-!- Irrsi  Log opened Mon Oct 14 00:00:30 2002
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[00:25] < aszlig> re
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[01:33] < tsa> n
[01:33] < tsa> 8
[01:33] < tsa> .
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[08:27] < acm_scl> nite ppl
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[09:30] < blindWorker> morning
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[09:46] < LocalHero> Wahoo, anybody have any isos, now i have 80gb free on my drives :)
[09:49] < blindWorker> hmm... I've one lying around at home
[09:50] < blindWorker> two, to be exact... even one for 486SX :D
[09:50] < blindWorker> hi btw. :)
[09:51] < LocalHero> blindWorker, hi, wow, greate, could you send it to me?
[09:52] < blindWorker> sure, just tell me where to put 'em :)
[09:53] < LocalHero> blindWorker, hmm, maybe i should create a secret upload dir :). The easiest way is if you could put up an ftp or www server and i download it from you :)
[09:54] < blindWorker> Hmm... I _have_ both running at home... but... https://scavenger.homeip.net/mrtg  <-- the upper left image shows my bandwidth consumption... blue is upstream with a maximum upstream of 16 kB/sec...
[09:55] < blindWorker> Hmm... or...
[09:55] < blindWorker> I put it on the webserver and your just wget -c it... I think that's the best thing to do...
[09:55] < blindWorker> test... test...
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[09:56] < blindworker2> grmpf...
[09:57] < blindworker2> I put it on the webserver and send you the link
[09:58] < LocalHero> blindWorker, sounds like a nice plan :)
[09:58] < blindworker2> or... hmm... wait a minute...
[09:58] < LocalHero> 16/kB/sec, autch, that is not much, what kind of connection is it?
[10:01] < blindworker2> Telekom-DSL
[10:01] < blindworker2> it's a ADSL
[10:03] < LocalHero> blindWorker, oki
[10:06] < blindworker2> okay here goes:
[10:07] < blindworker2> https://scavenger.homeip.net/rock-ia32-i486-base+opt-1.5.19.iso
[10:07] < blindworker2> https://scavenger.homeip.net/rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.19.iso
[10:07] < blindworker2> They are CVS-Snapshots with a package or two added by myself (iceWM, kterm, xjdic)
[10:08] < blindworker2> about half a week old
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[10:10] < LocalHero> blindWorker, nice. Ok, they are on their way down. I will also create an admin account on the webpage so that you can put info on it
[10:10] < blindworker2> oops... wrong nick...
[10:10] < blindworker2> okay, thanks :)
[10:11] < LocalHero> blindWorker, you mean that they are 1.5.pre20?
[10:11] < blindworker2> for mail-address please use blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net
[10:11] < blindworker2> yup
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[10:11] < tsa> moin
[10:11] < blindworker2> Create-CD just put 1.5.19 in there...
[10:11] < blindworker2> moin moin tsa
[10:11] < tsa> hi blindworker2
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[10:12] < blindWorker> d'ouh... I should learn typing
[10:13] < tsa> *G*
[10:13] < blindWorker> or better: get a cup of coffee... brb
[10:14] < [anders]> narf narf.. morning all.. hope you all had a better weekend than I did.
[10:15] < blindWorker> [anders]: Well... had to go to meet my whole family... does that count as better?
[10:15] < LocalHero> blindWorker, whats your real name?
[10:26] < blindWorker> sure, why not? I could create a rough concept of what I think might be easier to use in finding the isos, for example
[10:26] < blindWorker> *argh*....
[10:26] < [anders]> blindWorker: depends if you like them or not..
[10:27] < blindWorker> okay, bye then
[10:28] < blindWorker> hmm...
[10:28]   blindWorker needs to get some work done now... I'll be gone for an hour or two...
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[10:40] < mati> good morning
[11:24] < huebi> Guten Morgen :-))
[11:26] < blindWorker> moin huebi
[11:26] < huebi> moin blindWorker
[11:26] < blindWorker> long time no see :)
[11:26] < huebi> 10 dayzs at least
[11:27]   huebi waiting for T-DSL and/or the new wavelan cards
[11:27]   blindWorker want WaveLAN, too >_<
[11:28] < mati> waiting for TDSL? I hope you have time enough ;)
[11:29] < tsa> huhu huebi!!
[11:29] < tsa> long time no se..
[11:29] < tsa> +e
[11:29] < huebi> huhu tsa
[11:29] < tsa> so how's things going?
[11:29] < tsa> ripclaw told me you got a new office?
[11:30] < huebi> fine. I have a very simple solution for linux*. Later more on that.
[11:30] < blindWorker> looking forward to it :)
[11:30] < tsa> hehe..ok
[11:30] < huebi> tsa: Yes, I have a new office but without Inder nett
[11:31] < tsa> huebi: that's sad.
[11:31] < blindWorker> has anyone experiences with the lingerd for Apache?
[11:31] < blindWorker> huebi: urgh.... that sucks... and needs to be changed :)
[11:32] < blindWorker> brb... boss coming...
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[11:32] < bluefire> Moin
[11:32] < huebi> moin bluefire
[11:34] < huebi> In the moment I'm building a nice multimediserver based on ROCK Linux
[11:36] < bluefire> huebi: what hardware base?
[11:36] < tsa> "multimediaserver"?
[11:36] < tsa> == lots of mp3's on samba? ;)
[11:37] < huebi> Athlon XP1800+, 512MB RAM, 2x 120GB Maxtor IDE, 5400RPM, RME GIGI 96&8 psd Soundcard *380( EUR.
[11:37] < huebi> tsa: ack
[11:37] < huebi> Warning - running *really* short on DMA buffers
[11:38] < tsa> hehe
[11:38] < huebi> What can I do against this "Warning - running *really* short on DMA buffers
[11:38] < huebi> "
[11:39] < tsa> you could ignore it.
[11:39] < tsa> or get scsi discs ;)
[11:39] < tsa> btw...
[11:39] < tsa> i'm still awaiting your invoice regarding the IBM crt..
[11:39] < huebi> tsa: It _is_ an scsi disk :->
[11:39] < tsa> huebi: urghs.
[11:39] < mati> what is the stable version at the moment? yesterday i downloaded rocklinux 1.6.0, it was marked as stable...
[11:40] < huebi> mati: there is no rocklinux 1.6.0
[11:40] < mati> thats why i ask
[11:40] < mati> moment plaese, i grep the ftp link
[11:41] < tsa> huebi: in this case: no idea; perhaps it's possible to tweak some dma options with echo 1 > /proc/somewhere/foo/bar
[11:41] < huebi> only perhaps drocklinux 1.6.0. But that is not something I would call stable
[11:41]   tsa never understood the idea behind drock.
[11:41] < tsa> i'd recommend staying with plain good old rock linux ;-)))
[11:41] < huebi> tsa: What date do you want to have on the invoice?
[11:42] < tsa> huebi: don't know, doesn't matter.
[11:42] < huebi> tsa: ack
[11:42] < huebi> mati:one moment...
[11:42] < tsa> huebi: somthiinhg in 2002 would be appropriate, /me thinks
[11:42] < mati> huebi: ups, i see it now, there is a rock and drock version
[11:42] < mati> sry *g*
[11:42] < tsa> ;)
[11:44] < mati> is there an iso version of the actually rocklinux distribution ?
[11:44] < blindWorker> okay, he's back
[11:44] < blindWorker> erm, gone
[11:44] < tsa> hehe
[11:44] < tsa> blindWorker: confused?
[11:44] < blindWorker> mati: iso.rocklinux.de
[11:44] < blindWorker> tsa: not more than usual
[11:44] < tsa> *GG*
[11:45] < mati> hui, iso.rocklinux.org is up, yesterday it was down, so i searched a mirror and get drock
[11:45] < mati> thx a lot
[11:45] < blindWorker> yeah it got new harddisks :)
[11:45] < blindWorker> no problem
[11:47] < huebi> The new (unofficial) master master mirror for ROCK Linux 1.5: ftp://stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de/pub/linux/rocklinux
[11:47] < huebi> I don't post it on the mailing list because of traffic restrictions
[11:48] < blindWorker> huebi: how much traffic do they grant you?
[11:49] < huebi> blindWorker: only a few GB But If I get rsync configured on that server ftp.tu-wien can mirror it, too.
[11:50] < blindWorker> sw33t
[11:51]   huebi now uses a 9GB SCSI disc instead of network :-))
[11:52] < tsa> *yawn*
[11:52] < blindWorker> hmm... that should speed things up a bit :)
[11:52] < tsa> huebi: did you ever design any kind of high-availability servers?
[11:52]   blindWorker needs an 80487 >_<
[11:53]   tsa looking for a good way to sync data between two servers..
[11:55] < blindWorker> tsa: put a 100MBit Ethernet Card into both, connect them with a CrossOver-Cable, and rsync using these cards :)
[11:55] < huebi> tsa: I can send a mail to the list with my experiences with HA under ROCK Linux. But firstthe mp3/mpeg server must be finished
[11:56] < blindWorker> o_0 Why is there mpg123 on my e10k ??
[11:56] < huebi> tsa: www.linux-ha.org is a good start for it.
[11:56] < huebi> e10k with sound option *g*
[11:57] < tsa> blindWorker: rsync doesn't work in this case..
[11:57] < blindWorker> huebi: hmm... I should do a `locate mp3` on this box...
[11:58] < blindWorker> tsa: hmm... that's bad
[11:58] < tsa> i have chroot-environments for about 500 domains...
[11:58] < tsa> -> lots of hardlinks
[11:59] < tsa> overall data is about 17gb
[12:00] < tsa> with rsync, the rsync process gets very big (1gb++) and renders both machines unusable
[12:00] < tsa> running separate rsync jobs for each chroot environment, i can't preserve the hardlinks..
[12:01] < tsa> rdist works, but it's terrible slow and doesn't support special files ( /dev... )
[12:02] < blindWorker> ouch...
[12:02]   tsa currently considers raid-1 with network block device, but i don't have any experience with this.
[12:02] < tsa> any kind of input welcome ;)
[12:02] < blindWorker> hmm... sick idea forming in mind
[12:02] < tsa> hehe
[12:03] < blindWorker> "Under UNIX everything is a file." + Network _File_ System = export /dev/whateverdriveyouwant && dd if=/dev/source of=/nfs/dest
[12:04] < blindWorker> I always wondered if I could nfs-export my CD-Writer
[12:04] < tsa> *G*
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[12:10] < th> Ge0rG: ping?
[12:10] < Ge0rG> th: pong
[12:10] < th> Ge0rG: du bist abwesend im ircnet?
[12:10] < Ge0rG> th: #magdeburg ist voll.
[12:10]   Ge0rG kommt nicht mehr rein
[12:10] < th> Ge0rG: sag doch was ;)
[12:10] < Ge0rG> th: wollt ich grad
[12:10] < th> Ge0rG: -l
[12:16] < huebi> th: moin.
[12:16] < th> moin huebi
[12:16] < th> huebi: lange nich gelesen
[12:16] < huebi> th: apache-vanilla hat ein "file not found" Downloadproblem
[12:16] < th> huebi: acknowledged. ich kuemmer mich drum
[12:16] < huebi> th: jo, so 10 tage...
[12:16] < th> huebi: urlaub gehabt?
[12:17] < huebi> noe, nur keinen Funktionierenden Linuxrechner mit tdsl
[12:17] < th> ahso
[12:18] < huebi> und muste vieeel autofahren. *g*
[12:21] < th> huebi: ich dachte ich haette schon auf 1.3.27 umgestellt. aber war wohl in der hektik alles nur mein eigenes webserver-script-gewusel
[12:24] < huebi> th achso
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[12:31] < th> huebi: updated and tested. 1.3.27 laeuft jetzt
[12:32] < huebi> th: klasse
[12:40] < tsa> hm..
[12:40] < tsa> irgendein cisco-mensch alive?
[12:46] < mati> ggf kann ich dir helfen
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[12:51] < tsa> ok...
[12:51] < tsa> 2mbit ueber x.21, an jedem ende c1603
[12:51] < tsa> brauch ich unbedingt ein transfernetz /30?
[12:52] < mati> mmmm
[12:52] < tsa> da es ja nur eine point-to-point-verbindung ist, muesste man die strecke doch eigentlich auch unnumbered fahren koennen, oder?
[12:52] < mati> eigentlich schon
[12:52] < mati> also es sollte reichen
[12:52] < tsa> hm...ok.
[12:52] < mati> damn, und ich dachte du fragst jetzt sachen wegen ner pix oder 800er series *g*
[12:52] < mati> aber es sollte klappen
[12:53] < mati> rein von der logik halt
[12:53] < tsa> dann teste ich das mal bei gelegeneheit
[12:53] < tsa> danke.
[12:53] < tsa> nee....
[12:53] < tsa> pix is komisch
[12:53] < tsa> (insbesondere bei (e)smtp)
[12:53] < mati> och, die ist schon ok, nur uebertrieben teuer...cisco halt
[12:54] < tsa> (das mailguard-zeug ueberschreibt emstp-kommandos mit XXXX, laesst smtp aber durch..
[12:54] < tsa> )
[12:54] < tsa> krank.
[12:54] < mati> welche version ?
[12:54] < mati> wir setzen die eigentlich nur zum vpn machen ein, nicht direkt als fw
[12:55] < tsa> hm...keine ahnung
[12:55] < tsa> komm auch grad nich drauf von hier aus.
[12:55] < mati> ist auch egal eigentlich ;)
[12:55] < tsa> hehe
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[12:56] < tsa> hm....vpn haben wir bisher mit 1700ern gemacht..
[12:56] < mati> wieso ziehe ich die iso von rocklinux mit TDSL mit ca 30 kbps und mit qsc bei 1250 kbps?
[12:56] < mati> also irgendwas stimmt da nicht
[12:57] < tsa> hehe
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[12:57] < mati> hat jemand rocklinux produktiv als Server im Einsatz ?
[12:57] < mati> dumme frage eigentlich, oder?
[12:58] < tsa> jupp ;)
[12:58] < tsa> huebi in groesseren mengen.
[12:58] < mati> das ist echt wichtig, ich spekuliere die FW der ARD damit zu ersetzen, probe es aber erstmal daheim aus
[12:58]   tsa hat ne ipsec-kiste mit rock-readonly in sueddeutschland..
[12:58] < mati> naja, ich teste es mal ne woche und dann model ich das mal um
[12:59] < tsa> oh, also was groesseres ;)
[12:59] < mati> deswegen frage ich auch
[12:59] < mati> das tolle an rocklinux ist ja das es so schoen schlank ist
[12:59] < mati> aber ich mag nicht die tolle apt-get dist-upgrade option missen =)
[13:00] < tsa> hehe...
[13:01] < tsa> unterhalt dich deswegen am besten mal mit huebi, der kann dir da wohl am besten was zu sagen.
[13:01] < mati> koennte man soetwas nicht auch fuer rocklinux entwerfen?
[13:01] < mati> ja gut
[13:01]   tsa geht jetzt erstmal den provider/arbeitsplatz wexeln ;-)
[13:01] < tsa> bis spaeter
[13:01] < mati> bis spaeter
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[13:08] < mati> ich werde dann auch mal ein wenig "arbeiten"
[13:08] < mati> ciao
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[13:25] < tsa> re.
[13:38] < huebi> hi tsa
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[13:49] < huebi> th: are the changes of zour apache in cvs?
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[13:51] < blindWorker> reeeeeeeeee-hi
[13:52] < LocalHero> Hi
[13:52] < LocalHero> Just a dumb question. Is re=hi?
[13:52] < blindWorker> something like that :)
[13:52] < blindWorker> rehi = hi, I've been gone and am back now :)
[13:52] < fake> hji
[13:53] < blindWorker> I usually use it after a brief away of about an hour or two
[13:53] < blindWorker> hi fake
[13:53] < blindWorker> fake.
[13:53] < blindWorker> fake> do you have my 1.7-iso with you?
[13:53] < fake> blindWorker: the one i deleted with ./scripts/Cleanup -full ?
[13:54] < fake> becausei thought it'd only delete the "default" configuration?
[13:54] < blindWorker> oh... yes exactly that one >_<
[13:55] < fake> err.... no? ;)
[13:55] < blindWorker> damn... well... have to compile it myself somewhen when there's some space again on my disks
[13:56] < fake> blindWorker: i'll build another p3 now, with the new glibc
[13:56] < fake> then - on that system, as soon as it is running - i will build one for p4
[13:57] < blindWorker> okay, thanks
[13:57] < LocalHero> ahh, more isos :)
[13:57] < fake> *lol*
[13:57] < LocalHero> Why cant i find any for mips or alpha? Powerpc?
[13:57] < blindWorker> fake: btw, the cd-writer still works, but the motor seems to be too dirty to start spinning it by itself
[13:57] < fake> LocalHero: because nobody built them?
[13:58] < blindWorker> LocalHero: for Alpha you have to kick esden :)
[13:58] < fake> for mips you have to kick debian
[13:58] < LocalHero> fake, hmm, well, it would be nice to run rocklinux on some old macs?
[13:58] < fake> then go m68k, not ppc *g*
[13:58] < blindWorker> aaah... that reminds me...
[13:58] < LocalHero> Ahh, hmm, but they are never here :(
[13:58] < LocalHero> fake, hmm, they are old g3 machines, isnt that powerpc?
[13:59] < blindWorker> have to write a fax regarding those Sun Ultra (noideawhichnumber)
[13:59] < fake> yes, but it's not _old_
[13:59] < LocalHero> hmm, must restart my windows, be back sone
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[13:59] < huebi> LocalHero: more isos are in work here. Also for sparc64, sparc and alpha
[14:00] < huebi> moin fake
[14:00] < fake> hi huebi !
[14:01] < huebi> I got a SparcStatio 10 from Ripclaw for the sparc port
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[14:01] < LocalHero> back :)
[14:02]   fake has an ss5 to play with
[14:05] < esden> hi all
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[14:05] < blindWorker> hi esden
[14:05]   blindWorker must not say what his Router is...
[14:06] < fake> hi esden!
[14:07] < blindWorker> brb... have to get this fax going
[14:08] < esden> ok ... i have a lecture at 16:00 ... till 16:45 ... then I can drive home >_<
[14:08] < esden> I love this fscking university ... and this university loves the fscking me >_<
[14:09] < blindWorker> esden> train?
[14:12] < esden> no ... car
[14:12] < blindWorker> :(
[14:12] < blindWorker> hmm..
[14:12] < huebi> tach esden
[14:12] < blindWorker> you could come to "Siemenswerke" and take me with you :)
[14:13] < esden> hi huebi
[14:13] < esden> blindWorker: ehhhmmm ... I do not know where it is ...
[14:13] < fake> and stop by TVS
[14:13] < esden> I do not know the way ...
[14:13] < fake> Reitmoorstr. 9 ;)
[14:13] < fake> but not before 1730
[14:13] < blindWorker> esden> hmm... other end of Munich if you are in Garching :D
[14:13] < fake> <- centre
[14:14] < esden> blindWorker: ok then forget it ...
[14:14] < blindWorker> esden> You know where Nos lives?
[14:14] < esden> fake: that is more possible ... but I do not think I want go go there ...
[14:14] < esden> blindWorker: yes I know
[14:14] < blindWorker> about two kilometers away from him :D
[14:14] < esden> but I would not find the way there ... with car
[14:14] < blindWorker> Mittlerer Ring --> Sendling
[14:15] < esden> :-/
[14:15] < blindWorker> and you're almost there :)
[14:15] < esden> yes almost
[14:15] < esden> that is not enough
[14:15] < blindWorker> esden> yes, you have to turn left twice  and drive about 150 meters
[14:15] < esden> blindWorker: you could come with tube to garching
[14:15] < esden> I could then get you from the station
[14:15] < esden> fake: you too ;-)
[14:16] < blindWorker> esden> if it is still in MVV-Ring 3
[14:16] < esden> blindWorker: I think yes ...
[14:16] < blindWorker> Okay... then I won't be there before 17:30
[14:16] < esden> urgh ... that is late
[14:16] < esden> ok ... we can try
[14:16] < fake> hm
[14:16] < blindWorker> hehe, nah I'll go by train
[14:17] < esden> I have not my cellphone here ...
[14:17] < blindWorker> after all I've two Mangas with me :D
[14:17] < fake> i quit work at 1730 and my ticket is only 2 zones
[14:17] < esden> fake: I think that is not enough
[14:17] < esden> blindWorker: ok then not ...
[14:17] < esden> :-P
[14:17]   blindWorker takes esden's tongue and pulls
[14:18] < fake> blindWorker: you have to go by train, or i won't get a place to sit ;))
[14:18] < blindWorker> fake: what's with christina?
[14:18] < fake> but i can't drive you to ingolstadt north today ;(
[14:18] < blindWorker> np
[14:18] < fake> blindWorker: i dunno. the longer the day the more she talks
[14:18] < blindWorker> *lol*
[14:21] < esden> lool
[14:21] < esden> who is christina ... when I may ask ?
[14:22] < fake> christina mann
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[14:22] < fake> i know her from katherl
[14:22] < fake> she visited it almost as long as i did - but she got her abi ;)
[14:22] < esden> aha ...
[14:22] < blindWorker> I've been in the same class as she... from 5 through 8
[14:23] < esden> hmm ... ok ...
[14:23] < esden> should I know her ?
[14:23] < blindWorker> hmm... don't think so
[14:24] < fake> blonde, not the very best shape, from wettstetten
[14:24] < esden> hmm ... ok ... so I do not know her ;-)
[14:25] < blindWorker> sounds as if you only know the most wonderful girls :D
[14:25] < fake> like whom?
[14:25] < esden> fake: like Gabriela ;-)
[14:25] < esden> *sabber*
[14:25] < blindWorker> ???
[14:26] < blindWorker> could you clarify that for me?
[14:26] < esden> blindWorker: I know her since I was 5 or so
[14:26] < esden> a very old friend ...
[14:27] < fake> the girl from poland?
[14:27] < blindWorker> hmm... "Sandkastenliebe" :D
[14:27] < esden> I met her as I have been in poland
[14:27] < esden> blindWorker: no I was not in love with her ...
[14:27] < fake> "we will go to tokyo u together... jaksoku?" *g*
[14:27] < esden> but she is the only girl that is beautifull and very inteligent that I know
[14:28] < fake> warsow university, in this case.
[14:28] < esden> fake: loool
[14:28] < blindWorker> fake> *Lool*
[14:29] < blindWorker> esden> hmm... that's rare nowadays
[14:29] < esden> blindWorker: ACK
[14:29]   blindWorker punching some memories out of his head
[14:30] < blindWorker> https://bchat.bingo-ev.de/blah.gif <-- How I look right now :D
[14:30] < LocalHero> blindWorker, hmm, your server seams to be down
[14:30] < blindWorker> LocalHero> seems like a T-DSL reconnect
[14:30] < LocalHero> blindWorker, oki :)
[14:32] < esden> leecher ...
[14:32] < blindWorker> just resume the download
[14:32] < blindWorker> esden> :P
[14:32] < blindWorker> okay, I can get the Ultra 5 :)
[14:32]   esden pulls blindWorker's tongue
[14:33] < fake> ./scripts/Build-CrossCC: eval: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[14:33]   blindWorker punches esden
[14:33] < blindWorker> fake> *LOL*
[14:33] < esden> lol
[14:33] < esden> fake: have fun ;-)
[14:33] < fake> I _HATE_ DEBIAN
[14:33] < esden> *ROFL*
[14:33] < fake> uname (coreutils) 4.5.2
[14:33] < fake> says:
[14:33] < blindWorker> esden> an Ultra 5 would make some sweet thing, don't you think?
[14:33] < fake> Linux jana 2.4.19 #11 SMP Mit Aug 21 15:01:13 CEST 2002 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[14:34] < fake> note the ()
[14:34] < esden> rofl
[14:34] < esden> hmm ... an what is /proc/cpuinfo saying ?
[14:34] < huebi> fake: a binary patch may help :->>
[14:34] < fake> that is from cpuinfo
[14:35] < fake> i will replace uname by a small shellscript...
[14:35] < blindWorker> Go away, or I will replace you with a very small shellscript :D
[14:35] < esden> guys you are ill ... but I like you ...
[14:36] < blindWorker> s/ill/sick/
[14:36] < esden> cool: https://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/13/1754204.shtml?tid=117
[14:36]   blindWorker will soon have a Sun Ultra 5 to play with
[14:36] < blindWorker> esden> want to play with me? :D
[14:36] < huebi> cu later. I go back to the office
[14:36] < huebi> wech..... Mathilda wecken
[14:37] < esden> cu huebi
[14:37] < esden> have fun
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[14:37] < esden> blender.org is /.'ed >_<
[14:37] < blindWorker> hehe
[14:37] < blindWorker> no surprise there
[14:38] < esden> I hate /. sometimes >_<
[14:38] < esden> blindWorker: have you read the /. apropos mail ?
[14:38] < blindWorker> jepp and I will reply as soon as I'm home
[14:40] < blindWorker> esden/fake> what about billiard on friday?
[14:40] < fake> hm...
[14:41] < esden> hm...
[14:41] < blindWorker> hm...
[14:41] < blindWorker> esden> btw. I didn't reach anyone in the Stadttheater..
[14:42] < blindWorker> hmm...
[14:42] < blindWorker> brb... going on the nerves of a co-workewr
[14:45] < blindWorker> back
[14:53] < esden> that is not good
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[14:54] < armijn> re
[14:55] < esden> re armijn
[14:55] < armijn> hi esden
[14:55] < armijn> wow, I got flamed by clifford
[14:55] < armijn> kewl
[14:56] < esden> armijn: lool
[14:56] < esden> armijn: you like it ...
[14:56] < armijn> nope, of course not
[14:56] < armijn> they don't like it that someone is trying to improve 1.5
[14:56] < armijn> and everyone should be using 1.7, which is unrealistic
[14:56] < fake> why?
[14:57] < fake> (just curious)
[14:57] < armijn> fake: well, because not everyone wants a development release
[14:57] < armijn> and prefer stable releases
[14:57] < fake> 1.5 is stable?
[14:58] < armijn> hey, I don't use ROCK, remember?
[14:58] < armijn> I just port it
[14:58] < esden> gosh ... I am so terribly stupid >_,
[14:58] < esden> I am sooo dumb ...
[14:58] < esden> argh
[14:58] < fake> armijn: me, too ;)
[14:58] < blindWorker> too... much... anime... on... hard... disk
[14:58] < esden> blindWorker: rm -rf /data/anime
[14:58] < esden> ;-)
[14:59] < armijn> I mostly use Solaris and FreeBSD, so...
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[15:00] < blindWorker> too... much... anime... on... hard... disk...
[15:00] < esden> blindWorker: rm -rf /data/anime
[15:00] < blindWorker> esden> you don't want me doing THAT, do you?
[15:00] < blindWorker> chattr +i /data/anime/* -R
[15:01] < blindWorker> D
[15:01] < esden> when I have not enough space on my harddisk for rock I would do it ;-)
[15:01] < armijn> ah well, it's easy for me
[15:01] < armijn> rm -rf /rock-linux >:->
[15:01] < blindWorker> esden> I _always_ have space for rock :D
[15:01] < esden> armijn: :P
[15:01] < blindWorker> armijn> I could delete /rock-isos
[15:01] < armijn> esden: I was refering to my work for ROCK...
[15:01] < blindWorker> after LocalHero has them, of course :D
[15:02] < armijn> I mean, I've got patches for 1.5.19 to make it build on UltraSparc successfully, but if they just want me to do it in 1.7...
[15:02] < esden> armijn: so useless ?
[15:02] < esden> ;-)
[15:02] < armijn> no, not useless
[15:02] < armijn> well, some people view it as useless
[15:02] < armijn> which is quite demotivating...
[15:02] < blindWorker> armijn> GIMME THAT PATCHES!!!!!
[15:03] < esden> armijn: I do not say that your work is useless ...
[15:03] < blindWorker> I'll get one of those babies soon...
[15:03] < armijn> well, rxr and clifford think so
[15:03] < esden> blindWorker: *grr*
[15:03] < blindWorker> esden> you may play with it too
[15:04] < blindWorker> esden> or can _you_ afford 500 Euro for it?
[15:04] < esden> armijn: hmm ... I am also wondering why you all are trying to port 1.5 to sparc ... and not 1.7 ...
[15:04] < blindWorker> you couldn't even afford 250 for the alphas, remember?
[15:04] < esden> but that is not me to decide such things
[15:04] < blindWorker> esden> because it is somewhat difficult to install 1.7 as of now...
[15:04] < armijn> esden: when I started with sparc, 1.7 was just starting and really immature
[15:04] < armijn> 1.5 was more stable at that time
[15:04] < armijn> and I didn't want to deliver an incomplete port
[15:05] < esden> armijn: I can imagine that 1.7 gets sooner stable then 1.5 ... but that is another thing ...
[15:05] < armijn> but now, *everytime* I want to fix something in 1.5, rxr starts "we already fixed that in 1.7", which is absolutely irrelevant for my work
[15:05] < armijn> and that pisses me off
[15:05] < esden> blindWorker: you can install it ... and the prort people are (normally) skilled enough to do it
[15:05] < blindWorker> then ignore him
[15:05] < esden> armijn: ACK
[15:05] < blindWorker> esden> hmm...
[15:06] < blindWorker> armijn> people will try to talk you out of something again and again, but when you have done it they are happy nonetheless
[15:06] < armijn> yeah well, I've been thinking of stopping with ROCK anyway
[15:07] < blindWorker> as of now, I would be happy to get those patches
[15:07] < blindWorker> armijn> you know that esden will haunt you if you do? :)
[15:07] < fake> armijn: i'd put it this way - if you enjoy the work, nobody will stop you - but you can't expect all roses.
[15:07] < armijn> so be it :)
[15:07] < armijn> fake: yeah, but I do get a lot of shit
[15:08] < esden> armijn: why are you doing the sparc port ? ... I do the stuff in rock because I like this ... not beause of other people ...
[15:08] < armijn> esden: Pjotr made me do it :)
[15:08] < armijn> yeah, but it is frustrating to hear all that crap over and over again
[15:08] < armijn> you see, for me ROCK is just about learning stuff about a distribution
[15:09] < armijn> that's all
[15:09] < fake> armijn: well, if that stops you from doing things you enjoy, maybe those things are not as enjoyable as you thought...
[15:09] < esden> in every community there are people that will tell you bad things ...
[15:10]   fake sees clifford's and rene's point, but also armijn's.
[15:10] < fake> so i keep quiet.
[15:10] < armijn> of course I know why they're saying it
[15:10] < esden> fake: did I say something ?
[15:11] < fake> esden: huh? no no
[15:11] < esden> good
[15:11] < armijn> seems like they don't get it...I'm doing a 1.5 port, so I don't need to know if it's already been done in 1.7
[15:11] < armijn> ah well, I will do sparc, alpha and maybe mips for 1.5
[15:11] < armijn> after that, I'm gone...
[15:11] < fake> mips in 1.5?
[15:12] < armijn> fake: why not?
[15:12] < fake> problem. you need gcc > 2.95.3 for that
[15:12] < armijn> fake: for the kernel?
[15:12] < fake> the kernel is one of the fews things that will compile with gcc-2.95.3
[15:12] < fake> but not much more
[15:12] < armijn> ah
[15:12] < armijn> ok, no mips then
[15:12] < blindWorker> glibc ?
[15:12] < armijn> can still do sparc and alpha
[15:12] < fake> glibc won't
[15:12] < esden> armijn: perhups they say it to tell you that you can take a look in 1.7 and backport it to 1.5 ?
[15:12] < blindWorker> wasn't there a funny problem with glibc and gcc 3.2?
[15:13] < fake> blindWorker: shut up
[15:13] < blindWorker> :-x
[15:13] < fake> *hrmpf*
[15:14] < esden> blindWorker: I think fake is in bad mood ...
[15:14] < armijn> esden: nah
[15:15] < armijn> esden: rxr keeps telling that we should use gcc3 for compiling kernels on sparc64, even though that's not the recommended kernel compiler
[15:15] < armijn> and I had lots of problems compiling kernels with it
[15:15] < blindWorker> esden> just about this topic :D
[15:15] < armijn> and am sticking to egcs64
[15:15] < esden> blindWorker: ACK
[15:15] < fake> gcc3 is the standard compiler for glibc 2.3...
[15:16] < armijn> well, if my kernels can't build with gcc3 but can be built with egcs64, it's simple
[15:16] < blindWorker> brb... have to translate something
[15:16] < esden> armijn: and what is the problem with that he is telling it to you ?
[15:17] < LocalHero> Why dont you build the kernel with one gcc and the rest with another?
[15:17] < esden> LocalHero: they are doing it ...
[15:17] < LocalHero> ahha :)
[15:17]   fake stops himself from saying "that is possible in 1.7"
[15:17] < esden> (iirc)
[15:17] < LocalHero> *lol*
[15:17] < armijn> esden: the problem is that he keeps telling it over and over again and completely ignores my arguments
[15:17] < armijn> yes, we're using two different compilers :)
[15:18] < fake> armijn: well, then don't listen to him.
[15:18] < esden> armijn: then ignore him too ... ?
[15:18] < LocalHero> Hmm, im confused.
[15:18] < armijn> esden: sometimes...usually I make him a bit angry to start with ;-)
[15:18] < armijn> then I ignore him :)
[15:18] < esden> lol ... armijn you are a bad boy ;-)
[15:19] < armijn> oh yeah :)
[15:19] < armijn> rxr is way too serious about things
[15:19] < fake> not if it comes to fixing gnome urls or keeping his pkg's up-to-date
[15:19] < fake> pango is broken since months
[15:19]   armijn whispers "sourceforge"
[15:19] < fake> a simple version-upgrade, and it compiles
[15:20]   esden stops himself
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[15:23] < esden> ahh ... I now have the blender sources ... I am very interested if I can compile it
[15:24] < esden> hmm ... I think I have to try it at home ...
[15:24] < esden> and blender is not able to run on a dualhea box >_<
[15:24] < esden> grr
[15:25] < armijn> not much stuff has changed over the last few weeks in 1.5 right/
[15:26] < esden> at least I have not heard much about 1.5
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[15:31] < Mike1> moin
[15:31] < fake> hi Mike1
[15:32] < esden> hi Mike1
[15:32] < Mike1> hi @ all
[15:32] < rolla> re
[15:35]   Mike1 watching armijn's patches ...
[15:38] < armijn> they're goood
[15:39]   Mike1 never said they were not
[15:39] < armijn> I know :)
[15:40] < armijn> but still, they're good :)
[15:40] < Mike1> *g*
[15:41] < esden> ok ... I am off
[15:41] < esden> be back in two or three hours
[15:41] < esden> cu guys
[15:41] < Mike1> cu esden
[15:44] < huebi> re
[15:44] < Mike1> MASTER HUEBI!!!
[15:44] < Mike1> welcome
[15:44] < huebi> cu esden
[15:44]   armijn afk
[15:44] < huebi> hi Mike1 :-))
[15:47]   huebi reading scrollback
[15:50] < th> huebi: yes. i tested it by scripts/Update it's from cvs
[15:51] < th> huebi: (see 13:49h)
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[15:55] < armijn> goodie.
[15:55] < huebi> th: ok, I'll update it, too
[15:55] < huebi> re armijn
[15:55] < armijn> and apply my patch
[15:56] < huebi> armijn: yes, just I apply it tonight and commit it to cvs tomorrow or wednesday.
[15:57] < armijn> test it as well
[15:57] < huebi> armijn: ack
[15:57]   huebi getting his mailbox home
[15:57] < armijn> might break x86 or so
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[15:58] < blindWorker> ree
[15:58] < huebi> armijn: doesn't matter. I'll test and fix it then.
[15:58] < armijn> ok
[15:58] < blindWorker> I hate translating from sweet understandable english into german DAU-Speak
[15:58] < armijn> huebi: what I did is disable the "selecting modules"
[16:00] < huebi> armijn: I made some tests without the linux autoconfiguration crapp. I just made a fully loaded .config for sparc64 and changed it till it compiled. That should be the best solution.
[16:00] < armijn> huebi: ok
[16:01] < armijn> you can also put that in CVS, instead of my patch
[16:01] < huebi> armijn: I fully agree with your opinion about Rene. I just ignore his flames and emails.
[16:01] < armijn> might actually be nicer
[16:01] < armijn> to have that instead of autoconfig
[16:02] < huebi> armijn: First I have a look at your patch than I decide what to do.
[16:02] < armijn> k
[16:02] < armijn> well, this worked for me, so...
[16:03] < huebi> armijn:
[16:03] < huebi> ROCK Linux must be easy!
[16:03] < armijn> so, what's difficult here then?
[16:04] < Mike1> define easy
[16:04] < blindWorker> SuSE aims to be "easy", too, y'know
[16:04] < armijn> for me it's easy
[16:05] < armijn> I will do two more ports of 1.5 (sparc and alpha) and then I'll switch to LFS
[16:05] < huebi> easy - understandable code for everyone.
[16:06] < blindWorker> huebi: hmm... I don't think so... some of cliffis code are _damn_ hard to understand without studying man-pages for several days
[16:06] < huebi> blindWorker: Very simple: This is just bad code.
[16:07] < Mike1> huebi: so what do you suggest ? re-writing the code ?
[16:08] < armijn> documenting it
[16:08] < huebi> Mike1: only some parts of it, not all.
[16:08] < huebi> Yes, and documenting it.
[16:08] < Mike1> armijn: you mean like adding 10 lines to just comment a line of code?
[16:08] < huebi> Mike1: ack
[16:08] < armijn> mike1: nope
[16:08] < Mike1> omg
[16:08] < armijn> that's overkill
[16:09] < armijn> but there should be some documentation
[16:09] < armijn> otherwise it's really hard to understand
[16:09] < blindWorker> hmm...
[16:10] < blindWorker> I think two lines of comment for a line containing several awks and or seds should be sufficient
[16:10] < armijn> yup
[16:10] < Mike1> i do believe there should be soem stuff documentated but the question is how specific is this going to be and what parts of the code would be commented
[16:10] < blindWorker> one line describing what it does and one line - maybe - with an example
[16:10] < huebi> To sell a computer controlled medical instrument in the USA you need to document _everything_. That means 10 time more work for documentation than for coding. But that is really overkill. At least for ROCK Linux.
[16:10] < armijn> it really took me a long time before I understood the 1.5 buildscripts
[16:11] < Mike1> i wouldnt like to see 10 - 15mb more on the rock srcs that are just comments
[16:11] < armijn> mike1: of course not! but some documentation would help
[16:11] < huebi> Mike1: I don't like that too.
[16:12] < huebi> to understand linux.conf you need to know at least 16 other scripts or configuration files. That is crapp!
[16:12] < Mike1> ok perhaps some "documentation standards" should be defined
[16:13] < Mike1> so we all can contribute and make sure there wont be some HUGE coments on the code
[16:13] < huebi> Mike1: fake suggested /usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle
[16:14] < Mike1> or even if we contribute for example to the ROCK Guide explaining stuff like what you just said about linux.conf
[16:14] < Mike1> yeah that would work for me :)
[16:14] < blindWorker> huebi: could you give me a brief summary of what documentation-style is suggested there?
[16:14] < armijn> mike1: working on the guide in spanish
[16:14] < blindWorker> I don't have a linux-box in reach...
[16:14] < armijn> ?
[16:15] < Mike1> armijn: yes but its going to take me a few more weeks :)
[16:15] < blindWorker> [sarcasm]The ROCK Linux Documentation Project[/sarcasm]
[16:15] < Mike1> blindWorker: actually it does exist already
[16:15] < armijn> mike1: already started?
[16:15] < tsa> "Read ther source, Luke!" ..
[16:15] < Mike1> armijn: yes 4 days ago
[16:16] < armijn> mike1: ah, ok, kewl...there's a part about sparc64 in there you know...
[16:16] < blindWorker> *LOOL*
[16:16] < Mike1> armijn: yes i have seen it already :)
[16:16] < blindWorker> oh... you mean the Rolling ROCK ?
[16:16] < huebi> blindWorker: keep your code easy. If not make a comment about _what_ it does and _why_ (and not how your code works)
[16:16] < Mike1> armijn: also i have been in touch with pj to make some imporvements as well
[16:17] < blindWorker> huebi> had a look at pz-config.sh ?? that mega-long-line-with-20-awk-and-sed ?? *g*
[16:17] < armijn> blindWorker: not the rolling rock
[16:17] < blindWorker> armijn: then I have missed something >_<
[16:17] < armijn> rock-doc-pr@rocklinux.org
[16:18] < Mike1> blindWorker: its not on the web but some of us have been working on this for years
[16:19] < huebi> blindWorker: I only know scrips/Puzzle. But clifford wrote some good comments for it. I still have to put them in cvs :(
[16:19] < blindWorker> Mike1: hmm... i see...
[16:19] < Mike1> guess one of the most significant works have been the ROCK Linux Guide by Pjotr Prins
[16:19] < Mike1> https://www.rocklinux.org/guide.html
[16:20] < Mike1> blindWorker: there is also an un-oficial project for porting rock to other languages than just english
[16:20] < Mike1> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html
[16:21] < blindWorker> hmm... should pay more attention to these things...
[16:21] < Mike1> huebi: i have been trying to get soem work around documenting scripts/Internal
[16:21] < th> strange. my dhcpd does not like "option option-150"
[16:21] < armijn> huebi: I did send you a few comments a few months ago...
[16:22] < armijn> $ROCK/Documentation/Developers/ROCK-SCRIPTS
[16:22] < huebi> armijn: The comments must be in the code.
[16:22] < armijn> ah
[16:23] < armijn> I'll push it on to Pjotr then...
[16:24] < Mike1> huebi: when are we going to have 1.5.20?
[16:25] < huebi> in the next days. I put in the simplyfied kernel configuration. In 1.5.21 there will be new Installation disks.
[16:25] < blindWorker> sw33t
[16:26]   Mike1 has been waiting 4 it so long :)
[16:26] < blindWorker> huebi: don't know if you already changed that, but what about having the Math_Emulation in the kernel per default for 386 and 486 Processors?
[16:26] < huebi> xfs will be in 1.5.20, too. :-))
[16:27] < th> "Ma  th_   Emulation" *blink*
[16:27] < huebi> blindWorker: good idea. I change that.
[16:27] < blindWorker> th> imagine, my old 486 doesn't have a coprocessor :)
[16:27] < blindWorker> huebi: thanks :)
[16:27] < th> blindWorker: even my old 386 has one
[16:28] < blindWorker> hmm... it's a Fujitsu-Siemens thing I have...
[16:28] < huebi> th: But you can't install ROCK Linux if not.
[16:29] < blindWorker> right: "No Co-Processor found and no Math Emulation enabled" IIRC
[16:35] < huebi> and Math Emulation will be disabled if a fpu is found.
[16:40] < armijn> ok, am off
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[16:50] < blindWorker> okay, I'll leave now, too. Time to go home :)
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[16:50] < fake> argh?
[16:50] < fake> NOW?
[16:50] < fake> bastard
[16:51] < Mike1> fake: ?
[16:51] < fake> he's on the same train that i am on later
[16:51] < fake> and i leave at 1730
[16:51] < fake> (thats in 40 minutes)
[16:52] < Mike1> lol
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[17:16] < [anders]> naaaarf!!
[17:17] < [anders]> for some unknown (and hugely irritating reason) my server at home rebooted (on its own) twice today...
[17:18] < Mike1> [anders]: ?
[17:18] < Mike1> got hacked?
[17:18] < [anders]> don't think so.. but once I get a stable ROCK release, I will be updating the box..
[17:19] < [anders]> I'll pull out the floppy and stick in a second HDD in it.. (More space.. :)
[17:19] < [anders]> there are IBM 100GB disks for £98 here in UK.. Which is a pretty good price..
[17:22] < Mike1> :) so get one
[17:23] < [anders]> I need a better setup at home.. The build box should be more or less off the net so the trojans in software doesn't become a problem.
[17:26] < [anders]> we have been discussing secure setups here as one of the guys here is very sharp on TCP/IP..
[17:29] < [anders]> Perhaps once I have moved to a bigger place I can get the space to set up a secure site..
[17:29] < [anders]> starting to get some of the hardware together..
[17:29] < Mike1> :)
[17:30] < [anders]> Thinking about getting a few bits together for a surf-station..
[17:31] < [anders]> in any event. going to go home now and get some sleep. I am shattered.
[17:32] < Mike1> n8 [anders]
[17:32] < [anders]> night night
[17:32] < tsa> cu [anders]
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[17:34] < d3mian> hi
[17:39] < Mike1> hi d3mian
[17:42] < d3mian> i think i could get over there wednesday.. if it is noy a prob
[17:42] < d3mian> @ Mike1
[17:42] < Mike1> *g
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[17:45] < Mike1> hi hackbard
[17:46] < hackbard> hi !
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[17:46] < hackbard> Mike1, syrx at my home atm, he wants me to remember u ... ;)
[17:46] < Mike1> hackbard: ack
[17:47] < Mike1> hackbard: d3mian told me
[17:50] < Mike1> hackbard: tell him to gimme 1/2 bit, and to drop me an email to mike@rocklinux.org to have his email addy
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[17:52] < hackbard> sure, i ll tell him
[17:52] < hackbard> how r u btw ?
[17:52] < hackbard> everythings fine with ur heart again?
[17:52] < Mike1> getting better and better with the days
[17:53] < Mike1> brb rebooting
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[17:53] < tsa> cu
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[17:56] < Mike1> re
[18:13]   Mike1 rebooting again brb
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[18:28] < netrunner> hello *
[18:29] < netrunner> one question: assuming drock binary has same struckture as pure rock, what is the recommended procedure to install additional progs from the cd? (I just untared them to the root, but there should be setup scripts somewhere, hey?)
[18:29] < d3mian> hi netrunner
[18:30] < d3mian> pkg-install / /cdrom/rock-$arch-../base-pkgs/my-pack.tar.bz2
[18:30] < netrunner> d3mian thx
[18:34] < d3mian> see the rest of tools of pkg-xxxxx (like pkg-remove, and some others)
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[18:35] < Mike1> re
[18:36] < rolla> re
[18:45] < esden> re hi all
[18:45] < d3mian> hi esden
[18:45] < esden> hi d3mian
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[18:50] < esden> hi rxr_
[18:52] < d3mian> hi rene
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[19:24] < armijn> re
[19:24] < [anders]> re armijn
[19:25] < [anders]> armijn: how's things?
[19:26] < armijn> could be better of course
[19:26] < armijn> I finally posted a patch for 1.5.19 so it builds on sparc64
[19:27] < armijn> huebi will either apply it, or remove the code it fixed in the first place completely
[19:27] < [anders]> armijn: hehe.. okay.. I should probably grab huebi's cvs and start applying it to the rock-gnome2 tree..
[19:28] < th> armijn: btw. have you ever had sound working on krups?
[19:28] < Mike1> [anders]: yes please do so
[19:28] < Mike1> wb armijn
[19:28] < th> hi Mike1
[19:29] < Mike1> hi th :)
[19:29] < [anders]> Mike1: I will do so.. it will be slow, and I will probably do a package at a time..
[19:29] < Mike1> [anders]: yeah no worries
[19:30] < [anders]> Mike1: had a look through the changes so far yet then?
[19:31] < esden> re armijn
[19:31] < Mike1> ack
[19:32] < [anders]> Mike1: bonobo-activation was starting to piss me off..
[19:32] < Mike1> good thing it works now ( i hope )
[19:32] < [anders]> I think I have it sussed now though. that .conf file _should_ take care of the silly index.sgml problem that has been breaking the build..
[19:33] < Mike1> eggcelent
[19:33] < Mike1> :)
[19:33] < [anders]> well, not installing the non-existant file in the first place should be the proper solution..
[19:33] < [anders]> I wonder why on earth they have that bit in the Makefiles when it clearly isn't working everywhere..
[19:33] < Mike1> i am currently digging on uml stuff i wanna get uml subdist working and then add the uml target to 1.7
[19:34] < Mike1> maybe because they are too lame to fix it?
[19:35] < [anders]> might be the case.. and good luck with the UML stuff. before I unsubscribed to the UML dev-ml, there was mentioning on there about the UML maintenance console.. So I guess there is a stand-alone tool to manage the uml..
[19:35] < [anders]> I think that was back around 2.4.7 or 2.4.8..
[19:35] < Mike1> i guess so
[19:36] < Mike1> btw that reminds me i must subscribe to the uml list :)
[19:38] < [anders]> I will probably look at the 2.5 kernels using UML..
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[19:40] < tcr> moin all
[19:41] < Mike1> moin tcr
[19:41] < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i will be needing some advices from you in the next days ( i am sure )
[19:42] < [anders]> heh.. I'll have to take a look at the UML stuff then to refresh my memory..
[19:42] < Mike1> yeah :)
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[19:44] < blindcoder> hi hi nud rehi
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[19:57] < esden> re blindcoder
[20:01] < blindcoder> re esden
[20:01] < blindcoder> esden: @home?
[20:05]   Mike1 is away: having an amazing lunch :)
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[20:06] < owl> tag
[20:06] < blindcoder> hi owly
[20:06] < owl> tach blindy
[20:06] < armijn> oh boy, it's owl again...
[20:06]   armijn feels he has to hug
[20:07] < armijn> can't...resist...hugging...
[20:07] < owl> armijn: omg. it's armijn again! *hide*
[20:07] < owl> hi armijn
[20:07] < blindcoder> armijn: just do it :)
[20:07] < owl> no!!!
[20:07] < armijn> I....can't...CONTROL IT! AARGH!
[20:07] < owl> armijn: ack. you are man. you can't control anything.
[20:09] < armijn> hey
[20:09] < armijn> I don't have to take that...
[20:09] < armijn> it's true, I'm a man...
[20:09] < armijn> and quite a nice one too :)
[20:09] < owl> armijn: no men are nice.
[20:10] < armijn> you don't know what you're missing
[20:10] < owl> armijn: i know that i will miss nothing
[20:10] < blindcoder> owl: so you want to say that I'm not nice?
[20:11] < armijn> owl: how do you know?
[20:11] < owl> blindcoder: you are man --> not nice
[20:11] < owl> armijn: i just know it. it's the experience, you know
[20:11] < blindcoder> owl: you, too, are man in the meaning of (hu)man
[20:12] < owl> of human. yes. but i'm not male - and that's the point ;P
[20:12] < armijn> owl: ever had a man?
[20:12] < owl> armijn: maybe
[20:12] < blindcoder> owl: like I said, I don't need to talk to you...
[20:13] < owl> blindcoder: sorry. you know - i'm the evil master of cyn...
[20:13] < blindcoder> damn it... my hard disk is defect...
[20:13] < blindcoder> owl: then please do it somewhere else.
[20:13] < owl> blindcoder: oh nice. what's wrong with your HD?
[20:13] < armijn> owl: ok, that counts as a no
[20:13] < blindcoder> bad sectors
[20:14] < armijn> owl: so, how do you know?
[20:14] < armijn> QED! HA!
[20:14] < owl> armijn: i didn't say no
[20:14] < armijn> :)
[20:14] < armijn> owl: you said maybe...
[20:14] < armijn> that counts as a no
[20:14] < owl> uhm... my pc smells burned... dammit!
[20:14] < rolla> Owl
[20:14] < owl> hi rolla
[20:15] < owl> armijn: then count it as "i don't wanna talk about personal stuff" ok?
[20:15] < armijn> I'll take that as a no as well
[20:17] < owl> armijn: no further comments
[20:18] < armijn> heh :)
[20:18] < owl> armijn: ;PPP
[20:19] < owl> armijn: tomorrow i will get my sweet new notebook which i ordered. that's much better than men (human)
[20:20] < esden> blindcoder: in wich packet is libGL ?
[20:20] < owl> hi esden
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[20:20]   tcr is listening to In Flames - Free Fall
[20:20] < blindcoder> libGL??
[20:20] < blindcoder> hmm...
[20:20] < blindcoder> moment
[20:20] < tcr> *!!!* *rock* *!!!*
[20:21] < d3mian> xfree86 ?
[20:21] < blindcoder> mesalib
[20:21] < armijn> owl: so, you'll watch pr0n on it, right?
[20:21] < d3mian> hi esden , owl , armijn , blindcoder , tcr
[20:21] < tcr> sers
[20:21] < blindcoder> hi d3mian
[20:21] < owl> armijn: *lol* just irda/serial/ericsson pr0n ;PPP oh, sweeeeeeeet ericsson t39m. i wanna fsck with it ;PPP
[20:21] < owl> hi d3mian
[20:22] < armijn> owl: ehr...
[20:22] < armijn> owl: wanna see my serial cable?
[20:22] < owl> armijn: *lol* no
[20:22] < armijn> no?
[20:22] < owl> armijn: no. for sure - no
[20:22] < armijn> tcr: In Flames?
[20:23] < armijn> owl: you don't know what you're missing...
[20:23]   armijn stops nagging
[20:23] < tcr> armijn: yes, that song is the currently best one in my playlist!!! ;P
[20:24] < armijn> tcr: I saw them life last friday
[20:24]   armijn listens to Annihilator
[20:24] < owl> armijn: do you have "alzheimer" ? you are repeating what you already said
[20:25] < armijn> owl: no, I'm just persistent
[20:25] < owl> armijn: s/persistent/annoying person *eg*
[20:25] < tcr> armijn: yo. They were crossing germany as well. But didn't get tickets ...
[20:26] < armijn> tcr: too bad
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[20:26] < _NULL> *grml*
[20:26] < tcr> what? they?
[20:26] < armijn> owl: I'm not annoying
[20:26] < armijn> tcr: you should have gotten tickets
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[20:27] < owl> wtf ist that? it hates me!
[20:27] < armijn> of course
[20:27] < owl> armijn: hm?
[20:28] < armijn> owl: of course it hates you
[20:28] < owl> armijn: thx a lot.
[20:28] < owl> now i feel much better. thx. for this compliment. can just come from a man
[20:29] < blindcoder> owl: and such a sentence can only come from a female
[20:29] < armijn> exactly.
[20:29] < owl> blindcoder: nope.
[20:29] < blindcoder> why don't you take your man-hating ambitions somewhere else?
[20:29] < armijn> now, let's forget about it and just hug
[20:29] < owl> blindcoder: hm? examples?
[20:29]   armijn feels some tension between owl and blindcoder
[20:29] < owl> armijn: no!
[20:29] < blindcoder> well, usually I'd say to your friends in real-life
[20:30] < armijn> could that be...attraction?
[20:30] < owl> blindcoder: friends? *searching*
[20:30] < blindcoder> armijn: definately: no
[20:30] < blindcoder> owl: as I said... usually...
[20:30] < armijn> owl: try google
[20:30] < blindcoder> *LMAO*
[20:30] < owl> blindcoder: ok. wait. fear owl on wednesday in train...
[20:31] < blindcoder> owl: why would you talk to a _man_?
[20:31] < owl> blindcoder: to tell him, how shitty men are
[20:31] < blindcoder> they never say something useful anyway, do they?
[20:32] < blindcoder> see? And I don't need that
[20:32] < owl> blindcoder: pah.
[20:32] < armijn> hehe
[20:32] < armijn> you'd make a nice couple >:->
[20:32] < blindcoder> I don't have to let someone with no friends in real-life tell me how "shitty" _I_ am
[20:32] < owl> armijn!!
[20:32] < d3mian> sure!
[20:32]   armijn grins
[20:33] < owl> blindcoder: why should i have friends? for what?
[20:33] < blindcoder> owl: exactly that is it, why I don't know, why I should talk to you when a friend of mine sits on the same waggon
[20:34] < owl> blindcoder: tja
[20:36] < armijn> heheh
[20:37] < d3mian> the destine points owl and blindcoder to a nice future together..
[20:37] < d3mian> ;-)
[20:37] < blindcoder> I don't even want to imagine how that would look like...
[20:38] < d3mian> cya!
[20:38] < owl> d3mian: don't talk  such stuff!
[20:38]   d3mian away eating
[20:39] < armijn> hehehehe
[20:39] < armijn> owl: deep inside you know that's what you want to
[20:40] < esden> humm ...
[20:41] < owl> esden: help me, please!
[20:41] < blindcoder> esden: my question... see private window
[20:41] < esden> yo
[20:41] < esden> hi owl
[20:41] < owl> hi esden.
[20:41]   esden is hearing radiostacja ;-) *jumparound*
[20:42] < esden> does someone have a realplayar plugin for winamp ? ;-)
[20:43] < armijn> ok, I'm going home
[20:43] < owl> bye armijn
[20:43] < armijn> but, first hug owl!
[20:43]   armijn hugs owl
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[20:44] < blindcoder> esden: take mplayer
[20:45] < blindcoder> it can play .rm s when given the realplayer librarys
[20:45] < esden> does he play the realplayer stream ?
[20:46] < esden> but this is .ram
[20:48]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:42:28)
[20:48] < Mike1> re
[20:48] < esden> re Mike1
[20:48] < d3mian> re Mike1
[20:48] < owl> re Mike1
[20:49] < Mike1> owly!
[20:49] < Mike1> i've heard some stuff about you and blindy getting together...
[20:49] < d3mian> esden: does winamp plays videos too ?
[20:49] < owl> Mike1: no!
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[20:50] < esden> d3mian: not that I knew ... but perhups there is a plugin ... dont know
[20:50] < esden> hi tsa
[20:50] < tsa> re
[20:50] < d3mian> k
[20:50] < Mike1> hi tsa
[20:50] < owl> tag tsa
[20:50] < tsa> hi owolita
[20:50] < tsa> hola Mike1
[20:50] < Mike1> owly but armijn said that you and blindy ...
[20:50] < owl> Mike1: he was just kidding
[20:50] < tsa> hehe
[20:50] < d3mian> dunt think so
[20:51] < owl> d3mian: !!!!!!
[20:51] < Mike1> owly ok if you say so
[20:51]   Mike1 hugs owl
[20:51] < owl> *grml*
[20:51] < owl> not again"
[20:52] < d3mian> does any of u know a cool translator?
[20:52] < d3mian> not in da www!
[20:52]   Mike1 hugs owly again
[20:52] < owl> www.translate.ru
[20:52] < owl> hmmm...
[20:52] < Mike1> d3bian babel.altavista.com
[20:52] < d3mian> not in da www!
[20:52] < tsa> "Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind.." (Terry Pratchett)
[20:53] < Mike1> d3mian: babel
[20:54] < blindcoder> "Have you seen all that exclamation marks? Sure sign of someone wearing his panties on his head..." (also Terry Pratchett) :)
[20:58] < esden> loool
[20:59] < esden> hmm ... too many o's ... :-/
[20:59] < esden> so I am also evil ...
[20:59] < blindcoder> nothing new there
[20:59] < Mike1> eevil eesdeen
[20:59] < esden> but I do not want to be ill like her !!
[20:59] < tcr> esden: lol+++++++ is much agreeable ;)
[21:00] < tsa> ++lol
[21:00] < tsa> ;)
[21:00] < tcr> much more
[21:00] < esden> tcr: yes that is better ;-)
[21:00] < esden> lol------
[21:00] < esden> ;-)
[21:00] < tsa> hm..
[21:00] < Mike1> lol <-----------
[21:00] < esden> l o l <-- explodes
[21:00] < blindcoder> while [ /bin/true ]; do echo '*lol*'; done
[21:00] < owl> +++AT&lol
[21:00] < tcr> blindcoder: argh!!!
[21:01] < tsa> blindcoder: /exec -o ....
[21:01] < tcr> blindcoder: bad scripting style
[21:01] < tsa> ;)
[21:01] < esden> ^M+++^MAT+lol
[21:01] < tcr> very bad!
[21:01] < esden> ^M+++^MAT+COPT=0,0,lol
[21:01] < blindcoder> tcr: well, I use these constructs for movnig several files to a common basename plus number
[21:02] < tcr> first [ /bin/true ] is nonsense, just use /bin/true ... but the best solution would be: while :; do echo '*lol*'; done
[21:02] < tcr> this wouldn't do any fork!!
[21:03] < esden> yes is faster ...
[21:03] < blindcoder> hmm... sounds good...
[21:03]   esden optimizing his *lol* flooder
[21:03] < blindcoder> hhe
[21:04] < esden> hmm .. perhups I should write it in assembler ...
[21:04] < d3mian> perl -e '1 while print "hola\n"'
[21:04] < tsa> anyone still using a modem?
[21:04] < tcr> eeeeeeeeew perl
[21:04]   esden when he is in poland
[21:04] < tcr> go away, you'r bannished from now
[21:04] < blindcoder> damn it... I'm at home for one and a half hour now and have to go to bed to be fit for work tomorrow >_<
[21:04] < d3mian> :p
[21:05]   blindcoder using a DSL-Modem...
[21:06] < esden> woot++++++ the api for framebuffer seems to become ... beautifull
[21:06] < esden> hmm ... I want it I want it ...
[21:06] < esden> *jumparound*
[21:06] < blindcoder> esden: eeeeaaaasy
[21:06] < esden> blindcoder: :P
[21:07]   blindcoder glueing esdens tonge to the floor
[21:08] < tcr> esden: i really lack on good docus about it ... neve found one
[21:08] < tcr> +r
[21:08] < esden> blllolplopllaala
[21:08] < esden> tcr: hmm ... but what they are currently talking about the cursor api sounds beautifull
[21:09] < blindcoder> hehe, there's nothing you can't solve with a good adhesive :D
[21:09]   netrunner hat gerade "i(){ i;i;} ;i" ausprobiert. sehr lustige methode mozilla zu beenden ;)
[21:09] < blindcoder> wieso mozilla?
[21:09] < esden> rekursive bombe ?
[21:09] < tcr> netrunner: :(){ :|:&};:
[21:10] < esden> stack overflow produziert es oder wie ?
[21:10]   Mike1 is away: working on UML
[21:10] < tcr> out of memory *hrhrh*
[21:10] < netrunner> blindcoder: na als die bash den mozilla mit 27MB Speicher ueberholt hatte ist er abgestuerzt ;)
[21:10] < blindcoder> *lol*
[21:10] < tcr> eigentlich müsse da der OOM greifen und die bash killen
[21:10] < esden> loool
[21:11] < tcr> tsts esden
[21:11] < esden> hrm ... once again a o too much >_<
[21:11] < esden> grr
[21:11] < esden> no two
[21:11] < tcr> tsts esden
[21:11]   esden is really ashamed
[21:11] < owl> esden: ???
[21:12] < esden> owl: you will not understand this ...
[21:12] < tcr> owl: for women: he's indicating himself as idiot again... ;P
[21:13] < owl> tcr: *g*
[21:14] < tcr> okay, watching to MM now
[21:14] < tcr> cu
[21:15] < owl> bye tcr
[21:15] < esden> tcr: thanks ... ;-/
[21:15] < esden> cu tcr
[21:16] < blindcoder> *argh*... burning with 4x is so damn sloooooow
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[21:17] < martin_> abend
[21:18] < blindcoder> hi
[21:19] < owl> tach martin_
[21:19] < d3mian> hi martin_
[21:19] < d3mian> cya all
[21:19] < martin_> hi blindcoder, hi owl, hi d3mian
[21:19]   d3mian away "meeting"
[21:19] < martin_> is rxr back? :)
[21:27] < esden> hi martin_
[21:29] < martin_> hi esden
[21:45] < esden> ok I go hom
[21:45] < esden> e
[21:45] < esden> cu all
[21:46] < owl> cu esden
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[21:49] < martin_> cu esden
[21:51] < owl> gn8. cu
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[21:52]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:42:04)
[21:53] < rolla> UML ?
[22:01] < Mike1> User Mode Linux
[22:02] -!- d3mian is now known as p3yote
[22:02] -!- p3yote is now known as d3mian
[22:02] < Mike1> toda p3yote :P
[22:04] < d3mian> k ride
[22:04] < d3mian> cya, it's late
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[22:26] < tsa> https://www.alledegodenavnevaroptaget.dk/gallery/imagepages/iflifewerelikeirc.html
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[22:38] < Mike1> hi thalerim Krylathon
[22:41] < Krylathon> ;P
[22:41] < Mike1> also hi tcr
[22:41] < Krylathon> in last time I get regularely such connection resets, I dunno why
[22:42] < Mike1> kill the ghosts :)
[22:42] < Krylathon> no time, writing news about the bitching RMS post to the LKML about the new license changes of bitkeeper
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[22:47] < Mike1> one is gone :)
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[22:53] -!- Krylathon is now known as tcr
[22:53] < tcr> gone ... forever... ever
[22:55] < Mike1> so no ghosts now :)
[22:59]   Freak misses the stinky bavarian girl :)
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[23:00] < Mike1> Freak: you mean owly?
[23:01] < Mike1> i thought she was freaking you out
[23:07] < Freak> well yea.. so what?
[23:09] < Mike1> nothing :)
[23:14]   Mike1 is away: working on 8086 boot - root disks
[23:21] < rolla> > patching file versions/html3_2.pl
[23:22]   [anders] is updating the vmware install from the latest build..
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[23:24] < d3mian> re
[23:39] < martin_> hmm, gn8
[23:40] < Mike1> re mian :)
[23:41] < tcr> cu ladies
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-!- Irrsi  Log closed Tue Oct 15 00:00:48 2002