-!- Irrsi  Log opened Fri Oct 04 00:00:30 2002
[00:47] < Mike1> bye all
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[00:56]   barthel is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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[00:57] < owl> re
[00:57] < capchaos> hi owl
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[00:58] < _NULL> hi capchaos
[00:58] < bathel_> immer noch nicht im bett ?
[00:59] < _NULL> bathel_: nope. no time
[00:59] < capchaos> _NULL: what are you working on?
[00:59] < bathel_> ;)
[01:00] < bathel_> <- sleep, dream... bye folkz
[01:00] < capchaos> nite bathel_
[01:00] < _NULL> capchaos: right now i'm trying to complete the installation of postfix... and if my network wouldn't have had a crash, then i might would have been able to do this... *arghl*
[01:00] < _NULL> bye bathel_
[01:03] < capchaos> _NULL: why not use sendmail=?
[01:04] < _NULL> capchaos: me was told that postfix is more fast and featured than sendmail
[01:05] < capchaos> _NULL: you're installing it on rocklinux, right? ;)
[01:05] < _NULL> yeah. afaik yes. (it's not my system i'm installing it...)
[01:06] < capchaos> you don't know the system you're installing it, huh?
[01:06] < _NULL> ;) yes...
[01:06] < capchaos> heh
[01:06] < _NULL> ;)
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[01:51] < _NULL> gn8. cu
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[02:14] < capchaos> re Ge0rG
[02:14] < Ge0rG> re
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[08:03] < huebi> moin
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[08:12] < term_emu> morning
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[08:39] < d3mian> hi
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[09:44] < barthel> moin moin
[10:06] < barthel> anybody awake ?
[10:07] < d3mian> .
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[11:25] < rxr> hi Freak
[11:26]   esden awake ... but afk ... /me needs his fixed line back >_<
[11:26] < esden> cu all
[11:27] < d3mian> hi esden, Freak , zer0_o^ , rxr
[11:41] < Freak> lalala
[11:41] < Freak> hi guys
[11:41] < barthel> <- lunch ;)
[11:41]   barthel is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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[13:10] < th> hmmm can't find ucspi-tcp man pages... web has thousands of man2html pages of tcpserver(1) but i can't find the manpage
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[13:20] < tsa> moin.
[13:26] < barthel> moin;)
[13:27] < tsa> hi barthel
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[13:45] < tsa> hi [anders]_
[13:56] < barthel> hi [anders]_ ;)
[13:56] < barthel> build finished ;)))))))))))
[14:05] < tsa> hehe
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[14:13] < [anders]> narf!
[14:13] < tsa> hehe
[14:13] < tsa> re [anders]
[14:13] < [anders]> moin tsa.. :)
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[14:15] < [anders]> re
[14:15] < tsa> ;)
[14:15] < barthel> re ;)
[14:16] < [anders]> barthel: good stuff.. you already cut a CD and are installing with it? :)
[14:17] < barthel> no... i'm only build packages...
[14:17] < barthel> it was a test... now i do it again and build a ISO...
[14:18] < barthel> 1 week ago i start with playing rock... ;)
[14:18] < [anders]> barthel: ok.. I'm going to be hacking on evolution this weekend I think, apart from saturday when I am driving to and from the Midlands. Only 275km each way or so..
[14:18] < barthel> now i've the first build... a long time...
[14:19] < barthel> ;)
[14:20] < [anders]> heh.. I remember when I built ROCK 1.4.0.. That was my last build for a loooong time.. About a year and a half or something like that...
[14:20] < barthel> how i update my running system with my building packages now ?
[14:21] < barthel> without destroying my config's...
[14:22] < [anders]> that I do not know..
[14:23] < [anders]> As always, make a backup first.. :)
[14:23] < barthel> hhhmmm...
[14:23] < barthel> esden, huebi, others ?
[14:25] < esden> re
[14:26] < barthel> how i update my running system with my building packages now ?
[14:26] < barthel> without destroying my config's...
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[14:30] < esden> ok .. gqview patch sent to cliff ... so gqview is back under rock linux packages ;-)
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[14:31] < esden> barthel: in 1.5 or 1.7 ?
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[14:32] < esden> argh
[14:33] < snyke> MAN DOWN
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[14:33] < snyke> :)
[14:33] < barthel> 1.5.19
[14:33] < esden> we have to change irc network
[14:33] < esden> >_<
[14:33] < esden> that really sux here ...
[14:33] < barthel> esden: 1.5.19
[14:33] < esden> barthel: pkg-update ?
[14:34] < esden> it is not touching anything in /etc
[14:34] < esden> so your configs should remain untouched
[14:34] < barthel> ah ok... but pkg-update tar-file [tar-file...]
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[14:37] < esden> yes ... you have to use tar files ..
[14:37] < esden> argh !!!!!
[14:38] < esden> I will explode ... if it continues ...
[14:38] < esden> -lilo(lilo@lilo.staff.freenode)- [Global Notice] Hi all.  We're going to rehub a main rotation server.  Please
[14:38] < esden>           bear with us.
[14:38] < esden> bla bla bla
[14:38] < esden> on and on and on ...
[14:38] < esden> all the time ...
[14:38] < esden> grrr
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[14:39] < esden> re guys
[14:39] < barthel> suckz !
[14:39] < esden> we really should seriously think about changing the irc network
[14:39] < esden> or use our own irc server ...
[14:40] < esden> then I know that when there are errors ... who I should hit/kick
[14:40] < esden> lilo is too far away ;-)
[14:42] < esden> updating from sources ... is also possible some way .. but I really can not say how ... when I update I backup the configs myself .. remove the packet with pkg-remove ... and then I make ./scripts/Build-Pkg
[14:42] < esden> that is the way I do it here on my laptop ...
[14:42] < esden> but how it is with a server I really can not say ... I still use debian on my server because I had no opportunity to change it till now ...
[14:43] < barthel> i've install rock from iso-image and now i would like fock-gnome2... there a lot of packages :/
[14:43] < barthel> ;)
[14:43] < barthel> i use it on my workstation... i understand you ;)
[14:44] < esden> in 1.7 there is ./scripts/Update-System ... and I heard that it works pretty well ... but I really do not know how it works with a 1.5 system
[14:44] < barthel> i need a apt-get dist-update for rock...
[14:44] < esden> barthel: ./scripts/Update-System is something like this ... but avalable in 1.7 and not 1.5
[14:45] < esden> you can dig in it ... to see how and how good it works
[14:45] < esden> I have not tested it yet
[14:45]   barthel missing a packagemanagement ;/
[14:45] < barthel> ;)
[14:45] < barthel> ok... i build an iso and then checkout 1.7...
[14:45] < esden> as I said ... these features will be avalable in 1.7 ...
[14:46] < esden> kk
[14:46] < barthel> thx
[14:46] < esden> denada ;-)
[14:47] < esden> ok ... I am off again
[14:47] < barthel> how the roadmap of 1.7 ?
[14:48] < esden> hmm ... the first usable alpha versian of it ... should be there in december on 19C3
[14:49] < barthel> and beta and stable ?
[14:49] < esden> but if you are hard and brave enough ... you can install it already now ... some people have done it ... I run a 1.5 1.7 hybrid system on my laptop
[14:49] < barthel> ;)
[14:49] < esden> barthel: that is unpredictable ... when it is ready ... I would say
[14:49] < barthel> ;) ok... ;)
[14:50] < esden> barthel: co 1.7 and take a look in it ... then you can say if it is already something for you ... ;-)
[14:51] < barthel> yep...
[14:51] < esden> and do not hesitate to ask questions here an channel ... and/or on the mailinglist ...
[14:52] < esden> but prior to thins try to read the documentation .. and source ... ;-)
[14:53] < esden> cu all
[14:57] < barthel> cu
[15:02] < barthel> [anders]: is the cvs down ?
[15:04] < [anders]> barthel: no, it should be available now..
[15:05] < barthel> [anders]: i run cvs up only in galeon-dir... but nothing comming...
[15:05] < barthel> [anders]: timeout error
[15:06] < [anders]> barthel, that is because it is in a branch.. and it will not build either..
[15:06] < [anders]> and also, someone is downloading an ISO, so the link gets a bit slow then..
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[15:08] < barthel> [anders]: which branch i've to checkout to build galeon ?
[15:08] < rolla> re all
[15:08] < barthel_> re rolla ;)
[15:10] < barthel> [anders]: i drilled the tiger ;)
[15:10] < barthel> s/[anders]/rolla/g
[15:12] < [anders]> barthel: I posted instructions to the mailinglist last night about it.. :)
[15:13] < barthel> [anders]: i thought it was for evolution... ok i read it carrfully again ;)
[15:16] < rolla> yeah I saw that anders is your machine up again ?
[15:16] < [anders]> uhm.. my bad, I misread galeon as evolution.. tired today..
[15:16] < [anders]> rolla: yeah, since 12:44 BST..
[15:17] < rolla> cool
[15:17] < [anders]> galeon should be in the main tree..
[15:17] < barthel_> cool ;)
[15:17] < [anders]> someone is pulling an ISO from it at the moment though, so the latency is horrendous..
[15:18] < rolla> yeah I know that fun
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[15:21] < Mike1> h
[15:21] < Mike1> i
[15:21] < [anders]> moin Mike1
[15:21] < Mike1> god morgon [anders] :)
[15:21] < barthel> h
[15:21] < barthel> i
[15:21] < [anders]> <- lagging badly..
[15:21] < barthel> M
[15:21] < barthel> i
[15:21] < barthel> k
[15:21] < barthel> e
[15:21] < barthel> 1
[15:21] < barthel> ;)
[15:21] < Mike1> :)
[15:22] < rolla> Mike
[15:22] < Mike1> hi rolla
[15:23]   Mike1 is fscking falling asleep !!
[15:26] < barthel_> <- reboot new rock-gnome2...
[15:26] < rolla> sweet
[15:26]   barthel_ pray to MATHILDA and hope
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[15:26] < martin_> hi al
[15:26] < Mike1> hehehe
[15:26] < martin_> hi all, hi rxr
[15:26] < Mike1> hi martin_
[15:26] < martin_> hi Mike1
[15:29]   Mike1 wonders why barthel is taking so long to come back
[15:30] < barthel> fschk... / not clean unmounted ;/
[15:30]   Mike1 guesses he didnt compile his kernel and doesnt have support for his lan :)
[15:30] < Mike1> ah :)
[15:30]   barthel setup ext3
[15:32] < Mike1> ok guys i must get off irc for 1/2 a bit see you later
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[15:33] < blindcoder> hi all
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[15:44] < barthel> [anders]: how do i start gnome2 ? :/
[15:44] < rolla> ;)
[15:54] < tsa> barthel: /path/to/gnome-session ;)
[15:55] < barthel> yea.. gnome-session --version 1.4.1 ...
[15:55] < barthel> i've gnome2 not really installed... i think ;(
[15:58] < tsa> wrong gnome-session, it seems.
[15:58] < tsa> /opt/gnome2/bin/gnome-session ?
[15:58] < barthel> no file or directory...
[15:59] < tsa> hm..where did you install your gnome2 stuff, then?
[16:00] < barthel> i build it and run pkg-install *
[16:01] < tsa> on rock 1.5?
[16:01] < tsa> or 1.7?
[16:01] < barthel> 1.5
[16:01] < tsa> uhm.
[16:01] < tsa> you should ask mike1 then, he should know.
[16:01] < barthel> yep ;)
[16:02] < tsa> i'm not too much involved with 1.5 nowadays..
[16:02] < tsa> spending too much time with 1.7 ;)
[16:06] < barthel> tsa: it's possible to port the 'packagemanagement' to 1.5 ? do you know about that ?
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[16:07] < Mike1> re
[16:08] < barthel> tsa: it's possible to port the 'packagemanagement' to 1.5 ? do you know about that ?
[16:09] < [anders]> barthel: uhm.. /usr/bin/gnome-session should be for gnome2
[16:10] < barthel> i'm really stupid ! i've pfg-instal _._ * the root-dir is NOT . :/
[16:10] < barthel> s/pfg-/pkg/g
[16:13] < rolla> how is rock for ultra sparc ?
[16:13] < barthel> rolla: cool ? ;)
[16:15] < Mike1> rolla rock is running under Ultra Sparc
[16:15] < Mike1> but it has been tested to run only base without opt and ext
[16:15] < Mike1> sparc32 port is currently under development
[16:16] < rolla> okay
[16:16] < rolla> I want a iso for ultrasparc
[16:16] < rolla> I have a sun blade 1000 here that needs rock ;)
[16:16] < Mike1> i have a couple of 1.5.12 isos which i made when i had an Ultra 5
[16:16] < Mike1> Sun Blade 1000 ?? OMG
[16:16] < Mike1> you got one of those
[16:17] < esden> re hi
[16:17] < Mike1> rolla perhaps send an email to armijn he does have the latest isos for sparc64
[16:17] < rolla> yeah under my desk at work
[16:17] < Mike1> hi esden
[16:17] < esden> argh ... cvs is sooo slooow .. >_<
[16:18] < esden> hi Mike1
[16:18] < Mike1> esden actually the cvs is ok but ur conection sucks :P
[16:18] < rxr> re
[16:18] < Mike1> you have to get back to DE soon
[16:18] < esden> that too ... but it is not really faster when I am on a faster connection ...
[16:18] < Mike1> hi rxr
[16:18] < Mike1> mmm i see
[16:18] < esden> hmm ... let me see if my box at home is online ;-)
[16:19] < Mike1> :)
[16:19] < esden> Welcome to OpenBSD:
[16:19] < esden> cool my router is online !
[16:19] < esden> that is good ;-)
[16:20] < rxr> esden: your router is not running ROCK ?
[16:20] < Mike1> i thought it was netBSD
[16:21] < blindcoder> hi esden
[16:21] < esden> rxr: nope ... cuz I wanted to test openbsd ... and that was a good oportunity ... and I still wait that someone cleans the router target up
[16:21] < esden> hi blindcoder
[16:21] < rxr> ah ...
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[16:22] < _NULL> hi
[16:22] < esden> ok ... the update is finished ...
[16:22] < esden> hi null
[16:22] < rxr> my router is dRock-1.4.0-dev + security updates ...
[16:22] < blindcoder> hi owly!
[16:22] < _NULL> hi esden, blindcoder
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[16:22] < armijn> re
[16:23] < armijn> hi rolla
[16:23] < Mike1> re?
[16:23] < _NULL> hi armijn
[16:23] < rolla> ja
[16:23] < armijn> rolla: first you will have to install a Linux distribution on your blade
[16:23] < rolla> okay other than debian what is the best ?
[16:24] < armijn> I installed aurora on my sparcstation 20 this week
[16:24] < armijn> it's red hat based
[16:24] < Mike1> hi armijn
[16:24] < armijn> gentoo might also be a good choice
[16:24] < armijn> hi mike1
[16:24] < armijn> hi _NULL
[16:24] < rolla> okay
[16:24] < rolla> where might i find aurora ?
[16:24] < Mike1> rolla: gentoo is evil got for splack
[16:24] < armijn> https://auroralinux.org/
[16:25] < armijn> splack is also an option
[16:25] < rxr> armijn: aurora linux crashed on my U5 during the installation
[16:25] < rolla> I will try this aurora
[16:25] < rxr> with version 0.3.0 and 0.3.x ...
[16:25] < Mike1> rxr: what distro are you running currently?
[16:25] < Mike1> on ur Ultra 5 i mean
[16:25] < armijn> rxr: so I installed 0.4 ;-)
[16:26] < rolla> 5 disks wow
[16:26] < armijn> rolla: you'll need the first 2
[16:26] < rolla> good
[16:27] < rxr> Mike1: rock 1.5.x of Jan ...
[16:27] < rxr> + xfree hacks ...
[16:27] < rolla> this should be cool :)
[16:27] < rxr> and I'll rebuild using the ROCK 1.7 scripts in the next days ...
[16:27] < armijn> rolla: 1.5.19 needs a few tweaks, otherwise it won't build correctly...
[16:28] < rolla> okay
[16:28] < armijn> still need to send in some patches
[16:28] < rolla> once I get it download and installed I shall talk to you about best rock for the box
[16:28] < armijn> well, to be honest, I never tried 1.7
[16:28] < armijn> so I am totally biased...
[16:29] < rxr> armijn: I'm currently fixing our Build-CrossCC for the gcc-3.2 ...
[16:29] < armijn> rxr: also as the kernel compiler?
[16:29] < armijn> good luck.
[16:29] < rolla> fine by me
[16:29] < rxr> armijn: we already discussed this very often ... - Yes. The gcc-3.2 works fine - especially as kernel compiler.
[16:30] < armijn> haha..
[16:30]   armijn quotes an e-mail from David Miller (sparc64 maintainer) from october 2
[16:31] < armijn> "Don't use gcc-3.2 to build the kernel. It has known problems"
[16:32] < armijn> now...whom should I believe? The kernel maintainer? Or rxr?
[16:32] < rxr> armijn: I already posted some months ago - that D.S.M. said it should work - but he would prefer bug reports with the old one ...
[16:32] < esden> armijn: the maintainer ... you also should not compile c++ programs with it ... I had a really "good" experiance with it ...
[16:33] < armijn> esden: exactly
[16:33] < rxr> esden: C++? With the gcc-3.2 ?
[16:33] < esden> 3.2 is buggy like hell ... and that are really very obvious bugs ...
[16:33] < armijn> what you guys do with 1.7 is your choice, but 1.5 will use egcs64
[16:33] < esden> rxr: yes C++
[16:33] < armijn> otherwise, I'm out :)
[16:33] < _NULL> aszlig: are you here?
[16:33] < rxr> esden: No! It is the best compilier for C++ I know of ...
[16:34] < rxr> maybe your source was not C++ ...
[16:34] < armijn> hmm...the intel C++ compiler for linux performs better
[16:34] < esden> rxr: believe what you want to believe .. but try to compile the newest wvstreams (out of wvdial) and you will see the bugs
[16:35] < esden> I know what I say ... /me not stupid
[16:35] < rxr> esden: this is not a believe. I do much C++ and GCC 3.2 is magnitues more advanced ...
[16:35] < rxr> that wvdial is not C++ might be another issue ...
[16:36] < esden> wvdial is C++ my friend ... go inform you and we can talk then ...
[16:36] < armijn> but still, the egcs64 vs. gcc 3-2 is a non-issue for me...
[16:36] < rxr> esden: I know that it is buggy C++ ...
[16:36] < rxr> the source is defect.
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[16:37] < esden> nope ... it is a gcc problem ... If you can tell me how to fix the bug in wvstreams not fixing gcc then tell me you will get a symbolic price of 3.75 eur
[16:38] < rxr> esden: ok. I just powered on my gcc32 laptop ...
[16:38] < esden> good
[16:38]   Mike1 away
[16:38] < esden> you can email me
[16:38] < esden> modem is expensive
[16:38] < esden> cu guys
[16:39] < _NULL> by esden
[16:42] < armijn> ok, am off
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[16:52] < Mike1> re
[16:57]   barthel crashed... power down... libc6 damaged :( no journ. fs... return to start :(
[16:58] < rxr> qhm
[16:58] < _NULL> hi barthel. still compiling? 10 beeps?
[16:58] < rxr> wvdial compiles with a 4 and 1/2 line patch just created by me ...
[16:59] < barthel> _NULL: no :( rebuild me mashine... libc6 and other are damaged by powerlost
[16:59] < Mike1> _NULL: sure he even made a fix now in stead if 10 beep it does...
[16:59] < Mike1> while [ 1 = 1 ] ; do
[16:59] < Mike1> echo -en \\007 ; sleep 1 ; echo -en \\007 ; sleep 1
[16:59] < Mike1> done
[17:00] < _NULL> barthel: uh. dammit. that suckz
[17:00] < barthel> yep :,(
[17:00] < _NULL> Mike1: *argh*
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[17:23] < rolla> https://www.theonion.com/onion3836/riaa_sues_radio_stations.html
[17:24] < huebi> <<
[17:24] < huebi> re
[17:24] < Mike1> hi huebi
[17:24] < huebi> hi Mike1
[17:25] < _NULL> moin huebi
[17:25] < huebi> hi _NULL
[17:25] < _NULL> huebi: how are you ?
[17:25] < barthel> hi huebi
[17:26] < huebi> _NULL: fine. Just tested our new car ;-)))
[17:26] < Mike1> huebi: i am going to modify vim.conf now
[17:26] < huebi> Mike1: yes, do i. ;-)
[17:26] < huebi> +t
[17:26] < huebi> hi barthel
[17:28] < _NULL> huebi: *g* what car?
[17:28] < huebi> '98 BMW 325tds touring
[17:29] < Mike1> huebi: nice!
[17:30] < huebi> Mike1: Yes it is. I have big fun with it.
[17:30] < Mike1> i am definitly sure you do :)
[17:30] < blindcoder> rolla: sw33t... the problem is that I think RIAA is really actually up to something like that :)
[17:30] < rolla> :)
[17:30] < rolla> huebi sweet car
[17:31] < Mike1> Checking in base-config/vim/vim.conf;
[17:31] < Mike1> /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/base-config/vim/vim.conf,v  <--  vim.conf
[17:31] < Mike1> new revision: 1.7; previous revision: 1.6
[17:31] < Mike1> done
[17:31] < Mike1> ok guys we now use vim defaults cp lines have been removed
[17:32] < rolla> huebi: you like bmw's ?
[17:32] < blindcoder> good thing :)
[17:32] < huebi> rolla: Yes. and really fast. here on the "Autobahn" I got it to over 200km/h (130mph)
[17:32] < rolla> you suck
[17:32] < rolla> I have 2001 325ci
[17:32] < rolla> my wife has 2002 325i
[17:32] < rolla> very good cars
[17:32] < huebi> rolla: Yes, I do.
[17:32]   blindcoder has a nice Seat Ibiza and is happy with it :)
[17:32] < rolla> but you get to buy nice desil
[17:33]   [anders] is getting a '96 VW Golf VR6 in about three weeks...
[17:33] < rolla> you people in europe get to buy all the nice cars :(
[17:33] < huebi> rolla: Yes, they are. Much better than Mercedes
[17:33] < rolla> ja and cost less
[17:33] < rolla> I want a 330d
[17:33] < blindcoder> okay, I'm off for the rest of the day.
[17:33] < blindcoder> bye
[17:33]   Mike1 got mountain bike :)
[17:34] < [anders]> A 330d would be really nice, they are a tad expensive here in UK though..
[17:34] < rolla> in UK everything is expensive
[17:34] < huebi> In about 4 months I'm going to bye a 740iLA. The long version. It will cost about 13000 EUR.
[17:34] < [anders]> but best of all would be a M3.. I can not afford the insurance however..
[17:34] < rolla> you guys pay 30% over what the rest of the world pays
[17:35] < rolla> what year ?
[17:35] < [anders]> rolla: tell me about it..
[17:35] < huebi> 1996- 1998
[17:35] < rolla> yes a M3 would be nice but I don't have the 52K (US) to buy it
[17:35] < rolla> sweet
[17:35] < rolla> if I went to canada it would cost 40k (US)
[17:36] < rolla> BMW NA sucks the big one for pricing :(
[17:36] < huebi> rolla: Bye a used one even from Europe. These Sportscars loose 30% in the first year.
[17:38] < rolla> yeah but the shipping would be hell
[17:38] < rolla> plus getting is federalized would kill it
[17:41] < huebi> sometimes there are also use BMWs avaliable with US specs here in germany
[17:41] < rolla> yeah but still shipping hurts :(
[17:41] < rolla> oh well enjoy your nice car
[17:42] < Mike1> eupean bmw's kick ass
[17:42] < Mike1> european even
[17:44]   [anders] has a friend who is thinking about putting NOS in his old M3. (from the 80's sometime.)
[17:44] < Mike1> COOL
[17:45] < rolla> NOS kills cars
[17:46]   rolla has to call england
[17:47] < huebi> [anders]: I've broken about 6 engines with NOS. If he has much money he can do that but it's something only for dragsters.
[17:47] < rolla> yes
[17:48] < huebi> I got about 5 times the power out of the engine after I broke the 5th one *g*
[17:49] < huebi> The compression rate had to go down to 1:6 to 1:7 instead of 1:10 to 1:12
[17:49] < rolla> grin
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[18:05] < rolla> qt takes forever to build
[18:05] < barthel_> re
[18:07] < Mike1> rolla ack
[18:08] < Mike1> rolla qt stage 5?
[18:09] < [anders]> qt takes about 45 minutes for me on a XP1900+ with 512MB RAM
[18:10] < Mike1> arrgg
[18:18] < rolla> yeah
[18:21] < [anders]> hometime.. will work on Evolution this weekend.. Sunday probably..
[18:22] < Mike1> [anders]: btw i am consuming a little of ur bandwidth
[18:22] < Mike1> getting ur latest iso
[18:22] < Mike1> i am moving more extensions to base today
[18:22]   [anders] noticed.. latency is baaaaaad..
[18:22] < Mike1> and including gnome2 extension to rock-.1.5.19
[18:23] < Mike1> sorry but i will finish fast
[18:23]   [anders] adding QoS and traffic shaping to ToDo list..
[18:23] < Mike1> :)
[18:23] < Mike1> hehe
[18:23] < Mike1> mmm 11k
[18:24] < Mike1> it will take me all day
[18:24] < Mike1> ah well
[18:24] < Mike1> :P
[18:48] < huebi> 18:23  * [anders] adding QoS and traffic shaping to ToDo list.. <- Noew in the new default kernel configuration.
[18:51] < Mike1> huebi: cool
[18:51] < Mike1> huebi: have you commit the new kernel stuff?
[18:56] < rolla> qt still sucks
[18:56] < Mike1> hehe
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[19:16] < rolla> bye Null
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[19:19] < _NULL> re
[19:20]   barthel_ <- come back in 3h
[19:21]   barthel_ is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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[19:23] < Mike1> hi Stephen
[19:24] < litost> hey Miguel, how are you?
[19:24] < Mike1> i am great thanks ! :)
[19:24] < Mike1> and you?
[19:24] < litost> awesome!...can't wait to leave work :)
[19:24] < Mike1> hehe
[19:25] < Mike1> partying tonight?
[19:25] < litost> nah, probably not.  i'm a little low on cash
[19:25] < litost> so i think i'm gonna stay home and try to spend some time learning opengl :)
[19:25] < Mike1> ah well you stay on and study about sparc v9 :)
[19:26] < litost> that too!
[19:27] < litost> i have this idea of creating some insanely threaded opengl app to benchmark the new nptl
[19:28] < Mike1> 0_o
[19:48] < esden> hi all
[19:49] < _NULL> rehi esden
[19:49] < rxr> hi esden
[19:49] < rxr> you read the mail ? ;-)
[19:49] < Mike1> re esden
[19:49] < esden> not yet
[19:49] < esden> moment
[19:50] < esden> ok ... that is what I meant ... the const value
[19:50] < esden> ok ... I recognized that too ... but it looks more like gcc is ignoring the const value ... otherwise it would bring an error
[19:51] < esden> or am I wrong ?
[19:51] < rxr> esden: this is only the second "big" C++ bug in gcc-3.2 ...  - and it suports many many many more ANSI C++ features ...
[19:52] < rxr> esden: the g++ seems to be unable to sort the signature into the right place in the namespace ...
[19:52] < esden> hehe ... I have not said that gcc-3.2 is bad ... i said that it is buggy ... otherwise such big bugs would not appear
[19:52] < esden> ;-)
[19:52] < rxr> it is not a BIG bug ...
[19:52] < esden> yes that is what I thought too
[19:52] < esden> ok .. ok
[19:53] < esden> not a big bug ... a bug ;-)
[19:53] < rxr> ack
[19:53] < esden> I am not really familiar with the gcc code ... and I had no time to review this
[19:53] < esden> otherwise I would fix it
[19:53] < Mike1> https://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/04/virus.bugbear/index.html
[19:54] < rxr> currently the GCC people rewrite the whole C++ parser because they concluded that with the current one they will never be able to fix all of such little subtele bugs ..
[19:54] < esden> I have also downloaded the cvs version of 3.2
[19:54] < esden> there is no fix
[19:54] < esden> and in the bugtracker there is no mention abouth this
[19:54] < esden> aha ... I did not know that ...
[19:55] < esden> so let them rewrite it ... and when they are ready we can use it in productive use
[19:55] < esden> namely 1.5 1.6
[19:55] < rxr> it is not yet in the official bruch ...
[19:55] < esden> in 1.7 it is other thing ... 1.7 is devel ... so we also can use unstable tools
[19:56] < rxr> the rewrite will be merged in a future version
[19:56] < esden> yes .. so as you said ... they can not fix all bugs till they rewrote the parser
[19:56] < rxr> the gcc-3.2 is stable (with the usual tiny bugs ... - but much more stable then 2.95.3 ...)
[19:56] < esden> hmm ... I never had such problems with 2.95.3 ... sorry ...
[19:56] < rxr> but remeber that gcc-2.95.3 has many more bugs and tons of missing features ...
[19:57] < esden> hmm ... ok ...
[19:57] < rxr> esden: let me guess - you never used C++ seriously ?
[19:57] < rxr> when Valentin and I developed the basics of GSMP - we had ro work around a bug after another ...
[19:57] < esden> nope ... I did not have to ... but all programs that use C++ are currently running without problems with 1.95.3
[19:58] < esden> i mean 2.95.3
[19:58] < esden> but they break with 3.2
[19:58] < rxr> wow - they are developed with 2.95.3. But when you compile the programs with 3.x or an commercial compiler you have to fix much , because gcc-2.95.3 is not ANSI C++
[19:58] < esden> that is prooven ... in the example I showed you ...
[19:59]   barthel_ is back (gone 00:38:39)
[19:59] < esden> and the fix you are bringing me ... is a plug the whole fix ... not make the whole dissapear
[19:59] < rxr> it simply does not use the correct syntax - that is why you have (e.g.) modify all the friend and template definitions ...
[20:00] < rxr> esden: sure it is a work-around. But all the existing programs already have many of such things to make the code work with 2.95.3 ...
[20:01] < esden> hmm ... ok ...
[20:01] < rxr> in GSMP we even had many GCC_SUCKS_XYZ classes which worked around bugs ..,.
[20:01] < esden> I will use this workaround ... for now ... and try to see if I find the right place in gcc3 to fix it ...
[20:02] < esden> if you could me help with this I would really appreciate ... I do not want to discuss something that does not need a discussion
[20:02] < esden> what we have to do ... is to fix the problem the one way or another ...
[20:02] < rxr> esden: we both might not know enought of gcc internals.
[20:02] < esden> yes ...
[20:03] < esden> so perhups ask the gcc developers ?
[20:03] < esden> what do you think ?
[20:03] < rxr> the best would be to write a simple code fragment which can reproduce this and put it into the bug-tracking system of GCC ...
[20:03] < fake> hi
[20:03] < esden> i started with this ... but I am not finished yet ... had another things to do
[20:04] < esden> hi fake
[20:04] < _NULL> moin fake
[20:04] < barthel_> hi fake
[20:04] < rxr> esden: i can do this
[20:04] < Mike1> 0_o fake
[20:04] < Mike1> hi fake :)
[20:05] < esden> cool ...
[20:05] < esden> then I really owe you the 3.75 eur ;-)
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[20:05] < esden> you will get them when we see eachother on 19C3
[20:05] < rxr> ;-)
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[20:06] < rxr> I'll try to write such a sample after the tagesschau ...
[20:06] < barthel> re :/ no my day ;/
[20:06] < esden> kk ;-)
[20:06] < esden> please send it to me too
[20:06] < rxr> sure
[20:06] < esden> only for my archives ;-)
[20:06] < esden> or better ... _protocol_ ;-0
[20:07] < rxr> in the GNATs og gcc you still find a unfixed bug from valentin and me from one or two years ago ;-)
[20:08] < esden> urgh ...
[20:08] < esden> these guys ... do not fix everithing ... if I see it correctly ;-)
[20:09] < rxr> no - the current parser sucks so much that it is ont easyly fixable
[20:09] < _NULL> aszlig: fertig mit kopieren und server online?
[20:09] < rxr> we already got 2 or 3 mails like: "Tested ... Still present in current CVS HEAD ..." ...
[20:09] < esden> hmm ... I hope the new one will be better ...
[20:09] < _NULL> aaeh. sorry. wrong window...
[20:10] < aszlig> _NULL: not yet
[20:10] < rxr> esden: the current is bison - the new one will be self-written C ...
[20:10] < _NULL> aszlig: when do you think that it will be finished?
[20:10] < esden> aha ... so bison sux ... am I right ?
[20:11] < rxr> hm - it is old and could be better. It sucks not completely. But for big/complex parsers it sucks. Yes. ;-)
[20:11] < aszlig> _NULL: it is already booting ;)
[20:11] < Mike1> _NULL: when will the coffee be ready?
[20:12] < _NULL> Mike1: never.
[20:12] < _NULL> aszlig: ok ;) do you know if the disconnect this night was caused by the problem you had with the server or was it caused by too much load of my ssh-connection?
[20:12] < esden> no esden ... no ... you will not start a flamewar ... >_< (talking about the vi/vim thread)
[20:16] < aszlig> _NULL: too heavy load ;)
[20:16] < _NULL> aszlig: uah. i just did "make install"... but how can i install postfix if i can't execute this command, please?
[20:17] < esden> lool ...
[20:17] < esden> aszlig: have you overclocked the machine ... ???
[20:18] < _NULL> esden: why overclocked? ;)
[20:18] < aszlig> esden: *lol* how do i overclock an uml?
[20:19] < esden> lool ...
[20:19] < esden> an overclocked uml ... otherwise ... it is inpossible that you bring a box down because of heavy load ...
[20:19] < esden> or something is really wrong
[20:19] < esden> bug in uml ?
[20:19] < aszlig> esden: it is possible
[20:20] < esden> is it so unstable ?
[20:20] < aszlig> esden: nope
[20:20] < esden> but not with a make install ... sorry
[20:20] < aszlig> esden: i activated selinux in the host-sys
[20:20] < esden> ahh ...
[20:21] < aszlig> and uml runs as unprivileged user
[20:21] < esden> hmm ... I think that it is stupid to send a patch for two typos ... :-/
[20:22] < esden> aszlig: yes I know what uml is ;-)
[20:22] < esden> you would be pretty stupid to run it as root ;-)
[20:23] < aszlig> *fuck*
[20:24] < aszlig> something is wrong with the tuntap-device
[20:24] < aszlig> s
[20:24] < esden> ?
[20:24] < esden> humm humm ...
[20:24] < esden> ahh ... coooooool .... I have a solution for snyke !!!!
[20:24] < aszlig> _NULL: sorry, i'll fix it when i'll bbl
[20:25] < esden> *jumparound*
[20:25] < aszlig> esden: ?
[20:25] < esden> and for bchat """"
[20:25] < esden> !!!!
[20:25] < aszlig> esden: ah ;)
[20:25] < _NULL> aszlig: oki. thx.
[20:25] < esden> hehe ... aszlig ... you are my god ;-)
[20:25] < esden> why did I not think about it before ???
[20:25] < _NULL> esden: *lol*
[20:25] < aszlig> esden: why didn't you ask me before?
[20:26] < esden> hmm ... sorry aszlig ... will do next time
[20:26] < aszlig> esden: thx ;)
[20:26] < esden> hihi ... I have a use for uml *jumparound*
[20:26] < aszlig> esden: great ;)
[20:26] < esden> so I have something geeky to play around with !!!
[20:26] < esden> hehe ;-)
[20:27] < fake> esden: don't geek around on a production systewm
[20:27] < fake> -w
[20:27] < aszlig> esden: do you want a 1gb image af uml-rock?
[20:27] < aszlig> fake: ey! thats uml!
[20:27] < fake> is it up and running fast enough so nobody notices it?
[20:28] < fake> think reboot.
[20:28] < esden> fake: *GGG* the right one says something like this ;-)
[20:28] < aszlig> k, have to go...
[20:28] < aszlig> c'ya later ;)
[20:28] < fake> well, yes. bye.
[20:28] < esden> aszlig: how fast is uml ?
[20:28] < esden> ok ... bye ... aszlig
[20:29] < aszlig> esden: it runs quite well on my p100 router with 32 meg ram ;)
[20:29] < esden> fake: we will se when it is running on apollo ... ;-)
[20:29] < aszlig> hehe :>
[20:29] < fake> "quite well" sounds intersting
[20:29] < aszlig> ;)
[20:29] < aszlig> k, c'ya
[20:29] < fake> esden: what would it be good for?
[20:30] < esden> fake: snyke ... and others that want to hook up on apollo
[20:30] < esden> I prefere that they work on their "own" machine ;-)
[20:31] < esden> I am really interested how stable it is ... that could be a problem ...
[20:31] < esden> I have enough time to think about it ... till I am back in germany
[20:31] < fake> esden: fine, but do we NEED it, or do we WANT it?
[20:31] < esden> we need it ... fake
[20:32] < esden> and we want it ...
[20:32] < esden> because so we can gain more security ... hopefully more securiti... if it prooves itself
[20:32] < huebi> tach esden
[20:32] < esden> hi huebi
[20:32] < fake> snyke-does-not-need-an-account-on-apollo-for-any-noticeable-reason!
[20:32] < fake> hi huebi !
[20:33]   esden rewinds his thinking casette ... and plays once more ...
[20:33] < esden> yes you are right fake
[20:34] < esden> but if he has a reasonable reason ... I have a solution
[20:34] < huebi> hi fake
[20:34] < rolla> Fake
[20:35] < fake> hi rolla!
[20:35] < esden> but we have to fix the freaking bug in bchat ... >_<
[20:35] < fake> we have to fix that freakin' bchat in that bug... err.. nevermind ;)
[20:36] < esden> crash tryed to and faild .. now he is rewriting bccs ... with linked lists ... writing the linked lists code by himself ...
[20:36] < esden> *no-comment*
[20:37] < esden> yes freakin' ... thanks
[20:37] < fake> :P
[20:39] < snyke> what?
[20:39] < snyke> i dunno need apollo...
[20:39] < snyke> NEVER
[20:39] < snyke> ARGH
[20:39] < snyke> look at my hostmask :)
[20:40] < snyke> I DONT NEED THAT APOLLO
[20:40] < huebi> snyke: Do you need zeus?
[20:40]   fake needs some aphrodite
[20:40] < huebi> hehe
[20:41] < snyke> no.
[20:41] < barthel> fake: ;)
[20:41] < snyke> eros is rul0r
[20:41] < esden> he seems to be angry ... :-/
[20:42]   snyke is
[20:42] < fake> face the facts..
[20:43]   snyke will never restart that bchat
[20:43] < snyke> should be down for masses of hours
[20:43] < snyke> incredible high times
[20:43] < snyke> 25hours a day
[20:44] < fake> snyke: WHAT - DO - YOU - NEED - IT - FOR ?
[20:45] < esden> ok ... I have to go ...
[20:45] < esden> cu guys ...
[20:45] < barthel> cu esden
[20:45] < _NULL> bye esden
[20:46] < fake> cu esden
[20:52] < fake> snyke: i still have no answer. i count that as zero.
[20:56] < th> how to match a line by e.g. grep that contains a word twice?
[20:56] < th> something like: "<td><a name="env" href="env">"
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[20:57] < th> hey regexp-gurus wake up!
[20:57] < fake> <- regexp-lamer
[20:57] < fake> sorry.
[20:59] < huebi> 'name="env"*href="env"'
[20:59] < huebi> oda so...
[20:59] < th> huebi: ich will die zeile aber auch, wenn das wort nicht "env" heisst
[21:01] < fake> und nicht name= oder href= ?
[21:01] < fake> <- suggests human intelligence
[21:02] < th> fake: naja, dass die worte href oder name sind koennen wir ausschliessen
[21:02] < th> bzw.
[21:02] < th> nein
[21:02] < th> name und href sind ja nicht in quotes
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[21:05] < _NULL> re
[21:06] < th> [^"]*"\([^"]*\)"[^"]*"\1"[^"]*$
[21:06] < th> !!!
[21:07] < th> yeah yeah yeah
[21:07] < Mike1> hi th
[21:07] < th> hi Mike1
[21:07]   Mike1 away having lunch
[21:08] < rxr> esden: still here
[21:08] < rxr> ?
[21:10]   barthel videoconference with a DAU customer :/
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[21:23] < th> echo foo | read bar
[21:24] < th> that doesn't work
[21:24] < th> strange
[21:25]   th is confused.
[21:26] < rolla> does anyone know how to get rid of an ntfs mbr ?
[21:27] < th> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdxy bs=512 count=1
[21:28] < huebi> th ack
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[21:37]   barthel is away: I'm busy or sleep or whatever ;)
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[21:53] < rolla> okay thanks th
[22:09] < snyke> re
[22:13] < rolla> hey th that didn't work
[22:13] < rolla> mount still thinks the partition is ntfs
[22:15]   rolla wonders where his bulk magnate is
[22:20] < th> hmm
[22:20] < th> what command did you enter?
[22:21] < rolla> d if=/dev/zero of=/dev/discs/disc0/disc bs=512 count=1
[22:21] < rolla> s/d/dd/
[22:21] < rolla> then I fdisked it
[22:21] < rolla> then mkfs it
[22:21] < th> perhaps you should of to your partition
[22:22] < th> use -t ext2 to mount it
[22:22] < rolla> okay I shall
[22:22] < th> and you should dd to the partition not to the disc
[22:26] < rolla> ah okay
[22:26] < rolla> adding the -t worked I guess I should have tried that sooner
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[23:13] < holyolli> hi
[23:14]   holyolli is now back in live - i
[23:14] < holyolli> have internet..! ;-)
[23:14] < Mike1> holyolli: welcome :)
[23:14] < holyolli> hi Mike1 :)
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[23:51] < Mike1> bye all
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