--- Log opened Thu Sep 26 00:00:22 2002
--- Day changed Thu Sep 26 2002
00:00 < h0h0> anyone know how to get grub to write its configuration file out to disk after you've edited the menus in the menu editor?
00:00 < jasonmaier> i search the recommendet tools for building. i got devfs and now i saw i need curl and so. still building fails during chroot. can i find a list anywhere about whats required for building
00:00 < tsa> h0h0: hm....no idea, i've never used grub..
00:00 < tsa> lilo only.. ;)
00:01 < jasonmaier> grubs cool i used
00:01 < Mike1> time to test my new build ...  rebooting
00:01 < d3mian> jasonmaier: i think there is enough info for that on the rock source's Documentation directory
00:01 < h0h0> tsa: if grub is able to do this, then im done with lilo.
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00:01 < tsa> jasonmaier: basically, you'll need all the stuff that is needed to compile a kernel + a little more.
00:02 < jasonmaier> i just found there i should use a rock system for building rock =(
00:02 < tsa> 'a little more' in this case includes things like curl...
00:02 < d3mian> jasonmaier: u dunt need a rock system to build rock afaik
00:03 < tsa> i'd recommend just trying to start a build and look into the logs if something fails.
00:03 < jasonmaier> kernels compiling..
00:03 < tsa> hm..so you already got binutils, gcc, make ...
00:04 < d3mian> i think u only requires an appropiate kernel configuration (including devfs support, maybe tmpsf), curl libraries, and a base development system.
00:04 < d3mian> tmpfs*
00:04 < jasonmaier> binutils. gcc 2.9.5  gotit
00:04 < jasonmaier> got devfs and tmpfs
00:05 < d3mian> will be easir if u tell us what u got during chroot
00:05 < tsa> d3mian: 'base development system' isn't very specific - perhaps we should consider making a list of stuff needed to compile Rock Linux.
00:06 < tsa> i.e. any kind of software needed in the stages before chroot()
00:06 < jasonmaier> donst have it i mind ... wait two minutes
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00:06 < tsa> tmpfs is not necessary afaik
00:07 < d3mian> tsa: --- ort, maybe tmpsf), cu ---
00:07 < d3mian> :)
00:08 < tsa> h?
00:08 < tsa> hm?
00:08 < d3mian> i said thay tmpfs could be used, not necessary, but forget it :)
00:09 < tsa> aaah! ;-)))
00:11 < jasonmaier> chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh no such command ...
00:12 < tsa> do you have a /bin/sh ?
00:12 < jasonmaier> this was the line i got hundred times
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00:12 < jasonmaier> got /bin/sh =)
00:12 < Mike1> re
00:12 < tsa> within the chroot?
00:13 < jasonmaier> how do i check this ??
00:13 < tsa> (should be $rock-tree/build/something-very-long/root/bin/sh
00:13 < tsa> )
00:13 < jasonmaier> the script did chroot not me
00:13 < jasonmaier> ok ill look
00:14 < tsa> hm...1.7-dev getting more and more broken...
00:14 < tsa> a build a week ago didn't have this problem..
00:15 < d3mian> Mike1: how was the new build ?
00:15 < Mike1> was?
00:15 < Mike1> its doing ok
00:15 < Mike1> anyways i have to go now
00:15 < d3mian> :)
00:15 < Mike1> see you tomorrow
00:15 < tsa> hehe
00:15 < d3mian> k, cya later
00:15 < tsa> cya Mike1
00:15 < Mike1> :)
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00:15 < tsa> from scripts/Build-Pkg:
00:15 < tsa>  TZ="/R.localtime" chroot . bin/sh R_chroot.sh ; returncode=$?
00:16 < jasonmaier> rock-src-1.7-200209162203
00:16 < jasonmaier> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory same stuff
00:17 < tsa> do you have $rock-tree/build/something-very-long/root/bin/bash ?
00:17 < tsa> if you do, just change the line in scripts/Build-Pkg
00:17 < jasonmaier> got sh in rock/rock-src-1.7-200209162203/build/default-1.7-snapshot-ia32-pentium-mmx-generic/root/bin
00:17 < tsa> hm...that's ok.
00:17 < jasonmaier> and there is bash either
00:18 < jasonmaier> use a base gentoo system
00:18 < d3mian> jasonmaier: is '/bin/sh' poiting to other file (a symlink?), if yes, make sure the link is ok
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00:20 < jasonmaier> bin/sh points to ->bash and bash seem ok but even a chroot to .../root/ brakes like chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory
00:21 < jasonmaier> noone here to help ??
00:21 < jasonmaier> thank you tsa, got alittle more noch about the chroot
00:21 < jasonmaier> will try asking again
00:22 < d3mian> jasonmaier: what CPU are u using?
00:23 < jasonmaier> pii 300
00:23 < jasonmaier> 64 mb ram =(
00:23 < d3mian> pii ?
00:23 < jasonmaier> pII
00:23 < d3mian> ahh k
00:24 < jasonmaier> ==)
00:24 < d3mian> could u try building bash again ?
00:25 < jasonmaier> how ?? could i use my bash ??
00:25 < jasonmaier> my own for gentoo build bash ?
00:25 < d3mian> but i think there wasnt a prob with this :/
00:26 < d3mian> scripts/Build-Pkg
00:27 < jasonmaier> this was my prob with 1.7... trying 1.5.12 broke too, Downloading tried several times always broke download first tar with unnown port something..
00:27 < d3mian> jasonmaier: do this:  (i think u had the same prob than me..)
00:28 < d3mian> $rock-tree/build/something-very-long/root/bin/bash -l
00:28 < d3mian> does it run a new bash login ?
00:28 < d3mian> or show: No such file or dir ?
00:29 < jasonmaier> got a new bash
00:29 < d3mian> $rock-tree/build/something-very-long/root/bin/sh ?
00:29 < jasonmaier> whith a strange prompt
00:29 < jasonmaier> same stuff..
00:29 < d3mian> it should be fine.. lemme see the 1.7 scripts
00:29 < jasonmaier> ../bin/sh runs too
00:30 < jasonmaier> sorry 1.7 scripts ??
00:30 < d3mian> are u using 1.5 ?
00:30 < jasonmaier> nope 1.7
00:31 < jasonmaier> for this question...
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00:43 < d3mian> jasonmaier: do a chroot by hand, this way:
00:44 < d3mian> chroot rock-src/build/rock.../root/ /bin/bash -login
00:44 < jasonmaier> gentoo default-1.7-snapshot-ia32-pentium-mmx-generic # chroot root /bin/bash -login
00:44 < jasonmaier> chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory
00:44 < jasonmaier> gentoo default-1.7-snapshot-ia32-pentium-mmx-generic #
00:45 < d3mian> yeah! cool
00:45 < jasonmaier> whatscool with this ??
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00:45 < d3mian> i knew i wasnt the only guy with those probs ! :-)
00:45 < ceduardo> hi
00:46 < jasonmaier> but /bin/bash is ok !
00:46 < ceduardo> bye
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00:46 < d3mian> i have some probs when building static things, they build fine and i can run them without any problem, and run them out of chroot, but, inside, some binaries fail!, saying this:
00:46 < d3mian> /bin/bash: No such file or dir..
00:47 < d3mian> well, simply, i dunt have any idea why could be this caused :-)
00:47 < jasonmaier> damn
00:47 < d3mian> this is not a rock related prob, afaik, tis is caused in some systems, i got this prob in amd k6-ii
00:48 < d3mian> cuase this builds fine in other systems and also run!
00:48 < jasonmaier> i thought it lacks tools in my other linux
00:48 < d3mian> well, but maybe there is a solution, but i dunt know it yet, i have the same prob, not with bash, but yes with soe other binaries
00:49 < jasonmaier> got a stable pii system building a whole gentoo system including binutils gcc glibc ....
00:51 < d3mian> see some logs i got at https://www.ic-itcr.ac.cr/~jonvargas/chroot.err
00:51 < jasonmaier> dont want to build another systems kernel with devfs
00:51 < jasonmaier> You don't have permission to access /~jonvargas/chroot.err on this server.
00:51 < d3mian> reload
00:51 < jasonmaier> k
00:54 < jasonmaier> seems strange
00:54 < d3mian> package builds were sucessful, and their binaries could be run out of chroot, not inside
00:55 < jasonmaier> strange =(
00:55 < d3mian> and of course they are static (not shared objects), then they have to work fine, but dunt do it
00:55 < d3mian> ill post this right now ;-)
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00:57 < jasonmaier> tired... beddown for now
00:57 < jasonmaier> bye and thanks
00:58 < d3mian> im sorry that i couldnt help u
00:58 < d3mian> im still with the same prob :(
00:58 < jasonmaier> you think there ll be help
00:58 < jasonmaier> ??
00:58 < jasonmaier> =)
00:59 < d3mian> i hope :)
01:00 < jasonmaier> ok lll try gain
01:00 < jasonmaier> building and asking
01:01 < d3mian> im trying sth.
01:01 < d3mian> cya
01:02 < jasonmaier> k
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03:30 < rolla> re
03:31 < rolla> is three
03:31 < rolla> is there anyone here who has setup raid on rock ?
03:32 < demian> hi rolla , not me
03:33 < rolla> then what good are you to me ;)
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03:51 < rolla> grrr
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05:00 < rolla> can you format a raid set resiserfs ?
05:01 < SMP> sure
05:01 < rolla> there would be no problems with the raid 5 and the journaling fs ?
05:02 < SMP> non known on recent 2.4 kernels
05:03 < rolla> cool
05:04 < SMP> but - I wouldn't use reiserfs anyway ;)
05:04 < rolla> warum ?
05:06 < SMP> weil es mittlerweile leidlich funktioniert, aber grandios kaputt geht, wenn es kaputt geht
05:06 < SMP> schau dich mal auf groups.google.com nach 'Erfolgsgeschichten' von reiserfsck an
05:07 < SMP> um
05:07 < rolla> okay
05:07 < rolla> thanks
05:17 < rolla> one other question would journaling fs help when all data is just going to be mirror of a ftp site ?
06:07 < SMP> it won't help children starving in Africa..
06:09 < SMP> so what does your data need help with? if you can define that, we will find an answer..
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06:22 < demian> hi mnemoc , que tal chile ?
06:23 < mnemoc> politicamente complicado pero bien :D
06:24 < mnemoc> y .cr?
06:24 < demian> pues, igual que siempre, no hay problemas de nada
06:24 < mnemoc> eso es bueno :D
06:24 < demian> por eso me gusta, el gobierno hace su trabajo y a nadie le preocupa nada :)
06:31 < mnemoc> siempre es tan silencioso aca?
06:32 < demian> no
06:32 < demian> es que los alemanes duermen a esta hora :)
06:33 < demian> son las 6:30am alla!
06:33 < mnemoc> con razon...
06:33 < mnemoc> la mayor parte son europeos?
06:34 < demian> si
06:34 < demian> dejame haver una encuesta..
06:37 < demian> de los 23 que hay, 18 estoy seguro son europeos, 2 somos tu y yo, y 3 no se de donde son
06:37 < demian> y de los europeos, 17 se que son alemanes
06:39 < mnemoc> de us no hay?
06:45 < demian> no estoy seguro
06:46 < demian> al unico que conozco es a litost
06:46 < demian> y no esta
06:46 < mnemoc> tengo un problema raro, con 1.7.
06:47 < mnemoc> Build-Target me tira: chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
06:47 < mnemoc> pero yo puedo hacer chroot a mano sin problemas :\
06:48 < demian> umm
06:48 < demian> vos no preguntaste eso hace u rato ?
06:48 < demian> estas subscrito a la lista rock-linux ?
06:49 < demian> hace poco mande un mail a la lista relacionado a esto
06:49 < demian> pero no se si sera problema de 1.7 o que!
06:49 < demian> a mi me pasa.. pero no con bash
06:49 < mnemoc> lo mismo?
06:49 < demian> umm. no..
06:50 < demian> leiste el ultimo mail a la lista ?
06:50 < mnemoc> lo acabo de leer :D
06:50 < demian> k
06:50 < demian> tonces ya sabes que no tengo respues ta :)
06:50 < demian> yo lo mande
06:51 < demian> mnemoc: hagamos algunas pruebas
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08:57 < nAdIeD> H!
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09:01 < demian> hi nAdIeD
09:01 < demian> hi Freak
09:03 < nAdIeD> lol
09:03 < nAdIeD> are you alone demian_?
09:03 < demian> rest are sleeping i think, ill do the same right now
09:04 < nAdIeD> lol
09:04 < nAdIeD> good
09:04 < nAdIeD> me too
09:04 < demian> ok, cya
09:04 < nAdIeD> i have to study
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09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
09:31 * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning.. 
09:32 < [anders]> and I have to remember to remove expat from the ext-config directory...
10:00 < huebi> moin
10:01 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:01 < huebi> hi barthel
10:08 < SMP> grmpf
10:09 < SMP> stage 5 running and I forgot to tweak the install-shell animation as I usually do for my builds;-}
10:19 < huebi> moin SMP
10:19 < huebi> ;-)
10:23 -!- zer0_o^ [~zer0_o@217.14.64.20] has joined #rocklinux
10:23 < zer0_o^> re all
10:24 < zer0_o^> i just downloaded samba from samba.org and my anti-virus programm said it was a virus in this file =(
10:25 < huebi> zer0_o^: samba _is_ a virus for MS ;>
10:26 < demian> :)
10:26 < demian> hi
10:27 < zer0_o^> huebi? really ? =)
10:27 < zer0_o^> i hope not too bad , i downloaded in windows ;)
10:28 < zer0_o^> but i dispack it in fbsd, thats more save ;)
10:50 < huebi> VS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:50 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:50 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
10:50 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:50 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:50 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:50 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:51 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:51 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
10:51 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:51 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:51 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:51 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:51 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:51 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
10:51 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:51 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:51 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:51 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:51 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:51 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
10:51 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:51 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:51 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:51 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:51 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:51 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
10:51 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:51 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:52 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:52 < SMP> arrgh
10:52 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:52 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:52 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
10:52 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:52 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o SMP] by ChanServ
10:52 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:52 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:52 -!- SMP was kicked from #rocklinux by SMP (arrgh)
10:52 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:52 < huebi> 09:13 < [anders]> guten morgen alles.. hope you had a nice sleep.. (I didn't...)
10:52 < huebi> 09:22 < Freak> uhm re guys
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10:52 < huebi> 09:26 < barthel> moin, moin...
10:52 < huebi> 09:30 < [anders]> re Freak, barthel
10:52 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o SMP] by ChanServ
10:52 < huebi> 09:31  * [anders] is building Rock-1.5.19-Gnome2 at the moment.. Have had to fix the build order of a few things this morning..
10:52 < huebi> 09:32 < [aVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5                                                             09:12 < [anders]> mrrrrf...
10:52 -!- huebi was kicked from #rocklinux by SMP (arrgh)
10:53 < demian> huebi!
10:53 < demian> :)
10:53 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o SMP] by SMP
10:53 < demian> thnx SMP
10:54 < Freak> what the fuck..
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10:55 < [anders]> re huebi, cut'n'paste problems this morning? :)
10:56 < [anders]> moin demian, Freak, SMP
10:56 < huebi> [anders]: *g* Ella tested the mouse...
10:56 < huebi> moin [anders]
10:56 < Freak> whooz ella?
10:56 < SMP> daughter
10:56 < Freak> sweet
10:56 < huebi> Freak: my daughter, 16 months old
10:56 < Freak> (=
10:56 < demian> :)
10:57 < Freak> I think I dreamt of having a baby this night..
10:57 < Freak> dreamed? freakin english
10:57 < demian> who was the father Freak ?
10:58 < demian> well, have to leave now, cya ;-)
10:58 < Freak> /me
10:58 < huebi> I found out that wavelan is a little tricky. I need some other cards 14 meters range is not enought.
10:58 < Freak> huhm
10:58 < huebi> cu demian
11:00 < Freak> I want to know what "Handlungsstrang" is in english ;)
11:00 < Freak> nevermind
11:05 < SMP> huebi: wlan with walls inbetween?
11:06 < huebi> SMP: Yes, four "11er Leichtbetonwaende" no steel in the walls
11:07 < SMP> four of them? uh
11:07 < SMP> could work with 1mw cards and mighty big antennas
11:07 < SMP> eh
11:07 < SMP> 11mw
11:08 < SMP> no way to have antennas outside?
11:09 < huebi> The Netgear cards also have only ~5MBit transmission rate if connectet with 11MBit and only 1m distance between them.
11:09 < huebi> 11mW cards? Can you tell me a type?
11:09 < SMP> eh, no
11:10 < SMP> the problem is that with a external antenna only 2mW are certified
11:10 < huebi> I can have antennas outside but therefore I need cards with antenna mount option.
11:10 < SMP> you need antennas anyway
11:11 < SMP> either normal antennas outside or might big ones inside ;)
11:12 < huebi> I can go down to 2 walls but I need then 40m - 50m distance.
11:25 < praenti> moin
11:25 < praenti> demian: still here?
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11:26 < praenti> demian: still here?
11:26 < demian> praenti: lucky, i was just closing the irc window..
11:26 < praenti> ohh. i see
11:26 < demian> how are u praenti ?
11:26 < praenti> huebi: is the gcc-wrapper running in stage 1?
11:27 < praenti> demian: good. i woke up 30 minutes ago
11:27 < demian> i see
11:28 < praenti> demian: i have a assumption for your problem
11:28 < demian> which one :)
11:30 < huebi> praenti: Yes, I think so.
11:32 < demian> praenti: clifford said that it could be caused by libc or ld-linux libraries (not found). but i know that's not the prob, what da u have to tell me praenti ?
11:33 < praenti> demian: you know i get some asm-errors with the gcc-wrapper
11:33 < demian> i systems with the same configuration, same distro, same packages , same running kernel but diff cpu's, this is not a prob :)
11:33 < praenti> in my athlon optimization
11:34 < demian> i dunt have that kind of probs, ive listened that before, but i never had them, i heard of that kind of messages while compiling the kernel
11:34 < praenti> perhaps you have the same problems. in some cases you dont get an asm error even if you need one. amd chips are not 100% code compatible to intel
11:35 < demian> yes.. well, i dunt know too much about arch stuff, but im almost sure it is caused by hardware
11:36 < demian> and!, if i take a static binarie built for the same arch and i replace the one which is having probs with this, the probs stays
11:36 < praenti> i think the problem is somewhere in libc or ld-linux as clifford said. but i dont know if it is caused by gcc-wrapper or the package itself
11:36 < demian> why da u think it is caused by those libs ?
11:37 < praenti> because i get these errors also on the kernel when i build manually. the difference is that the build does not abort
11:37 < demian> i see
11:37 < praenti> demian: buggy machine-code
11:38 < demian> maybe my messages are not printed even when i receive them..
11:38 < demian> da u wanna mean that
11:38 < demian> ?
11:38 < praenti> perhaps
11:38 < praenti> can you make a build with gcc-wrapper debugging? when u dont see anything. gcc-wrapper is not the problem
11:39 < demian> well, kernel 2.4.19 brings some special features to see cpu perfomance, ill enable them and will see if the cou reports a prob
11:39 < demian> gcc wrapper debugging.. never have used that.. but ill try
11:39 < praenti> demian:  dont know. if you have an acpi-board, use the patches on acpi.sourceforge.net
11:40 < praenti> then you should see a little bit more
11:40 < demian> apm/acpi mother board
11:40 < praenti> i must go to lunch
11:40 * praenti at lunch
11:41 < demian> i wonder why ld-linux and libc libs have to do with this prob, i dunt wanna be persistent, but ive done several tests and builds in other almost identical systems, but different hardware and i dunt frecuent this prob at all
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11:44 < demian> that system (the problematic one) has two partitions, one for rock stuff and other for slackware. both distros is able to build that, not for run them. and several segfaults (anywhere in stage2/xgcc) building gcc in this system , they are random, which makes me think the hardware could be a prob
11:46 < demian> anyways ill do some hackware changes with it ... in other places i havent received a good info about this
11:47 < demian> now ill leave , it's very late here and i need to wake up me within 2 and half hours. cya
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11:49 < barthel> have nice dreams demian cya
11:49 < zer0_o^> re
12:19 * praenti back
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12:23 * barthel is back (gone 00:00:07)
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13:05 * [anders] looking at anoncvs stuff...
13:06 < praenti> does anybody have a Klez virus?
13:06 < praenti> i need one for testing
13:06 < zer0_o^> rofl ;)
13:06 < zer0_o^> ask symantec
13:07 < praenti> Klez is only on microsoft active
13:07 < praenti> so i can test some things under linux ;-)
13:07 < zer0_o^> modify? ;)
13:29 < esden> hi all
13:36 < zer0_o^> hi esden
13:36 < zer0_o^> is there a dos simulator for linux ? =) to play old games like "indy3" =)
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13:37 < zer0_o^> or "larry laffer"
13:40 < esden> yes ... dosemu
13:41 < esden> zer0_o^: https://dosemu.sourceforge.net/
13:41 < demian> re (couldnt sleep almost nth)
13:41 < zer0_o^> thx
13:42 < esden> hi demian 
13:42 < demian> hi esden
13:42 < demian> zer0_o^: btw.. also have a look at freedos
13:42 < esden> demian: that is the dos you can run in the dosemu
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13:43 < esden> because dosemu is only the emulator ... you still need a dos to run in it
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13:43 < esden> [13:42] < esden> demian: that is the dos you can run in the dosemu
13:43 < esden> [13:43] < esden> because dosemu is only the emulator ... you still need a dos to run in it
13:44 < zer0_o^> ah
13:44 < demian> well, yeah, i know :)
13:44 < esden> demian: ;-)
13:53 < esden> ok ... cu all
13:54 < demian> cya, im in classes now :-)
14:08 < zer0_o^> have fun
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14:08 < tcr> moin all
14:09 < zer0_o^> hi tcr
14:11 < tcr> jo, moin ;)
14:30 < barthel> moin tcr
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14:41 < barthel> [ander:
14:42 < barthel> [anders]: do you include the GARNOME in the buildsystem of rock-gnome2
14:42 < barthel> ?
14:44 < praenti> does somebody know arc?
14:45 < tcr> [anders]: you were interested in that Htree patch for ext3. Now it's almost finally and will hopefully merged into 2.5 soon. But if you want to test it, i'll give you the adree to the patch (there is now a back-merged version to 2.4.19 as well)
14:45 < tcr> s,finally,final,
14:47 < barthel> la
15:04 < rolla> re
15:19 < tcr> huebi: present?
15:20 < [anders]> barthel: no, Mike and I have grabbed the recommended packages and I worked out the build order...
15:21 < [anders]> tcr: what I might do is wait until it is in 2.5 proper and then spin an UML kernel and have a play with that..
15:22 < tcr> [anders]: i'm currently updating e2fsprogs and am preparing the kernel compile
15:23 < [anders]> barthel: with the recent updates in 1.5.19 (previous gnome2 build in 1.5 was 1.5.18-ish) I have had to rework the order of a few things, but other than that, the build seems to steam ahead quite nicely.. I should be able to make an ISO available in perhaps the next day..
15:23 < [anders]> tcr: nice one.. :)
15:23 < tcr> i wonder ... Build-Pkg seems to accept only bz2 compressed tarballs. E2fsprogs is naturally a .gz one. I had to convert it by my own ... huh ?!
15:24 < [anders]> tcr: did you use ./scripts/Download to fetch the tar.gz ?
15:24 < tcr> yes
15:24 < rolla> [anders] :)
15:24 < [anders]> tcr: it should have converted it to a tar.bz2 in that case.. odd..
15:24 < [anders]> rolla: hullo there..... :)
15:24 < tcr> before i modifizied .pz to fetch the newest one (1.29 with htree support) and i ran scripts/Puzzle
15:25 < rolla> [anders] I am going to be setting up a mirror for the packages for 1.5.19 :)
15:25 < barthel> [aders]: sounds great.
15:26 < [anders]> rolla: nice one.. :)
15:26 < rolla> yeah I added 78G of disk last night for the purpose :) I just need a better net connection :)
15:27 < [anders]> ah well.. it is in stage 5 and compiling xfree86.. time to grab the changes I made and feed them back into the CVS tree... :)
15:27 < rolla> :)
15:30 < tcr> see you this evening... having training now
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15:33 < rew> moin
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15:54 < rolla> is it possible to have gtk1.x and gtk2.x installed at the same time ?
15:54 < barthel> yes
15:55 < rolla> cool thanks
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16:19 < rolla> I belive base-archive
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16:20 < rolla> MIKE
16:20 < Mike1> Hi
16:21 < barthel> [rolla]: gnome ?
16:21 < [anders]> yo Miguel, como estas?
16:21 < barthel> moin Mike1
16:21 < rolla> gnome ?
16:21 < Mike1> hi [anders] barthel :)
16:22 < [anders]> Mike1: the build is getting there.. in stage 5 now.. should be able to make the ISO available tonight..
16:23 < Mike1> [anders]: rolla finally got to fix some broken links on our base, i got a stable build on 1.5.19 (normal) and will go for a complete base+opt+ext in team with praenti ( i hope ) and also is time to see if i get rid my old nautilus bug in the Gnome2 tree
16:23 < [anders]> had to reorder a few things, disable galeon (not in cvs, do that manually) and a libGLU patch in xfree86 (not in cvs, do manually)
16:23 < [anders]> galeon 1.2.5 and mozilla 1.1 doesn't gel..
16:24 < Mike1> yes i knew that problem already
16:25 < [anders]> in any event, that will reduce the size of my ISO and I would not use Galeon anyway.. :)
16:25 < [anders]> gives me more space to get Evolution working.. ;-)
16:26 < [anders]> going to finally! start hacking on Evolution.. I think I might even be able to get that working now.. Someone (the xscreensaver dude) told be what might be the ultimate solution, and that might already be fixed in the gtk2+ libs..
16:26 < Mike1> great
16:27 < Mike1> could you please coordinate with rolla so he can have access to cvs
16:28 < Mike1> he already set up a cvs server which i am using as a mirror
16:28 < Mike1> [anders]: btw i hope you already took care of the changelog thingy
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16:35 < [anders]> Mike1: there is a changelog, to be manually edited. No fancy-schmancy automagic thingy here... ;-)
16:35 < Mike1> ok
16:35 < [anders]> it's in the top-dir and should be fairly easy to spot..
16:36 < th> hi Mike1
16:36 < [anders]> regarding cvs access, I am looking at anoncvs (will fix that one way or another) and I'll talk to rolla about write access..
16:36 < [anders]> moin th
16:36 < th> Mike1: you are maintaining vim IIRC
16:36 < Mike1> ack
16:36 < th> hi [anders]
16:36 < Mike1> th: vim on 1.5 yes
16:36 < th> Mike1: there is no gvim included
16:37 < th> Mike1: if i rebuild it - it's in
16:37 < Mike1> th go ahead :)
16:37 < th> Mike1: please fix it
16:37 < th> ;)
16:37 < Mike1> th: mom
16:37 < th> Mike1: could be a matter of build-order
16:38 < th> Mike1: if gtk is not yet present
16:38 < Mike1> th yes actually thats the thing
16:38 < Mike1> th i will take care of this a bit
16:39 < Mike1> [anders]: btw about the changelog lets please use the latest changes on the top i dont want to be scrolling down to find out what have been done as we used to do in the old style changelog
16:40 < [anders]> Mike1: sure, no problemo.. :)
16:40 < Mike1> th: vim is one of the very first packages that gets build on stage tree so thats is actually the problem, just have had not much time lately, anyways thanks for reporting i will fix this in a bit :)
16:41 < th> Mike1: ok great
16:41 < [anders]> <- coffee..
16:41 < Mike1> [anders]: get me one too please
16:41 < Mike1> :)
16:46 * rolla goes off for some Mountain dew 
16:47 < Mike1> enjoy :)
16:47 < rolla> I shall
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17:04 < Mike1> barthel: ??
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17:11 < kasc> re
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17:39 * Mike1 needs huebi
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18:08 < barthel> i like your realtime config-parsing if i build rock ;-)
18:08 < barthel> switching from verbose output to normal and back... fun ;-)
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18:25 < [anders]> <- going home.. might be back later..
18:25 < [anders]> have a problem with linc in stage 5, should be easy to fix though.. seen it before..
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18:41 < mnemoc> demian: are you there?
18:43 < mnemoc> anybody with problems with the chrooted env?
18:43 < mnemoc> =[
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18:49 < _NULL> hi
18:49 < Mike1> mnemoc: 1.7
18:49 < Mike1> ?
18:49 < Mike1> hi _NULLy
18:49 < _NULL> hi Mike1
18:52 < mnemoc> yep
18:53 < mnemoc> i found my problem
18:53 < Mike1> ?
18:53 < mnemoc> my build/{mybuild}/root is mounted
18:54 < mnemoc> so, when build/{mybuild} is binded to src.lalalal./R.Build root is empty
18:54 < mnemoc> that why i get:
18:54 < mnemoc> [root@box rock-1.7]# ./scripts/Build-Target
18:54 < mnemoc> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
18:55 < mnemoc> my english is shameful :\
18:55 * mnemoc = tarzan
18:57 < zer0_o^> dont be ashamed ;), mine is crap too =)
18:58 < Mike1> O_o
18:58 < zer0_o^> X_x
18:58 < zer0_o^> x_X
18:58 < Mike1> :P
18:58 < Mike1> how are you ?
18:58 < zer0_o^> ;D
18:58 < zer0_o^> i'm fine, thx
18:58 < zer0_o^> oh no.. brb
19:01 < zer0_o^> the last phonecall today =) yeah
19:01 < zer0_o^> i think it's time to go home now
19:01 < zer0_o^> Mike1 what about you?
19:02 < zer0_o^> i work in a customer care center... 1st and 2nd level support, the customers are horrible some times..
19:03 < Mike1> zer0_o^: i have 5 more hours here
19:03 < zer0_o^> huh, where are you from?
19:03 < Mike1> i am sysadmin never deal with costummers
19:03 < Mike1> Costa Rica
19:03 < zer0_o^> lucky man! hehe
19:04 < Mike1> and guess what?
19:04 < Mike1> i slept last night :)
19:04 < zer0_o^> costa rica? nice! beach, sun and girls all the day =)
19:04 < Mike1> of course :)
19:05 < zer0_o^> =D
19:05 < zer0_o^> i go at home, i see you later
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19:34 < bluefire> hoi
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19:39 < nAdIeD> H!
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19:40 < Mike1> hi nAdIeD
19:40 < Mike1> neron: :)
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19:41 < neron> :(
19:41 -!- neron is now known as mnemoc
19:41 < mnemoc> this is my altnick, but here is regged :\
19:41 < Mike1> mnemoc: porque :( ?
19:42 < mnemoc> porque no puedo usar mi nick :\
19:42 < Mike1> k
19:44 < mnemoc> can you read my last mail to the list? :D
19:46 < Mike1> in a bit i am currently finishing something
19:47 < mnemoc> np....
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19:56 < Mike1> mnemoc: ?
19:56 < mnemoc> .
19:59 < Mike1> Ale voy a ir a almorzar luego hablamos esta bien?
19:59 * Mike1 is away: having lunch
19:59 < mnemoc> yo tb :D nos vemos
19:59 < Mike1> provecho :)
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20:24 < _NULL> *lol* what a quit message...
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20:47 < tcr> guten abend
20:48 < _NULL> moin tcr
20:57 < [anders]> lo
20:57 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:58:02)
20:57 < Mike1> re
20:57 < tcr> <- eating
20:58 < Mike1> enjoy tcr
20:58 < tcr> Mike1: say "'n guten"
21:00 < Mike1> tcr: de acuerdo :)
21:08 < tcr> thx ... finished now :D
21:08 < Mike1> huh?
21:08 < Mike1> you ate in 5 minutes?
21:08 < tcr> well
21:08 < Mike1> hehe
21:09 < tcr> actually i began a quarter of an hour ago
21:09 < Mike1> i see
21:09 < Mike1> i thought you started 15 minutes ago
21:09 < Mike1> ;)
21:10 < tcr> almost
21:10 < Mike1> tcr: /me is jk
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21:11 < tcr> Mike1: ???
21:13 < Mike1> tcr: nevermind
21:13 < tcr> ???
21:13 * tcr wants to know that!
21:14 < Mike1> tcr: it was just a dummy joke  a quarter of an hour = 15 minutes
21:15 < tcr> er ... i dunno what jk should be?
21:15 < Mike1> tcr: nevermind
21:16 < tcr> hmpf
21:17 < Mike1> tcr: sorry right now i am too pissed off
21:17 < Mike1> brb
21:18 < tcr> ???
21:28 < Mike1> tcr: just something that has happened here dont worry
21:29 < Mike1> my boss has got on my nervs and has passed the limit of my patience
21:29 < tcr> i'd drive to redmond to kick the ass of one certain person
21:29 < tcr> after that you'd certainly feel better
21:30 < Mike1> well i would prefer to take a bag of rock ROCK him
21:37 * rolla wants to kick the ass of the person who moved all the files on ftp.gnome.org around
21:38 < Mike1> hahahahahahaha
21:39 < rolla> don't laugh
21:39 < rolla> I am only half way done
21:44 * Mike1 needs th
21:44 < Mike1> th awake?
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22:15 < Mike1> re
22:15 < Mike1> rolla: finished yet?
22:16 < rolla> I think so
22:16 < rolla> go ahead and co it
22:16 < rolla> sorry I missed my window my 18minutes
22:19 < Mike1> ok i start download now then :)
22:29 < th> Mike1: ack
22:30 < Mike1> weehhh!!
22:35 < [anders]> Mike1: I'm adding the odd file here and there to the tree as well.. fixing build breaks.. I've seen'em all before and have the fixes already.. :)
22:36 < Mike1> th whats the status on your new server setup?
22:36 < Mike1> [anders]: good i already started a download as rolla has finally finished the package broken url's fix :)
22:39 < [anders]> Mike1: yeah, I was lagging badly as he was doing the update.. he was taking up all the bandwidth.. ;-)
22:42 < Mike1> hehe
22:43 < [anders]> I really really need to start using QoS and set up a good network..
22:43 < Mike1> btw my lates build of 1.5.19 (normal) is working very nice and stable if you would like a copy of the iso...
22:43 * Mike1 is creating it for rolla but perhaps you might wanna have it as well
22:47 * _NULL listens to: death in june - rain of despair
22:47 * Mike1 smiles to _NULL
22:47 < _NULL> Mike1: why so?
22:47 < [anders]> hmm.. not the ISO, but the rock-sources would be handy.. unless it is all in huebi's cvs already.. :)
22:48 < [anders]> <- afk, fixing 1.5.19-gnome2 build-break
22:48 < Mike1> [anders]: you mean packages sources?
22:48 < Mike1> or the source tree?
22:48 < Mike1> _NULL: just wanted to
22:49 < _NULL> hmhm.
22:49 < _NULL> These Things You See // All Mean Nothing // These Things You See // All Mean Nothing // In All Your Life // There is No Worth // All Plans You Make // Tumble To Earth  << great song...
22:54 * rolla think _NULL needs help
22:55 < _NULL> rolla: why? i'm just listening to gothic...
22:55 < rolla> that is the reason
22:55 < _NULL> but the music is the only truth as it seems... world failed..
22:56 < _NULL> rolla: why should i need help?
22:56 * rolla doesn't have time for this today
22:56 < _NULL> okay.
22:57 < tcr> "diese welt wird brennen, und was von ihr bleibt, kaum mehr als asche, nicht mehr als der dreck, aus der sie enstand. Benzin ist mein Begleiter, mein freund und wegbereiter, sein geruch an meiner seite, und asche wird sein jetzt noch lebt. Deutschland in Flammen, brenne deustches vaterland. Deutschland in Flammen, brenne mein vaterland."
22:57 * tcr is listening to Eisregen - Deutschland in flammen
22:57 < tcr> anyone who needs help?
22:57 < _NULL> tcr: hehe ;PP
22:57 * _NULL doesn't need help. 
23:01 < [anders]> Mike1: nope, I mean fixing build-breaks.. Not download breaks..
23:02 < Mike1> [anders]: what packages are braking for you ?
23:02 < [anders]> latest was libbonobo.. fixed so far are linc, gdk-pixbuf and bonobo-activation
23:03 < [anders]> will carry on tomrrow morning.. bedtime now.. :)
23:03 < [anders]> night night all.. :)
23:03 < Mike1> mmm ok
23:04 < mnemoc> night? :\ europeans =[
23:04 < tcr> gn8  [anders] ... schlaf gut
23:05 < Mike1> mnemoc: yes most of the people here are europeans
23:05 * mnemoc is away [log:off] [pager:off] [gone:56mins 34secs] : [ working :| ]
23:06 < tcr> yup ... and me is watching Harald Schmidt now and then zZz
23:06 < tcr> cu all
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