] < tsa> hi Mike1
[22:39] < tsa> Be-El: 1.6 or 1.7?
[22:39] < tsa> s,6,5,
[22:39] < Mike1> Be-El: havent play around 1.7 for so long so i am not sure, but tsa can definitly help you more than i can regarding 1.7
[22:39] < Be-El> tsa: 1.7
[22:40] < tsa> Be-El: work in progress...it'll be possible later on, but currently you have to rely on the build order in the .desc files ..
[22:41] < Be-El> tsa: and the desc-files are broken....arts, xine-dvdnav
[22:41] < tsa> Be-El: just disable all kde stuff...kde is useless, anyway ;)
[22:42] < Be-El> *g*
[22:42] < tsa> make bugreport | mail -s bug maintainer
[22:43] < Be-El> and by the way...what does ldconfig -q do ? (except breaking the build for every package if i don't fix scripts/Build-Pkg) ;-)
[22:45] < tsa> quiet?
[22:46] < Be-El> /sbin/ldconfig: invalid option -- q
[22:46] < tsa> [root@azathoth ~]# /sbin/ldconfig -q
[22:46] < tsa> [root@azathoth ~]#
[22:46] < tsa> no problem here..
[22:46] < thalerim> different versions?
[22:47] < Be-El> ldconfig (GNU libc) 2.2.5
[22:47] < tsa> ld.so 1.9.9
[22:47] < tsa> /sbin/ldconfig is from ld.so
[22:48] < tsa> /usr/sbin/ldconfig is from glibc
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[22:49] < Be-El> hmm...perhabs someone should change this in Build-Pkg...it use /sbin/ldconfig
[22:49] < thalerim> Be-El: why is /usr/sbin before /sbin in your PATH ?
[22:49] < Be-El> thalerim: if [ $stagelevel -gt 2 -a -f /sbin/ldconfig ]
[22:49] < Be-El>         then /sbin/ldconfig ; fi
[22:49] < tsa> Be-El: /sbin/ldconfig is correct
[22:51] < tsa> seems like your ld.so is broken
[22:51] < thalerim> well... i am going off now
[22:51] < thalerim> gn8 all
[22:51] < tsa> cu thalerim
[22:51] < Be-El> cu thalerim
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[22:52] < Be-El> hmm....how does the build scripts maintain the libraries at all ? it doesn't use /etc/ld.so.conf or ldconfig -l /-n ?
[22:54] < tsa> Be-El: Build-Pkg _does_ use ldconfig
[22:54] < rxr> tsa: Have you already installed Solaris 9 ?
[22:54] < tsa> rxr: nope..
[22:55] < rxr> ah :-(
[22:55] < Be-El> tsa: but without setting up /etc/ld.so.conf
[22:58] < tsa> ld.so.conf is in the ld.so package, too..
[22:59] < tsa> see package/base/ld.so/ld.so.conf ..
[22:59] < Be-El> maybe....but the file is not available in the build root environment
[23:00] < martin_> gn8!
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[23:00] < tsa> the stages being built before chroot?
[23:01] < Be-El> yeap...as soon as the chroot is used build breaks...
[23:01] < Be-El> or (to be correct)..as soon as packages needs libraries which are not installed in /usr/lib....like the /usr/X11R6/lib stuff...;-)
[23:02] < tsa> hm...i didn't encounter this problem last time i tried...
[23:02] < Be-El> tsa: clean build ?
[23:02] < tsa> Be-El: yes.
[23:02] < Be-El> hmm...
[23:04] < tsa> i guess you have some software installed in "untypical" locations. the early stages before chrooting link against libs installed there because of your /etc/ld.so.conf...when the chroot() is actually entered, these locations are unreachable and therefore your build fails..
[23:05] < Be-El> /usr/X11R6/lib is no "untypical location" ;-)
[23:05] < tsa> anyway, this shouldn't happen since the chroot environment at that point should contain all the stuff needed
[23:05] < tsa> hehe..indeed.
[23:06] < Be-El> it _do_ contain all the stuff....but without any usable library setup
[23:07] < Be-El> adding /usr/X11R6/lib to ld.so.conf and running ldconfig in the chroot fixes the problem
[23:07] < Be-El> .oO ( and adding $GNOME1_PREFIX, $GNOME2_PREFIX and $KDE_PREFIX later.... )
[23:08] < tsa> hm...i'd suggest you add /usr/X11R6/lib to ld_so_inst() in package/base/ld.so/ld.so.conf
[23:09] < tsa> do you have a symlink /usr/X11 -> /usr/X11R6 in the chroot ?
[23:10] < Be-El> yeap
[23:10] < rxr> huebi: are you awake ?
[23:10] < tsa> rxr: hm...do you have any ideas?
[23:11] < tsa> /usr/X11/lib is in ld.so.conf within the chroot ..
[23:11] < tsa> so this should not happen
[23:12] < rxr> tsa: I have not follow the thread
[23:12] < rxr> I have other 1.7 problem and slowlaris install probs here ...
[23:12] < tsa> rxr: broken chroot in 1.7 build
[23:14] < rxr> no
[23:14] < Be-El> oh...got it
[23:14] < rxr> cliffords resoring broke many packages
[23:14] < tsa> aah.
[23:14] < rxr> and freetype brekas some more, too
[23:14] < Be-El> no ld.so.conf entry in config/default/packages
[23:14] < Be-El> rxr: it the freetype-config script....wrong prefix
[23:15] < rxr> Be-El: no
[23:15] < tsa> $ grep ld.so config/default/packages
[23:15] < tsa> X --2------9 990.905 base ld.so 1.9.9 / base/system 0
[23:15] < tsa> hm..
[23:15] < rolla> is there a good way to switch from ext to resierfs without having to reinstall everything ?
[23:16] < rxr> rolla: no.
[23:16] < rxr> rolla: backup reformat un-backup
[23:16] < tsa> rolla: prepare to move everything everywhere..
[23:16] < rxr> rolla: or reinstall ...
[23:16] < rolla> :)
[23:17] < tsa> foreach @partition { move $data $somewhere_else; umount; mkreiserfs; .... }
[23:18] < Be-El> grep ld config/default/packages
[23:18] < Be-El> X -----5---9 533.000 sourceforge htmldoc 1.8.20 / console/text 0
[23:18] < Be-El> X -----5---9 607.000 rene openldap 2.0.25 / libraries/databases 0
[23:18] < tsa> Be-El: scripts/Update-Src
[23:19] < Be-El> tsa: did it 1 hour ago
[23:21] < tsa> [root@azathoth /vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV]# ./scripts/Update-Src >/dev/null
[23:21] < tsa> [root@azathoth /vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV]# grep ld.so config/default/packages
[23:21] < tsa> X --2------9 990.905 base ld.so 1.9.9 / base/system 0
[23:22] < rxr> X ---3-----9 721.000 base ld.so 1.9.9 / base/system 0
[23:22] < rxr> ^- the actual one ...
[23:22] < rxr> Be-El: rerun Config ..
[23:22] < rxr> maybe you have disabled it somehow ...
[23:23] < Be-El> mom
[23:23] < rxr> tsa: you need to rerun Config to get a new packages ...
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[23:31] < Be-El> ok...remove config/default/*, run Update-Src, run Download, run Config, disabled minicom, tcpdump and xine-dvdnav....and still no ld.so.conf in the package list
[23:34] < tsa> hm..
[23:34] < tsa> you do have rsync installed, don't you? ;)
[23:34] < Be-El> yeap...build fails again due to ldconfig -q...so the Build-Pkg script was updated ;-)
[23:35] < tsa> hm..ok
[23:35]   owl is almost dead today.
[23:35] < owl> g8. cu
[23:35] < Be-El> does ld.so depend on tcpdump ? ;-)
[23:35] < Be-El> cu owl
[23:35] < tsa> cu owl
[23:35] < tsa> erhm...no ;-)
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[23:35] < rxr> Be-El: the  deps are not checked (AFAIK)
[23:40] < Be-El> Create-PkgList is building the right package file....
[23:45] < rolla> hey can I setup iptables to point the cvs port to another box on my network ?>
[23:45] < rolla> grr
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[23:48] < tsa> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $source -d $dest -p tcp --destination-port $port -j DNAT --to-destination $other_machine:$port
[23:49] < tsa> (untested)
[23:49] < rolla> thanks
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