-!- Irrsi  Log opened Thu Oct 24 00:00:23 2002
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[00:34] < hackbard> re
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[03:39] < d3mian> hi
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[04:35] < d3mian> hi paperclip
[04:39] < paperclip> hello
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[07:09] < Mike1> moin
[07:16] < paperclip> heya
[07:19] < Mike1> paperclip: still awake :)
[07:19] < paperclip> yeah.. i'd just gotten up earlier..
[07:19] < paperclip> it's only 00:24 here =)
[07:20] < Mike1> 23:25 here
[07:20] < Mike1> :)
[07:20] < paperclip> heh..
[07:21]   Mike1 is from Costa Rica
[07:21] < paperclip> i was poking around the midori site and found a msg from 10/9 saying that there had been some activity in the CVS
[07:22] < paperclip> sourceforge is down for maintenance..
[07:22] < paperclip> so there maybe hope for it yet..
[07:22]   Mike1 *sigh*
[07:23] < paperclip> it's basically a set of scripts that crosscompile packages (mlz's)
[07:23] < paperclip> it bootstraps then builds everything from the ground up..
[07:24] < Mike1> rock like?
[07:24] < paperclip> also it has tools inplace to deal with systems that are running from flash
[07:24] < paperclip> Mike1: hard to say.. i've never used rock =)
[07:25] < Mike1> nice
[07:25] < Mike1> how big is the final distro?
[07:25] < Mike1> is it possible to create bootable cds?
[07:25] < Mike1> (isos)
[07:25] < paperclip> Mike1: it can be tiny..
[07:25] < paperclip> i had opera/X/linux running from 16mb
[07:26] < Mike1> #define tiny _?_
[07:26] < paperclip> with 32mb ram
[07:26] < Mike1> Cool
[07:26] < paperclip> and it could have been much smaller..
[07:26] < Mike1> brb
[07:26] < paperclip> ok
[07:28] < Mike1> back
[07:29] < Mike1> ok so it can be really small
[07:29] < Mike1> does it use dietlibcd?
[07:32] < paperclip> no
[07:32] < paperclip> plain libc
[07:33] < paperclip> tho i think there was some effort to put in ulibc
[07:33] < paperclip> as an option..
[07:33] < Mike1> i see
[07:33] < paperclip> it's pretty nice actually for "internet appliances"
[07:34] < paperclip> i keep coming up with more and more uses for a small source based linux distro
[07:35]   Mike1 is really interested ... browsing page
[07:36] < paperclip> cool..
[07:36] < paperclip> maybe you'd be interested in forking it with me =)
[07:36] < paperclip> i'd actually planned on it some time ago..
[07:36] < paperclip> but got sidetracked =)
[07:38] < Mike1> i will play around with it and think about it
[07:38] < Mike1> if like i will consider playing around it
[07:38] < paperclip> there are/were a few things i'd fix imediately..
[07:38] < Mike1> such as?
[07:38] < paperclip> firstly they distribute .mlz packages..
[07:39] < paperclip> they are basically a tarball with the original tarball and some scripts/config
[07:39] < paperclip> i'd make the inner tarball download from the net and checked against a md5sum
[07:40] < paperclip> with of course a project mirror.. just incase the upstream disappears..
[07:40] < Mike1> that would be very fine
[07:40]   Mike1 wonders how did paperclip heard about rock linux
[07:41] < paperclip> it was linked from one of the embtools pages..
[07:41] < paperclip> let me see..
[07:41] < paperclip> https://www.fefe.de/ncp/
[07:42] < paperclip> i almost didn't clickthru =)
[07:42] < Mike1> :P
[07:44]   Mike1 still checking on midoris website
[07:45] < paperclip> it's sort of a pain to get started..
[07:45] < Mike1> how
[07:45] < paperclip> it fails to build on modern distros..
[07:46] < paperclip> i think redhat 7.2 was the latest system known to build
[07:46] < paperclip> i used debian potato in vmware
[07:47]   Mike1 uses rock linux guess no one has tested it to build
[07:47] < paperclip> probably not..
[07:48] < paperclip> pretty sure it's all dependant on your compiler..
[07:50] < Mike1> still i dont find that hard to get started on midori according to the docs on the web site
[07:50] < paperclip> it's not that hard..
[07:50] < paperclip> in theory..
[07:50] < paperclip> it's just a pain to get all the bits aranged the way you need them..
[07:50] < Mike1> it might even be usufull to get some fresh ideas for other projects i am working on
[07:51] < paperclip> also it's not the most widely used system ..
[07:51] < paperclip> i found a few bugs here and there..
[07:52] < Mike1> nice
[07:52] < paperclip> well.. i guess..
[07:54] < paperclip> anyway.. my basic idea for a fork would be niji linux.. midori is japanese for green.. niji is rainbow
[07:54] < Mike1> the sf page is down
[07:54] < paperclip> yeah.. and has been for a few hours..
[07:54] < Mike1> has it been kicked out of sf for inactivity?
[07:54] < paperclip> no..
[07:55] < paperclip> all of sf.net is down..
[07:55] < Mike1> mm... i see
[07:55] < Mike1> weird
[07:55] < paperclip> just for a few hours..
[07:56]   paperclip has been waiting for sf to go under
[07:56] < Mike1> ... anyways guess i will start with midori untill tomorrow as i an connected remotely to my office from somewhere else
[07:57] < paperclip> cool..
[07:58] < paperclip> may i bore you with some more of my rambling?
[07:59] < Mike1> u dont bore me go ahead
[07:59] < paperclip> you asked for it.. =)
[07:59] < Mike1> :)
[08:00] < paperclip> well.. the basic idea with midori is that you put all the files into a source dir.. and then run mlconfig..
[08:01] < paperclip> this extracts all the packages.. and parses the config data.. so that you can be presented with a nice html interface..
[08:01] < paperclip> it's nice in a way..
[08:01] < paperclip> but it uses frames.. etc..
[08:01] < paperclip> and i don't always use X
[08:01] < Mike1> mm.. is there a non html config tool?
[08:02] < paperclip> no.. i wound up using links
[08:02] < paperclip> it's pretty silly anyway..
[08:02] < Mike1> where does i download the sources from?
[08:02] < paperclip> it doesn't..
[08:02] < Mike1> mm....
[08:03] < Mike1> tell me how does that work
[08:03] < paperclip> you grab them all (wget) and put them in a dir
[08:03] < Mike1> i see
[08:03] < Mike1> is there a script that makes this or do i have to do it manually folling a list?
[08:03] < paperclip> i would make it so you get a small package.. that when configured to be built .. would download the tarball..
[08:03] < paperclip> that makes what?
[08:04] < Mike1> a script that downloads the packages *
[08:04] < paperclip> no..
[08:05] < Mike1> so i have to do it manually ..
[08:05] < paperclip> you just wget -m the whole dir from the midori.transmeta.com
[08:05] < paperclip> it's pretty simple..
[08:05] < Mike1> ok
[08:05] < Mike1> cant i make a package selection?
[08:05] < paperclip> tho.. it could be done by a fancy install script..
[08:06] < paperclip> yes.. once you have the package .. you can decide not to build it =)
[08:06] < paperclip> it's odd..
[08:06] < paperclip> you wouldn't be presented with the option if you didn't have the package downloaded either..
[08:07] < Mike1> ok
[08:07] < paperclip> since most of the packages havn't changed in over a year.. i had them on a cdr..
[08:08] < paperclip> so you download what you need.. run mlconfig.. it extracts everything you've downloaded.. parses the configinfo... presents you with an html interface..
[08:08] < Mike1> hehe sounds pretty simple
[08:08] < paperclip> you save a config for the whole build..
[08:08]   Mike1 thins packages should be updated btw
[08:08] < paperclip> then start building..
[08:09] < paperclip> Mike1: yeah.. obviously..
[08:09] < paperclip> what i'd like to see.. would be device specific configuration packages..
[08:10] < paperclip> so if you have a footronix set top box.. you could download a package that had sane a sane systemconfig
[08:10] < paperclip> and any device specific patches etc..
[08:10] < Mike1> sounds cool
[08:11] < Mike1> and the project seems to be very well documented at least
[08:11] < paperclip> yeah.. there's a load of room to extend it too..
[08:11] < paperclip> yeah.. it was well funded for a while..
[08:12] < paperclip> now that phoenix is a reality.. it could be really nice..
[08:21] < Mike1> ok i go home now
[08:21] < Mike1> talk to u tomorrow
[08:21] < Mike1> n8 all
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[08:51] < blindWorker> moin
[08:51] < blindWorker> fake: I've found a clean solution
[08:52] < blindWorker> fake: It's really enough to patch the specs file, but I removed too much the first time (I thought it would save me some time if I remove _all_ references to /usr/lib64 at once which was plain wrong)
[08:53] < blindWorker> fake: I removed 2 or 3 references and then glibc and kiss built like a charm
[08:53] < blindWorker> fake: Now I have to tweak the kernel config (which is not my fault, there are some errors in the kernel as far as I see it)
[08:53] < blindWorker> fake: like some missing header files and such thing
[08:58] < blindWorker> okay, I'm gone for bad again
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[09:25] < fake> hi
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[09:35] < [anders]> lo
[09:56] < blindcoder> tach
[10:07] < fake> hi blindcoder !
[10:08] < fake> blindcoder: gratulations!
[10:12] < blindcoder> thanks :)
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[10:18] < blindcoder> moin Ge0rG
[10:18] < Ge0rG> guten morgen :/
[10:19] < blindcoder> du wirkst ein wenig verschalfen
[10:19]   Ge0rG ist schon seit fast 3h wach
[10:19] < blindcoder> wow, bei mir sans 5 :)
[10:21]   blindcoder schaut mal kurz nach was es heute mittag zum mampfen gibt
[10:24] < blindcoder> hmm... ravioli oder ruehreier...
[10:32] < fake> oder beides.
[10:34] < blindcoder> *ARGH*
[10:35] < blindcoder> the configuration of linux in 1.7 is .... just... plain... crazy/stupid/useless/whatever
[10:35] < blindcoder> no matter what you do to architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf IT SIMPLY DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL
[10:36] < blindcoder> The final kernel .config has other values
[10:36] < blindcoder> WHY THE FUCK?
[10:36] < blindcoder> if you ask me (what nobody does anyway) scripts/Configure in the linux-2.4.19 is broken
[10:37] < blindcoder> it simply ignorews the default-values in .config
[10:37] < blindcoder> *grmpf*
[10:41] < blindcoder> well... let's let it run through once again...
[10:41] < blindcoder> be back around 11 to 11:15
[10:43] < fake> the kernel-config in 1.7 is very advanced and working
[11:07] < blindcoder> fake: well, not in this particular case
[11:08] < blindcoder> I have the following line in architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf:
[11:08] < blindcoder> # CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL is not set
[11:08] < blindcoder> and in the final .config this line looks like this:
[11:08] < blindcoder> CONFIG_PARPORT_SERIAL=m
[11:08] < blindcoder> and that breaks the whole build
[11:09] < fake> because it is selected in some standard-include you included.
[11:09] < blindcoder> because there is no asm/serial.h in sparc64
[11:09] < fake> it's completely WAE
[11:09] < blindcoder> I include NOTHING
[11:09] < fake> *sigh*
[11:09] < blindcoder> as far as In see it it's the scripts/Configure in the linux-kernel itself
[11:09] < fake> $arch/kernel.conf.m4
[11:10] < blindcoder> what is it with that file?
[11:10] < fake> the sparc64 kernel.conf is old, outdated
[11:10] < fake> see the mips-directory how to do it
[11:10] < fake> ;)
[11:11] < blindcoder> yes, but according to the linux.conf or lx_xonfig.sh file it is still valid
[11:11] < fake> but ugly
[11:12] < blindcoder> that's not the point
[11:12] < blindcoder> I don't even think it is rocklinux' mistake
[11:13] < esden> hi all
[11:13] < blindcoder> I read through the scripts/Configure file and found no evidence that it really uses the values found in .config but rather takes the values in arch/sparc64/defconfig
[11:13] < blindcoder> hi esden
[11:14] < fake> i doubt it ;)
[11:14] < blindcoder> well, everything points to this...
[11:14] < fake> hi esden!
[11:15] < esden> hmm ... ok I continue with the colorizer ...
[11:16] < blindcoder> I'll have another look at the sccripts
[11:16] < blindcoder> bye
[11:18] < fake> esden: i already wanted to "tollschock" you ;)
[11:18] < fake> but i had not time yesterday, either
[11:18] < fake> s,not,no
[11:19] < esden> you mean to overwhelm me ?
[11:19] < esden> with the new stuff you wanted to implement ?
[11:20] < esden> yes that is ok ... I am schort on time too ...
[11:20] < esden> so I can understand that
[11:20] < esden> perhups you find some time today ... ;-)
[11:22] < fake> o'course
[11:22] < fake> tollschocken is from "Clockwork Orange"
[11:23] < fake> it means hurting you, as a punishment
[11:30] < esden> stone.d *ROFL*
[11:31] < esden> autsch ...
[11:31] < fake> heh... at least you got the joke ;)
[11:32] < esden> I love this ... I want this rename !!!
[11:33] < blindcoder> okay
[11:34] < blindcoder> whoever created architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf in 1.7 has to be shot
[11:34] < esden> ok ... I sent out my rename proposal
[11:34] < fake> ... after the installation, you will get stone.d
[11:34] < esden> vote
[11:34] < esden> fake: *ROFL*
[11:34] < esden> hmm ... why are all people here looking at me so ... strange ?
[11:34] < blindcoder> wtf are PC-Style Configartions in there *ARGH*
[11:35] < esden> blindcoder: I have nothing to do with sparc ! ;-)
[11:35] < blindcoder> I'll delete it for now so that defconfig will be used and create a useful config when I'm home
[11:35] < blindcoder> esden: I sure hope so
[11:36] < blindcoder> whoever made this is either: a complete brain-dead idiot
[11:36] < blindcoder> or I'm a complete braindead idiot for not understanding what PC-Style configurationhas got to do with sparc64
[11:37] < blindcoder> okay, be left back after changing that
[11:37] < fake> blindcoder: check the changelog
[11:37] < fake> it may be rene ;)
[11:38] < esden> blindcoder: please check it ...
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[11:40] < esden> fake: do you have an idea if there is a function in java to convert 'String z = "B4"' to a integer ?
[11:41] < esden> I mean convert hexadezimal numbers in stringform to integer variables ?
[11:41] < fake> ((Integer)variable).intValue();
[11:41] < fake> maybe like that
[11:41] < blindcoder> hmmm looks like it was rene
[11:41] < blindcoder> *) 2002-05-23 (1.5.12 - 1.7.0)
[11:41] < blindcoder> - Rene Rebe: Added sparc64 stuff, updates in x11 and extra1,
[11:41] < blindcoder>               fixed bash for cross-building, small gcc[23] fixes,
[11:41] < blindcoder>               small glibc fixes, better etc/{modutils.conf,devfsd.conf},
[11:41] < blindcoder>               updated openssh-3.2.2p1 and util-linux-2.11r
[11:42] < fake> you cast it to an Integer (not int!) and get the int from that with .intValue();
[11:42] < blindcoder> that's the only mention of sparc64 in all the CHANGELOG*
[11:42] < esden> fake: ohh ... thanks
[11:42] < fake> esden: you might want to have a look at that class in javadoc
[11:44] < esden> yes I see it ... woot ... this class is really cool
[11:44] < esden> it is all I need ;-)
[11:45] < blindcoder> oaky, `mv kernel.conf fuckmegently.kernel.conf` and `./scripts/Cleanup` `./scripts/Build-Target`
[11:45] < blindcoder> let's see if it builds now and let's build a usable kernel.conf (or simliar system, have to have a look at it) when @home
[11:47] < fake> kernel.conf.m4...
[11:47] < blindcoder> as i said... or simliar
[11:47] < fake> commonly chosen values are put together in include files
[11:47] < blindcoder> I don't now nothing about m4
[11:47] < fake> include('filename')
[11:47] < fake> i think you might get that )
[11:47] < fake> ;)
[11:47] < blindcoder> sure I geht THAT
[11:48] < fake> that's it
[11:48] < blindcoder> but what about specific options for that architexture?
[11:48] < fake> *sigh*
[11:48] < fake> have a look at mips/kernel.conf.m4
[11:48] < fake> then you will understand.
[11:49] < blindcoder> I just had
[11:50] < blindcoder> but these are only general configs that are common among all archs
[11:50] < blindcoder> what about, for example, CONFIG_SOLARIS_EMUL=m
[11:51] < blindcoder> or CONFIG_SUN_OPENPROMIO
[11:51] < fake> *sigh*
[11:51] < fake> is it that hard?
[11:52] < fake> you define arch-specific #defs in the kernel.conf.m4
[11:52] < blindcoder> as I said, I don't know anything about m4...
[11:52] < blindcoder> yes, okay
[11:52] < fake> and things that youd don't care about, like filesystems etc, are included
[11:52] < fake> or scsi drivers
[11:52] < fake> or whatever
[11:53] < fake> you know all you need to know
[11:53] < blindcoder> hmm...
[11:53]   blindcoder taking away the "Brett vorm Kopf"
[11:54] < blindcoder> okay, so, generic things are included
[11:54] < blindcoder> (things I don't want to care about and leave this work to others"
[11:54] < blindcoder> )
[11:54] < blindcoder> and some things I define by hand
[11:54] < blindcoder> things I think should be there by default
[11:56] < blindcoder> hmm
[11:56] < blindcoder> okay I'll come up with it when I'm hoome and have a Sun Ultra to create what I think should be default
[11:57] < blindcoder> until then, I'll just continue compiling with the kernel's default for sparc64
[11:58] < blindcoder> okay, I'm gone again
[11:58] < blindcoder> getting some coffe
[11:58] < fake> cya!
[11:58] < blindcoder> e
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[12:34] < fake> esden: how's it going?
[12:54]   fake unpacking a Sun Blade 1000
[12:55] < esden> hmm ... I am nearly finished
[12:55] < esden> [javac] 16 errors
[12:58] < fake> oops.
[13:03] < esden> feddisch
[13:03] < esden> sweet ...
[13:03] < esden> ok ... add some comments and then commit
[13:05]   fake curious
[13:07] < esden> god I am so stupid >_<
[13:08] < esden> no I am not as stupid ... hmm
[13:09] < fake> hum?
[13:10] < blindcoder> sweet....
[13:10] < esden> ok one more test ...
[13:10] < blindcoder> I'm not only getting a Linux Workstation but also a GDM-90W10 Monitor
[13:14] < blindcoder> Aand if I can convince my boss that ROCK Linux is superior then I can install ROCK on a Sun Ultra60 !!!
[13:15] < fake> blindcoder: i will try to get the blade1000 as my desktop machine... *g*
[13:16] < blindcoder> hehe
[13:16] < blindcoder> good luck!
[13:17] < blindcoder> https://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_24_Premium_CRT.html
[13:17] < esden> fake: co
[13:17] < blindcoder> my new desktop monitor
[13:17] < blindcoder> code name: T-Rex
[13:18] < esden> blindcoder: ill
[13:19] < blindcoder> now I just need to find out how to operate it using Linux :)
[13:19] < esden> ok ... I go to eat something
[13:19] < esden> cu l8er
[13:19] < blindcoder> my boss said caution-klessly that he doesn't really need it
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[13:21] < fake> omfg...
[13:21] < hackbard> re
[13:21] < blindcoder> fake: whaty?
[13:21] < blindcoder> hi hackbard
[13:21] < fake> esden: we will look through that code together. for now, i have to accept the fact that it works. ;)
[13:25] < blindcoder> hmm...
[13:25] < blindcoder> let's see....
[13:25] < blindcoder> I have a box with ROCK standing around somewhere...
[13:25] < blindcoder> ah there it is...
[13:25] < blindcoder> Now... just lemme get this monitor.... *haehaehae*
[13:26] < blindcoder> okay, I don't know if I"ll be bak today....
[13:26] < blindcoder> see ya
[13:30] < blindcoder> Am I allowed to file a bugreport to lkml now:
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:126:2: #error Big endian bitfields not tested
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c: In function `fill_packet':
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:765: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:766: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:767: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:768: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:769: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:770: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:771: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:772: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:773: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:774: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:775: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:776: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> amdtp.c:780: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[13:30] < blindcoder> make[2]: *** [amdtp.o] Error 1
[13:32] < blindcoder> /flood
[14:06] < esden> re
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[14:07] < esden> fake have I not commented some parts enough ?
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[14:18] < blindcoder> okay
[14:18] < blindcoder> it's either cliffords or renes fault that the settings in architecture/sparc64/kernel.conf are overwritten...
[14:27] < blindcoder> okay, made compiling all modules a ./scripts/Config Option
[14:27] < blindcoder> now testing it and sending a patch if it works
[14:28] < blindcoder> And I'd like to shoot the one who made this always true _grrrrr*
[14:29]   esden guves blindcoder a nervgun
[14:29] < blindcoder> okay, cu later
[14:29] < blindcoder> thanks :)
[14:29] < blindcoder> now that someone is here I'll stay
[14:29] < esden> denada cu
[14:29] < esden> ahh
[14:29] < esden> kk
[14:30] < blindcoder> esden: Everything that was set to "DO NOT COMPILE" was automatically set to "DO COMPILE AS A MODULE"
[14:30] < blindcoder> so yin the linux kernel, that is
[14:30] < blindcoder> so I've made it a Config-Option :)
[14:30] < esden> lol
[14:31] < blindcoder> and it is either cliffords or renes fault
[14:31] < blindcoder> as their names are in the ChangeLog for these Modifications
[14:31] < esden> have I already said that I hate the xterm under solaris ? >_<
[14:31] < blindcoder> the problem is that some packages are horribly broken on sparc64
[14:31] < blindcoder> esden: me too
[14:31] < blindcoder> but I get a Linux Workstation and a T-Rex soon :)
[14:32] < esden> hrm ...
[14:32] < blindcoder> I'm currenlty X-Forwarding my xterm from a linux-Workstation :)
[14:32] < th> hmmm
[14:32] < blindcoder> hi th
[14:32] < th> UTP is unshielded twisted pair, isn't it?
[14:32] < blindcoder> yes it is
[14:33] < blindcoder> wait...
[14:33] < blindcoder> yes, yes it is
[14:33] < th> but it's CAT5
[14:33] < th> suitable for 100MBit
[14:33] < th> i thought 100MBit needs shielding
[14:33] < blindcoder> then it is SUTP: Screen unshielded twisted pair
[14:33] < blindcoder> Screened
[14:33] < th> ahhh
[14:33] < th> thanks
[14:33] < th> i wanted to know what S-UTP means
[14:33] < blindcoder> hehe
[14:34] < th> what about 24AWG / 26AWG?
[14:34] < th> cable standards?
[14:34] < blindcoder> that is... unknown to me
[14:34] < th> ok
[14:34] < th> so S-UTP is suitable for 100MBit ethernet?
[14:34] < blindcoder> yes
[14:35] < blindcoder> it may also mean shielded unscreened Twisted Pair, but it is definately 100MBit
[14:35] < th> ok thanks
[14:36] < esden> hi th
[14:36] < blindcoder> esden: the more code from 1.7 I read the more I am convinced that there will NOT be a 2.0 at CCC... I'm not even sure if I would release it as a pre
[14:38] < blindcoder> oh, well... be left back --> toilet
[14:44] < blindcoder> re
[14:44] < esden> re
[14:45] < blindcoder> okay, it seems to work :)
[14:47] < blindcoder> okay it does not
[14:47] < esden> https://www.explosivelabs.com/articles/sata/ <-- sweet article
[14:51] < th> esden: wie war das eigentlich mit mate-transportmoeglichkeit richtung koeln?
[14:52] < esden> ist leider wegen meinem zeit mangel unter den tisch gefallen :-(
[14:52] < th> und auch weiterhin nicht moeglich?
[14:53] < esden> nein leider nicht ... sorry
[14:53] < th> nagut :-/
[14:57] < blindcoder> okay... the config option was wrong, because of my misunderstanding... now I have to ask cliffi and rene.... --> starting mutt
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Thu Oct 24 15:23:29 2002
-!- Irrsi  Log opened Thu Oct 24 15:24:19 2002
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[15:24] < esden> re
[15:26] < blindcoder> re
[15:27] < blindcoder> okay, I was right with my assumption that clifford or rene are responsible for EVERY module being built... I just looked at the wrong place :)
[15:28] < blindcoder> and now architecture/$arch/kernel.conf IS honored correctly :)
[15:28] < fake> re
[15:28] < blindcoder> re fake
[15:29] < blindcoder> fake: did you know that, regardless of what you define in your mips/kernel.conf.m4 _ALL_ Modules are being built?
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[15:29] < blindcoder> hi tcr
[15:29] < blindcoder> in lx_config.sh, two configurations are being created
[15:30] < blindcoder> one that honors $arch/kernel_conf.whatever and one with ALL modules being activated and built
[15:30] < blindcoder> and there is no possibility to select which one is being used
[15:30] < blindcoder> always the latter (ALL modules) is being used (this is BAD)
[15:30] < tcr> moin all
[15:31] < blindcoder> does _anyone_ listen to my rant at all? *cry*
[15:32] < tcr> not listening, but a it at least got a fast read by me
[15:32] < blindcoder> does anyone listen to ME at all?
[15:32] < blindcoder> oh... okay :)
[15:34]   blindcoder thinking about playing several rounds of nethack to regain sanitiy from reading ROCKLinux Codee...
[15:36]   tcr doesn't care and listens to Children of Bodom - Children of Bodom to get insane, well.
[15:37]   fake doesn't listen at all, i learnt that in school.
[15:37] < esden> ok fake looks good
[15:44] < tcr> fake looks good?
[15:45] < blindcoder> okay, now linux has successfully cross-compiled as well as binutils
[15:47] < esden> tcr: he cleaned some code I have written
[15:47] < fake> esden: it's still not perfect
[15:47] < esden> yes I know
[15:48] < esden> you schould not tell colorizer with a boolean what to do ... but give references to methods it should use ...
[15:48] < esden> formatting methods
[15:49] < blindcoder> esden: that article sounds like a commercial
[15:49] < esden> hehe ... yes ...
[15:49] < blindcoder> "Drams will come true" "Do everything you want to do" "Faster" "Better" "Cooler"
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[15:49] < esden> but it shows som neat images
[15:49] < blindcoder> neat images I have on my hard disk :>)
[15:49] < litost> morning everyone
[15:49] < blindcoder> moin litost
[15:50] < fake> esden: no, the boolean is ok, it will never be more than to modes
[15:50] < esden> blindcoder: in /xxx/ directory ?
[15:50] < fake> two
[15:50] < esden> fake: are you sure ?
[15:50] < blindcoder> esden: not quite.... in /crypted/{images,videos}/
[15:50] < esden> I would not be so sure on your place
[15:50] < blindcoder> and that is a encryopted file system :)
[15:50] < blindcoder> usually not mounter
[15:50] < fake> esden: i care more about the construction of the ret-string, that has to be beautified.
[15:51] < fake> esden: nicht auf vorrat programmieren ;)
[15:51] < rolla> re
[15:51] < esden> when we have the colorizing stuff what is to be done next ?
[15:51] < esden> hi litost, rolla
[15:52] < litost> how's it going esden
[15:52] < esden> litost: I am fine thanks
[15:52] < esden> and you ?
[15:52] < litost> great (8
[15:54] < blindcoder> is it possible to compile gcc 2.95.3 with gcc 3.2 ?
[15:56] < esden> argh ... windows weenees
[15:57] < blindcoder> ³?
[15:57] < tcr> anyone running a websever and having the new config tool on his box?
[15:57] < esden> blindcoder: userfriendly
[15:58] < tcr> the mail archive isn't up to date.. unfortunately
[15:59] < tcr> nobody? *hmpf*
[15:59] < blindcoder> what config tool?
[15:59] < tcr> iirc clifford gave it the name stone
[15:59] < fake> esden: the recognition of names for colors is still missing
[16:00] < blindcoder> tcr: that one... have read that mail @work only, didn't try it yet
[16:00] < blindcoder> esden: have you tried compiling gcc 2.95.3 using gcc 3.2 ? or do you know if it is at all possible
[16:00] < tcr> i can't try it either, but im bored
[16:00] < esden> fake: yes right
[16:00] < esden> that is missing
[16:01] < fake> esden: you could checkin a TODO file, if you have time
[16:01] < fake> i have to set up the blade 1000 ;)
[16:01] < blindcoder> fake: what was it yesterday: `echo "Write a TODO file" >TODO`
[16:03]   esden needs nicotine
[16:03] < blindcoder> esden: okay I assume you know nothing about gcc 3.2
[16:03] < esden> blindcoder:
[16:03] < esden> ehmmm ... Ihave tried to compile 2 with 3 and it failed
[16:04] < blindcoder> okay that's what I wanted to no.. at least partially...
[16:04] < esden> but try it yourself ... perhups you will have luck
[16:04] < blindcoder> It failed, too. and I wanted to know if it is possible to do it or not
[16:04] < fake> two UltraSprac 3 750...
[16:05] < blindcoder> because else I'll just deactivate 2.95.3 when cross-compiling with a 3.2
[16:05] < esden> possible ... for sure ... when u make some hacking ;-)
[16:05] < blindcoder> erm... I don't want to patch 2.95.3... not really
[16:05] < esden> *g* why ? *FG*
[16:06]   fake wants to compile ROCK 1.7 - sparc64 on that box... *whines*
[16:06] < fake> maybe we can keep it one more week or so..
[16:06] < esden> fake: ask crash ;-)
[16:08] < blindcoder> fake: if your're lucky I'll have the cross-build this weekend
[16:08] < esden> ok /me off to DHR
[16:09] < blindcoder> bye esden
[16:09] < esden> fake: do some work on bWF2 today ;-)
[16:09] < esden> cu all
[16:12] < blindcoder> hmm... I think I'll leave early today
[16:13] < blindcoder> like right now...
[16:13] < blindcoder> yes, that's what I'll do, I'll leave now
[16:13] < blindcoder> byebye
[16:20] < fake> hey
[16:20] < fake> ... *snueff*
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[17:09] < Mike1> moin
[17:19] < d3mian> moin 2
[17:19] < Mike1> lo d3mian
[17:31] < Mike1> wow checkout from cvs.rocklinux.de is _SLOW_
[17:33] < tcr> hi Mike1
[17:35] < Mike1> hi there tcr
[17:36]   Mike1 is working on getting all the 1.5 packages so Clifford can rsync to the master mirror
[17:37]   tcr is working on that new config tool by clifford. And I agree his coding style particularly sucks :)
[17:37] < tcr> urgs, wrong word. s/particularly/partly/
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[18:25] < d3mian> hi capchaos , Freak , tcr
[18:26] < capchaos> hello d3mian
[18:26] < Freak> huhu
[18:26]   Mike1 needs [anders] and esden
[18:26] < Freak> awww how cute.
[18:27] < Mike1> for some questions about uml
[18:27] < Mike1> Freak: :)
[18:27] < Freak> (:
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[18:34] < owl> seid gegruesst
[18:34] < capchaos> hi owl *hug*
[18:34] < d3mian> the owl has come
[18:34] < d3mian> hi
[18:35] < owl> hi capchaos, d3mian
[18:35] < d3mian> the famous girl of the #rocklinux channel
[18:35] < d3mian> *g*
[18:35] < Freak> the famous girl on the internet
[18:35] < owl> d3mian: *lol* famous cuz only girl ;P
[18:35] < owl> Freak: *lol*
[18:35] < Freak> xactly my point
[18:35] < owl> Freak: i guess you mixed something up...
[18:36] < tcr> owl: the same could you say to god
[18:36] < tcr> *eg*
[18:38] < Mike1> owly!
[18:38] < Mike1> *bear hug*
[18:38] < owl> tcr: god? _NULL-pointer == god imho... so: _NULL=god; _NULL=owl; --> owl = god ;P
[18:38] < owl> hi Mike1
[18:38] < Mike1> welcome owly
[18:38] < rolla> Mikw
[18:38] < Freak> owl: what about _EINS then?
[18:38] < Mike1> rolla hi there!
[18:38] < Freak> devil?
[18:39] < owl> owl: _EINS is not way to disaster...
[18:39] < Freak> Freak: ic
[18:39] < Mike1> rolla: have you seem [anders] report to the our mailing list?
[18:39] < owl> but _NULL... if you use it in source code --> *boom* ;P
[18:39] < rolla> ? which one ?
[18:39] < rolla> about xmms ?
[18:39] < rolla> and stuff
[18:40] < Mike1> the one reporting his latest build with the gnome2.1 brand
[18:40] < rolla> yeah
[18:40] < Mike1> yes that one
[18:40] < rolla> I talked to him about it
[18:40] < rolla> my build is still going
[18:40] < Mike1> my build havent start :((
[18:40] < Freak> owl: right. this virus will let your computer explode.
[18:41] < Mike1> i am fetching the 1.5 sources so they can be uploaded to the master mirror
[18:41] < Freak> it uses the _NULL-function. ;)
[18:41] < owl> Freak: *g* oh cool ;)
[18:41] < Freak> wonder why I paid 5,99 for 22:23mins of always the same music
[18:41] < Mike1> mm.... The _NULL programming ...
[18:42] < Freak> not even a fucking quicktime video on it
[18:42] < owl> uh.. now this conversation becomes evil... let me give an overview: _NULL = god, virus, and is programmable...
[18:42] < Freak> uhm.. right.
[18:43] < owl> hehe ;) cool
[18:43] < Mike1> owl: sure god is real unless declared integer
[18:43] < Freak> someone pls blow up the freaking music industry.
[18:44] < owl> Mike1: believe what you wanna believe. i believe what i want to believe
[18:44] < d3mian> Mike1: but it cause overflows and when u get them ur ready to conquest the world by urself (Demian, March 6, 2001)
[18:44] < Mike1> Freak: does the Freaking music Freak you up?
[18:44] < Freak> freaking yes.
[18:44]   owl plays out loud: marilyn manson - lunchbox
[18:44] < Freak> what the freak ya wanna say with that?
[18:45] < Mike1> owl: so?
[18:45] < Freak> bbl (bzfreaking)
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[18:45] < d3mian> owl: u should belive whatu dunt believe.. that's the logic of sense
[18:45] < owl> d3mian: *grrrrrrrr*
[18:45] < d3mian> yeah, thats' right!
[18:46] < owl> "attention battery low"
[18:46] < owl> great
[18:46] < Mike1> asus ready to sleep?
[18:47] < owl> Mike1: nope. asus currently plugged in. but one of my mobile phones isn't... :-/ ericsson
[18:48] < Mike1> owl: :P
[18:48] < Mike1> btw how many mobile phones you got?
[18:48] < owl> 2 mobiles
[18:48] < Mike1> wtf do you need 2 mobiles to?
[18:48] < owl> *ggg*
[18:48] < blindcoder> rehi
[18:48] < Mike1> to call ur self from one to the other?
[18:48] < owl> moin blindy
[18:49] < owl> Mike1: exactly.
[18:49] < Mike1> *eg*
[18:49] < Mike1> hi blindcoder
[18:49] < d3mian> blindcoder
[18:49] < blindcoder> Mike1: no one else listens to her :)
[18:49] < blindcoder> d3mian:
[18:49] < owl> blindcoder: *g* yep. or even calls me
[18:49] < Mike1> blindcoder: guess so
[18:50]   Mike1 will call owl is she gives him her number
[18:50] < Mike1> s/is/if
[18:50] < owl> Mike1: *lol* nope!
[18:51] < blindcoder> sw33t...
[18:51] < blindcoder> sparc64 cross-compile comes until gcc2
[18:51] < Mike1> d3mian: i got email about tratagua, gimme an amount $ for ur work?
[18:53] < d3mian> Mike1: u decide that.. that works werent so effective.. so i consider the travel cost to San Pedro will be ok, at least
[18:53] < Mike1> how much would that be.. i will pay for ur time as well /me likes to be fair
[18:54] < Mike1> DAMN there are _ALOT_ of borken links for the 1.5 tree base packages
[18:55] < Mike1> paperclip: awake?
[18:55] < d3mian> Mike1: let's say 1 1/30 hours per visit at tratagua's place
[18:56] < d3mian> that's an average, less than effective time, but it's ok! i know that tratagua stuff wasnt so good
[18:57] < Mike1> d3mian: just tell me how much you want tratagua project is over
[19:01] < d3mian> aerm
[19:01] < Mike1> d3mian: nada mas quiero salir del enredo de platas con vos
[19:03] < d3mian> let's leave this table, dunt pay me nth, i debt u some money too, and thet didnt pay for the work done
[19:03] < d3mian> althoug i think one should try to get money from them
[19:03] < paperclip> mike..
[19:03] < Mike1> paperclip: !
[19:03] < paperclip> i just got to the kybd =)
[19:03] < Mike1> paperclip: i just fetched the midori cvs
[19:04] < Mike1> i will play with it now
[19:04] < paperclip> cool.. i was looking at it last night..
[19:04] < paperclip> looks like a load of updates..
[19:04] < Mike1> d3mian: dunno i consider tratagua a waste of time and money
[19:04] < paperclip> tho there is a note that says the cvs won't work..
[19:05] < Mike1> paperclip: well i just finished downloading from cvs so it does work
[19:05] < paperclip> looks like the cdboot package makes a bootable cd
[19:05] < Mike1> cat VERSION
[19:05] < Mike1> 1.0.0-beta4
[19:05] < paperclip> not that the cvs doesn't work.. but the files there are whack
[19:05] < d3mian> Mike1: me too. but would u forget about what they have to pay ?
[19:06] < Mike1> i am seriously thinking about it
[19:06] < Mike1> paperclip: ah i see
[19:06] < paperclip> Mike1: i was going to try and rebuild beta3
[19:06] < paperclip> and slowly move stuff in from the beta4
[19:06] < d3mian> Mike1: i think that's not good at least for me. i agree that the work made there wasnt almost nth! but i think is not right do sth for them free!
[19:06] < Mike1> beta4 seems to be there but i will follow ur advice and build beta3 first
[19:07] < d3mian> Mike1: better ask for money and go :p.. although that sounds bad :p
[19:07] < paperclip> ok
[19:07] < Mike1> d3mian: is not about doing work for free is about letting a "pega" go away and get rid of tons of dummy questions and troubles
[19:08]   paperclip is away: lunch n stuff
[19:08] < Mike1> d3mian: i will make william try to get some money from them
[19:08] < Mike1> paperclip: let me know when ur back :)
[19:08] < Mike1> enjoy food
[19:08] < paperclip> ok
[19:09] < d3mian> Mike1: im sorry i was unable to pay u before
[19:10] < Mike1> d3mian: i never asked you to pay me :P so please dont worry my friend
[19:10] < d3mian> Mike1: but u know that was the only project i took in several months.. at least for hack-sol
[19:11] < Mike1> d3mian: i know there have been more projects in the past 3 weeks
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[19:11] < paperclip> one quick note... it looks like downloading of source packages was either existing before, and not used.. or they've recently added it... if you look in the linux-2.4.19 build file.. you'll see ml_fetchfile..
[19:12] < d3mian> Mike1: i was never notified of that, i meant the work made by me for hack-solut
[19:13] < Mike1> d3mian: nope it was something that came up from one day to another
[19:13] < Mike1> and you were in san ramon
[19:13] < Mike1> though we will have more work in a week or so
[19:14] < d3mian> i just say i hope
[19:14]   Mike1 <AOL> me too </AOL>
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[19:17] < d3mian> now i have to leave to see why xfree build is failing.. and to think why g++ cant find its "includes" headers..and later to play baseball and fater that train soccer.. and maybe later i have to do a test and a homework.. maybe it's possible to come over here at night. cya
[19:18] < term_emu> hoi all
[19:19] < owl> hi term_emu
[19:19] < Mike1> cu d3mian
[19:19] < Mike1> hi term_emu
[19:22] < Mike1> I HATE YOU _OWL_ !!!
[19:22] < blindcoder> wazzup?
[19:22] < blindcoder> did i miss anything?
[19:22]   Mike1 away getting some coffee and trying to relax
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[19:27]   Mike1 is back now feeling more relaxed
[19:34] < Mike1> OWL!
[19:34] < Mike1> i dont hate you sorry
[19:34] < blindcoder> hmm
[19:34] < blindcoder> mine doesn't cross-compile
[19:34] < Mike1> blindcoder: :P
[19:34] < blindcoder> should this worry me?
[19:34] < blindcoder> Mike1: nani?
[19:35] < Mike1> ?
[19:35] < blindcoder> nani=what?
[19:35] < Mike1> blindcoder: nevermind
[19:36] < blindcoder> k
[19:38] < blindcoder> oky, gcc2 and mine now deactivated...
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[19:48]   Mike1 is away: working
[19:52]   owl rocks to: machine head - all in your head *headbang*
[19:52] < aszlig> owl: ey!
[19:52] < aszlig> owl: thief! thief!
[19:52] < owl> aszlig: :PPPPPP
[19:53] < owl> aszlig: really great music ;P as you know ;P
[19:53] < aszlig> owl: k ;)
[19:53] < owl> ;)
[19:54] < owl> aszlig: will you have your PC with you, next time we have school? ;)
[19:55] < aszlig> owl: sure i'll have ;)
[19:56] < owl> aszlig: cool. then i will take my notebook with me and the crossover-cable, too ;)
[19:56] < aszlig> owl: hehe
[19:56] < owl> aszlig: hm? ;)
[19:56] < blindcoder> oh... now I see why this conversation is so strange
[19:56] < aszlig> blindcoder: hehe
[19:57] < owl> blindcoder: ?
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[21:19] < paperclip> hey mike1
[21:19] < Mike1> hey paperclip
[21:21] < owl> re
[21:22] < paperclip> it looks like they are putting some sort of device specific config stuff here.. midori/sources/configurator/configurations/
[21:23] < Mike1> mm...
[21:23] < Mike1> brb
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[21:29] < blindcoder> ookaaayyy....
[21:29] < blindcoder> 8 packages don't want to get cross-compiled...
[21:30]   Mike1 wonders what arch is blindcoder cross-building for...
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[21:33] < blindcoder> sparc64
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[21:33] < tsa> tag
[21:33] < blindcoder> hi tsa
[21:33] < tsa> hi blindcoder
[21:33] < owl> tach tsa
[21:33] < blindcoder> Mike1: I've got this nice little Ultra 5 standing around, you see
[21:33] < tsa> hi owl
[21:33] < tsa> *hug*
[21:33] < blindcoder> and I may even get to install it on an Ultra 60 @work
[21:34] < blindcoder> that is... if I get it to work within two weeks
[21:35] < blindcoder> the problem is that some Makefile s (like make's or fileutils) want to execute the newly compiled programs
[21:35] < blindcoder> and I'm much too lazy to fix it this laet
[21:35] < blindcoder> late
[21:36] < Mike1> blindcoder: well get the lazyness away and fix it, it will be worth it
[21:37] < blindcoder> sure, but I can do that from @work, too.
[21:38] < blindcoder> and I'm almost falling asleep right now
[21:38] < blindcoder> and have to get up on 05:00 (yes, I know I just can't stop complaining)
[21:38] < blindcoder> but I definately will fix it, if not at least for getting rid of debian
[21:39] < blindcoder> That's why I like the easyness of ROCK Linux :)
[21:39] < blindcoder> I had a first look at 1.7 last Saturday :)
[21:39] < Mike1> blindcoder: you dont need to sleep just code straight till 5:00 and fix the stuff
[21:40]   paperclip passes blindcoder a double espresso
[21:40] < blindcoder> then I'll fall asleep at work, which isn't good either, cause I'm at the Hotline tomorrow >_<
[21:40] < Mike1> sleep is just phicological thing
[21:40] < blindcoder> paperclip: thanks, but that stuff makes me even more sleepy...
[21:40] < Mike1> Hotline ...
[21:40] < blindcoder> "Sleep? Isn't that a totally inefficient substitute for caffeeine?"
[21:40] < blindcoder> Mike1: yes... Siemens ICN Webmaster-Hotline
[21:41] < Mike1> ah
[21:41] < blindcoder> "I am too stupid to code in PHP, please kill me immediately"
[21:41] < blindcoder> "With pleasure" *presses 'e' like 'explode enemy telephone'*
[21:41] < blindcoder> "Have a nice day"
[21:42] < Mike1> hehe
[21:42] < owl> blindcoder: *lol*
[21:43] < blindcoder> one of these days I will definately implement this in SIEMENS Hicom-Telephone Systems
[21:53]   owl is almost dead. leaves you now.
[21:53] < owl> gn8. cu.
[21:54] < tsa> cu owl *huggingagain* ;)
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[21:57] < Mike1> hi LocalHero
[21:58] < LocalHero> Hi :)
[22:02] < fake> *ARGH*
[22:02] < blindcoder> fake
[22:02] < blindcoder> ?
[22:03] < fake> this fsck... indy... Warning: unable to open an initial console.
[22:03] < blindcoder> oh
[22:03] < blindcoder> fake: 8 packages don't want to cross-compile
[22:03] < blindcoder> the rest works like a charm now
[22:03] < fake> of _course_ there is no /dev/tty1 .
[22:03] < blindcoder> I'll have a look at them tomorrow
[22:03] < fake> blindcoder : does it run?
[22:03] < Mike1> fake: if you wanna get rid of the indy i volunteer to take it *g
[22:03] < blindcoder> fake: patch the kernel :)
[22:04] < blindcoder> fake: almost. I have to create one final diff
[22:04] < blindcoder> and then it works out-of-the-box
[22:04] < fake> blindcoder: i mean, does the system run on your U5 ?
[22:04] < fake> did you boot into it?
[22:05] < blindcoder> I don't know, I ahven't compiled all packages
[22:05] < blindcoder> some essential packages are still not building
[22:05] < blindcoder> like fileutils, m4 and make
[22:05] < blindcoder> and then I still have to create the Create-ISO script
[22:05] < blindcoder> but I think it will be done if I hack through the weekend
[22:07] < fake> fsck CreateISO
[22:07] < blindcoder> y?
[22:07] < fake> open U5, grab disc, open pc, boot, copy, disc -> U5, boot
[22:08] < blindcoder> erm...
[22:08] < blindcoder> well..
[22:08] < fake> or NFSROOT
[22:08] < blindcoder> yeah...
[22:08] < blindcoder> wait...
[22:08] < fake> i'd test it first
[22:08] < blindcoder> I'll open U5...
[22:08] < blindcoder> but
[22:08] < fake> eh?
[22:09] < blindcoder> NFSROT is better...
[22:09] < fake> i'd relly need some help with my problem now...
[22:09] < blindcoder> the disk in the Ultra is SCSI... and I don't have a PC-SCSI-Controller
[22:09] < blindcoder> so it will be nfsroot
[22:09] < fake> blindcoder: using tftpboot you need not even move the kernel onto the machone
[22:09] < fake> machine
[22:10] < fake> boot net \n
[22:10] < blindcoder> tftpboot?
[22:10] < fake> ;)
[22:10] < blindcoder> I never read into tftpboot
[22:10] < fake> trivial ftp
[22:10] < fake> not much to read
[22:10]   blindcoder using proftpd...
[22:10] < fake> *shaking head*
[22:10] < fake> tftp != ftp
[22:10] < blindcoder> so... desu ka?
[22:10] < fake> ftp = tcp, tftp = udp.
[22:11] < fake> tftp hat keine acces-controls
[22:11] < blindcoder> hmm.... so I need a daemon, don't I?
[22:11] < blindcoder> urks... sounds strange
[22:11] < blindcoder> but send me some links, I'll do it
[22:11] < fake> tftp is dumm wie brot - aber der client is klein und platzsparend
[22:11] < fake> daher passt er auch locker ins bios
[22:11] < fake> okay
[22:11] < blindcoder> ja, klingt genau so :)
[22:11] < fake> you should have tftpd on you machine
[22:12] < blindcoder> really? on 1.5?
[22:14] < blindcoder> yes... it's there
[22:14] < fake> tada.
[22:14] < blindcoder> but only the client
[22:14] < blindcoder> not the daemon
[22:16]   fake verweist auf google/tftpd
[22:16] < fake> sun-obp-specific search, i suggest
[22:16] < fake> and now i need to know WHY the HELL i get that error
[22:16] < blindcoder> which one?
[22:17] < fake> *sigh*
[22:17] < fake> nevermind.
[22:17] < blindcoder> aah
[22:17] < blindcoder> in.tftpd
[22:18] < fake> bingo
[22:18]   blindcoder editing inetd.conf
[22:19] < LocalHero> blindcoder, does netbooting work on all cards? Dont you need that extra chip on the network controller?
[22:19] < blindcoder> fake says: no
[22:19] < blindcoder> but on ix86 you DO need it, that much I know
[22:20] < blindcoder> I don't know if it's the same with Sun
[22:20] < fake> obp supports it.
[22:20] < LocalHero> ok :)
[22:20] < fake> and some network cards support it off-the-shelf
[22:20] < LocalHero> fake, oki, nice ;)
[22:21] < fake> most unix-workstations (real computers) support that kind of stuff ;)
[22:21] < blindcoder> fake: regarding those 8 packages... I think I'll just ignore the fact that mine 0.0pre8 doesn't cross-compile, shouldn't I?
[22:21] < blindcoder> fake: and now just boot net?
[22:21] < fake> i don't care, but i _do_ care about Warning: unable to open an initial console!
[22:21] < blindcoder> patch the kernel, create a symlink
[22:22] < fake> blindcoder: how should i know? find a manpage, you might also need a dhcp config
[22:22] < fake> blindocer: that's you way of fixing anything, right? *eg*
[22:23] < blindcoder> fake: IWFM(TM)
[22:23] < LocalHero> fake, well, unix systems are nice. But i think they have lots of other problems. For examle, have you seen a sun workstation that is fast? We have those super new ones at school and they are still anoying slow :(
[22:23] < LocalHero> and they cost to much
[22:23] < blindcoder> I have an e10k at work...
[22:23] < fake> i have a sunblade 1000 at work, and hell, it is damn fast.
[22:24] < fake> LocalHero: maybe by chance you have SunRays?
[22:24] < th> anyone experience with v4l?
[22:24] < fake> *handup*
[22:24] < th> cool
[22:24] < th> i'm using xawtv
[22:25] < fake> in exchange for help with "initial console" problem
[22:25] < th> and set xawtv.device: /dev/v4l/video0
[22:25] < th> via Xdefaults
[22:25] < fake> okay... ?
[22:25] < th> included console support?
[22:26] < th> i'm afraid i might not be able to help you
[22:27] < th> would you still listen to my problem?
[22:28] < blindcoder> urks... I need rarp
[22:28] < th> blindcoder: rarpd and /etc/ethers are your friends
[22:30] < fake> th: i checked that. i will now try to create dev/console with mknod. maybe the console-driver for the newport console is not devfs-aware.
[22:30] < fake> anyhows, please continue
[22:30] < th> ok
[22:30] < th> as i said i set awtv.device: /dev/v4l/video0
[22:31] < fake> ack.
[22:31] < th> and now xawtv does not allow resolutions greater than 640x480 or such
[22:32] < blindcoder> okay, I need to recompile my kernel for rarpd to be able to compile
[22:32] < blindcoder> so I definately won't do so today
[22:32] < th> blindcoder: i don't think so
[22:32] < th> blindcoder: just use rarpd
[22:32] < fake> th: really?
[22:33] < blindcoder> rarpd.c:329: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[22:33] < blindcoder> rarpd.c:332: `ARPOP_REVREQUEST' undeclared (first use in this function)
[22:33] < blindcoder> rarpd.c:334: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[22:33] < blindcoder> (last message repeats 4 times)
[22:33] < th> blindcoder: there is a rock-binary package ;)
[22:33] < blindcoder> but I do not have a binary package
[22:33] < th> get one
[22:34] < fake> ftp th ; bin ; get binary-package ; bye ;
[22:34] < blindcoder> oh... I DO have one...
[22:34] < th> fake: and why is xawtv "locking" v4l device?
[22:34] < th> fake: i tried s.t. like v4lctl vtx line1 line2 [ ... ]
[22:34] < blindcoder> SIOCSRARP: Invalid argument
[22:34] < th> (Display  subtitles.)
[22:34] < blindcoder> okay, I need to recompile the kernel
[22:35] < th> blindcoder: hmmm perhaps you've been right. strange.
[22:35] < th> blindcoder: i did not need rarp in kernel
[22:35] < blindcoder> th: maybe you already have
[22:35] < th> fake: v4l2: open /dev/v4l/video0: Device or resource busy
[22:35] < th> v4l: open /dev/v4l/video0: Device or resource busy
[22:35] < th> no grabber device available
[22:35] < th> blindcoder: i don't think so
[22:36] < blindcoder> erm... I do need an image file for booting from net, don't I?
[22:36] < fake> th: ahuh? i don't know why xawtv locks it, i didn't decide that ;)
[22:36] < fake> your problem is the resizing?
[22:37] < th> blindcoder: grub is your friend pxe-image
[22:37] < th> fake: yes.
[22:37] < th> fake: i want to have a bigger tv-image
[22:37] < fake> th: what if you put the device into the .xawtv ?
[22:37] < blindcoder> th: nver had a look at grub... *argh* this is all so complex at a time like this...
[22:37] < blindcoder> I go to bed
[22:37] < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai! (good night)
[22:37] < th> fake: there is no xawtvrc option for that
[22:38] < th> fake: and without the device-option i have no problems
[22:38] < th> fake: but i WANT to use v4l
[22:38] < fake> hum... \
[22:38] < fake> i dind't experience that - i passed the device on the cmdline IIRC
[22:39] < th> hmm
[22:39] < fake> sorry...
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[22:49] < fake> hm... *greppingkernelsources*
[22:51]   fake is irritated
[22:51] < fake> the current 1.7 is building much too well
[23:17] < th> wie guck ich mir svideo in von der hauppauge mit mplayer an?
[23:19] < fake> mplauer uh
[23:19] < fake> da gibt es so eine fiese ewig lange option
[23:19] < fake> warte mal kurz
[23:19] < fake> *anderenrechnerhochfahr*
[23:21] < th>                   input=<value>     available: television,
[23:21] < th>                                     s-video, composite, etc
[23:21] < fake> der sgi-newport-konsolen-treiber weiss nix von devfs. deswegen der fehler beim booten.
[23:21] < th> Error: value 'device=/dev/v4l/video0:input=s-video' of option 'tv' is out of range
[23:23] < fake> fsck
[23:23] < fake> ich hab das script geloescht
[23:24] < fake> sorry >_<
[23:24] < th>        Input from standard V4L
[23:24] < th>               mplayer   -tv   on:driver=v4l:width=640:height=480:outfmt=i420  -vc
[23:24] < th> hmmm mal testen ;)
[23:24] < fake> genau so.
[23:24] < th> Playing TV
[23:24] < th> No such driver: v4l
[23:25] < fake> hast mplayer --enable-v4l oder so gemacht?
[23:25] < fake> oder --enable-tv
[23:25] < fake> oder sowas
[23:25] < th> uhm?
[23:25] < th> die option gibts nich
[23:25] < fake> beim configure
[23:25] < fake> sischa.
[23:25] < th> achso
[23:25] < th> er wuerde doch nicht "Playing TV" sagen, wenn ich das nicht haette?
[23:26] < th> aber ich teste es mal
[23:27] < fake> == 23:27:17 =[5]=> Building rene/xemacs [21.4.9 1.7-snapshot].
[23:27] < fake> -> Reading package configuration from pkg dir.
[23:27] < fake> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
[23:27] < fake> !> This package hangs with "Testing for Lisp shadows ..."
[23:27] < fake> !> in a reference build. So I disabled it. [Clifford]
[23:27] < fake> == 10/24/02 23:27:17 =[5]=> Aborted building package xemacs.
[23:27] < fake> *lol*
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[23:38] < snyke> ich HASSE XCHAT
[23:39] < th> fake: tv is beim configure per default enabled
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[23:56] < tsa> ./configure --disable-tsa --enable-bed
[23:56] < tsa> n8
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