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00:42 < tsa> n8
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02:10 < huebi> all my tested changes are now comitted to cvs. linux-header works now on ia32 and sparc64.
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03:11 < huebi> good night. All my changes are in cvs now.
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09:16 < fake> morschn *GAEHN*
09:26 < aszlig> hullo fake
09:26 < fake> hi aszlig
09:49 < fake> IT WORKS!
09:49 < fake> STRIKE!
09:49 < fake> *chaka*
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10:13 < fake> hi Ge0rG
10:18 < snyke> ekaf
10:20 < snyke> fake | ekaf
10:20 < snyke> mirroring :)
10:30 * fake is off to sun in a minute
11:33 < fake> hum...
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12:07 < hackbard> re
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14:42 < praenti> hi
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14:50 < kasc> moin
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15:06 < capchaos> hi
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15:59 < Mike1> moin
16:11 < th> hi Mike1
16:15 < rolla> Mike
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18:34 < holyolli> moin
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18:46 < armijn> re
18:46 * Mike1 grabs a beer and gives it to armijn, then leaves for lunch ... cheers my friend
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19:21 < huebi> moin!
19:21 < huebi> fsck, armijn just left.
19:23 < huebi> accidently I've been to the "AMD Developers Symposium 2002" today.
19:25 < huebi> I had a talk to Justin Boggs the developer center manager of AMD. To get access to a Hammer machine doens not seem to be a big problem. Also the port of ROCK Linux should be much easier than the sparc64 port.
19:27 < huebi> me reading mail
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19:36 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
19:38 < huebi> tach blindcoder
19:38 < blindcoder> hi huebi
19:38 < blindcoder> how's 1.5 doing?
19:40 < huebi> blindcoder: very fine. I still have to go to the office and have to look what did happen in the last 10h in the 3 builds I started.
19:40 < blindcoder> sweet
19:40 * blindcoder now fixing iproute2 in 1.7
19:40 < blindcoder> whoever is the maintainer of it has to be shot
19:41 < huebi> blindcoder: have a look in 1.5. It should almost work.
19:41 < blindcoder> well... it _does_ work... if you compile it for your system
19:41 < blindcoder> cross-building it definately _can't_ work
19:42 < blindcoder> `cat Makefile`
19:42 < blindcoder> # Path to parent kernel include files directory
19:42 < blindcoder> KERNEL_INCLUDE=/usr/src/linux/include
19:42 < blindcoder> LIBC_INCLUDE=/usr/include
19:42 < blindcoder> if this _ever_ worked for a cross-build I start using Windows again
19:42 < huebi> hehe
19:42 < huebi> 19:24 < huebi> I had a talk to Justin Boggs the developer center manager of AMD. To get access to a Hammer machine doens not
19:42 < huebi>                seem to be a big problem. Also the port of ROCK Linux should be much easier than the sparc64 port.
19:43 < blindcoder> sw33t
19:43 * blindcoder having some trouble with sparc64 in 1.7 >_<
19:46 < esden> hi all
19:47 < blindcoder> hi esden
19:47 * -> esden is thinking about going to bitz
19:47 < esden> no ... I am so unproductive ... and fake has no time ... :-/
19:48 < huebi> moin esden !
19:48 < blindcoder> hehe
19:48 < huebi> esden: You could test the 64Bit awareness of QT. :))))
19:49 < blindcoder> okay, it was clifford >-<
19:49 < huebi> esden: or fix the LCD stuff in 1.5
19:49 < blindcoder> >_<
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19:50 < owl> seid gegruesst / hi
19:50 < huebi> blindcoder: use only the headers in usr/include. This is the recommended way.
19:50 < blindcoder> hi owly
19:50 < huebi> tach owl
19:50 < owl> moin blindy
19:50 < owl> hi huebi
19:51 < blindcoder> huebi: the problem is stage 1
19:51 < blindcoder> it uses the includes and kernel-sources of the _host_ not the _target_-system
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19:53 < huebi> hi Mike1
19:54 < huebi> blindcoder: $root/usr/include would be the correct path in 1.5
19:54 < Mike1> hi huebi
19:55 < esden> huebi: forget QT ... 
19:55 < esden> ;-)
19:55 < esden> you have to pay me so I take care of QT
19:55 < blindcoder> huebi: in theory it is in 1.7, too
19:55 < blindcoder> but now I get a "$root/usr/src/linux/include/linux/inetdevice.h:165: warning: implicit declaration of function `ffz'"
19:56 < huebi> esden: ok 0.02 Cent if your work is perfect.
19:57 < huebi> blindcoder: OK. I send you a bootable "ROCK Linux 1.5.20 sparc64 CD".
19:57 < blindcoder> that's not the point
19:57 < blindcoder> I'm not compiling for sparc
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19:58 < owl> re
19:58 < blindcoder> not right now, that is
19:58 < huebi> blindcoder: PlayStation?
19:59 < blindcoder> 486 ;)
20:00 < blindcoder> I want something to put on my new "router"
20:00 < huebi> ahh, old plaz station
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20:07 < Mike1> huebi: so are you sure you wanna use my rsync ?
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20:08 < blindcoder> erm...
20:09 < blindcoder> can someone do a man ffz and tell me in which lib it is?
20:09 < Mike1>  huebi: are you sure you wanna use my rsync server?
20:09 < blindcoder> ahhh
20:09 < blindcoder> forget me
20:09 < blindcoder> forget it
20:09 < blindcoder> I mean...
20:09 < blindcoder> *Argh
20:09 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, why not? You set it up and now I don't need to do that. But you can get almost all packages from my server. In the moment a few are missing but I up date it in the next days.
20:09 * Mike1 forgetting blindcoder ...
20:12 < blindcoder> d'ouh
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20:13 < _NULL> *arghl*
20:14 < Mike1> huebi: yes i already got the packages from ur server
20:14 < Mike1> and thought of updating packages
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20:15 < Mike1> it wont be that hard for me as i need then anyways
20:15 < huebi> Mike1: These are all the packages used in 1.5 since 1.5.12
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20:16 < Mike1> i will see if i can get the gnome2.1 list ready for you during the week though i wam busy
20:16 < Mike1> huebi: also as i already said i am getting the stuff ready for adding our first ineternational language support which is spanish
20:16 < Mike1> :)
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20:16 < huebi> Mike1: kool. :-)))
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20:17 < Mike1> huebi: ack
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20:17 < Mike1> huebi: can i add something to the install_shell and menu?
20:17 < blindcoder> why is iproute2 even compiled in stage1 ???
20:17 < Mike1> we need to have something to get people to choice the install language
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20:20 < rolla> :)
20:20 < blindcoder> hi rolla
20:20 < rolla> hallo
20:20 < rolla> what are you up too blindcoder ?
20:21 < Mike1> documents will be fully translated by friday
20:21 < blindcoder> x-comipling iproute2
20:21 < _NULL> moin rolla
20:22 < huebi> Mike1: yes, please do it.
20:22 < rolla> hallo owl
20:22 < rolla> Owl I have new car ;)
20:22 < blindcoder> it doesn't x-compile to _any_ platform so I think it should be thrown out of Stage 1
20:23 < _NULL> rolla: hm. congrats.
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20:25 < Mike1> huebi: do you wish to add gnome2 to base or ext?
20:26 < huebi> Mike1: ext
20:26 < huebi> er
20:26 < huebi> no
20:26 < huebi> to opt.
20:26 < Mike1> opt ...
20:26 < Mike1> und keep 1.4 in base?
20:27 < huebi> if 2.1 works I want to get rid of 1.4
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20:31 < hackbard> gnome, bah - sux! ;)
20:31 < Mike1> hackbard: :P
20:31 < huebi> Mike1: gnome 1.4 is in opt (opt = base packages not installed by default).
20:32 < huebi> moin hackbard
20:32 < Mike1> huebi: ack
20:32 < blindcoder> hi hackbard
20:32 < hackbard> hi Mike1 huebi blindcoder :)
20:33 < Mike1> huebi: would you like /me to add the gnome2.1 packages ...?
20:35 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, but remove also all gnome1.4 packages, too.
20:35 < Mike1> 0_o?
20:35 < Mike1> ok so i get totally rid of gnome.14
20:35 < huebi> Mike1: or just send me your source tree and I can merge it then.
20:35 < Mike1> and include gnome2.1 to opt
20:36 < Mike1> huebi: as you wish my friend i think i can handle it
20:36 < huebi> merge it in cvs even..
20:36 < huebi> gnome2 can be added to /usr. I moved kde to /usr, too.
20:37 < Mike1> tell you what before i commit i will sent you the tree with my changes so you can test it and run a build on it
20:37 < Mike1> then if you are happy with the results of the build i commit
20:37 < huebi> ACK
20:37 < Mike1> ./usr sounds just fine
20:37 < Mike1> ok i will work on this now my friend
20:37 < Mike1> :)
20:38 < huebi> Mike1: Your tree without Gnome1.4 and with Gnome2.1 added I meen.
20:38 < Mike1> ah
20:38 < Mike1> i see
20:38 < Mike1> mom
20:39 < rolla> Owl thanks
20:39 < huebi> Mike1: Then I can see what is added and what is removed.
20:39 < huebi> hi rolla
20:41 < blindcoder> hmm....
20:41 < blindcoder> I think I know how I can get gcc3 to compile w/o wanting to include syslimits.h ...
20:41 < blindcoder> damn... need to recompile...
20:42 < blindcoder> rolla: do you have the tarball now?
20:42 < blindcoder> I need to make space on my hard disk >_<
20:42 < Mike1> huebi: ok i will make a tarball for you now
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20:46 < blindcoder> okay, be back in 20 minutes or so
20:48 < huebi> Mike1: Thank you.
20:49 < huebi> Mike1: can you upload it somewhere?
20:49 < Mike1> yes just on second ...
20:50 < huebi> Mike1: do you have it now? Great!
20:50 < Mike1> huebi: of course :)
20:50 < Mike1> but its my tree
20:51 < Mike1> and its not 100% sync with cvs
20:51 < Mike1> ok?
20:51 < huebi> Yes, that's ok. I just need the differences for gnome.
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20:52 < Mike1> master huebi: https://odin.informatica.co.cr/~mike/projects/rock/rock-gnome-2.1.tar.bz2
20:53 < huebi> I got it ;-))))
20:53 < Mike1> eggcellent :)))
20:53 < Mike1> feel free to ask stuff i you like
20:54 < Mike1> we have made several changes besides gnome2.1 so be carefull some extension packages have been added
20:54 < Mike1> added to base*
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20:59 < term_emu> tog
21:01 < capchaos> hallo
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21:02 < tsa> tag
21:03 < capchaos> hi tsa
21:04 < tsa> hi capchaos
21:09 < blindcoder> reeeeeee hi
21:10 < capchaos> na blindy
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21:11 < blindcoder> jo cappy?
21:12 < blindcoder> *yawn* I think I'll go to bed...
21:12 < _NULL> re
21:13 < _NULL> blindcoder: are you in train tomorrow?
21:13 < _NULL> hi tsa, capchaos, term_emu
21:13 < blindcoder> _NULL: I think so, why?
21:13 < tsa> hi owlita
21:13 < _NULL> blindcoder: just wanted to know.
21:13 < capchaos> hallo _NULL *knuddel&hug*
21:14 < blindcoder> Well, I can't go home before 17:00 (Hotline >_<) so I think I'll take 17:53
21:14 < _NULL> capchaos: nope
21:14 < _NULL> blindcoder: well ;)
21:15 < _NULL> blindcoder: bye. gn8
21:15 < blindcoder> n8
21:15 < capchaos> gn8, _NULL
21:15 < _NULL> capchaos: ich geh' doch ned ins bett
21:15 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai, mina-san! (Sleep good, everyone!)
21:15 < capchaos> oh.. gn8 blindcoder
21:15 < capchaos> _NULL: egal *hug*
21:16 < _NULL> capchaos: MANN! FASS MICH NICHT AN!#
21:17 < capchaos> _NULL: warum so fremdenscheu?
21:17 < _NULL> capchaos: s/fremdenscheu/menschenscheu
21:17 < _NULL> hat halt so seine gruende.
21:17 < capchaos> _NULL: du bistn mensch? *abduschen geh*
21:18 < _NULL> _NULL: nein, ich bin ein NULL-pointer
21:18 < rolla> ha ha
21:19 < _NULL> rolla: don'
21:19 < capchaos> _NULL: echo "hug" > /dev/_NULL
21:19 < _NULL> t laugh. it's true ;)
21:19 < _NULL> capchaos: *lol* yes.
21:19 < _NULL> but: /dev/null
21:20 < capchaos> chown capchaos /dev/null
21:21 < _NULL> *huestel*
21:21 < _NULL> chown nobody /dev/null
21:23 < Mike1> chown: changing ownership of `/dev/null': Operation not permitted
21:23 < Mike1> sorry owlita you cant :P
21:23 < _NULL> Mike1: ;P
21:26 < _NULL> *yawning* wuah. i guess i'm not tired, i think i'm almost dead or so... :-///
21:27 < capchaos> mv _NULL /dev/bed
21:27 < Mike1> kill -HUP _NULL
21:27 < _NULL> capchaos: still not... have to work a little bit until about 22 o'clock
21:27 < _NULL> Mike1: eh, that's "fies" ;P
21:32 < huebi> brb. must go to the office to get my harddrive with all my ROCK Linux sources.
21:32 < Mike1> lol
21:32 < Mike1> have fun
21:32 < huebi> yepp...
21:32 < capchaos> _NULL: what are you working on now?
21:33 < _NULL> capchaos: on falling not asleep ;P
21:33 * capchaos hands _NULL a big cup of coffee
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21:34 < Mike1> ah Freak just in time
21:34 < capchaos> hi Freaky
21:34 < Mike1> Freak: owlita was missing you
21:34 < capchaos> hehe
21:34 < _NULL> capchaos: no coffee please
21:34 < Mike1> *vbeg*
21:34 < _NULL> hi Freak
21:34 < Freak> hi owl
21:34 < Freak> capchaos: hi schatzi
21:34 < Mike1> schatzi!! OMG
21:35 * Mike1 steps away
21:35 < capchaos> Freak: still on OFTC? thought you were fed up with not becoming an ircop ;)
21:35 < Freak> Mike1: thats a good boy.
21:35 < Freak> Mike1: sit
21:35 < Mike1> lol
21:36 < Freak> capchaos: another "still" sentence on that I could reply you so easily and I won't.
21:36 < capchaos> Freak: no replay is a replay, too.
21:36 < capchaos> s/replay/reply ;)
21:36 < Freak> right.
21:37 < capchaos> Freak: how's mandrake 9.0 ? ;-)
21:38 < Mike1> mandrake 9.0 .... Freak is using that @#$%& ?
21:38 * Mike1 disapointed
21:38 < capchaos> Mike1: ask him.
21:38 < Freak> Mike1: don't bother, I won't answer.
21:39 < Mike1> no worries i will find it out by my self :)
21:39 < Mike1> kiss owl while i find it out
21:39 < Freak> its not rock anyways.
21:40 < Freak> but I never said I was a ROCKer
21:40 < Mike1> :)
21:40 < Freak> --- Received a CTCP VERSION from Mike1 -- heh, does the answer satisfy you?
21:40 < Mike1> Freak: no worries i just had a very bad experiences with mdk several years ago
21:41 < Freak> (=
21:41 < capchaos> Mike1: dito
21:43 < Mike1> Freak: not the ctcp as it was just a distraction :) but yes i found my answer :)
21:44 < Freak> thats fine
21:46 < Mike1> linuid :P
21:48 < Freak> heh
21:50 < Freak> hey its more innovative than odin
21:50 < Freak> at least.
21:50 < Freak> ;)
21:50 < Mike1> Freak: yeap :)
21:54 < Mike1> Freak: how long have you been using debian?
21:54 < Freak> for about 5 months now
21:55 < Mike1> ah i see
21:55 < Freak> and cap is right, I was on mdk before that
21:55 < Freak> for about the same time..
21:55 < Mike1> lol
22:07 < tsa> *yawn*
22:07 < tsa> hm..
22:07 < tsa> fun with ctcp version ?
22:08 < tsa> hm..
22:08 < huebi> re
22:08 < tsa> moin huebi
22:09 < huebi> brb. reboot
22:10 < Mike1> tsa: ?
22:10 < tsa> just testing ;)
22:10 < Mike1> testing what?
22:11 < tsa> common used irc clients ;')
22:12 < tsa> _NULL: are you really using windoze? why?
22:12 < _NULL> tsa: windows yes.
22:12 < huebi> re
22:12 < Mike1> welcome back Andreas
22:12 < tsa> re huebi
22:14 < huebi> hi Mike1
22:14 < huebi> hi tsa
22:14 < _NULL> re huebi
22:14 < Mike1> tsa: well if you wanna find out if i use windows you will get disapointed :)
22:14 < huebi> huhu owlita ;-)
22:15 < tsa> Mike1: i wouldn't have expected anything else ;)
22:15 < _NULL> huebi: *lol* jetzt faengst du auch noch damit an *verzweifel* ;)
22:17 < Mike1> tsa: mmm gut
22:17 * huebi preparing download of all missing sources for gnome2.1
22:18 < tsa> huebi: that's owl's way to tell you she wants a hug from you.. ;)
22:18 < _NULL>  /lynch tsa
22:19 < Mike1> tsa: how many times do i have to tell ya she only likes groups hugs
22:19 < _NULL> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
22:19 * Mike1 hugs owlita
22:19 * _NULL escapes
22:19 < _NULL> gn8. cu
22:19 * tsa hugs owlita
22:19 < Mike1> :PP
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22:20 < Mike1> not fast enought for you huh tsa ?
22:20 < Mike1> :)
22:22 < Freak> wonder what radio station I'm listening to.. they have some cool house music mix on
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22:45 < tsa> hehe
22:45 < Mike1> bwahahhaha
22:45 < Mike1> :)
22:45 < Mike1> no worries i wont tell
22:46 < tsa> i guess there's nothing you could tell anyone...
22:46 < capchaos> tsa: how comes?
22:46 < Mike1> ack
22:47 < tsa> capchaos: hm?
22:47 < capchaos> tsa: you know what ;)
22:47 < tsa> capchaos: no, i don't. speak freely.
22:47 < capchaos> you're on a winblowz box
22:47 < capchaos> how comes that?
22:47 < tsa> nope.
22:48 < capchaos> emulating mirc?
22:48 < tsa> just a faked version reply (sorry, mike1 ;)
22:48 < Mike1> mac os x
22:48 < tsa> neither.
22:48 < capchaos> oh
22:48 < tsa> this is nothing but a linux box.
22:48 < Mike1> tsa: aight :P
22:49 < tsa> ...you could have found out yourself taking a closer look at the version.
22:49 * Mike1 needs to change harddrive on his box
22:49 < Mike1> brb
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22:49 < tsa> i guess it'll need several more years to have a 128bit-version of mirc
22:49 < tsa> same for version 6.66 ;)
22:51 < tsa> (btw..this is xchat, if you really want to know...)
22:52 < huebi> tsa: I learned very much about 64bit today and in the last week.
22:52 < tsa> huebi: nice, how come?
22:52 < tsa> huebi: x86 64bit or what?
22:52 < huebi> accidently I visited the AMD developer symposium today.
22:53 < tsa> hehehe
22:53 < huebi> ack x86-64
22:53 < tsa> well, imho x86 isn't a very well-designed architecture..
22:53 < huebi> I just wanted to vist the LinuxWorld and ther was a sign to AMD at the entrance.
22:54 < tsa> i'd really prefer something like sparc64 or other risc stuff, but it's just too expensive for me..
22:54 < huebi> tsa: Perhaps you're right. But 32Bit stuff just runs on it.
22:54 < tsa> (a u60 with dual 450mhz would be nice ;)
22:55 < huebi> Porting is very easy and I hope I'll get an account on an hammer in Sunnyvale.
22:56 < huebi> I had a talk with the Developer Center Manager about that.
22:56 < tsa> the u10 here is a good start, but it's still too slow, so i still mainly use my x86 box..
22:56 < huebi> my U5 is 7 times slower than my PC.
22:57 < huebi> 270MHz
22:58 < huebi> I also talked to SUN today. The most approved thing you can get from them is arrogance.
22:58 < tsa> i'd really like to work with sparc64 only, but for that i'd need a machine as fast as my current x86 box
22:58 < tsa> hehe
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22:59 < tsa> re Mike1
22:59 < huebi> re Mike1
22:59 < Mike1> re
22:59 < rolla> Mike
23:00 < huebi> The hammer cpus are running in the moment with ~800MHz as I have seen at LinuxWorld. But I bet they will raise the speed to at least 2GHz
23:04 < tsa> ..and the power consumption to above 2kW .. ;-)
23:06 < huebi> tsa: No, will be about the same as the actuall Athons have.
23:07 < tsa> way too much, that is.
23:09 < esden> hi all
23:10 < huebi> tsa: Do you know what an UltraSparcIII 1015MHz consumes?
23:10 < huebi> hi esden
23:10 < tsa> moin esden
23:11 < huebi> esden: didn't you say that you work on a polish ROCK Linux guide?
23:11 < tsa> huebi: afaik less than half of an athlon..
23:12 < Mike1> huebi: esden is help on the rock multi language project
23:12 < Mike1> so yes he should be working on it :P
23:12 < tsa> huebi: just take a look at the cpu cooling systems...usparcII's mostly don't even need active cooling..
23:12 < tsa> don't know about usparcIII, though.
23:14 < huebi> The Sparc hardware concept is one I really like very much. But the company SUN sucks!
23:14 < tsa> ack
23:15 < tsa> full context switch on CPU is cool.
23:15 < huebi> SUN - "Der Fisch stinkt am Kopf." to cite an employee of SUN.
23:15 < tsa> *G*
23:17 < esden> I was thinking about doing it ... yes
23:17 < esden> @ huebi 
23:17 < huebi> The next thing I want to have is a 2 or 4 CPU Hammer system. The price for the small hammers won't be higher than for an Athlon.
23:18 < esden> but it seems that my time lack of avalable time slices will prevent me from doing it
23:18 < huebi> esden: The usal problem of all humans *g*
23:19 < esden> yes ... it is terrible
23:19 < esden> argh ... I need food
23:32 < huebi> good night. Cu tomorrow.
23:33 < Mike1> nacht huebi
23:33 * huebi back to sparc64 port
23:33 < Mike1> cool
23:33 < Mike1> enjoy
23:53 < holyolli> re
23:53 < holyolli> hi Mike1, huebi, esden
23:54 < Mike1> Cpt. holyolli :)
23:54 * Mike1 goes home now
23:54 < Mike1> see you
23:54 < holyolli> dr. inf. Mike1
23:54 < holyolli> cu
23:54 < holyolli> hasta luego
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