-!- Irrsi  Log opened Tue Sep 24 00:00:13 2002
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[01:39] < demian> im tired, cya later
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[03:34] < EpA> Is it dangerous to allow direct ssh root login? instead of su'ing  in?
[03:35] < Ge0rG> its not dangerous, but it is less secure
[03:35] < EpA> Ge0rG: ok, why would it less secure?
[03:37] < EpA> *be
[03:38] < Ge0rG> with su the hacker needs to break two passwords, with direct root login only one
[03:38] < Ge0rG> (unless you use an exploitable sshd where the hacker can directly gain root access ;))
[03:38]   Ge0rG is going to bed now... it's 3:40am
[03:39] < EpA> Ge0rG with exploitable, you mean old versions.. right?
[03:39] < Ge0rG> yeah
[03:39] < EpA> Ge0rG: ok tnx
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[05:30] < demian> re
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[09:09] < demian> cool, i got it !
[09:09] < demian> nice
[09:09]   demian ruleZ
[09:09] < demian> ;-)
[09:12] < [anders]> morning alles.. rather a nice day today I would be inclined to say. Hope everyone has had a good sleep. :)
[09:13] < demian> hi [anders] , havent slept yet, but was a cool night ;-)
[09:17]   SMP swears
[09:20] < demian> im hungry and need to sleep, have a nice morning over there
[09:21]   SMP has slept 7 hours since Sunday
[09:39] < [anders]> demian: cheers matey, at work now and getting rather busy here.. :)
[09:39] < [anders]> SMP: you should go take a nap then..
[09:39] < [anders]> SMP: how did you do the anon cvs access via ssh? :)
[09:40] < SMP> read this https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.shar
[09:41] < SMP> get this https://world.cabal1.net/~stefanp/cvs-readonlyfs.patch
[09:42] < SMP> and I don't run the anoncvs server on "the real" repository
[09:42] < SMP> instead, I rsync it every some minutes into the chroot
[09:44] < praenti> moin
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[09:57] < [anders]> Hmm.. I am still tempted in using the pserver for anonymous access to the repository..
[09:57] < [anders]> especially if there is no passwd authentication when using it..
[10:08] < SMP> the basic procedure is equal for ssh and pserver
[10:12] < [anders]> mm.. Well, if I can provide RO access over ssh then perhaps I will not need the pserver.. I could do what others have done, create a special id_dsa / id_dsa.pub keypair and set ssh access up for a read-only account that way.. But that requires the users to actually know what they are doing with SSH.. not always the case I have noticed..
[10:12] < SMP> eh? anoncvs over ssh needs neither password nor keys
[10:16] < [anders]> when I searched the net for howto's for it, a lot of the people that have done it, have done it by creating a keypair and making one half available with instructions for how to install it etc..
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[10:23] < SMP> [anders]: this is needed if one wants to use command="cvs server" in authorized_keys and is superfluous with the anoncvs wrapper
[10:31] < [anders]> SMP: okidoki.. I'll try and open that shar archive and have a nose around in it.. I have bookmarked your patch as well.. :)
[10:43] < praenti> argh. i hate 2.4.19. i have no parallel port
[10:46] < [anders]> modprobe parport ? ;-)
[10:46]   [anders] is editing a 1.1MB patch by hand.. Timeconsuming is one word for it....
[10:47] < [anders]> I _really_ hate it when you get a patch that is patching a patch.. *urgh* It starts getting quite hard to read at that point...
[10:48] < praenti> [anders]: i have my /dev/parport/0. but with echo "test" > /dev/parport/0 nothing is happening
[10:48] < praenti> yes i have my parallel cable on the box ;-)
[10:49] < praenti> with 2.4.18 this is working
[10:50] < [anders]> praenti: uhm, what do you get in dmesg when you modprobe the module?
[10:51] < praenti> [anders]: not as module. this is in the kernel
[10:51] < [anders]> ah.. ok.. :)
[10:51] < [anders]> praenti: you haven't managed to switch on ACPI by any chance? :)
[10:51] < SMP> [anders]: https://freshmeat.net/projects/patchutils/
[10:51] < [anders]> SMP: the answer is BitKeeper, but I can not really justify it..
[10:52] < praenti> [anders]: why acpi? do you need a full working acpi?
[10:52] < SMP> [anders]: use OpenLogging ;)
[10:52] < [anders]> praenti: no, ACPI can screw things up..
[10:53] < [anders]> SMP: hehehe.. it is a shame BK is so expensive.. If it wasn't, more would probably use it..
[10:53] < praenti> [anders]: that was also my a thought from me. for examples i have problem with the nvidia drivers with intel-acpi patches
[10:53] < praenti> s/my/
[10:55] < praenti> [anders]: but 2.4.18 with intel-acpi patches worked
[10:55] < praenti> [anders]: and 2.4.19 is not a very good kernel
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[11:20] < barthel> moin, hi
[11:20] < barthel> sorry bad english :-/
[11:21] < th> "hi" was perfect english.
[11:22] < barthel> i've install rocklinux from cd-iso (1.5.19)... i read the FAQ, INSTALL, README and the GUIDE, but i can't rocklinux boot up. the kernel can't mount my root partition...
[11:23] < barthel> in lilo.conf: append="root=/dev/discs/disc0/part3"
[11:23] < th> change this
[11:23] < barthel> it's a problem with devfs... i don't know about devfs...
[11:23] < barthel> how
[11:24] < th> append="root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3"
[11:24] < th> and check existence of that device before
[11:24] < barthel> ;-) the drive is attached ;-)
[11:25] < th> i mean the device file
[11:25] < th> ls -l /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
[11:25] < barthel> how i say lilo to create new mb, if i boot from the rocklinux-iso ?
[11:25] < th> chroot
[11:25] < th> ok
[11:25] < th> so..
[11:25] < th> you booted from cd
[11:25] < barthel> in chroot is nothing in /dev
[11:26] < th> mount your / to /trg
[11:26] < barthel> yep
[11:27] < th> chroot then
[11:27] < th> chrtrg or such thing was an shorthand
[11:27] < barthel> yep with chrtrg
[11:27] < th> mount /dev
[11:27] < th> mount /proc
[11:27] < barthel> aha...
[11:27] < th> vi /etc/lilo.conf
[11:27] < th> do the changes
[11:27] < th> and run lilo again
[11:27] < barthel> moment... i have to switch my console ;-)
[11:31] < barthel> ok... successfully ;-)
[11:31] < th> umouny /dev
[11:31] < th> umouny /proc
[11:31] < th> sync
[11:31] < th> C-d
[11:31] < th> umount /trg
[11:31] < th> reboot
[11:31] < th> ;)
[11:32] < barthel> ;-) BEEP ;-) reboot...
[11:32] < th> cool ;)
[11:32] < th> barthel: this problem was a known problem once.
[11:33] < th> barthel: it was fixed and reappeared in 1.5.19
[11:33] < barthel> i have rocklinux 1.5.19...
[11:33] < th> barthel: what was the command you mounted /trg with before doing "Install"?
[11:33] < barthel> ok... maintenance console: ...
[11:33] < th> barthel: i know. you told that
[11:34] < barthel> mount /dev/discs/disc0/part3 /trg
[11:34] < th> that's the problem
[11:34] < th> where did you read to mount it as "/dev/discs/disc0/part3" ??
[11:34] < th> we need to fix that docu
[11:34] < th> or burn it
[11:35] < barthel> i thing i on of the INSTALL, README or so... i search for it... moment...
[11:35] < th> you needed to mount it as "/dev/ide/.../"
[11:38] < barthel> in ROCK Linux Guide... 5.3 Starting Install: #mount /dev/discs/disc0/part4 /trg ...
[11:39] < th> that's bad
[11:39] < th> ok thanks for that report
[11:40] < barthel> ok thank you for your fast help...
[11:40] < barthel> by from germany...
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[11:45] < SMP> /dev/discs/disc?/.... is supposed to work
[11:50] < th> SMP: not as a root for the kernel
[11:51] < th> have heard several reports about that
[11:52] < SMP> bullshit
[11:53] < SMP> it i supposed to work and it has worked for me forever
[11:53] < th> with 2.4.19-stefanp?
[11:55] < SMP> since 2.3
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[11:55] < th> SMP: i have to wait for a build to finish. then i'll test that
[11:58] < SMP> th: https://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/sendmail/sendmail.conf
[11:58] < th> ouhm
[11:58] < th> SMP: thanks
[11:58] < SMP> aeh
[11:59] < SMP> group- passwd- shadow- are missing
[11:59] < th> SMP: it's better in global conf or is required to be in global conf?
[11:59] < th> SMP: ack
[12:00] < th> asking because of extension packages.
[12:00] < th> i'm afraid i can't add something to global in conv from .ext file
[12:00] < SMP> well, it's better
[12:00] < th> s,conv,conf,
[12:01] < SMP> gee, the whole idea of using groupadd / useradd in sendmail.conf is just ill
[12:01] < SMP> anyway..
[12:01] < th> /etc/setup.d/XY-sendmail instead?
[12:02] < SMP> that's the preferred way
[12:02] < th> ok
[12:02] < th> i'll change that
[12:02] < SMP> does sendmail compile without smmsp user?
[12:02] < SMP> HELL!
[12:02] < th> ouhm
[12:03] < th> i'm not sure
[12:03] < SMP> that postcommit stuff really sucks ;-(
[12:03] < SMP> poor world
[12:03] < th> what sucks exactly?
[12:03] < th> ahh ok
[12:03] < th> yes
[12:04]   SMP feeding his changes in small chunks
[12:04] < SMP> (that makes it worse)
[12:04] < th> how can i Build-Pkg into another target?
[12:05] < SMP> huh?
[12:05] < SMP> what's a target?
[12:05] < th> i mean
[12:05] < th> ok. not "target"
[12:05] < th> target as of "/"
[12:05] < th> if i run Build-Pkg it installs the package into /
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[12:06] < SMP> th: you can't
[12:06] < barthel> hi ;-)
[12:06] < th> SMP: hmm.
[12:06] < th> SMP: i'd like to test sendmail build...
[12:07] < th> barthel:  hallo zurueck.
[12:07] < barthel> i've a problem to build cfengine...
[12:07] < barthel> hallo... ;-)
[12:08] < SMP> th: unpack rescue system, chroot into
[12:08] < th> SMP: yes
[12:09] < barthel> i've download via Doownload cfengine; Build-Pkg failed with: /usr/src/rock-src/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 6: B: command not found
[12:10] < SMP> AHHAAARHHH
[12:11]   SMP turns off postcommit cronjob
[12:15]   th now reboots with /dev/discs/... as root
[12:15] < th> SMP: it does NOT work
[12:15] < th> SMP: kernel panic. unable to mout rootfs
[12:16] < th> SMP: cannot open root device "discs/disc0/part2" or 00:0d
[12:16] < th> please append a correct root=
[12:17] < SMP> it does work if done right.
[12:18] < th> so how to do it right?
[12:18] < SMP> you used "append=root=/dev/discs/...", right?
[12:18] < th> ack
[12:18] < th> aehm
[12:18] < th> append="root=/dev/discs/...
[12:18] < SMP> well, yes
[12:19] < SMP> try typing that in at the lilo prompt
[12:19]   SMP suspects lilo wants to be super smart
[12:20] < th> lilo is just dumb ;)
[12:21] < praenti> barthel: where do you got your ext?
[12:22] < praenti> [anders]: now with 2.4.18 my parallel prot works...
[12:22] < barthel> i don't know... if Download log that ?
[12:23] < praenti> barthel: because in cvs there is a corrected version. the other thing you can do. vi cfengine.ext and delete the B
[12:23] < th> barthel: do a ./scripts/Update cfengine
[12:24] < barthel> if comment out the 'B' in cfengine.conf and the build was ok. thx
[12:24] < praenti> th: das B hat sich glaub ich bei mir reingeschummelt...
[12:24] < praenti> is aber schon lang wieder wech
[12:25] < barthel> wir können auch auf deutsch;-) liegt mir deutlich besser als englisch ;-)
[12:26] < praenti> barthel: wir haben aber auch ne menge nicht deutsch sprechende leute dabei. deshalb soll sich das in grenzen halten ;-)
[12:26] < barthel> ok ;-)
[12:27] < barthel> if möchte ihnen nur nicht mit meinem schlechten englisch weh tun :-)
[12:27] < th> barthel: tue ein ./scripts/Update cfengine
[12:27] < th> ;)
[12:27] < praenti> barthel: aber mit ein paar leuten kannst du deutsch reden
[12:27] < praenti> th: LOL
[12:29] < barthel> th: i tue that thx ;-)
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[12:34] < praenti> hi bluefire
[12:35] < bluefire> Hiho
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[13:28] < kasc_> moin
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[13:50] < armijn> re
[13:52] < armijn> 'llo
[13:54] < praenti> hi kasc_ and armijn
[13:55] < armijn> hi praenti
[13:56] < praenti> argh. hatschi. i'm a little ill today i think...
[13:56] < armijn> could be
[13:58] < praenti> in the future i should not go outside with wet hair when we have 10°C or lower...
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[14:21] < tcr> moin all
[14:22]   praenti away
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[14:24] < ichilton> Hi armijn :)
[14:24] < armijn> yo
[14:25] < ichilton> I logged onto irc.freenode.net and it said someone only had my nick...
[14:25] < armijn> depends on your nick
[14:25] < ichilton> then I realised it must be OPN which I was already connected to :)
[14:25] < armijn> ah, yes, it is
[14:25] < ichilton> the owner was me :-)
[14:25] < armijn> well, lucky you
[14:25] < armijn> :)
[14:26] < ichilton> Well, back to work - cya
[14:26] < armijn> same here :)
[14:41] < esden> hi all
[14:41] < armijn> hi esden
[14:43] < esden> hi armijn !
[14:54] < armijn> esden: will start on Alpha this weekend...
[14:59] < esden> cool ... sadly my alpha is to far away from me ... so I can not do anything on this subject :-(
[14:59] < armijn> well, actually I have to do it
[15:00] < esden> my poor natalie feels so lonely ...
[15:00] < armijn> a company gave me an alpha on loan and they want to see results
[15:00] < armijn> natalie? who's natalie/
[15:00] < esden> that is the name of may alpha ...
[15:00] < armijn> oh.
[15:01] < esden> armijn: that means that I will see patches from you ?
[15:01] < armijn> of course, you don't have a girlfriend...
[15:01] < armijn> esden: duh
[15:01] < esden> I do not have a girlfriend and it seems that it will not change in the near future .. :-(
[15:02] < armijn> heh
[15:03] < SMP> w00t, armijn
[15:04] < armijn> w00t?
[15:04] < esden> hi smp
[15:04] < SMP> armijn: https://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/w00t.html
[15:07] < armijn> ah, ok
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[15:08] < tcr> moin Ge0rG
[15:08] < Ge0rG> hiho
[15:09] < th> Ge0rG: guten morgen geburtstagskind :-)
[15:09] < th> *veg*
[15:10] < Ge0rG> hm... dem älterwerden kann man wohl nicht entkommen
[15:10] < armijn> what? GeOrG is a geburtstagskind?!?
[15:10] < Ge0rG> armijn: seems so.
[15:12] < esden> hi Ge0rG
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[15:12] < Ge0rG> hello esden
[15:13] < esden> hi th
[15:13] < esden> herzlichen glueckwunsch Ge0rG
[15:13] < th> hi esden
[15:13] < Ge0rG> esden: dankeschön :)
[15:13] < tcr> Ge0rG: wird heute noch gefeiert?
[15:14] < Ge0rG> tcr: aber nur in villariba ;)
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[15:26] < tcr> brb
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[15:33] < rolla> re
[15:33] < esden> re
[15:35] < barthel> re
[15:49]   armijn writing ROCK sparc64 install guide for the ROCK guide
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[15:52] < Mike1> moin
[15:53] < th> hi Mike1
[15:54] < Mike1> yo th :)
[15:54] < armijn> ok, rock sparc64 install guide rough beta finished
[15:56] < Mike1> armijn: URL?
[15:56] < armijn> mike1: no URL
[15:56] < Mike1> armijn: can you email it? /me wanna see it
[15:56] < Mike1> hi armijn BTW
[15:56] < armijn> yeah yeah first sending it to Pjotr for a review
[15:56] < armijn> hi Mike!
[15:56] < armijn> :)
[15:57] < Mike1> armijn: ok i will be waiting :)
[15:57] < armijn> mike@rocklinux.org right/
[15:58] < Mike1> armijn: ack
[15:58] < armijn> beware though, it doesn't work quite yet
[15:58] < armijn> still need to send in a few fixes to huebi
[15:59] < Mike1> yes
[15:59] < Mike1> New mail for mike@mail has arrived:
[15:59] < Mike1> ----
[15:59] < Mike1> From: Armijn Hemel <armijn@nl.linux.org>
[15:59] < Mike1> Subject: sparc guide
[15:59] < Mike1> Thanks
[15:59] < Mike1> :)
[16:00] < armijn> np
[16:02] < esden> hi Mike1 !
[16:02] < Mike1> esden !
[16:03] < armijn> ah well...one step closer to a real ROCK/sparc64 release
[16:04] < rolla> Mike
[16:04] < Mike1> yes rolla?
[16:04] < rolla> just saying hi :)
[16:04] < Mike1> armijn: yes i am _very_ happy to hear that, just read ur email to the RLML as well :)
[16:04] < Mike1> hi rolla :)
[16:04] < Mike1> how is the baby?
[16:05] < rolla> doing good
[16:11] < armijn> baby?
[16:12] < Mike1> armijn: he has become a father some weeks ago
[16:12] < armijn> oh. sorry to hear that
[16:12] < esden> rolla: poor boy ;-)
[16:13] < esden> hi rolla
[16:13] < armijn> yeah, if you need any professional help...
[16:13] < rolla> ;)
[16:14] < Mike1> armijn: i have a drinking problem could you give me some professional help?
[16:14] < armijn> well, you can send your booze to me
[16:15] < Mike1> armijn: no but my problem is i got 2 hands but only one mouth
[16:15] < Mike1> :PP
[16:17] < armijn> well...
[16:17] < armijn> 1 - take a knife
[16:17] < Mike1> no way ! :P
[16:17] < Mike1> i guess i will go for option 1
[16:18] < Mike1> send the booze to you :)
[16:21] < [anders]> Mike1: you might want to grab the rock-gnome2 tree now..
[16:22] < Mike1> cvs or rsync?
[16:22] < Mike1> hi [anders] :)
[16:22] < [anders]> cvs
[16:22] < [anders]> hullo Mike1  :)
[16:23] < armijn> mike1: btw, I'm not building the full 1.5.* stuff, just base packages. No optional or extension stuff
[16:23] < Mike1> ok i will download and mirror it at rollas server as well
[16:23] < Mike1> armijn: i know
[16:23] < [anders]> Mike1: ok.. :)
[16:23]   Mike1 cvs ...
[16:24] < [anders]> <- going to testdrive the Golf VR6 now..
[16:24] < rolla> :)
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[16:43] < armijn> blah
[16:46] < barthel> blubb
[16:48] < esden> cu all
[16:52] < armijn> blah
[16:52] < Mike1> bleh
[16:52] < barthel> bluh
[16:54]   Mike1 is extremly tired, he will for sure fall over the keyboard in any second
[16:54] < barthel> hi, i'm a debian user... i've install rocklinux 1.5.19 with select */* and install
[16:54] < barthel> that's a lot of packages...
[16:54] < Mike1> i better get some coffee
[16:55] < barthel> what is a minimum of packages, that have to install to setup a system step by step ?
[16:55] < armijn> if mike1 falls with his head on his keyboard, then we can find out how big his head is by the amount of keystrokes we see
[16:55] < barthel> sorry bad english ;-/
[16:56] < armijn> barthel: that's a lot of packages indeed...
[16:56]   Mike1 has got coffee
[16:56] < Mike1> armijn: i think you will have to wait a bit more to see it :)
[16:56] < Mike1> barthel: why dont you use the default selected packages
[16:57] < Mike1> thats not the minimal system but is close to it
[16:57] < armijn> pff, gnome is minimal, right
[16:58] < barthel> i go step by step with the install guide... they 'say' me: select */* and install
[16:58] < Mike1> barthel: yes but select */* select all packages of all categories
[16:59] < barthel> yes... thats overkill... which categories i need for a 'groundlevel'-system ?
[17:00] < armijn> mike1: he just needs the base packages
[17:00] < armijn> the ones tagged "base" in ./scripts/packages
[17:00] < Mike1> armijn: ack
[17:00] < barthel> i've seen some Repository's on rocklinux.de which was used by the Downloadscript ?
[17:01] < Mike1> armijn: but not in a 'groundlevel'-system, base sys is to big
[17:02] < barthel> 'groundlevel'-system -> running system with networking and a base to set up a 'clean' desktop...
[17:03] < armijn> mike1: "base" is pretty clean, if you leave out all the optional packages
[17:03] < armijn> hey, I never use the optional packages ;)
[17:04] < Mike1> armijn: yes i have noticed that, i guess that one of the facts for which you have not done much on 1.7 isnt it?
[17:04] < barthel> ok... is the category 'base' the same like the repository 'base' ?
[17:05] < demian> hi all
[17:05] < Mike1> hi demian
[17:06] < barthel> i'm fastidioused from dpkg in debian... ;-)
[17:07] < armijn> barthel: dpkg is evil
[17:07] < armijn> you might want to try "apt" though
[17:07]   Mike1 HAVE TO learn about dpkg :((
[17:08] < barthel> if i select f.e. x11/gnome-panel become i the dep. packages automat. ?
[17:09] < barthel> i like dpkg ! i not need a apt or what ever...
[17:09] < armijn> barthel: ehr....ehr....no
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[17:11] < barthel> ok... how i resolve the dep. ? have i know the needed packages before i build ?
[17:11] < barthel> ???ehr....???
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[17:12] < armijn> if you install the packages, then yes, you have to know it, unfortunately
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[17:13] < tcr> re
[17:15] < [anders]> <- back from testdriving a Golf VR6...
[17:15] < armijn> ah well, ROCK is nice for toying around
[17:15] < [anders]> <- will buy a Golf VR6 next month sometime..
[17:16] < barthel> that mean: i've to read the .cache and install each dep. ? f.e. for gnome-panel are 9x8=72 packages... that a hard work...
[17:18] < armijn> barthel: yes it is...
[17:18] < armijn> I'm not happy with that either
[17:18] < barthel> it's not possible to do this job, if i start the Downloadscript ?
[17:19] < armijn> ehr, I never do installs, I just build. Can someone help me out here?
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[17:25] < Mike1> barthel: what exactly do you want to do install or build?
[17:25] < Mike1> we run Download script for fetching the binaries to build a rock linux distribution
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[17:26] < Mike1> usually as armijn said with the base distro (./scripts/Download -base) would do the trick to get a stable and funtional enought system
[17:26] < barthel> i would build my own working desktop...
[17:27] < barthel> ok... is the category 'base' the same like the repository 'base' ?
[17:28] < Mike1> barthel: yes
[17:28] < barthel> if i would install a gnome with e as wm...
[17:28] < Mike1> actually ROCK Linux uses Gnome as the default wm
[17:28] < barthel> then i've to select x11/gnome* right ?
[17:29] < Mike1> yes
[17:29] < barthel> but gnome have a lot of deps...
[17:29] < Mike1> i know
[17:29] < Mike1> usually i select x11/* and then unselect x11/kde*
[17:29] < Mike1> or something like that which a lot more easi
[17:30] < Mike1> easy*
[17:30] < barthel> hhmmm... and the rest ?
[17:30] < Mike1> you could also run 'menu' on the rock linux install shell (if you are using 1.5.x)
[17:30] < Mike1> so you could make this in a more fancy - userfriendly way
[17:30] < demian> umm, instal_menu appears now different ?
[17:31] < tcr> yes :)
[17:31] < barthel> Mike1: how ?
[17:31] < demian> in 1.5.19 i got a red background with some C code in the foreground
[17:31] < tcr> demian: I did some changes on it, do you like it? :-)
[17:31] < Mike1> barthel: simply in stead of running 'select */*' as said on the ROCK Linux Guide
[17:31] < Mike1> run 'menu'
[17:32] < demian> yes, it changes, but.. some texts are not wrapped to fit in the box
[17:32] < Mike1> you will know what i mean when you do it
[17:32] < demian> but it's now cool
[17:32] < demian> btw..
[17:32] < tcr> demian: are not? oooh ... could you make a snapshot?
[17:32] < demian> there is a little and unsignificant bug in install_bin..
[17:32] < demian> when a package install fails..
[17:32] < Mike1> demian: yes?
[17:33] < demian> it wait 30sec and retry installing it
[17:33] < demian> if u cancel that install (CTRL-C as defined)
[17:33] < Mike1> yes thats true it is supposed to do that
[17:33] < demian> ..
[17:33] < demian> then, the packages-installed counter increase..
[17:33] < demian> so, at the end u get sth like:
[17:34] < barthel> Mike1: which binary start the Install shell ?
[17:34] < tcr> demian: will take a look, but first the miss-wrapping thing...
[17:34] < Mike1> barthel: Install.bin
[17:34] < demian> 100% (225/210)...........................xfree86
[17:35] < Mike1> if you boot from a rocklinux cdrom after you partition, format ur drive and mount de src and trg simply run Install it will bring the rock linux isntall shell for you
[17:35] < demian> tcr: it could be caused cause i was using some customized termcap with a disk rescue set i did, could this be caused cause of this ?
[17:35] < demian> ommit all those 'causes', seems i like 'cause' word :p
[17:35] < Mike1> demian: actually the counter increases during the retrying attempts not because of cancelling the installation of the broken package
[17:36] < tcr> demian: hmm.. dunno, where does this flaw appear?
[17:36] < demian> Mike1: also
[17:36] < tcr> Mike1: it's definely a bug
[17:36] < Mike1> demian: only on the retry not on the ctrl-c
[17:36] < Mike1> tcr: yes this bug has been around since 1.4
[17:36] < Mike1> i dont remember if it was on 1.2
[17:37] < tcr> should be fixed for 1.6
[17:37] < tcr> so i'll do it
[17:37] < demian> Mike1: well, yes
[17:37] < tcr> demian: hmm.. dunno, where does this flaw appear? <--
[17:37] < demian> cya later..
[17:37] < tcr> nonono!!!
[17:37] < demian> flaw ? what is flaw ?
[17:37] < tcr> error, fault ...
[17:37] < Mike1> tcr: excellent
[17:38] < demian> tcr: the badd wrap for text error ?
[17:38] < tcr> demian: where does the line appear that obviously isnt wrapped?
[17:38] < tcr> yes
[17:38] < demian> when u want to see the info for a package
[17:38] < tcr> mh
[17:38] < barthel> Mike1: ok thx... i would start a new adventure ;-)
[17:38] < tcr> demian: at the info page?
[17:38] < demian> when u press '?' i think
[17:38] < Mike1> barthel: sure have fun
[17:39] < demian> in the summary one too
[17:39] < barthel> thx...
[17:39] < demian> now, cya later. im in classes again
[17:39] < tcr> demian: when will you come back?
[17:39] < demian> 2 hours or so
[17:39] < tcr> okay, cu then
[17:40] < demian> tcr: i will try a snapshot if i can too
[17:40] < demian> bye!
[17:40] < Mike1> tcr: ur maintaing the install shell?
[17:40] < tcr> Mike1: no, it's being maintained ... clifford is going to write a complete new one based on dialog.
[17:40] < tcr> is is _not_ being maintained
[17:41] < tcr> it is _not_ being maintained
[17:41] < tcr> *brrr*
[17:41] < Mike1> tcr: ok
[17:41] < tcr> Mike1: this new one will float into 1.7, not 1.5 though
[17:42] < Mike1> tcr: i know but my main interest is in the 1.5 tree
[17:42] < tcr> Mike1: yes, that's why I modified the install menu ... for having a not-buggy menu for the 1.6 tree
[17:43]   Mike1 would like to have the multi-language install shell included for 1.6
[17:44] < tcr> well, that'd require utf-8 support
[17:45] < tcr> possible, but you'd have to find someone doing it ;)
[17:46]   Mike1 would work on it if approved
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[17:50] < _NULL> hi
[17:50] < Mike1> hi _NULL
[17:51] < _NULL> hi Mike1
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[17:54] < Mike1> 0_o
[17:54] < Mike1> hi zer0_o
[17:54] < zer0_o> hi Mike1 =)
[17:54] < zer0_o> whats going on ? =)
[17:55] < Mike1> nothing much there>
[17:55] < Mike1> ?
[17:56] < tcr> ???
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[17:56] < tcr> *g* ... hi zer0_o, NULL
[17:56]   tcr is listening to ASP - UnD Wir Tanzten
[17:56] < Mike1> tcr: do you like "ASP"?
[17:59] < tcr> "Das schönste lied schrieb ich nicht auf Papier, ich schrieb es in dein gesicht, mit den fingern siehst du mich, was mein mund dir hinterließ, schau auf deine haut und lies , such wo meine zunge war, such mein lied in deinem haar..."
[17:59] < zer0_o> hmm, here not too...
[17:59] < zer0_o> hi tcr
[17:59] < tcr> Mike1: i only know this song, but this song is wonderful!
[18:00] < _NULL> hi zer0_o
[18:00] < _NULL> hi tcr
[18:00] < zer0_o> hi _NULL
[18:01] < Mike1> tcr: i like "PHP" :P
[18:01] < _NULL> has some one a pill of caffeine for me? i'm almost dead.
[18:01] < tcr> Mike1: lol :P
[18:01]   _NULL sets zombie_style_enabled
[18:01] < zer0_o> i bought a php book today
[18:01] < zer0_o> =)
[18:02] < tcr> _NULL: get that song
[18:03] < _NULL> tcr: ok. url?
[18:03] < tcr> öh...
[18:03] < barthel> what for a book ?
[18:03] < _NULL> tcr: if you wanna have the "18 summers" album --> here ;P
[18:04] < tcr> the what?
[18:04] < _NULL> tcr: hehe ;) ok. your lazyness is impossible ... ;P no ftp? no http?
[18:04] < tcr> nope
[18:04] < _NULL> 18 summmers (artist also known as "silke bischoff")
[18:04] < tcr> ???
[18:04] < tcr> well ... mom
[18:04] < _NULL> tcr: you don't know silke bischoff? what?
[18:05] < tcr> i'm just a go
[18:05] < tcr> +d
[18:05] < _NULL> tcr: *g* just in your opinion...
[18:06] < tcr> _NULL: i'll misuse huebi's ftp
[18:06] < _NULL> tcr: oki. ;)
[18:06] < _NULL> thx a lot
[18:06] < tcr> there's a silke bischof song in upload/ ?
[18:07] < _NULL> hm? at huebi's ftp?
[18:07] < tcr> well, we need him to move the songs from upload/ away
[18:07] < tcr> so: huebi !!!!
[18:08] < _NULL> tcr: wait a second. i will restart my proxy. then you can leech it (oki. not leech - with ISDN speed != leeching) from my http
[18:08] < tcr> huh?
[18:08] < _NULL> tcr: oki. no problem. it's not important...
[18:08] < _NULL> brb
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[18:08] < tcr> i can upload to your http?
[18:10] < huebi> tcr: is passiert.
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[18:10] < tcr> hi huebi ... was?
[18:10] < tcr> moin LocalHero
[18:10] < Mike1> master huebi !
[18:11] < LocalHero> tcr, hi :)
[18:11] < Mike1> huebi: how are you ?
[18:11] < Mike1> LocalHero: hi there
[18:11] < huebi> hi all together ;-)
[18:11] < LocalHero> Mike1, hi, whazzup?
[18:11] < huebi> tcr: upload is moved to pub/mucis
[18:12] < huebi> Mike1: I'm fine and a little bit tired
[18:12] < Mike1> huebi: how you like to start merging some of the work done on the ROCK MultiLanguage project into the cvs tree?
[18:12] < tcr> huebi: nice, but uploading still takes 4mins
[18:13] < tcr> my upload
[18:13] < huebi> tcr: Use a 10MBit line
[18:14] < Mike1> huebi: i would like to start working a multilanguage install shell to get it included before releasing stable 1.6
[18:14] < Mike1> huebi: what do you think?
[18:14] < Mike1> LocalHero: nothing much just very very VERY tired
[18:14] < huebi> Mike1: Yes, do it, please. That would be great.
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[18:15] < _NULL> re
[18:15] < LocalHero> Mike1, well me to :).. Did you have time to get your isos?
[18:15] < Mike1> huebi: so far we will support English (default), Spanish, German, Portuguess, Polish... more will come
[18:15] < huebi> Mike1: Fantastic ;-))
[18:16] < Mike1> LocalHero: no not yet i am very busy developing stuff over here
[18:16] < LocalHero> Mike1, what about swedish? :)
[18:16] < Mike1> huebi: we will have the main documentation stuff and the install shell working on it
[18:16] < huebi> I want to get internet in my new flat today. But there is still much to do for that.
[18:17] < Mike1> LocalHero: if you would like to help us out and maintain the swedish yes we can do it
[18:17] < LocalHero> Mike1, sure :). But now i need to prepare for a party. Cya l8er. Contact me on what to do and i will fix it :)
[18:17] < Mike1> LocalHero: please read: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html
[18:17] < Mike1> LocalHero: ok
[18:17] < demian> re
[18:17] < Mike1> re demian
[18:18] < demian> um so lucky, didnt have classes ;-)
[18:18] < LocalHero> cya all
[18:18] < demian> cya alex
[18:18] < demian> tcr: u here ?
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[18:18] < Mike1> huebi: so i will start including docs and stuff during the next days :) including versions of the rock linux guide
[18:19] < huebi> Mike1: ack
[18:19] < tcr> demian: jap
[18:19]   Mike1 jumping around!!
[18:20] < rolla> why
[18:21] < ichilton> On the getting rock linux page, it says:
[18:21] < Mike1> rolla i have been allowed to go on and include stuff of the multilanguage project on the cvs tree (/me is the project leader so its a great feeling)
[18:21] < ichilton> If you build it yourself, you only need to download a single tar.bz2 containing the ROCK Linux sources. This archive contains our './scripts/Download' script which can be used to download the packages sources from one of our FTP mirrors.
[18:21] < ichilton> What is that files name?  I can't find it..
[18:22] < Mike1> ichilton: https://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
[18:22] < ichilton> oh, wait
[18:22] < ichilton> https://www1.rocklinux.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.7-200209202113.tar.bz2
[18:22] < ichilton> got it :)
[18:22] < ichilton> it's the mirrors that's the problem
[18:22] < ichilton> it says see the mirror lists and they take you off somewhere else to source trees with lists of packages
[18:23] < ichilton> Mike1: thanks
[18:23] < Mike1> hehe
[18:23] < Mike1> ichilton: you are wlecome
[18:23]   ichilton vanishes and downloads
[18:23] < demian> tcr: da u have install_bin code near ?
[18:24] < tcr> demian: could we talk in a quarter of an hour? i'm watchin tv at the moment
[18:24] < demian> k, no prob
[18:28] < tcr> huebi: have you the files in pub/music chmodded?
[18:29] < _NULL> hi huebi. how are you ?
[18:30] < tcr> demian: okay, be here now. but let me start my developing pc
[18:31] < demian> Mike1: u were right, counter is increased when fails, and decreased when ^c is pressed
[18:31] < demian> k
[18:31] < Mike1> demian: i know :)
[18:32] < demian> :)
[18:32] < Mike1> demian: so will you fix it?
[18:34] < tcr> Mike1: me does
[18:34] < demian> im seeing now the 'wrapped text' thing first
[18:34] < tcr> demian: mom
[18:34] < Mike1> tcr: execellent
[18:34] < demian> it is easy to fix, just add an 'c--' before print the error message, i guess
[18:35] < Mike1> btw where do i get the install shell code i need to start working around it
[18:35] < tcr> Mike1: i got it from Mike1, ask huebi -- he should have it
[18:35] < tcr> esden
[18:35] < demian> umm, base-config/install-disks/
[18:36] < Mike1> tcr: ok
[18:36] < Mike1> huebi: ?
[18:36] < demian> hehe, the face in the error message in taken from kernel sources for sparc ;-)
[18:37] < tcr> okay demian
[18:37] < tcr> the menu is now in front of me
[18:40] < demian> tcr: how can i compile the menu.c ?
[18:40] < tcr> is no make.sh provided?
[18:41] < demian> no, im using bas-config/install-disks/*.c
[18:41] < tcr> okay
[18:41] < demian> i can build install_bin.c, not menu.c :-(
[18:42] < tcr> gcc -o install_bin -Wall -Oß -lncurses -lreadline -DUSE_READLINE=1 -DUSE_MENU=1 -DROCKVER=\"1.5.19\" install_bin.c
[18:44] < demian> the letter after the -O option, what is it ? i see a ß, and this is not valid
[18:44] < demian> lemme prepare the install system..
[18:44] < tcr> 2
[18:45] < tcr> -O2
[18:45] < demian> k
[18:45] < tcr> ow, the help message in the selector is not wrapped properly
[18:45] < tcr> damn
[18:46] < tcr> a lot of misswrapping *grr*
[18:46] < demian> :p
[18:56] < tcr> hm
[18:57] < tcr> okay, the bug in the help menu should be fixed ...
[18:59] < demian> i think i saw some misswrappings in summary, help and some package-info boxes
[19:00] < tcr> help and package-info can i reproduce
[19:00] < tcr> help and package-info i can reproduce
[19:01] < demian> k
[19:01] < tcr> but i wonder about another weird bug in helpmenu
[19:02] < Mike1> praenti: awake?
[19:05] < rxr> hi Mike1
[19:05] < Mike1> hi rxr
[19:10] < _NULL> dammit! in munich there might will be snow tomorrow! and in pfaffenhofen it was said that there's snow already! i can't believe it! igitt!
[19:10] < tcr> what ???
[19:10] < tcr> i'll drive to oberammergau in a week
[19:11] < _NULL> tcr: what do you plan to do there? skiing?
[19:11] < tcr> no ... my parents want me to go with them
[19:12] < _NULL> have fun then. also in ingolstadt (about 80 - 100 km far away from munich in the north of munich) there were about 5 ° C...
[19:12] < tcr> i know ingoldstadt ... a good friend of mine is coming from eichstätt
[19:12] < _NULL> tcr: *gg* take your ski with you... and enjoy the snow... ;P
[19:12] < Mike1> my town is about 27C today i dont think it will snow today :PPP
[19:12] < demian> what is supposed to be $STRIP variable ?
[19:12] < _NULL> hehe ;)
[19:13] < Mike1> demian: ask _NULL
[19:13] < _NULL> Mike1: wuah. you can be really lucky...
[19:13] < Mike1> _NULL: i know :)
[19:13] < demian> _NULL: da u know what is the STRIP variable for ?
[19:13] < _NULL> demian: i dunno.
[19:13] < Mike1> *STRIP* *STRIP* *STRIP*
[19:13] < _NULL> might you should ask Mike1...
[19:14] < demian> this is used in install-disk.conf for STRIPTOOL
[19:14] < Mike1> *g
[19:14] < _NULL> *grml*
[19:14] < Mike1> _NULL: i will not STRIP :P
[19:14]   _NULL not too
[19:14] < demian> i think should be a list of variables used
[19:14] < demian> this make things easier
[19:15]   Mike1 on the phone
[19:15]   Mike1 needs huebi btw
[19:15] < demian> im using STRIP=strip
[19:17] < _NULL> dammit. in ZDF is a report about snow in germany...
[19:19] < rolla> Owl
[19:19] < _NULL> rolla: ??
[19:19] < _NULL> hi
[19:21] < rolla> :)
[19:24] < demian> ok, nice
[19:24] < demian> cya later
[19:40] < blindcoder> hi all
[19:40] < blindcoder> Who is do blam for /etc/cron.d/20-logrotate ??
[19:40] < blindcoder> to blame
[19:40] < blindcoder> dammit... need... sleep... or... coffee...
[19:41] < _NULL> hi blindy
[19:42] < blindcoder> sers nully :)
[19:43] < _NULL> :PPP
[19:44] < Mike1> yo blindcoder
[19:45] < blindcoder> hi Mike1
[19:46] < blindcoder> Mike1: does your XFree die when SIGHUP'd
[19:46] < blindcoder> ?
[19:46] < Mike1> blindcoder: dont think so why?
[19:47] < blindcoder> mine does, and as such it is killed every night by /etc/cron.d/20-logrotate
[19:48] < Mike1> lol
[19:48] < Mike1> 20-logrotate i have not pyed attention to it , me looking at it
[19:49] < blindcoder> short: if a log file is >4MB it rotates it and SIGHUPs the processes taht use it
[19:51] < Mike1> mmm... thought ur xfree shouldnt die, it should be just restarted
[19:51] < Mike1> perhaps you could modify it or even remove it if you dont like / want it
[19:51] < blindcoder> well, that's just as annoying if ou have several dozen windows open and the screen just locked
[19:51] < tcr> aaah!! fixed this damn help_box bug!
[19:52] < Mike1> tcr: GOOD!
[19:52] < blindcoder> I've temporarily removed it, but am searching for the cause of the problem
[19:52] < Mike1> oh damn coffee is no longer working for me
[19:52] < Mike1> sleep is to powerfull to contain it by now
[19:53] < Mike1> but i must stay awake
[19:53] < Mike1> dunno how but have to
[19:53] < tcr> blindcoder: maybe setting xfree to verbose and see when it dies
[19:54] < tcr> iirc it produces entries like ..time.. received SIGHUP... or so
[19:54] < blindcoder> tcr: hmm... with an initial logfile of 4.7MB I wondered if it wasn't already in verbose... I'll try -loglevel then
[19:55]   tcr is listening to Cruachan - Ó Ró Sé Do Bheatha Bhaile
[19:55] < tcr> hm
[19:55] < tcr> ??? what the -
[19:56] < blindcoder> hmm... it may also be the new configuration... it does this only since I switched from one monitor using the nvidia-driver to a dual-mon-setup with "nv" and "tdfx"...
[19:59]   Mike1 is away: having lunch
[19:59] < tcr> blindcoder: what happens without these moduls?
[20:00] < tcr> blindcoder: you could use the vga (or vesa?) driver instead
[20:00] < blindcoder> the logfile is only some kB big instead of 4.7MB :)
[20:01] < blindcoder> hmm... *writes that down* I'll give it a try during the weekend
[20:02] < blindcoder> okay, I'm off again... bye and thanks
[20:02] < tcr> mach's gut
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[20:05] < LocalHero> Hi all :)
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[20:18] < tcr> gonna reconnect
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[20:23] < rolla> !seen fake
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[20:33] < rolla> what happen to the mirror list for 1.7 ???
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[20:57] < rolla> anybody out there ?
[20:58] < _NULL> re
[21:00]   Mike1 is back (gone 01:01:42)
[21:01] < rolla> Owl you know what happened to the Mirror list from 1.7 CVS ?
[21:01] < Mike1> rolla: ???
[21:01] < _NULL> rolla: sorry. no. i 'm not using 1.7
[21:01] < rolla> maisenhe@bohr:/build/rock-src-1.7-200209202113/src$ cat Download-Mirror-List
[21:01] < rolla> # Created from https://www.rocklinux.org/mirrors.txt #
[21:01] < rolla> No mirror found for ROCK Linux Version 1.7-snapshot.
[21:02] < _NULL> hmm... wait a second....didn't fake said something about that yesterday?
[21:02] < Mike1> it looks ok if you access it from a web browser
[21:02] < rolla> I am not sure but I think so
[21:02] < rolla> yeah something about 0 length files
[21:03] < Mike1> so check the log
[21:03] < _NULL> hmm....
[21:03] < Mike1> we do have an icrlog for something dont we?
[21:03] < rolla> :P
[21:03] < _NULL> *ggg*
[21:06] < rolla> well it says fake fixed it but it is not in cvs :(
[21:06] < _NULL> that's bad
[21:06] < Mike1> mm...
[21:07] < rolla> need to wait for clifford to come back around
[21:08] < Mike1> rolla: you can also ask rxr
[21:10] < rolla> true
[21:10] < rolla> I'll just go work on the other rock build and wait ;)
[21:11] < Mike1> rolla you have rock-Gnome2 sources dont you ?
[21:11] < rolla> yup
[21:11] < Mike1> there you got something to work with
[21:11] < Mike1> :)
[21:11] < rolla> that is what I have moved on to work on
[21:12] < Mike1> GREAT!
[21:12] < rolla> I have two boxes with which to do builds
[21:12]   Mike1 needs huebi
[21:12] < rolla> I have to wait for downloads
[21:12] < huebi> Mike1: re ;-)
[21:13]   Mike1 got huebi :)))
[21:13] < Mike1> huebi: i need the sources of the install shell so i can start working around multilang stuff
[21:13] < tcr> Mike1: base-config/installö-disks/
[21:14] < Mike1> mmm.. ok
[21:14]   Mike1 goes to the sources now
[21:14] < Mike1> huebi: should i do the same kind of work with Config?
[21:15] < huebi> Mike1: Yes, try it out ;-)
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[21:16] < Mike1> ack
[21:17] < Mike1> we will have to add something like choice language or something like that
[21:18] < tcr> Mike1 actually the menu is very intuitve
[21:20] < Mike1> yeah
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[21:21] < tsa> tag
[21:21] < Mike1> hi tsa
[21:21] < tsa> hi Mike1
[21:21] < huebi> moin tsa ;-) I got your reminder but I'm still a little bit sick ;(
[21:22] < Mike1> huebi: better make it 1/2 a bit sick :)
[21:22] < tsa> huebi: ah, i see..
[21:22] < huebi> Mike1: Ack ;-)
[21:22] < tsa> huebi: do you think i will recieve it before the end of this month?
[21:22] < huebi> tsa: Yes, you will.
[21:23] < tsa> (i'll have to do my "umsatzsteuervoranmeldung" then...
[21:23] < tsa> )
[21:23] < tsa> ah, that's good..
[21:23] < tcr> lol hard to translate ;)
[21:23] < tsa> indeed ;)
[21:23] < Mike1> umsatzsteuervoranmeldung .... WTF is this?
[21:24] < tcr> Mike1: umsatz = rate of selling and buying
[21:24] < tcr> steuer = taxes
[21:24] < tcr> voranmledung = pre-registration
[21:24] < Mike1> tcr: declaracion of sales taxes?
[21:25] < huebi> Mike1: VAT
[21:25] < Mike1> declaration*
[21:25] < Mike1> huebi: ah :)
[21:25] < Mike1> huebi: thanks
[21:25] < huebi> value added tax (declaration) I do not need to do that each quater ;-))))
[21:26] < tsa> Mike1: every three months, i have to send all my invoices to the local tax office so they can claim some money without doing anything for me..
[21:26] < Mike1> ack i know what it is now
[21:26] < tcr> *gg*
[21:26] < tsa> huebi: hm...
[21:26]   Mike1 developed an application for doing such things online
[21:27] < Mike1> in Costa Rica only of cours
[21:27] < Mike1> +e
[21:27] < tsa> Mike1: mankind has developed good shotguns to use with the tax office people, too... ;-)
[21:27] < tsa> hm... i guess taxes are a lot lower in .cr ..
[21:28] < Mike1> tsa: yes.. isnt evolution great?
[21:28] < tsa> Mike1: yeah, sure ;-)
[21:28] < Mike1> tsa: i dont know would have to find out how expensive they are in de
[21:28] < huebi> tsa: Micronukes are _much_ more efficient ;>
[21:28] < _NULL> moin tsa
[21:28] < tsa> huebi: unfortunately, i currently don't have any..
[21:28] < tsa> tag _NULL
[21:29] < tsa> huebi: ..but i like the idea, anyway ;)
[21:29] < tsa> hm...
[21:29] < tsa> btw...UT 2003 runs very good on rock linux.
[21:29] < tsa> (demo 1)
[21:34] < kasc> moin
[21:34] < tsa> hi kasc
[21:34] < kasc> hi tsa :)
[21:34] < kasc> 288 Packete enthält mein rock 1.7 noch...
[21:48] < rolla> they are really nice boxes but built in nic cards are 10M only
[21:56] < tsa> boxes for which purpose?
[21:56] < rolla> Alpha stations 500
[21:57] < tsa> ah, nice.
[21:57] < Mike1> cool
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[22:01] < tcr> https://freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/patches/install_menu/install_shell-24-09-02.diff
[22:02] < tcr> demian: present?
[22:02] < Mike1> tcr: i think d3bian went away
[22:03] < tcr> hm... i need someone who could try the patch above out
[22:03] < tcr> i'm not sure if it fixes the bug that causes the wrong number of packages
[22:13] < tcr> gn8
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[23:15] < _NULL> re
[23:15] < Mike1> re
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[23:16] < Mike1> see you tomorrow
[23:16] < _NULL> bye Mike1
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