-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Oct 23 00:00:05 2002
[00:05] < Freak> look, I can spam you as well now
[00:06]   Freak entertaining his ears with Dream Theatre - The Ytse Jam
[00:06] < Freak> ain't it sweet?
[00:26]   ripclaw is back
[00:26] < tsa> hi ripclaw
[00:26] < ripclaw> suppose its time to catch some sleep...
[00:26] < tsa> hehe
[00:27] < ripclaw> hi tsa.
[00:27] < tsa> indeed.
[00:27] < ripclaw> komm, put put put....
[00:27] < tsa> und, klappt's?
[00:27] < Mike1> re rippy
[00:27]   ripclaw waits in cover for sleep to come close, and twack it over the head with a scsi disk.
[00:27] < ripclaw> he mike.
[00:28] < ripclaw> tsa, mike im dead tired... ouch. download broke off.
[00:28] < tsa> ripclaw: better get yourself some sleep, then.
[00:28] < ripclaw> btw - tsa, the archive from lxtag was great. do you have more of the "in den staub, nichtswuerdiger" stuff ?
[00:28] < tsa> sataan?
[00:29] < ripclaw> tsa - i tried, they are not selling at the gas station.
[00:29] < tsa> afaik there's only this one CD available.
[00:29] < ripclaw> tsa - yeah schrammelvaddi, into the dust.
[00:29] < ripclaw> they had a few more tracks on einslive.de but i cannot dl from wrk.
[00:29] < tsa> ah, i see.
[00:30] < ripclaw> tsa - you said ur tired a while ago, should we try hunting the beast at the same time ?
[00:30] < tsa> anyway, the mp3 archive will of course be available for rock developers at 19c3 for integration into the rock build process.
[00:30]   ripclaw downloading 1.7 for compile
[00:30] < tsa> ripclaw: sounds like a good idea.
[00:30] < tsa> cu all, then.
[00:30] < ripclaw> tsa - great, i will love integrating a few beer, too...
[00:30] < tsa> ripclaw: ack.
[00:31] < ripclaw> and making them limes(0)
[00:31] < tsa> ...good night, all
[00:31] < ripclaw> nite tsa, n8 everyone
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[00:31] < Mike1> leaving too Stefan?
[00:31] < ripclaw> nite mike, sorry, but its already past midnite here, and i gotta work in 5.5 hrs
[00:31] < ripclaw> yes
[00:32] < Mike1> rippy its ok have a great n8
[00:32] < Mike1> talk to you later
[00:32]   Mike1 is going looking for a new bike now
[00:32] < ripclaw> ttl mike. will try getting back in here on weekend.
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[00:32] < ripclaw> mike look for the new cbr600 or e.g. the aprilia tuono :)
[00:32] < ripclaw> n8
[00:33] < Mike1> gutte nacht
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[00:37] < Freak> gn8 guys
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[01:15] < esden> hi all
[01:15] < esden> hmm all sleeping ?
[01:15] < esden> :P
[01:19] < ringo> nope
[01:19] < ringo> doing soething with perl...
[01:21] < ringo> or something like th@
[01:21] < th> hmm?
[01:21] < th> grmpf
[01:23] < esden> ohh hi ringo
[01:23] < esden> hi th
[01:23]   esden waiting for fake ... ;-)
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[01:38] < ringo> Ok perling on ...
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[02:06] < paperclip> can i cross compile a whole system with diet-libc?
[02:07] < paperclip> seems like just the ticket for rolling an embeded distro..
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[05:39] < d3mian> re
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[08:43] < blindWorker> moin
[08:45] < d3mian> hi blindWorker , Ge0rG
[08:50] < blindWorker> hi d3mian
[09:03] < d3mian> cya
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[10:11] < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi
[10:37] < aszlig> hullo blindcoder
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[10:51] < aszlig> re
[11:08] < blindcoder> hush
[11:08] < blindcoder> transconnect herrscht
[11:09] < blindcoder> okay, bin dann mal wieder away
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[12:15] < snyke> sry
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[12:36] < tsa> hi all.
[12:36] < blindcoder> hi tsa
[12:36] < tsa> hi blindcoder
[12:36]   tsa is happy.-
[12:36]   blindcoder currently insreting some perverted things in glibc22.conf
[12:36] < tsa> the recommendation for ctwm was really good.
[12:36] < tsa> hehe
[12:36] < blindcoder> tsa> why?
[12:37] < blindcoder> ctwm? a window manager?
[12:37] < tsa> blindcoder: we're using RH at work, and we had our workstations reinstalled yesterday with RH8
[12:37] < blindcoder> tsa: for cross-compiling to a 64 bit-architecture from 32bit gcc has some hardcoded pathnames
[12:37] < blindcoder> I need to create these paths (symlinks) but hide them from flish
[12:37] < blindcoder> tsa: sweet, and? does it work fine?
[12:37] < tsa> unfortunately, RH8 comes with gnome2 by default, which is pretty bloated and slow..
[12:38] < blindcoder> *urks*
[12:38] < tsa> blindcoder: yes....i've dropped all my old gnome{1,2} stuff
[12:38] < blindcoder> hehe and switched to ctwm?
[12:38] < tsa> ctwm now looks like twm, except having multiple desktops...
[12:38] < tsa> yes..
[12:39] < blindcoder> hmm... i honestly don't like twm...
[12:39] < tsa> hehe
[12:39] < tsa> twm rulez ;-)
[12:40] < blindcoder> i just switched back to window maker
[12:40]   tsa doesn't like wmaker.. ;)
[12:40] < blindcoder> with icewm my apps complain about not being able to allocate colortables
[12:41]   blindcoder hopes that flist now doesn't find the symlink he created
[12:41] < tsa> hehe
[12:42] < blindcoder> I need to create /usr/lib64 (that's right, not $root/usr/lib64) because of that sick gcc
[12:42] < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should try egc
[12:42] < blindcoder> s
[13:38] < tsa> *gaehn*
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[14:19] < tcr> moin all
[14:19] < esden> hi all
[14:19] < esden> hi tcr
[14:19] < tcr> sers esden
[14:25] < blindcod1r> hi hi and rehi
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[14:25] < blindcoder> hmmm *sw33t*
[14:25] < blindcoder> there's n easier way than to trick flist_wrapper.so
[14:26] < blindcoder> use the find-method...
[14:26] < blindcoder> it doesn't detect if files are created outside $root
[14:26] < blindcoder> *sw33t*
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[14:26] < blindcoder> oh and btw.: transconnect herrscht :D
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[14:28] < esden> blindcoder: you can select in the ./scripts/Config to use find instead the flist_wrapper.so ...
[14:28] < esden> re rxr
[14:28] < blindcoder> esden: I know, i found out by reading Build-Pkg
[14:28] < blindcoder> and I need find to be able to cross-compileusing gcc
[14:29] < blindcoder> cause I need to create /usr/lib64 (a symlink( and flist_wrapper complains about a file being created outside $root
[14:31] < esden> blindcoder: you know that it is a really _NASTY_ hack the symlink
[14:32] < esden> I even think that the redhat patch is a cleaner solution ... ;-)
[14:32] < blindcoder> yes I do, but I tried modifying gcc's specs file with no use and ppatching gcc.... aehm....
[14:32] < blindcoder> esden: it does not WORK, taht's the problem
[14:32] < esden> urgh
[14:33] < esden> get the sources of redhat glibc ...
[14:33] < fake> aloha
[14:33] < blindcoder> I've tried until 12 PM by modifying gcc's specs file (that's what the patch does, too, but not as much) by hand and removed ALL references to lib64 and it STILL wanted to access it
[14:33] < tcr> please care someone about updating sed to 4.0 (in both, 1.5 and 1.7), because this version merged a lot of the features and perfomance improving of Super-Sed. Please do it immediately (i'm out of time, otherwise i'd do it)
[14:33] < blindcoder> hi fake
[14:33]   blindcoder telephone
[14:33] < esden> blindcoder: ok ... gcc and glibc sux ... I know that ...
[14:33] < esden> fake: hihi
[14:34] < fake> blindcoder: why are there files created in /usr/lib64, anyways?
[14:34] < fake> and what files?
[14:34] < tcr> rocklinux makes a lot use of sed, so this update will, hopefully, increase the speed of it, too. :)
[14:34] < fake> at least the make install should hnor $root
[14:35] < fake> s,hnor,honor,
[14:35] < esden> argh argh ... here are only lamers and loosers in this university >_<
[14:35] < esden> I want to kill someone
[14:35] < fake> esden: are you wearing your "Ia am with lame" T-Shirt ?
[14:35] < fake> -a
[14:35] < esden> not yet ...
[14:36]   esden getting a big pen and writing "I am with lame" on his T-Shirt
[14:36] < esden> grr
[14:36] < fake> esden: now you are camouflaged
[14:36] < esden> *gg*
[14:37]   esden hacking colorizer
[14:37] < fake> sweet
[14:37] < fake> i had a nice idea i want to implement tonight
[14:38] < esden> aha ?
[14:38] < esden> so I should leave it ?
[14:38] < fake> no no
[14:39] < fake> something completely different(tm)
[14:39] < fake> will you be @bitz again tonight?
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[14:41] < esden> no ... sadly not
[14:41] < esden> I will be back in IN on friday
[14:42] < fake> ah, you told me that
[14:42] < fake> well, then i'll just implement it *g*
[14:47] < esden> what is ist ... can you explain it in some words ?
[14:47] < esden> you can use german for it ... or english ... or polish as you like ;-)
[14:47] < fake> postadingsda!
[14:47] < fake> *g*
[14:48] < fake> inter-session messaging
[14:50] < blindcoder> fake: I can ojnly create this symlink from within glibc22.conf
[14:51] < fake> blindcoder: _what files_ does flist complain about?
[14:51] < blindcoder> and then flist_wrapper kicks in
[14:51] < blindcoder> /usr/lib64
[14:51] < blindcoder> this file
[14:51] < fake> _files_
[14:51] < fake> it does not put a single file in there?
[14:51] < blindcoder> it does not create the files there, just expect them to be there
[14:52] < fake> then flist would not complain.
[14:52] < blindcoder> they are in $build/glibc-2.2.5/csu
[14:52] < fake> only _created_ files are mentioned
[14:52] < blindcoder> yes it does, because glibc.conf creates the symlink /usr/lib64 -> $build/glibc-2.2.5/csu
[14:52]   esden fixed the indention in the colorSimplifier >_<
[14:53] < blindcoder> I can't create it ANYWHERE else
[14:53] < fake> the symlink is created inside $root
[14:53] < tsa> bbl
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[14:53] < fake> so it is not a new file
[14:53] < esden> fake: what do you want to message between sessions ?
[14:53] < fake> err, a file outside $root
[14:53] < blindcoder> fake: no, not inside root... I'm talking about /usr/lib64 not about $root/usr/lib64
[14:53] < fake> esden: somehow. i'll try if it works
[14:54] < esden> what not how ? ;-)
[14:54] < blindcoder> fake: restart... gcc expects files in /usr/lib64
[14:54] < fake> blindcoder: could you please please just post the line flistwrapper complains in?
[14:54] < blindcoder> hmm... let me see if it is still in the screen-buffer
[14:54] < blindcoder> brb
[14:55] < esden> fake I will now fix all the indention in the files ... because this forte indention is going on my nerves terribly
[14:55] < fake> i drive back to the firm - nothing to do @ sun
[14:55] < fake> esden: please don#t commit any other changes with that commit
[14:55] < fake> the diff will be horrible ;)
[14:55] < fake> blindcoder: i'll come back in 30 minutes or so
[14:56] < fake> until then, good luck ;)
[14:56] < blindcoder> Created file outside basedir: /usr/lib64
[14:57] < blindcoder> and the line in the code is this:
[14:58] < esden> fake: hmm ... ok ...
[14:58] < blindcoder> ln -sf $builddir/glibc-2.2.5/csu /usr/lib64
[14:59] < blindcoder> Hmm... I don't think he will get it if I don't explain it to him in person...
[15:03] < blindcoder> okay, I'll be back at around 15:30... maybe :)
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[15:19] < esden> ok
[15:19]   esden -> lecture
[15:19] < esden> cu l8er
[15:25]   blindcoder back on deck :)
[15:29] < esden> re
[15:29] < esden> grr
[15:29] < esden> the room is full
[15:29] < esden> really fool
[15:29] < esden> everybody is standing >_<
[15:30] < blindcoder> oh
[15:30] < blindcoder> must be an interesting lecture then :)
[15:30] < esden> datenbanken zentraluebung
[15:31] < esden> aber ich werde es mir nicht antun wenn ich die ganze zeit stehen soll >_<
[15:31] < blindcoder> okay, it _is_ interesting
[15:32] < blindcoder> hehe
[15:33] < rolla> re
[15:34] < blindcoder> re rolla
[15:34] < blindcoder> esden hock dich auf den schoss von ner huebschen blondine :D
[15:35] < blindcoder> brb
[15:43] < esden> ja gute idee
[15:43] < esden> aber hier im rechner raum ist es auch angenehm ;-)
[15:45] < blindcoder> *jump* *jump* *happy* *smile* *jump*
[15:48] < blindcoder> I'll get my linux-workstation tomorrow *jump*
[16:04] < rolla> cool
[16:04] < blindcoder> finally I get rid of colorless terminals
[16:04] < blindcoder> not-quite-flawless-working window-managers
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[16:08] < esden> ok ... first indention correction commit done ... now bit more productive stuff ;-)
[16:13] < rolla> damn mirror
[16:15] < blindcoder> re paperclip
[16:15] < esden> o_O
[16:15] < esden> clippy ??
[16:15] < esden> where ?
[16:15] < esden> ahh there
[16:15] < blindcoder> *lol*
[16:16]   blindcoder feels like killing a co-worker of him
[16:16] < blindcoder> that idiot just shuts down the linux box I'm getting all my terminals from *argh*
[16:16] < rolla> go kick him
[16:17] < blindcoder> nah, just slapped him for killing 190 days of uptime
[16:17] < blindcoder> AND HE DIDN'T EVEN HAD TO REBOOT IT
[16:17] < blindcoder> Windows-Dummy *grmpf*
[16:17] < rolla> ;)
[16:17] < blindcoder> "ah, I can't log in, let's reboot this box"
[16:18] < blindcoder> after reboot:"I still can't log in, ah well, I'll have this box reinstalled tomorrow"
[16:18] < blindcoder> then I approach him: "Let me log in" *clickety-click* "See, it's not the box, it's your profile"
[16:19] < blindcoder> "AAH! Can't be, it works just fine with Solaris"
[16:19] < blindcoder> *ARRGGH*
[16:20] < esden> blindcoder: you definitly need a nervgun !!!
[16:21] < blindcoder> yes... I think I'll buy one right before 19C3 :D
[16:24] < Ge0rG> users shouldn't be allowed physical contact to important machines anyway :)
[16:25] < rolla> true
[16:25] < rolla> they need to be in a locked room
[16:27] < esden> without windows and any connection to the outer world ;-)
[16:28] < rolla> that is expected ;)
[16:29] < Ge0rG> hey, having a box connected to the net is still secure enough if you are protecting it against windows users ;)
[16:31] < esden> woot woot it works ... jumparound
[16:35] < paperclip> hello.. =)
[16:37] < paperclip> i'd like to try rocklinux.. which version should i get?
[16:40]   paperclip goes to find a forum/ml
[16:43] < paperclip> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/pjotr/guide.download/ROCK-GUIDE-2.0pre2.pdf <- looks good
[16:46] < paperclip> hmm.. under section 2.2 ROCK is Different.. there needs to be "ROCK is a four letter word"
[16:51] < blindcoder> glibc BUILDS! glibc BUILDS!
[16:51] < blindcoder> but now I need to create a symlink whenever cross-compiling a package...
[16:52] < blindcoder> I need a somewhat cleaner (not clean) solution for that
[16:55] < blindcoder> feierabend!!!
[16:55] < blindcoder> bye bye
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[16:55] < armijn> re
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[17:00] < rolla> Mike2
[17:00] < Mike1> rolla
[17:00] < Mike1> moin all
[17:01] < esden> cu blindcoder
[17:02] < armijn> well...
[17:06] < paperclip> I'm looking for something that will enable me to build an embeded linux system..
[17:06] < Mike1> paperclip: enable you?
[17:06] < paperclip> rock does this with the target script..
[17:07] < paperclip> Mike1: provide the tools..
[17:07] < Mike1> ah
[17:07] < paperclip> or at least a framework..
[17:07] < paperclip> Mike1: it's really "make able"..
[17:08] < esden> ok ... cu guys I go home
[17:08] < Mike1> cu esdy
[17:08]   Mike1 is away: working
[17:08] < paperclip> I see references to building router distros.. so it must be possible, eh?
[17:10] < paperclip> i'd like to build a small linux system with diet-libc
[17:10] < paperclip> then compress it with cramfs
[17:11] < paperclip> and run from a flashdisk
[17:12] < Mike1> paperclip: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/ripclaw/projects/software/smallsys/
[17:12]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:03:29)
[17:12] < paperclip> thanks
[17:12] < Mike1> also check on the dietlibc target on rock 1.7
[17:13] < paperclip> ok..
[17:13] < armijn> oh and you've got to have nerves as well :)
[17:14] < paperclip> do you know off hand if X works with dietlibc?
[17:14] < Mike1> paperclip: also feel free to drop an email to the rock linux mailing list
[17:14] < paperclip> ok..
[17:14] < Mike1> paperclip: i have honestly not worked around dietlibc stuff yet but perhaps esden may help you
[17:14] < paperclip> my inital target is -> https://www.msncompanion.com/
[17:15] < paperclip> the compaq IA-1
[17:16] < Mike1> nice
[17:16] < armijn> heh, I googled...
[17:16] < Mike1> what ideas do you have?
[17:16] < paperclip> I've actually got a fairly nice linux on one now.. built with midori linux..
[17:16] < Mike1> armijn: ?
[17:16] < armijn> seems there was a discussion about X and dietlibc here 8 days ago ;)
[17:16] < armijn> between esden and tsa...
[17:16] < armijn> about the same stuff
[17:16] < paperclip> but midori is no longer maintained..
[17:16] < paperclip> and it would be a *load* of work for one man to keep up to date..
[17:17] < Mike1> paperclip: yeah the guys from transmeta are no working to much on it anymore
[17:17] < Mike1> armijn: do you have experience with dietlibc btw?
[17:17] < armijn> mike1: nope
[17:17]   Mike1 needs esden and tsa
[17:17] < armijn> grrrr....CVSup taking long :(
[17:18] < Mike1> armijn: status of the work on sparc32?
[17:18] < armijn> *sigh* long story
[17:19] < armijn> I wanted to work on it, but a server here crashed severely
[17:19] < armijn> as in, disk in a RAID5 controller broken
[17:19] < Mike1> armijn: mm... so no time to work ir as well?
[17:19] < armijn> should not be a problem, but the firmware didn't like it
[17:19] < armijn> had to upgrade the firmware and now Windows is complaining about an "invalid boot device"
[17:19] < Mike1> armijn: hehe i had a similar problem here with a dell box
[17:19] < armijn> yes, it's a windows server...and it's a dell as well
[17:20] < armijn> a poweredge perhaps?
[17:20] < Mike1> yes
[17:20] < armijn> poweredge 2300?
[17:20] < Mike1> did it fail trying to update from NT to 2000 by any chance?
[17:20] < Mike1> armijn: yes poweredge 2300 damn :(
[17:20] < armijn> ehr no, I rebooted it after a change of IP address...
[17:20] < armijn> heheheh
[17:20] < armijn> and it didn't want to come back up
[17:21] < armijn> so I brought a Gentoo Linux CD with me, I can access the data now
[17:21] < Mike1> armijn: actually i still have not been able to bring it back on line
[17:21] < armijn> gonna back it up on a FreeBSD box
[17:21] < armijn> mike1: you did upgrade the firmware?
[17:21] < Mike1> armijn: yes i have access to the files boot the kernel fails when booting normally
[17:21] < Mike1> armijn: yes i did
[17:22] < armijn> running w2k?
[17:22] < Mike1> it was NT and they tried to update to w2k
[17:22] < Mike1> but the fscked it all up
[17:22] < armijn> heheh
[17:22] < armijn> evil
[17:22] < Mike1> they fisrt updated the raid controlers
[17:23] < Mike1> and demaged it very badly
[17:23] < armijn> whoops :)
[17:23] < armijn> physically??
[17:23] < Mike1> somehow i made it to fix it and bring it back (still under NT)
[17:23] < Mike1> no not physically
[17:23] < Mike1> :P
[17:23] < paperclip> sorry.. phone call
[17:24] < armijn> paperclip: hey! no way! you should stay here on IRC!
[17:24] < Mike1> after 2 hours of my heroic fix they started the update to w2k
[17:24] < paperclip> my dad is in Paris.. and he's maybe a bit tipsy..
[17:24] < Mike1> 30 minutes later boom demaged again
[17:24] < armijn> ah well, that happens when you go to paris
[17:24] < armijn> even though it's pretty expensive to become drunk in paris...
[17:24] < Mike1> armijn: anyways if it doesnt get fixed soon i will personally demage physically that box i swaer :)
[17:25] < armijn> well...probably London is more expensive
[17:25] < paperclip> well.. i'm having coffee.. so.. i'm like trying to get to the point and he's rambling =)
[17:25] < armijn> mike1: well, first strip the box of useful stuff :)
[17:25] < Mike1> armijn: ack
[17:25] < Mike1> :)
[17:26] < armijn> paperclip; ah well, that must be the french influence :)
[17:26] < paperclip> heh.. i hope he keeps bathing..
[17:26] < armijn> well, luckily I'm not french ;-)
[17:26]   Mike1 wonders when owl will come back... we need a hug party
[17:27] < armijn> mike1: ahh, falling in love with owl?
[17:27] < armijn> owl's not french either
[17:27] < Mike1> armijn: nope not all just like to bug around
[17:27] < Mike1> besides she belongs to blindcoder as i have heard
[17:28]   paperclip is pure gringo
[17:28] < Mike1> armijn: some friends of mine went on a visit to france for 2 months, they got arrested to taking showers everyday ...
[17:28] < Mike1> s/to/for
[17:29] < armijn> hmm, gringo...can you eat that?
[17:29] < paperclip> tastes like chicken..
[17:29] < armijn> heh...
[17:29] < Mike1> paperclip: where in gringoland are you ?
[17:29] < paperclip> New Orleans, LA
[17:30]   Mike1 on the phone
[17:30] < armijn> actually, it is said that human flesh tastes more like, ehr...young cow stuff...
[17:30] < paperclip> you are in Croatia?
[17:30] < armijn> cr == costa rica
[17:30] < paperclip> oh..
[17:30] < armijn> croatia is hr
[17:30] < paperclip> puro gringo.. con sabor pollo
[17:31] < paperclip> ah.. yeah.. helvtic republic or something like that..
[17:31] < armijn> no :)
[17:31] < armijn> I don't think so
[17:32] < armijn> if you refer to "helvetica", that's switzerland
[17:32]   Mike1 listens quite to armijn's geography lessons...
[17:32] < armijn> heh, know quite some stuff, even though I hardly leave .nl ;-)
[17:32] < paperclip> hm...
[17:32] < paperclip> hungary
[17:33] < paperclip> why is croatia .hr then?
[17:33]   Mike1 invites armijn to spend his next vacation in cr
[17:33] < paperclip> i'd like to go there..
[17:33] < armijn> I never mentioned hungary :)
[17:33] < paperclip> i was guessing..
[17:33] < armijn> hungary is .hu
[17:34] < paperclip> yeah.. smarty pants.. but why is croatia .hr
[17:34] < armijn> hehe, I wouldn't know...
[17:34]   paperclip starts wondering if croatia is .hr
[17:34] < armijn> hmm...isn't croatia called hrstca or so?
[17:35] < armijn> no
[17:35] < armijn> hrvatski
[17:35] < armijn> www.hr
[17:35] < armijn> :)
[17:35] < paperclip> oh..
[17:35] < Mike1> armijn: can you pronounce hrvatski?
[17:36] < armijn> mike1: nope
[17:36] < rolla> ;)
[17:36] < Mike1> :P
[17:36] < paperclip> looks like a nice place..
[17:36] < Mike1> as long as they dont ask me to pronounce the name of the country i will be fine :)
[17:36] < armijn> dunno, was a warzone about 10 years ago, so
[17:38] < paperclip> yeah.. i'm sure there all sorts of unspent munitions..
[17:38] < armijn> sigh...CVSup still running :(
[17:42] < Mike1> armijn: wow what kind of conection you got? 33k dialup?
[17:42] < paperclip> ok.. well.. i'm going to install rock.. which version?
[17:44] < armijn> 10 Mbps
[17:46] < Mike1> armijn: weird
[17:47] < armijn> it's a CVS checkout thing...
[17:47] < armijn> and it's quite a lot, so
[17:48] < armijn> and probably the CVSup server is quite busy
[17:54]   Mike1 is away: fighting with dell poweredge 2400
[17:54]   armijn is gone: fighting with a dell poweredge 2300
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[18:39]   paperclip is away: lunch
[18:41]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:47:26)
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[19:17] < owl> seid gegruesst
[19:17] < capchaos> hi owl *hug*
[19:17]   Mike1 hugs owly
[19:17] < owl> *AAAAAAAAAARGH*
[19:17] < capchaos> ;)
[19:18] < owl> hi capchaos, Mike1
[19:18] < Mike1> bitte me bitte me
[19:18] < Mike1> bite*
[19:19]   owl is going to kill her dentist *whining*
[19:20] < owl> how much HD-space will i need for a complete 1.7 build?
[19:20] < owl> and how many days (on a amd k6-II 500 mhz, 384 mb ram )
[19:36] < fake> re.
[19:36] < fake> ...
[19:36] < fake> re.
[19:36] < Mike1> re
[19:36] < Mike1> @ fake :)
[19:36] < owl> moin fake
[19:37] < fake> hi
[19:37] < fake> 19:37:28 up 156 days, 19:57
[19:38] < Mike1> fake: owl is having trouble getting to work also on her box with an intel 8x0 soundchip can you help her?
[19:38] < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi
[19:38] < Mike1> nice uptime
[19:39] < owl> moin blindcoder
[19:40] < fake> Mike1: not with alsa
[19:40] < blindcoder> moint owly
[19:40] < blindcoder> -t
[19:40] < Mike1> fake: ok
[19:41] < owl> is someone running alsa && using rock-1.5.19?
[19:41] < blindcoder> nope, no alsa
[19:41] < blindcoder> but I don't think you need also for intel 8x0
[19:41] < owl> :-/ did someone _test_ alsa before releasing 1.5.19?
[19:42] < owl> blindcoder: we don't talk about what we need... we 're talking about what isn't working correct.
[19:42] < blindcoder> 1.5.19 isn't considered stable...
[19:42] < fake> owl: why didn't _you_ test it?
[19:42] < blindcoder> and maybe it _did_ work, but not with that card...
[19:43] < blindcoder> nobody tested it ith THAT card
[19:43] < blindcoder> and why do you WANT alsa when you don't NEED it
[19:43] < owl> fake: what do you think what i'm trying to do? i will install rock now on my second notebook and have a look if alsa wors there...
[19:43] < blindcoder> fake: --mulitlib-dir isn't in the man page or the --help but it definitely exists... *ARGH*
[19:43] < fake> because it has more nifty features ;)
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[19:44] < Mike1> @ Stephen :)
[19:44]   fake is going for the shower
[19:44] < litost> what's up Miguel!!
[19:44] < fake> cu later
[19:44] < blindcoder> have fun
[19:44] < owl> bye fake
[19:49]   blindcoder now checking binutils and gcc for weird and/or crazy hardcoded directories...
[19:53] < blindcoder> okay... I'm quite sure that it is not binutils
[19:55] < capchaos> does anyone know how one can find/decrypt a user's current passwd while logged in ?
[19:56] < capchaos> (shadow)
[19:56] < blindcoder> the password of the user logged in or anyones?
[19:57] < aszlig> capchaos: if the one writes a little su/sudo, or better bash/zsh replacement
[19:57] < capchaos> blindcoder: of the user logged in
[19:58] < blindcoder> you can edit his .bashrc to bring up a little program you wrote that simulates wrong password typed-behviour and then e-mails you what password he typed in ;)
[19:58] < aszlig> capchaos: or if the attacker has root-access
[19:58] < capchaos> blindcoder: no trojaner ;)
[19:58] < aszlig> capchaos: it is possible to get the stdin from the user
[19:58] < capchaos> aszlig: lets say the attacker is already logged in as root
[19:59] < aszlig> capchaos: that i meant
[19:59] < blindcoder> capchaos: edit /etc/passwd :)
[19:59] < blindcoder> or better:
[19:59] < blindcoder> download joe the ripper and brute force the entry in /etc/shadow
[20:00] < aszlig> blindcoder: john
[20:00] < capchaos> aszlig: i have those Npo34Ferkjf password format in /etc/shadow for root. now how can i see what _readable_ password this is?
[20:00] < capchaos> hm
[20:00] < blindcoder> or john... i didn't quite remembe
[20:00] < blindcoder> capchaos: brute force it
[20:00] < aszlig> capchaos: cat /dev/ttyxbefore the user is typing his pwd
[20:01] < blindcoder> I don't believe it..
[20:01] < blindcoder> gcc _really_ has hardcoded lib-directories in gcc/configsparc/linux64.h
[20:03]   Mike1 is away: having lunch
[20:03] < capchaos> no brute forcing, no trojaner, not cat. isn't there a way to write a program or anything to decrypt the shadow passwd?
[20:05] < blindcoder> it's an md5 hash, how on earth do you want to decrypt it?
[20:05] < capchaos> just asking..
[20:06] < blindcoder> there is a weird algorythm somewhere to actully to it
[20:06] < capchaos> *searching*
[20:06] < blindcoder> but it's almost always faster to word-attack or even bruteforce it
[20:07] < aszlig> capchaos: md5 is non-invertable
[20:08] < blindcoder> aszlig: it is, but it is _very_ processor-intensive and therefore almost always (see above)
[20:08] < capchaos> how is it inverted in the login process then..?
[20:08] < aszlig> blindcoder: it isnt, the only possible way is brute-force or wordlist
[20:09] < aszlig> capchaos: the pwd you type will be encrypted and the result will be compared with the entry in the shadow
[20:10] < litost> it's a one way hash and suppose to be computationaly infeasible to decrypt
[20:10] < capchaos> this comparison must be invertible in some way...
[20:10] < blindcoder> it is. but it is faster do bf it
[20:11] < capchaos> ok ;) thanks for your help
[20:11] < litost> it's not an inverse function
[20:11] < litost> you can only go one way and brute force it with comparisons
[20:12] < aszlig> litost: erm, you speak the same, as i said
[20:12] < aszlig> litost: ;)
[20:12] < litost> i'm just confused about this invertible jargon :)
[20:13] < aszlig> litost: *g*
[20:18] < capchaos> hm there are 4096 possible enconding for the same password, hah!
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[20:19] < owl> *argh*
[20:19] < owl> re
[20:19] < capchaos> re owl :)
[20:20] < aszlig> capchaos: it depends on the length of the password
[20:20] < aszlig> wb owl
[20:22]   owl laueft gleich amok!
[20:23] < rolla> OWL
[20:24] < owl> hi rolla
[20:26]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:22:34)
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[20:50] < _NULL> ARGH
[20:50] < _NULL> re#+
[20:50] < capchaos> re _NULL
[20:51] < capchaos> _NULL: is your isp drunken?
[20:51] < _NULL> who else want to kill me?
[20:51] < _NULL> capchaos: nope. but i'm doped or something like that
[20:51] < blindcoder> it's not owl-season :)
[20:51] < _NULL> huh?
[20:52] < _NULL> now, it's killing _NULL season...
[20:52] < blindcoder> nope, that one ended last weekend
[20:52] < _NULL> are you sure? might my dentist and network device and so on don't know that?
[20:53] < blindcoder> it seems like that... it's _EINS season right now
[20:53] < _NULL> *lol*
[20:54] < _NULL> or toad-season...
[20:54]   _NULL = toad
[20:54] < blindcoder> I can see through your camouflage
[20:54] < blindcoder> alas I am not allowed to shoot you
[20:54] < _NULL> huh?
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[21:04] < snyke> blindcoder: ?
[21:07] < blindcoder> hm?
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[21:09] < tsa> tag
[21:09] < snyke> blindcoder: hat sich erledigt
[21:09] < _NULL> moin tsa
[21:10] < tsa> hi owl
[21:10] < blindcoder> hi tsa
[21:10] < tsa> *hug*
[21:10] < tsa> hi blindcoder
[21:10] < _NULL> *argh* tsa
[21:10] < tsa> hehe
[21:10] < blindcoder> hmm... how can a one-processor machine have a constant load of 5.5, 5.6, 5.0
[21:11] < blindcoder> with nothing but mldonkey and proftpd running on it
[21:11] < snyke> lol
[21:11] < snyke> but normally *donkey takes a lot
[21:12] < blindcoder> yes... but a load of 5 over more than a week?
[21:12] < snyke> maybe
[21:12] < blindcoder> and now I killed it but the load stays up high...
[21:12] < blindcoder> koay, I'm compiling a CrossCC right now...
[21:13] < blindcoder> hmm... does top really show all processes??
[21:13] < aszlig> blindcoder: erm, after bootup my system is at load 2.4, 2.1, 1.8
[21:13] < _NULL> how much space needs normally a complete build of 1.7 ?
[21:13] < blindcoder> where does my CPU-Power go *cry*
[21:14] < aszlig> blindcoder: top P
[21:14] < blindcoder> I have a few processes (6 or 7) with 1-5 % CPU... and my CPU is at 100% *cry*
[21:14] < tsa> _NULL: something about 2700mb, afaik.
[21:14] < aszlig> blindcoder: P
[21:14] < blindcoder> I use P
[21:15] < blindcoder> sort by CPU Usage
[21:15] < aszlig> blindcoder: hmm..
[21:15] < _NULL> tsa: ok. thx. do you also know how long it will take on a amd k6-II 500 mhz, 384 ram ? about 48 hours, doesn't it?
[21:15] < blindcoder> the bigges has 5 % with the following havin 0.1 through 0.6%
[21:15] < aszlig> blindcoder: erm, is kapm_idle running?
[21:15] < blindcoder> _NULL: expect around 5 through 6 days
[21:15] < tsa> _NULL: longer.
[21:15] < _NULL> blindcoder: pardon?
[21:15] < blindcoder> nope
[21:15] < _NULL> on a 500 mhz machine?!
[21:15] < aszlig> blindcoder: hmm...
[21:16] < blindcoder> _NULL: it takes 24 hours on my P4 1.8 GHz with 512 MB RAMBus
[21:16] < _NULL> *amen*
[21:16] < _NULL> thx. :-/
[21:16] < aszlig> blindcoder: can you give me a screendump of it?
[21:16] < blindcoder> sure
[21:23] < blindcoder> I feel the urge to reboot
[21:24] < blindcoder> how do you terminate a process that wont react to a kill -9
[21:24] < tsa> what kind of process?
[21:24] < tsa> current process state?
[21:24] < blindcoder> D <
[21:24] < blindcoder> says top
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[21:25] < tsa> so it's waiting for some kind of I/O ..
[21:25] < blindcoder> well... it's a vmware process that got hiccup
[21:27] < snyke> blindcoder
[21:27] < blindcoder> ja?
[21:27] < snyke> need you :)
[21:27] < snyke> ah. hm
[21:27] < snyke> gruftistats funzen ned *grml*
[21:27] < snyke> weisst scho, die irc-stats
[21:29] < blindcoder> hm
[21:29] < blindcoder> tsa: can I kill it SOMEHOW?
[21:29] < aszlig> blindcoder: fuser this time ;)
[21:29] < aszlig> blindcoder: if you know the device it is accessing
[21:29] < tsa> blindcoder: no, that's why it is called "uninterruptible sleep" ;)
[21:30] < blindcoder> *AARRGGHH*
[21:30] < blindcoder> it's frying my IDE-Bus
[21:31] < blindcoder> and making my load one the best high-jumpers around
[21:31] < blindcoder> so I really have to reboot, don't I?
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[21:32] < aszlig> :Q
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[21:32] < blindcoder> *lol*
[21:33] < tsa> i'd rather suggest strace'ing the process and trying to find out what kind of IO it wants to do..
[21:33] < blindcoder> hmm... can I apply strace to a running process?
[21:33] < blindcoder> ah -p [pid]
[21:34] < tsa> sure.
[21:35] < blindcoder> erm... strace is no also in D <
[21:35] < blindcoder> I think I'll really just reboot...
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[21:36] < blindcoder> brb
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[21:41] < blindcoder> ah, that's a lot "nice"r :)
[21:43] < tsa> hm..
[22:00]   _EINS killing you softly with this song Dream Theatre - Guitar Solo
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[22:01] < _NULL> *g* hi Freak (aka _EINS)
[22:01] < _EINS> ;I
[22:08] < blindcoder> g'night
[22:09] < _NULL> gn8 blindy
[22:17] < snyke> blindcoder:
[22:17] < snyke> https://eros.bingo-ev.de/bingo-net.html schau mal wer da down ist ausser mars...
[22:18] < snyke> ahh ich liebe meinen watchdog :)
[22:20] < snyke> hallo?!
[22:22] < _NULL> snyke: blindcoder pennt
[22:23] < _EINS> (owl = watchdog für blindcoder
[22:23] < _EINS> )
[22:23] < snyke> schon okay
[22:23] < snyke> hab esdi angerufn
[22:24] < _NULL> _EINS: labber ned rum hier!
[22:25] < _EINS> tsss
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[22:25] < _EINS> agressiv.
[22:25] < _NULL> tach tcr
[22:25] < _EINS> zickig.
[22:25] < _EINS> pms.
[22:25] < _NULL> na und? zahnschmerzen - bestialische. *jammer*
[22:26] < _EINS> hehehe
[22:26] < _NULL> lach nicht!
[22:26] < _EINS> *lach*
[22:26] < _NULL> AAAAAAAAAAARGH!
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[22:31] < tcr> g'abend all
[22:34] < Freak> seh euch morgen.
[22:39] < esden> hi all
[22:39] < _NULL> moin esden
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[22:42] < netcrow> hi
[22:42] < _NULL> tach netcrow
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[22:51]   tcr reconnection (dns server seemingly down)
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[23:07] < rxr> re
[23:07] < rxr> just a live sign
[23:07] < rxr> ...
[23:07] < rxr> I now have a normal phone line in my new flat and can use my old v.90 modem to be online
[23:07] < rxr> cu later
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[23:24] < tsa> cu
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[23:30] < _NULL> gn8. cu
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[23:52] < LocalHero> hi all
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[23:58]   paperclip is back (gone 05:18:58)
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Thu Oct 24 00:00:23 2002