-!- Irrsi  Log opened Fri Nov 08 00:00:34 2002
[00:45] < owl> gn8. cu
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[00:50]   fake running fresh 1.7-pentium3
[00:51] < Mike1> fake: <AOL> me too </AOL>
[00:52] < Mike1> fake: == 16:05:01 =[1]=> Building base/linux24 [2.4.19 1.7-snapshot].
[00:53] < Mike1> also == 17:01:30 =[3]=> Building base package diffutils [2.8.1 1.5.20].
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[01:59] < d3mian> hi all
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[04:08] < paperclip> hello
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[05:34] < d3mian> cya latah
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[09:27] < [anders]> re
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[09:29] < blindcoder> hi [anders]
[09:36] < [anders]> re blindcoder
[09:37] < [anders]> long time no type.. /me been quite busy.. (still is..) been renegotiating my contract as the old one is (a) pants, (b) leaves me vulnerable to litigation and (c) doesn't reflect the actual working relationship
[09:38] < [anders]> as well as been to sweden for a week (last week) with my daughter and tried to sort out car insurance (expensive stuff)
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[09:43] < blindcoder> i see. did you crash your car?
[09:43]   blindcoder currently setting up a nethack package
[09:43] < [anders]> nix.. did not crash it, have got a new one.. (2nd hand still but..)
[09:44] < [anders]> got a Golf VR6 at the end of last month.. (vroom vroom.. :)
[09:45] < blindcoder> hmm sweet :)
[09:46] < [anders]> blindcoder: oooohhhhh yeeeessss! bombing down the motorway it ever so easy now.. :) overtaking is never a problem anymore.. :)
[09:48] < blindcoder> *lol* yes, I think so. how fast does it co?
[09:48] < blindcoder> go?
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[09:53] < owl> hi
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[09:57] < [anders]> blindcoder: 145 mph.. which is about 230 km/h or so...
[09:58] < [anders]> blindcoder: in other words, fast enough.. The speed limit on the roads here in UK is tops 70 mph, so there is way more than I actually need.. It is the acceleration that is the nice thing anyway.. :)
[09:59] < [anders]> I do not generally go that fast, but the quicker I get to the speed I want to go at, the better... :)
[10:10] < blindcoder> hehe sweet :)
[10:11]   SMP worships Autobahnen (no speed limit)
[10:12] < blindcoder> my "Rennsemmel" (Seat Ibiza 90PS) does about 200 km/h 210 if I'm reallly daring. It's nice that here in Germany there aren't speedlimits on the "Autobahn" so I gan be from Munich to Ingolstadt (~90 km) in 40 Minutes when having to stay at work till 23:30 every now and then
[10:14] < [anders]> SMP: Autobahn is a nice concept, when people take the proper precautions (keep the distance etc in relation to speed). Going at 200 km/h means you have to keep a _much_ longer distance to the car in front compared to doing 120 km/h
[10:15] < [anders]> Here in UK the politicians are on about reducing (?) the speed on some motorways from ~110 km/h down to about 70 km/h.
[10:15] < SMP> it's all about proper education
[10:15] < [anders]> Sort of defeats the purpose of motorway IMNSHO..
[10:16] < [anders]> blindcoder: Hehehe.. I wish I could do that type of speed here in UK, would be a lot easier commuting the 60km+ I have to and from customer site every day.
[10:17] < [anders]> at the moment it takes me around 50 minutes to do that stretch and it is 90% motorway driving, but sometimes I can do higher speed off the motorway than on it.. :-/
[10:18] < SMP> you probably really don't want to have someone from e.g. UK or US do 220 on the Autobahn because he's not used to it..
[10:21] < [anders]> SMP: true.. I have at plenty of occations been doing about 160 km/h for long stretches, but there is a difference between 160 and 220 km/h..
[10:21] < SMP> (and I'd rather not have a lot of the German drivers to it either)
[10:21] < SMP> (but that's just me ;>)
[10:21] < blindcoder> SMP: I've seen that personally. You take someone from the US with you, go at 180 190 and you see the fear in his aface
[10:22] < [anders]> I start feeling nervous when going past 180 km/h, but that is because I have not been able to trust the car I have been driving. Now, in the Golf, I feel safe even when doing 180 km/h...
[10:22] < SMP> blindcoder: hehehe
[10:22] < [anders]> blindcoder: that is because they stick rigidly to the speed limits when they are at home in UK..
[10:23] < blindcoder> but late at nicht at 23:30 when going munich-->ingolstadt i see about 10 or 20 cars along the way
[10:23] < blindcoder> [anders]: it's good to obey speed limits.
[10:24] < blindcoder> my ex-girlfriend nearly got killed because of someone not doing so
[10:25]   SMP always goes as fast as he thinks he should
[10:26] < SMP> and sometimes that means going much slower than the limit of course
[10:26]   blindcoder sometimes goes faster than he should, I have to admit
[10:28]   blindcoder now away, hacking together the nethack-package
[10:29] < [anders]> s/UK/US/
[10:29] < [anders]> Well, I adhere to speed limits when it is sensible to do so..
[10:29]   SMP didn't get a speeding ticket for -uh- like 2-3 years
[10:30] < SMP> which is good because I got too many the 3 years before
[10:33] < [anders]> And if the conditions means keeping a slower (sometimes much slower) speed that the speedlimit, I do so. Killing yourself by doing 110 km/h when you can not see the road due to heavy rain or fog is a bad idea.
[10:33]   [anders] has never had a speeding ticket.. (touch wood)...
[10:34] < [anders]> blindcoder: No, it is good to drive sensibly and educatedly. It is bad to adhere to speedlimits blindly..
[10:36] < [anders]> If the limit is 110, but conditions doesn't really allow for more than 60, then doing 110 just because the signs say so is dangerous and stupid.. Unfortunately, the attitude fostered by the government and the police here in UK means all to many drivers blindly stick to what the sign says.
[10:37] < [anders]> Some days when the weather is excellent and the road is dry, I drive past these people easily, but other days, when it is raining and there is lots of spray, they overtake me easily..
[10:38] < [anders]> Not much I can do about others driving habits, but fostering an attitude to blindly stick to the speed limit is IMHO wrong.
[11:13] < blindcoder> [anders]: that 'blindly' us a bad pun, you know :)
[11:14] < blindcoder> [anders]: but I fully agree with what you say
[11:15] < blindcoder> boy, creating a sensible config,in for nethack isn't childs play...
[11:15] < blindcoder> c0ff33
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[11:16] < blindcoder> hi Ge0rG
[11:16] < Ge0rG> hello
[11:18] < blindcoder> does anyone besides me play nethack?
[11:47] < fake> hi
[11:48] < fake> blindcoder: you here?
[11:50] < blindcoder> yes
[11:50] < [anders]> blindcoder: It wasn't ment to be a pun, but now when you mention it..... ;-)
[11:50] < blindcoder> [anders]: sure :)
[11:51] < [anders]> blindcoder: I tend to play zAngband myself..
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[11:52] < blindcoder> [anders]: hm... never tried that one... but I'm currently working on a nethack package and I try to consider that tons of compile-time options that there are... the config.in is a mess and nethack.conf isn't going to be much better
[11:52] < blindcoder> hi Freak
[11:53] < blindcoder> fake: what's up?
[11:54] < Freak> mornings
[11:54] < fake> blindcoder: sql problems
[11:54] < fake> hi Freak!
[11:55] < blindcoder> [anders]: think "automatic patch creation from information the luser has provided"
[11:55] < fake> select distinct rq_pa_name, count(distinct rq_office) from v_reporting where 1=1 group by rq_pa_name sort by rq_pa_name;
[11:55] < blindcoder> mom tel
[11:55] < fake> -> ORA-00933: SQL-Befehl wurde nicht korrekt beendet
[11:56] < fake> are group and sort equal? *wondering*
[11:56] < blindcoder> no
[11:56] < fake> hum
[11:57] < fake> i cant sort a grouped result?
[11:57] < blindcoder> i think not...
[11:58] < blindcoder> i had probs mith that on mysql, too
[11:58] < blindcoder> btw
[11:58] < blindcoder> what for "distinct rq_pa_name" and then "group by rq_pa_name"
[11:59]   fake pints blindy to the error message
[11:59] < fake> points
[11:59] < fake> ORA...
[11:59] < fake> hum,  thought i'd need that
[11:59] < blindcoder> yes I've seen tha
[11:59] < blindcoder> but the combinatoin of "distinct rq_pa_name" and "group by rq_pa_name" baffles me
[12:00] < blindcoder> that's something I don't think il logical
[12:00] < blindcoder> distinct says only one of it
[12:00] < fake> blindcoder: i am working on a result which has multiple lines with the same entries, because of permutations of attributes
[12:00] < blindcoder> and group by says group all that are equal
[12:00] < fake> s,result,view,
[12:01] < fake> you might be right
[12:01] < fake> just a seconbd
[12:01] < blindcoder> whirh has to fail when there is only one
[12:01] < fake> not fail, just be bored ;)
[12:02] < blindcoder> hehe
[12:03] < blindcoder> hmm...
[12:03] < blindcoder> nethack.conf will make an interesting read, indeed
[12:04] < esden> morning !
[12:04] < fake> morning esden!
[12:04] < fake> ARGH
[12:04] < blindcoder> moin esden
[12:05] < fake> why don't you just tell me that it has to be ORDER BY ?!?!
[12:05] < fake> i am so stupid...
[12:05]   fake needs more coffee
[12:05] < blindcoder> oh...
[12:05] < blindcoder> didn't pf it attention :)
[12:05] < blindcoder> pay
[12:06] < esden> endlich geht das dsl beim daniel
[12:06] < esden> aber irgendwie schreklich lahm ...
[12:06] < blindcoder> esden: jump happyly for the nethack package will be ready by the end of the day :)
[12:06] < esden> o_O
[12:06] < esden> which page ?
[12:06] < esden> where ?
[12:07] < blindcoder> _package_
[12:07] < esden> what ?
[12:07] < esden> huh ?
[12:07] < fake> esden: and because i'll install ROCK 1.7 on technik-0{1,2} tonight
[12:07] < esden> ahh package !!!
[12:07] < esden> fake: wooot !!!
[12:07] < blindcoder> esden: the config.in is something to puke on
[12:07] < esden> fake what have you hacked yesterday ?
[12:07] < fake> esden: after i fixed that server
[12:08] < esden> yes ?
[12:08] < blindcoder> and the nethack.conf will actually be so bad code that it will kill someone occasionally
[12:08] < fake> esden: it took me all evening (and most of the night) to install 1.7 on my laptop
[12:08] < esden> ohh lool
[12:08] < esden> but you did it ;-)
[12:08] < fake> no "Install"
[12:08] < blindcoder> esden: but it will work :)
[12:08]   fake didn't find an install-tool
[12:08] < esden> it can be that there is none ...
[12:08] < fake> so... mine -i -v -R /trg <packetname>///
[12:09] < blindcoder> fake: for x in *tar.bz2 ; do tar xfvI $x ; done
[12:09] < blindcoder> ?
[12:09] < fake> eeek.
[12:09] < fake> mine -i -v -R /trg /src/1.7-blablaba/pkgs/*.gem
[12:09] < blindcoder> he will kill _me_ now :)
[12:09] < fake> that's what i did in fact
[12:09] < esden> blindcoder: *smack* tar.bz2 ?
[12:09] < fake> but that gave me problems.
[12:09] < esden> argh ... the connection here is really slow
[12:10] < blindcoder> esden: *backsmack* I tust had this lune lying around :)
[12:11] < blindcoder> okay, I gotta get back to writing code that's a threat to health, life and sanity in general
[12:11] < esden> argh
[12:11] < esden> puhh
[12:12] < esden> now I know why the connection was so slow
[12:12] < blindcoder> l8er
[12:12] < esden> l8er blindcoder
[12:12] < fake> blindcoder: the group is needed.
[12:12] < esden> DHR was using gnutella >_<
[12:12] < fake> *lol*
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[12:22] < Freak> byebye
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[12:26] < esden> fake: blindcoder: da ich jetzt beim daniel bin mit dem auto ... wenn ihr wollt koennt mit mir fahren ... wenn ihr zum candidplatz kommt
[12:33]   fake hat heute abend noch nen termin ;)
[12:44] < esden> aha ...
[12:45] < fake> du weisst doch, drachi's dad
[12:47] < esden> aja ... stimmt ... und wann willst du die kisten im bitz installieren ? o_O
[12:47] < fake> esden: na, danach
[12:47] < fake> wenn ich in IN bin
[12:47] < fake> genau, koenntest du mich da evtl. from Bhf abholen? mein auto is noch beim richten...
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[12:49] < owl> moin
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[12:55] < owl^work> re
[12:55] < owl^work> clear
[13:00] < fake> hi owl^work
[13:00] < owl^work> moin fake.
[13:01] < owl^work> hast du 'ne ahnung ob blindcoder noch lebt?
[13:02] < fake> nein
[13:02] < owl^work> schande. :-/ danke.
[13:06] < fake> er is vor ein paar minuten weg, vielleicht is er an seinem code erstickt
[13:08] < owl^work> ack. kann natuerlich vorkommen.
[13:08] < esden> fake: um wieviel uhr ?
[13:08] < esden> hi owl^work
[13:08] < owl^work> moin esden
[13:08] < esden> owl^work: du sollst arbeiten und nicht chatten !!! ;-)
[13:09] < owl^work> esden: ruhe, du student. du hast hier nix zu melden... ;P
[13:12] < esden> *meld*
[13:14] < fake> esden: das weiss ich noch nicht...
[13:19] < huebi> moin
[13:31] < esden> hi huebi
[13:31] < huebi> hi esden
[13:31] < fake> hi huebi !
[13:32] < huebi> huhu fake ;-)
[13:32] < snyke> bla
[13:32] < fake> how's things?
[13:33] < huebi> fake: I'm tired. I had to work from 7h30 or so till 1h00 this morning.
[13:33]   fake was up from 6:45 to 1:00... you are getting old, huebi :)
[13:33] < huebi> It could happen, that 3 more of the "Rocklinux Multimedia Servers" will be sold in the next weeks.
[13:34] < fake> kewl. how much are they? maybe i'll grab one too... ;))
[13:35] < huebi> ~ 1000 EUR only for the hardware. The soundcard costs 380 EUR.
[13:36] < fake> o_O ah... that multichannelbeast?
[13:36] < huebi> fake: ACK. 8 digital channels.
[13:37] < huebi> I heared that card with 2 very good speakers last night. Really kool and with alsa-0.90rc4 without any noise.
[13:38] < fake> isn't rc5 out for a while now? just wondering
[13:39] < huebi> yes, since 2002-10-24 but it did not compile, IIRC
[13:39] < fake> owl has it on her notebook ;)
[13:40] < huebi> fake: hmmm. I'll test it again now.
[13:41] < huebi> beware rc3 - ugly clipping.
[13:41] < huebi> +of
[13:44]   esden shower
[13:44] < huebi> fake: I mixed rc4 and rc5.
[13:44] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[13:45] < huebi> hi blindcoder
[13:45] < blindcoder> hi huebi
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[14:13] < huebi> alsa 0.90rc5 compiles fine.
[14:15] < huebi> SMP: Have you got an explanation for that:
[14:15] < huebi> cvs commit: Examining .
[14:15] < huebi> socket: Address family not supported by protocol
[14:17] < fake> ipv6?
[14:17] < huebi> fake: I thought s, too but I'm not sure.
[14:17] < huebi> +o
[14:18] < fake> it doesn't work afterwards?
[14:18] < fake> the you forgot to compile ipv4 support in XD
[14:18] < huebi> Yes it doees. Only this message.
[14:18] < fake> maybe you get an ipv6 addressby the nameserver as an alternative.. and this one is tried first
[14:18] < huebi> I meen it works without a failure
[14:19] < fake> i know
[14:19]   fake wondering
[14:20] < fake> i can't remember that address, but a nslookup showd an ipv6 address for it
[14:20] < fake> and ipv4, too
[14:20] < huebi> fake: Thank you.
[14:21] < fake> ip-v6.org aszlig 62.219.175.100
[14:21] < fake> douh.
[14:21] < fake> nix aszlig
[14:21] < fake> that was capital 'A'
[14:24] < SMP> yes, world does also have an AAAA record now
[14:24] < fake> woot, i was right *g*
[14:24] < fake> and, hi SMP.
[14:25] < SMP> I'll add services (ssh, smtp) on v6 during the next days
[14:27] < SMP> (not to forget www)
[14:29] < huebi> I think I must read a little bit about IPv6 just to get a feeling for it.
[14:31] < SMP> "the addresses are longer. subnet mask is always /64, but it's all configured automagically anyway. you don't get any pr0n by it yet." that's about all a user needs to know.
[14:32] < huebi> hehe. I read enough for the moment I think. *g*
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[14:33]   huebi just commiting all the termcap-to-ncurses.patches.
[14:36] < blindcoder> "it's all configured automagically" that's the part I'm worried about
[14:36] < fake> hm...
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[14:37] < blindcoder> at laest after having more troubles vith SNmasks than with stupid users
[14:38] < fake> interesting. gsmp segfaults ;)
[14:38] < fake> maybe i should tease rene with that *g*
[14:38] < blindcoder> nike :)
[14:38] < huebi> fake: Yes, please.
[14:39] < fake> WavePlotManager::CreateListsForStage: returning: 0
[14:40] < fake> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[14:40] < esden> re
[14:40] < fake> re esden
[14:40] < huebi> re esden
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[14:41] < Mike1> moin
[14:41] < huebi> hi Mike1
[14:41] < blindcoder> hi Mike1
[14:42] < blindcoder> re esden
[14:42] < Mike1> hu huebi blindcoder
[14:42] < blindcoder> hmm
[14:43]   blindcoder thinking again about submitting his nethack-package to 1.7
[14:44] < esden> hi Mike1
[14:44] < Mike1> hi esden
[14:44] < esden> blindcoder: do it in the blindcoder repository ;-)
[14:44] < blindcoder> on a scale of 1 to 10 the quality of the configuration would rank somewhere in the negative billions...
[14:44] < blindcoder> esden: it already is
[14:44] < blindcoder> on my harddisk, that is
[14:46] < blindcoder> but... I can post the config.in to you prvate if you want
[14:47] < blindcoder> then you know what I'm talking about
[14:47] < Mike1> huebi: ok rock linux master has already sync sources with me so everything is up to date
[14:48] < huebi> Mike1: I just updated alsa to 0.90rc5 and all packages for xfsprogs.
[14:48] < Mike1> huebi: arrrggg
[14:48] < Mike1> :)
[14:48] < Mike1> i will update later i need to get my build working
[14:48] < huebi> Mike1: ok
[14:48] < Mike1> btw i tested downgrade of nvi to 1.49 didnt work for me
[14:49] < Mike1> so i didnt commit
[14:49] < huebi> Mike1: I'm just commiting all my changes I did in the last 2 days.
[14:49] < Mike1> just got to my office my build broke again with xfree on stage 3
[14:49] < huebi> Mike1: nvi was missing some files. Just get them from cvs
[14:49] < Mike1> huebi: cool
[14:50] < Mike1> 4.2.0-4.2.1.patch is failing ...
[14:50] < huebi> Mike1: remove it, please.
[14:51] < Mike1> huebi: ok
[14:51] < huebi> Mike1: I need a few more minutes to commit xfree86. Please be patient. ;-)
[14:52] < Mike1> ?
[14:52] < Mike1> ok
[14:53] < huebi> nvi is now ok. I had to ci nvi.conf again.
[14:54] < esden> fake: nice mail to rlml
[14:54]   esden updating his 1.7 tree
[14:55] < Mike1> huebi: i will wait for you to finish all ur ci's then i check out :)
[14:55] < huebi> Mike1: ok
[14:55] < Mike1> esden: <AOL> me too </AOL>
[14:55] < blindcoder> esden: want to see it?
[14:56] < Mike1> ok gcc3 stage2 broke for me (1.7) ... checking what went wrong ...
[15:02] < esden> blindcoder: send me a patch to the current 1.7 tree please
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[15:05] < blindcoder> that'll take some time
[15:05] < blindcoder> it, not ready to use yet, but it makes an interesting read
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[15:06] < blindcoder> esden: oh and btw: giving the help as a parameter te the config functions (bool etc.) is fucked up
[15:07] < blindcoder> your "sed tr sandwitch"s best-before-end-date has run out :)
[15:09] < blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/config.in <-- have fun :)
[15:12] < [anders]> lo
[15:12]   [anders] being blastedly busy today....
[15:12] < blindcoder> hmm not good :)
[15:12] < huebi> hi [anders] .
[15:12] < huebi> [anders]: nice to see you
[15:12] < [anders]> re huebi, wie gehts?
[15:12] < blindcoder> stress is fatal to your health :)
[15:13] < [anders]> huebi: the very same to you... :)
[15:13] < huebi> [anders]: fine. 1.5.20 get into the final stage
[15:13] < [anders]> blindcoder: you can say that again. the stress of re-negotiating my contract with the agency is starting to take out  its right..
[15:13] < [anders]> huebi: excellent news.. :)
[15:13] < huebi> [anders]: Good news for you: Gnome2 _must_ get into 1.5 to get it built on sparc64
[15:14] < [anders]> I have not had any chance of working on ROCK in the last few weeks.. Before I went on holiday, I had some time, but after that, no chance.
[15:14] < huebi> [anders]: same for AMD x86-64
[15:15] < Mike1> Master [anders] !!!
[15:15] < [anders]> huebi: okidoki.. I will see what I can do about Gnome 2.. At the moment there is a branch with Gnome 2.1, but that is experimental and does not work 100%, neither did the Gnome 2.0.x builds.. I am not quite sure what is wrong..
[15:15] < blindcoder> [anders]: odn't strain yourself too much. If you break down, you can't do much for a _very_ long time
[15:15] < [anders]> Mike1: Good Morning my friend, long time no type.. :)
[15:16] < [anders]> blindcoder: I am fully aware of that.. my body has already told me to slow down, so I am taking it easier than before.
[15:16] < Mike1> [anders]: yeah how did you go on ur holidays?
[15:16] < Mike1> [anders]: i already gave huebi a tarball with the gnome2.1 brand
[15:16] < [anders]> huebi: I am planning on buying the Amiga motherboard as well, the G4 800MHz version.. That means I should be able to start working on a port to PPC at some point in the future.
[15:17] < huebi> [anders]: koool ;-)
[15:17] < Mike1> ah finally we get ppc !!
[15:17] < [anders]> Mike1: good.. the holiday was okay, but I had a cold all the time, so lots of coughing and sneezing..
[15:17] < blindcoder> be seft back
[15:17] < blindcoder> left
[15:17] < Mike1> [anders]: lol you should have come to CR ...
[15:18] < [anders]> Mike1: I would probably have ended up with the cold anyway..
[15:18] < Mike1> [anders]: ah who knows :)
[15:18] < [anders]> Perhaops I will get time to spin a new build next week. I will try and make a new tag in the Gnome 2.1 branch and update a bit more. I want to get it working..
[15:19] < [anders]> Mike1: true, who knows.. :)
[15:19] < Mike1> [anders]: i have been busy taking of availability on the official 1.5 tree so no time to play around 2.1 brand
[15:19] < [anders]> re the PPC stuff, I am still v. space limited at home, but I will try and get a small ATX case to fit the board in..
[15:20] < [anders]> Mike1: no worries, I'll put some effort in when I can. At the moment I have a little to little time available to hack. Christmas coming up and all that. :-/
[15:20] < Mike1> i got plenty of space in my room but no cool hardware except my little dual xp
[15:21] < Mike1> [anders]: ah lets see how we get it stable :)
[15:21] < [anders]> Well, the G4-800MHz boards are about 500 GBP in price, so quite expensive, but on the other hand, they are v. nice boards.. :)
[15:22] < [anders]> Mike1: tghe Gnome 2.1 stuff will need updating again, as it is over two weeks anything was done, so new versions of about everything should be available.. Perhaps even there is a Gnome 2.1.1 or a 2.1.2 available..
[15:22] < [anders]> and kernel 2.4.20 is just around the corner as well.. :)
[15:25] < Mike1> [anders]: and you are still forgetting the sync with the official 1.5 sources
[15:25] < rolla> fuck
[15:25] < Mike1> it has changed a lot >_<
[15:25] < Mike1> hi rolla
[15:25] < Mike1> fscking again?
[15:25] < Mike1> *g*
[15:26] < rolla> yeah today is the layoffs
[15:26] < blindcoder> hi rolla
[15:26] < Mike1> oh fire works
[15:26] < [anders]> Mike1: not forgetting, not having time..
[15:26] < Mike1> [anders]: *G* i'll see what i can do
[15:26] < Mike1> but do spect a HUGE patch
[15:27] < [anders]> Mike1: I will do the sync, but might as well wait for the full 1.5.20 before sitting down with a 2 MB patch and hand editing it again..
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[15:28] < Mike1> [anders]: if everything goes fine 1.5.20 will released ... today or tomorrow ... huebi?
[15:28] < huebi> tomorrow or on sunday. Accidently I had to work yesterday.
[15:29] < [anders]> Mike1: there is a 2.1.1 available for Gnome 2.x
[15:29] < Mike1> ack
[15:29] < [anders]> huebi: no hurry needed IMHO.. I can not spend any time on it this weekend anyway.. (sucks not having time to hack...)
[15:30] < Mike1> huebi: i am running a build havent get much trouble besides nvi and that xfree patch
[15:31]   Mike1 getting coffee
[15:32]   [anders] needs more time... but also needs to spend time on getting fit and on family life.. On top of that there is the divorce and all other paperwork that needs taking care of, like car insurance, house insurance, company details etc..
[15:32] < huebi> All patches are now in cvs. Mike: All packages should build now. I'm going to test it in a while. But first I have to pack a huge package for owl.
[15:33] < huebi> And an update for the JavaOS on the JavaStation is still needed, too,
[15:33]   [anders] is incredibly tempted starting a completely new project in the CVS tree where package by package gets added in and anything not working gets removed from the tree completely.
[15:34] < huebi> Building rocklinux on the Krups was not a good idea. All has to be done over the network.
[15:35] < huebi> [anders]: That would be a very hard work. The dependencies are not documented in 1.5.
[15:35] < Mike1> [anders]: begging from scratch you mean?
[15:35] < Mike1> huebi: great i will check out in a moment
[15:35] < [anders]> something that is incredibly irritating is that XMMS for example does not support GTK+ 2.0
[15:35] < [anders]> Mike1: not really, I can look at 1.5.20 to see what the absolute basics are..
[15:36] < Mike1> [anders]: will xmms is an ext still it just happened that i made a base package on our tree :)
[15:36] < [anders]> huebi: lots of work, but gets rid of obsolete packages that are still there but nothing uses them.
[15:37] < Mike1> [anders]: the deal sounds fair to me lets just hope we can be able to get enought time to merge effords
[15:37] < [anders]> Mike1: Yeah, problem is that they have _no_ plans in porting it to gtk+ 2.0.. so for XMMS you would need glib 1.2.6 and gtk+ 1.2.6 (plus any deps for them) making XMMS a very expensive package...
[15:38] < [anders]> I would like to get a tree where there is nothing left of gnome 1.4 (or older) so that I can build apps for gnome 2 and know that tehre is nothing interfering..
[15:38] < [anders]> and that means that I can get it working, then port it into the main tree from there.
[15:39] < [anders]> and if I do not have to build qt or any of the kde stuff, the build times are shorter and the turn-around will be better..
[15:39] < [anders]> It is still just an idea, but I am very tempted..
[15:39] < Mike1> we should remove it from the base for sometime
[15:39] < Mike1> xmms i mean
[15:41] < esden> ok /me rebuiding 1.7 ...
[15:41]   esden -> food
[15:41] < Mike1> have fun esden
[15:42] < [anders]> Mike1: xmms might have to move to ext for the time being..
[15:42] < Mike1> [anders]: ack
[15:42] < Mike1> then you can port it to gtk+ 2.0 *vbeg*
[15:42] < [anders]> Mike1: somehow I do not think that will happen..... ;-)
[15:42] < Mike1> :P
[15:44] < Mike1> huebi: ok i am stop my build for a while checking out ur ci's now
[15:44] < [anders]> The thing is, if I have a separate cvs object for pure gnome2 experimentation, no ext's need to be in that, which reduce size and speed up checkout.
[15:45] < [anders]> that way I might even be able to get Evolution working.
[15:45] < Mike1> i get ur point
[15:45] < Mike1> so you meant no ext no kde?
[15:45] < [anders]> no ext, no kde, no Qt..
[15:46] < Mike1> mmm...
[15:46] < huebi> Mike1: ack
[15:46] < [anders]> pure base, add package after package, get Gnome2 building.. other trees can get other packages going as long as the *base* is the same..
[15:47] < Mike1> huebi: did you change anything on audiofile?
[15:47] < Mike1> i had fixed the broken url an dits wrong again, doesnt say anything in the chnagelog
[15:47] < Mike1> [anders]: sounds good to me
[15:49] < [anders]> Mike1: it also means I can get the versioning on the packages right.. ;-)
[15:49] < huebi> Mike1: no, I didn't. Here I have the same old file
[15:49] < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          196 Jun  3 22:20 base-config/audiofile/audiofile.pz
[15:49] < [anders]> no more of this 1.1.1.2.1.4 stuff....
[15:49] < zer0_o^> lol
[15:49] < Mike1> huebi: 2002-11-06 23:04  mike
[15:49] < Mike1>         * rock-1.5/base-config/gnome-audio/gnome-audio.pz: Fixed broken url
[15:50] < Mike1> anyways many things changed i will start a new build
[15:54] < huebi> Mike1: just recommit it.
[15:54] < Mike1> [anders]: neat
[15:54] < Mike1> huebi: yeah in a moment :)
[15:55] < Mike1> zer0_o^: 0_o >:)
[15:55] < [anders]> Mike1: well, sort of.. it is more to be a sandbox of mine to to testing in. Once things work properly, they go in the main tree.
[15:55] < Mike1> ack
[15:58]   [anders] listening to Massive Attack - Karmacoma....
[16:00]   Mike1 listening to the mupphets....
[16:03] < Mike1> huebi: i am running a new fresh build with ur fixes
[16:03] < Mike1> lets hope it builds straight
[16:06]   esden back
[16:06] < esden> argh .. gcc is not building ...
[16:10] < Mike1> esden: gcc3?
[16:10] < Mike1> stage 2 ?
[16:10] < blindcoder> esden: correct :)
[16:10] < blindcoder> esden: so fix it
[16:11] < huebi> re
[16:11] < Mike1> re huebi
[16:11] < Mike1> blindcoder: ur stuck at that point as well?
[16:11] < huebi> I'm off now, getting winter tites for my car.
[16:11] < Mike1> huebi: mmm ... ok have fun
[16:11] < huebi> Later I start a new build.
[16:12] < blindcoder> Mike1: yes
[16:12] < huebi> Mike1: can you just commit audiofile.pz again?
[16:12] < blindcoder> haven't had time to look at it
[16:12] < blindcoder> nethack is keeping me busy
[16:13] < Mike1> huebi: yes i will in a moment i am just doing something from work first
[16:13] < huebi> Mike1: ack
[16:13] < Mike1> huebi: it will be commited when you get back :)
[16:13] < huebi> Thank you.
[16:13] < huebi> ...wech!
[16:13] < Mike1> welcome
[16:16] < [anders]> <- away
[16:18] < Mike1> [anders]: ok
[16:19] < blindcoder> YYYYEEEEAAAAHHHH
[16:20] < Mike1> blindcoder: you fixed it???
[16:20] < blindcoder> the nethack package configuration works!!
[16:20] < Mike1> ah congratz
[16:20] < blindcoder> thanks :)
[16:20]   owl^work leaves you now
[16:20] < owl^work> bye. cu later
[16:20] < blindcoder> that code is so ugly, it micht kill someone
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[16:33] < Mike1> aszlig: awake?
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[16:40] < d3mian> hi all
[16:41] < Mike1> hi d3mian
[16:41] < d3mian> tons k Mike1 !
[16:41] < d3mian> como va todo ?
[16:41] < Mike1> aqui trabajando un monton
[16:41] < Mike1> muy bien gracias
[16:41] < d3mian> hablo con Daniel al fin y al cabo ?
[16:41] < Mike1> estoy corriendo 3 builds ahorita
[16:42] < d3mian> !!!
[16:42] < Mike1> d3mian: mas o menos le estoy consiguiendo el cable para el v35
[16:42] < d3mian> umm
[16:42] < d3mian> i had some probs with imlib2 and enlightenment
[16:43] < d3mian> Eterm built fine.. using libast 0.5 and imlib2
[16:43] < Mike1> rock 1.7?
[16:43] < d3mian> but enlightenment has some probs with imlib2.. i had to rebuild imlib 1.9.9 to amake it work
[16:43] < d3mian> but with one theme, i receive a segfault
[16:44] < d3mian> imlib2 is very cool
[16:44] < d3mian> ;-)
[16:44] < d3mian> fast and powerful
[16:44] < d3mian> no es rock..
[16:44] < d3mian> la otra
[16:44] < Mike1> :)
[16:44] < Mike1> i see\
[16:44] < d3mian> vim sigue sin funcionar
[16:44] < Mike1> pero vim es demaciado facil
[16:45] < d3mian> Mike1: wanna see screenshots ?
[16:45] < blindcoder> hi d3mian
[16:45] < Mike1> que problema tienes
[16:45] < Mike1> d3mian: sure give us some links
[16:45] < d3mian> Mike1: pero no se porque se pone en varas conmigo !! no encuentra los headers en /usr/include.. los demas paketes lo hacen!
[16:45] < d3mian> tampoco si le pongo configure --include-dirs=/usr/include
[16:46] < Mike1> ni asi funka?
[16:46] < Mike1> que version de vim usas?
[16:47] < d3mian> 61
[16:47] < zer0_o^> o_0
[16:47] < blindcoder> /me going home
[16:47] < blindcoder> bye
[16:47] < zer0_o^> bye
[16:47] < d3mian> hi blindy
[16:47] < Mike1> cu blindy
[16:49] < d3mian> i havent made screens of enlightenment and Eterm using imlib 2 yet.. i think the prob with imlib2 is that it has some incompatibility handling the rest of standalone libraries, libjpeg, libpng and such other
[16:52] < Mike1> ok
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[17:16]   d3mian doing some mips code .. cya
[17:30] < Mike1> huebi: *ping*
[17:43]   esden driving home
[17:43] < esden> cu all
[17:45] < Mike1> cu esden
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[17:59] < Mike1> hello tcr!
[18:00] < tcr> re all
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[18:05] < tcr> hi Mike1
[18:06] < tcr> uhi... /me feels totatly free... having the haires cutted till the shoulders make me so freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..
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[18:44] < d3mian> re
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[18:49] < d3mian> Bill Gates. The man who bought the world (Gerard Beekmans)
[18:49] < d3mian> hi rxr
[18:52]   Mike1 is away: having lunch with his girl :)
[18:54] < Ge0rG> mhm... cannibalism is cool
[18:55]   d3mian is having some fun without his girl :)
[19:14] < zer0_o> ??
[19:15]   zer0_o is having some fun with his hand :)
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[20:11]   Mike1 is back (gone 01:19:12)
[20:11] < Mike1> re all
[20:12] < tcr> having had fun?
[20:12] < Mike1> tcr: yeah i had a LOTS of fun :)
[20:13] < tcr> you do _not_ need to laborate *g*
[20:13] < tcr> elaborate
[20:14] < Mike1> :P
[20:14] < Mike1> ok i am back to code :)
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[20:16] < d3mian> ok im back to home, cya
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[20:43] < owl> re
[20:53] < Mike1> hi owly
[20:53] < Mike1> owl: i have a gift for you
[20:53] < Mike1> https://www.linux-directory.com/cards/cards/hugapenguin.gif
[20:54] < owl> Mike1: hi. thx ;) and i'm glad that i'm not a penguin ;P
[20:54] < Mike1> :)
[20:54] < Mike1> doesnt matter
[20:54] < owl> ;P
[20:54]   Mike1 hugs pwlita
[20:54] < Mike1> owlita even
[20:54] < owl> tstststs ;P
[20:58] < Mike1> rolla
[21:05] < Mike1> blindcoder: awake?
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[21:09] < tsa> moin.
[21:09] < Mike1> hi tsa
[21:10] < tsa> hi Mike1
[21:10] < rolla> Mike
[21:10] < Mike1> == 14:16:58 =[5]=> Building base/units [1.80 1.7-snapshot].
[21:10] < Mike1> :)
[21:10] < rolla> very cool
[21:19] < tsa> hehehe
[21:19] < tsa> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
[21:19] < tsa> I have some old SS20s with hot CPUs.  I need to put the machines in a
[21:19] < tsa> closet (don't ask)
[21:20] < tsa> *LOL*
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[21:21] < owl> hi tsa
[21:21] < tsa> tag owl.
[21:22] < owl> tsa: wie geht's?
[21:31] < tsa> jojo...wochenende halt.
[21:33] < owl> tsa: heisst - gut? oder heisst: nochmehr arbeit? ;P
[21:38] < tsa> ja.
[21:45] < owl> uff. viel spass.
[21:45] < owl> *yawning*
[21:45] < owl> nothing to do anymore. --> off
[21:45] < owl> bye. gn8.
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[21:50] < tsa> re..
[21:57] < Mike1> re
[22:17] < esden> .k.bcbi
[22:17] < esden> evening
[22:19] < Mike1> hi esden
[22:20] < tsa> hi esden
[22:45] < Mike1> *PING* >> huebi <<
[22:51] < esden> ok ... coffee is brewing ;-)
[22:59] < Mike1> == 16:05:04 =[5]=> Building rene/cups [1.1.15-1 1.7-snapshot].
[23:00] < Mike1> mmm.. looking good atm :)
[23:01] < blindcoder> evening
[23:04] < Mike1> hi blindcoder
[23:04] < Mike1> blindcoder: have a look:
[23:04] < Mike1> == 16:10:02 =[5]=> Building rene/libsndfile [1.0.1 1.7-snapshot].
[23:05] < blindcoder> huh???
[23:05] < blindcoder> mtf?
[23:05] < blindcoder> wtf?
[23:05] < blindcoder> how did you do that?\
[23:08] < esden> hihi blindcoder
[23:09] < blindcoder> hi esden
[23:11]   blindcoder doing a `cvs up -Pd`
[23:14] < Mike1> blindcoder: hehe
[23:14] < Mike1> cvs up -dP wont help you
[23:14] < Mike1> no fix has been commited
[23:15] < Mike1> *vbeg*
[23:16] < esden> blindcoder: when you want to get depri ... go to bchat ... >_<
[23:17] < blindcoder> MMMMIIIIKKKKEEEE!!!!
[23:17] < Mike1> esden: is it that bad?
[23:17] < Mike1> BBLLIINNDDYY
[23:17] < Mike1> !!
[23:17] < blindcoder> Mukdon't be so gruel >_<
[23:17] < blindcoder> Mike1 ...
[23:18] < blindcoder> *argh* should sleep...
[23:18] < blindcoder> but don't want to end this wonderful day
[23:18] < Mike1> sure get some sleep :P
[23:18] < blindcoder> nah...
[23:26] < esden> Mike1: no ... I am talking with a boy ... that has a girlfriend that is pregnant and wants to abort ... and her parents and this boy are against it ... but ...
[23:26] < blindcoder> oh... bad situation
[23:27] < blindcoder> Sorry, I'm too hay to talk about these things right now
[23:27] < blindcoder> s/hay/happy/
[23:27] < Mike1> esden: HOLLY SHIT
[23:28] < Mike1> esden: i wish i was there to talk to both the guy and his girl
[23:29] < esden> hmm ... he is calling her now ...
[23:30] < blindcoder> ID ten
[23:30] < esden> he supposes thot this baby is not his ... but that does not matter for him ... he only wants to be with her and the child ...
[23:32] < blindcoder> sweet... and then we'll be a happy family and noone will ever know the truth...
[23:32] < blindcoder> I'w about to throw up
[23:32] < esden> ? blindcoder ... I do not understand ...
[23:33] < blindcoder> isn't it sweet of him? he doesn't care if it's his baby or not, he just loves his gf
[23:33] < blindcoder> Is it stupidity?
[23:34] < blindcoder> She betrayed him, damnit!
[23:34] < esden> blindcoder: do not be sarcastic >_<
[23:34] < esden> I think he is acting correctly !!!
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[23:34] < Mike1> esden: its a nice thing what he is doing but i am affraid bindy is right
[23:34] < esden> I would not do it different
[23:35] < blindcoder> well I know neither the complete background nor what he did and did not
[23:35] < Mike1> esden the right thing is that the father take care of the child as she betrayed her bf
[23:35] < esden> yes right ... you should have more info ... to know what to do in such a situation ...
[23:35] < Mike1> but anyways if he loves her and forgives guess its fine
[23:35] < blindcoder> but if it really isn't his baby, then there are bound to be problems
[23:36] < Mike1> brb
[23:36] < Mike1> DONT start a blame war without me
[23:36] < Mike1> *GGG*
[23:36] < esden> blindcoder: sure there are/will be problems ...
[23:36] < Mike1> s/blame/flame
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[23:37] < esden> but I am really against abortion ... I am pro abortion in very extreme situations ... and that is not an extreme situation
[23:37] < blindcoder> esden: let's just agree that the situation is bad
[23:37] < esden> she is 23 ... not studying anything ... and living already on the costs of this guy
[23:38] < blindcoder> hmm...
[23:38] < Mike1> esden: i am against abortion as well
[23:38] < blindcoder> well I don't saf she necessarily has to abort
[23:39] < esden> blindcoder: that is the main problem ...
[23:39] < blindcoder> but it's her decision after all...
[23:39] < esden> yes ... even if it is in my means a really stupid decision ... and she will be sorry for it in the future for sure
[23:39] < blindcoder> but there are things you can do instead
[23:40] < blindcoder> for example one of these "Babyklappen".
[23:40] < Mike1> NO ONE has the right to take somebody elses life >_<
[23:40] < blindcoder> It's not the best thing to da but it's better than something close to murder
[23:41] < blindcoder> Mike1: would you force a woman who has been sexually abused to carry the baby?
[23:41] < Mike1> blindcoder: thats a whole different story
[23:41] < blindcoder> it's an extreme situation, fes, but possible
[23:42] < blindcoder> but what's the difference? in bath situations someone  is taking someone elses life
[23:42] < esden> blindcoder: I mean in this situation ... she nearly has no right (moraly) to take the life of her baby
[23:43] < blindcoder> esden: no she hasn't, I agree on this
[23:43] < esden> in other situations I would say something different for sure
[23:43] < Mike1> esden: full ack
[23:44] < blindcoder> yes I think we came a little off topic
[23:44] < esden> hehe ... the abortion prediction engine ... named rock linux is being developed here ... so we are not offtopic ;-)
[23:45] < esden> argh ... they are stealing my coffee !!!
[23:45] < esden> ok ... this coffee was bought by fake ... but he is not here ;-)
[23:46] < Mike1> *g*
[23:46] < blindcoder> *lol*
[23:46] < blindcoder> who's @bitz?
[23:46] < esden> testy and 30
[23:47] < blindcoder> k
[23:47] < esden> I hope they will go home soon ;-0
[23:47] < blindcoder> argh this wonderful day is nearly over...
[23:47] < blindcoder> hehe
[23:50] < esden> you are so sarcastic blindcoder
[23:51] < blindcoder> why? _my_ day was monderful
[23:51] < blindcoder> at least the evening was :)
[23:51] < esden> hmm ... really ... ?
[23:51] < esden> you saw me ... that is terrible enough ;-)
[23:51] < blindcoder> there are things that gan straighten even _that_ out :)
[23:52] < blindcoder> erm... english? where have my sanguage capabilities gone?
[23:52] < blindcoder> oh... they already went to bed
[23:54] < blindcoder> cat /etc/langcap
[23:54]   esden be back
[23:57] < Mike1> ok
[23:58] < blindcoder> kuso... Dowmloading the new sources is taking ages...
[23:59] < Mike1> blindcoder: sources or packages?
[23:59] < blindcoder> packages
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