-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Nov 13 00:00:03 2002
[00:09]   owl moves herself to bed
[00:09] < owl> gn8. bye
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[00:35] < esden> hmm ... now I have fluxbox on my main machine ...
[00:35] < esden> seems to be pretty cool
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[00:53] < c4y0> es un pentium 100Mhz con 16 en ram y 500Mb de disco
[00:55] < Mike1> hehehe
[00:56] < Mike1> wrong windw my friend
[00:57] < c4y0> voy anotando el resto del error=
[00:58]   Mike1 is away: troubleshooting
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[01:05] < capone> c4y0
[01:05] < capone> hi
[01:05] < c4y0> ??????
[01:05] < c4y0> hi!
[01:09] < Mike1> capone: whazup
[01:09]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:11:28)
[01:11] < capone> arrgg
[01:11] < Mike1> capone: que?
[01:11] < capone> un mae quiere que vaya a restaurarle el LILO en la casa de el
[01:12] < capone> porque solo le aparece LI..
[01:12] < capone> :p
[01:12] < Mike1> di mae plata facil
[01:13] < capone> es un amigo.. no les cobro por eso
[01:13] < capone> como podria cobrar por eso ??
[01:15] < capone> bueno. ya me voy
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[02:00] < tsa> n8
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[02:04] < Mike1> hello ian
[02:05] < ichilton> hi
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[02:42] < Mike1> the hell with 1.7 i stick with 1.5
[03:16] < c4y0> ????????????
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[03:46] < capone> hi all
[03:47] < Mike1> hi capone
[03:47] < capone> wassup
[03:47] < capone> hey
[03:47] < capone> why didnt u call daniel ?
[03:47] < Mike1> he was supposed to call me
[03:47] < capone> he was waiting for ur call, according with what he told me
[03:48] < capone> okay
[03:48] < Mike1> mm..
[03:48] < capone> hey
[03:48] < Mike1> guess we missunderstood
[03:48] < Mike1> brbr
[03:48] < capone> i have 4 semestrers CCNA courses over here
[03:48] < capone> ok
[03:48] < Mike1> ?
[03:49] < capone> s/semes*/semesters
[03:49] < capone> :)
[03:53] < capone> cya
[03:54] < capone> gonna install netbsd
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[04:08] < Mike1> blindy
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[04:25] < jbalint> Hi all.
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[07:34] < blindcod1r> moin
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[07:35] < Eisofen> moin
[07:36] < blindcoder> moin Eisofen, how's it going?
[07:36] < Eisofen> aww...
[07:36] < Eisofen> trying to wake up...
[07:36] < blindcoder> doesn't sound _that_ good :)
[07:37] < blindcoder> hmm speaking of which... my coffee is ready... brb
[07:38] < blindcoder> *SLUURP*
[07:38] < Eisofen> ja, well... woke up 20 minutes ago.. made some coffe, fed the cats....
[07:38] < Eisofen> *sluuurp*
[07:38]   blindcoder awake for 2 hours now
[07:39] < blindcoder> and an eleven hours work-day ahead of me
[07:39] < Eisofen> 11 Hours?
[07:39] < blindcoder> yes
[07:39] < Eisofen> what's your work?
[07:39] < Eisofen> consultant?
[07:40] < blindcoder> Meeting with the whole company at 18:30 but warkday starts at 07:30
[07:40] < blindcoder> yes, one could say that...
[07:40] < blindcoder> I'm an external at Siemens Munich
[07:40] < blindcoder> administering Solari-Webservers and developing some apps
[07:40] < Eisofen> lucky, you ;-)
[07:41]   Eisofen is workless
[07:41] < blindcoder> thanks :) most of the time I work on ROCK if I'm just too lazy to do PHP and Perl
[07:41] < blindcoder> oh... that's bad...
[07:42] < Eisofen> jep
[07:43] < blindcoder> where have you been employed before?
[07:44] < Eisofen> well.. most of the time I did project for various companys in Stuttgart and Frankfurt, but I'm not doing that anymore, since The IT-market here in germany is down to it's knees....
[07:45] < Eisofen> know I'm looking for a 'normal' work.. some kind of unix-administration would be fun...
[07:46] < Eisofen> no MS-crap, please...
[07:46] < Eisofen> os/2 would be ok, too
[07:46] < Eisofen> ;-)
[07:46] < blindcoder> hehe
[07:47] < blindcoder> Yes, I know the problems... currently trying to find work in Ingoltsadt (my Hometown)
[07:47] < blindcoder> Ingolstadt
[07:47] < Eisofen> asked Cobra-electronics, could be that they need someone....
[07:47] < Eisofen> ?
[07:48] < blindcoder> driving 100+ km twice each day via A9 isn't that much fun >_<
[07:49] < blindcoder> Ingostadt--> Munich in the morninc, Munich-->Ingolstadt in the evening
[07:49] < Eisofen> absolutely not...
[07:50] < Eisofen> and small rooms to live in over the week are too expensive in M
[07:50] < Eisofen> s/too/to
[07:51] < blindcoder> yes...
[07:51] < blindcoder> I tried to find an affordable "Wohnung" in Mch, but after two months I gave up
[07:53] < blindcoder> hmm... should I udpate or should I not?
[07:54] < blindcoder> updating would mean building everything from scratch >_<
[07:54] < Eisofen> depends on your PC..;-)
[07:55] < Eisofen> is 1.5.20 out?
[07:55] < blindcoder> 1.8 GHz Pentium4 with 512 MB Rambus
[07:55] < blindcoder> 1.5 days for a ROCK 1.7 build
[07:55] < Eisofen> hehe
[07:56] < blindcoder> well... 8 hours when leaving out x11/*
[07:56] < Eisofen> I installed gentoo on my U30 here, did the stage2&3 builds.. 2 nights.....
[07:57] < Eisofen> X would be fine, but you surely don't nee 6 WM's....
[07:58] < blindcoder> mhm
[07:58]   blindcoder only has an U1 to test sparc64 with Rock 1.7
[07:58] < Eisofen> oops
[07:58] < Eisofen> you need another U1 or a broke U30?
[07:58] < blindcoder> well... and a SS20/SS10 (50MHz each) Cluster for compiling sparc32 :)
[07:59] < blindcoder> well... Pseudo-Cluster :)
[07:59] < Eisofen> hehe
[07:59] < blindcoder> but I might be able to rip two other such machines from a friend of mine :)
[07:59] < blindcoder> a few months ago we got some via our local "Buergernetz"
[08:00] < blindcoder> he took two and me one, maybe I can talk him into giving them to me *hehe*
[08:00] < Eisofen> you know Ultra-hardware well?
[08:01] < blindcoder> I know who to ask
[08:01] < Eisofen> 'cause I got a U30 here, which won't recognize it's SCSI-devices
[08:02] < Eisofen> or only cdrom? dunno anymore...
[08:02] < blindcoder> I just have to go downstairs here@work and go on the nerves of some people in the UNIX-Administration
[08:03] < Eisofen> warum sprechen wir eigentlich evangelisch?
[08:04] < blindcoder> weil die channel-sprache englisch is :)
[08:04]   blindcoder is uebrigens Protestant, ja :)
[08:07] < blindcoder> hmmm... 01:15 fuer qt...
[08:07] < Eisofen> is doch keiner da.. ;-)
[08:07] < blindcoder> stimmt auch wieder :)
[08:08] < blindcoder> ookay... `cvs up -Pd`
[08:08] < esden> morning @ all
[08:08] < esden> *yawn*
[08:09] < Eisofen> moin esden
[08:09]   Eisofen shoves a fresh cup of coffffeee to esden
[08:11] < esden> hi Eisofen
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[08:11] < esden> tanks Eisofen
[08:11] < blindcoder> moin esden
[08:11] < esden> moin blindcoder
[08:11] < blindcoder> esden: nur gut, dass sich durch `cvs up -Pd` momentan fast nichts aendert >_<
[08:13]   blindcoder thinking about `rm -rf download`
[08:13] < blindcoder> oder werden nicht mehr benoetigte package-sources von ./scripts/Download geloescht?
[08:17] < blindcoder> esden: ping
[08:18] < esden> blindcoder: nein werden nicht geloescht
[08:18] < esden> du musst ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d" " -f3 | xargs rm
[08:19] < esden> laufen lassen fuer's aufraeumen
[08:20] < blindcoder> hmm... ich glaub ich bastel was einfacheres zusammen
[08:20] < blindcoder> (einfacher zu verwenden)
[08:20] < Eisofen> noch einfacher?
[08:20] < Eisofen> ;-)
[08:21] < blindcoder> Eisofen: etwas wu ./scripts/Download -required -cleanup
[08:21] < esden> Eisofen: ja das frage ich mich auch ... wie er das machen will ...
[08:21] < esden> hmm ... ok ...
[08:21] < Eisofen> axo..
[08:22] < blindcoder> oder dass Download das automatisch macht
[08:22] < esden> blindcoder: ich habe dem cliff vorgeschlagen sowas zu machen ... aber der hat gesagt das es unnoetig ist weil das was ich oben geschrieben habe schon einfach genug ist ...
[08:22] < blindcoder> irgendwie sowas...
[08:22] < esden> blindcoder: nein
[08:22] < esden> nicht automatisch
[08:22] < blindcoder> hmm... okay, fuer _ihn_ isses einfach
[08:22] < esden> manche wollen die alten source pakete behalten
[08:22] < esden> blindcoder: fuer mich auch ...
[08:22] < blindcoder> stimmt automatisch is schlecht
[08:23] < blindcoder> esden: aber es gibt auch leute die sich mit shell-programmierung nicht so gut auskennen
[08:25] < esden> gibt es sowas ?
[08:25] < esden> echt ?
[08:25] < Eisofen> *rotwerd*
[08:25] < Eisofen> ich...
[08:25] < Eisofen> *huestel*
[08:25] < esden> wer nicht shell kann der ist nicht das leben wert ;-)
[08:25] < esden> Eisofen: tja ... anscheinend musst du sterben ;-)
[08:26] < Eisofen> bin ja auch schon zu alt....
[08:26] < esden> aha ... und was verstehst du unter zu alt ?
[08:26] < Eisofen> da lohnt sich's und in Dietzenbach is dann auch ne wohnung frei....
[08:26] < blindcoder> esden: oder Leute die einfach nicht immer so ne Konstruktion basteln wollen
[08:26] < Eisofen> 35
[08:27] < esden> Eisofen: ach ... geh ... das ist nicht alt oder zu alt ...
[08:27] < esden> es ist nur der wille der faehlt ...
[08:27]   esden has installed fluxbox yesterday ... on his main machine
[08:27] < esden> it is really cool
[08:28] < esden> it is xinerama aware ! and small/fast as blackbox
[08:28] < esden> it rulez !
[08:29] < blindcoder> esden: mir schwebt was vor, was ich jetzt, da alle kde-pakete in einem eigenen rep sind, brauchen kann
[08:29] < blindcoder> ich will naemlich nicht kde nue saugen, habs ja schon auf der platte
[08:29] < esden> and it has integrated keymapping ... not like in blackbox where you need an external app for it
[08:29] < esden> blindcoder: use -alt-dir
[08:29] < blindcoder> vielleicht sollte man eher sagen `./scriptsDownload -convert`
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[08:30] < blindcoder> -alt-dir?
[08:30] < esden> urgh !!!
[08:30] < esden> blindcoder: read the help !
[08:30] < esden> the command documentation !
[08:30]   esden is dying
[08:31] < esden> ./scripts/Download -alt-dir /daten/irgendein_alter_rocklinux_tree_wo_pakete_zu_finden_sind/ -all
[08:31] < Eisofen> nuja.. vieleicht nicht zu alt.. aber 'programmieren' war noch nie meine starke seite....
[08:31] < esden> Eisofen: ist training ... sonnst nichts
[08:32] < blindcoder> does that work even if the tar.bz2 in in rene/kde* and not in kde-30/*
[08:32] < esden> YES
[08:32] < blindcoder> okay, then it is just what I need :)
[08:33] < esden> and when I am right only when these are tar.bz2's ...
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[08:33] < esden> it is long time as I have implemented this feature in the Download script
[08:34] < blindcoder> cause then I can mv downold d_old and then after -alt-dir I can remove d_old and it's clean again :)
[08:34] < esden> no ... use -list-unknown ... that is much faster !
[08:34] < blindcoder> well, most of the packages _are_ in tar.bz2 so I don't worry about that
[08:35] < blindcoder> esden: you should have added it to scripts/Help
[08:35] < esden> ? you use 1.5 ?
[08:35] < blindcoder> esden: rene moved the whole kde* to a repository of it own
[08:35] < blindcoder> I don't WANT to download tham all again!
[08:35] < esden> ok ... good
[08:36] < blindcoder> especially since they are only in aanother directorf
[08:36] < esden> then make a new co ... and download all once more using -alt-dir
[08:37] < blindcoder> yes I just did that :)
[08:38] < blindcoder> and then I can remove d_old
[08:39] < esden> yes
[08:39] < blindcoder> esden: do you have a SparcStation standing around doing nothing that you would contribute to "Building sparc32-ROCK-1.7 on a Cluster?"
[08:40] < blindcoder> As it seems Zero will give me his :)
[08:40] < esden> yes ...
[08:40] < esden> a sparc station 2 and a sparc station 10
[08:40] < esden> is that ok ?
[08:40] < blindcoder> as soon as my new router is up I will try the first nfs-boot of the sparc32-machines
[08:40] < blindcoder> perfect :)
[08:41] < blindcoder> hmmm *thinking*
[08:42] < blindcoder> I could shut down te router, yank out the seconp processor and some RAM, punsh that into the SS10 and boot that one up tomorrow evening...
[08:42] < blindcoder> yes I think that's what I'll do
[08:42] < esden> blindcoder: have you seen my new desktop at home ? ... I have not yet made a screenshot of my fluxbox desktop ... but I have the window maker version online
[08:43] < blindcoder> the one you sinked yesterday?
[08:43] < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... ok ... do it ...
[08:43] < blindcoder> linked
[08:43] < esden> yes
[08:43] < blindcoder> yes I've seen it
[08:43] < esden> and ?
[08:43] < esden> besides that it is dark ;-)
[08:43] < blindcoder> looks cool, asthough the background-image is a llittle too empty IMO
[08:44] < esden> no it is simple ... and I really like it ... I do not want to have tons of thinks on my desktop ... that is disturbing me ...
[08:44] < esden> as I have realized ...
[08:44]   esden compiling fluxbox at the uni
[08:45] < blindcoder> yes, I know. But I like good overloaded background-images
[08:45] < blindcoder> rarpd... portmap... nfsd... everythings there but a nfsroot-kernel
[08:47] < blindcoder> in.tftpd is there, too
[08:47] < blindcoder> so only the image is missing...
[08:48] < esden> so create it
[08:49] < blindcoder> I'm currently reading  BUILD-CROSS Section: kernel :)
[08:50] < esden> ahh ... now I have fluxbox also here at the uni
[08:50] < esden> cool
[08:50] < esden> I have to feed my laptop with it too
[08:55] < blindcoder> esden: [ ] Support for SUN4 machines (disables SUN4[CDM] support)
[08:55] < blindcoder> yes/no?
[08:55] < blindcoder> for SS10?
[08:56] < blindcoder> mom...
[08:56] < esden> urgh ... no idea ...
[08:56] < blindcoder> stupid question... just have to have a look >_<
[09:02] < esden> ok ... I have to do some homework now
[09:02] < esden> cu all
[09:18] < blindcoder> https://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html#QUICK
[09:18] < blindcoder> finally I've found it again!
[09:18] < blindcoder> how to changee your ethernet address on a Sun-Machine!
[09:22] < blindcoder> vmlinux_sparc32_nfs.aout
[09:22] < blindcoder> okay... in theory I could boot up the SS10...
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[09:44] < blindcoder> oh boy... the download-locations for kde-31 are broken >_,
[09:53] < fooblah> has anybody a athlon optimized iso for me? :/
[09:53] < fooblah> or athlon-tbird if it works
[09:55] < fooblah> should i use Build-Target -cfg bootdisk or ./Create-ISO to build a iso?
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[10:03] < blindcoder> hi fake_school
[10:03] < fake_school> hi
[10:03] < fake_school> FINALY
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[10:03] < fake_school> i found an open, non-restirected cgi-irc
[10:03] < blindcoder> fooblah: first build the targfet, then create the ISO
[10:04] < fake_school> after searching at your server ;)
[10:04] < blindcoder> fake_school: cgi-irc is restricted?
[10:04] < blindcoder> btw. we have one on apollo...
[10:04] < blindcoder> it's open for OPN and #rocklinux
[10:04] < fake_school> blindcoder: most installations do not allow you to connect to any server / e.g. openprojects
[10:04] < fake_school> blindcoder: mind giving me the URL?
[10:05] < fake_school> ...
[10:05] < fake_school> hello?
[10:05] < blindcoder> https://apollo.bingo-ev.de/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
[10:05] < blindcoder> IIRC
[10:06] < fake_school> ah, thanks
[10:06] < blindcoder> fake_school: what about transconnect?
[10:06] < fake_school> blindcoder: i will be back right away - please stay here...
[10:06] < blindcoder> suro
[10:06] < blindcoder> sure
[10:06] < fake_school> i have a favour you could do me ;)
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[10:07] < fooblah> blindcoder: but if i build the build-target -cfg bootdisk it tries to make a bootdisk... is this wrong?
[10:07] < fooblah> blindcoder: koennen wir eben in deutsch reden?
[10:07] < blindcoder> no
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[10:07] < blindcoder> booting from cdrom is emulating a bootddisk
[10:07] < fake_school> aw. much better.
[10:07] < blindcoder> fooblah: klar
[10:07] < fooblah> also
[10:07] < fooblah> wenn ich jetzt build-target -cfg bootdisk mach dann siehts aus als wenn er ne bootdisk machen mag
[10:07] < blindcoder> stimmt
[10:07] < fooblah> aber da kommt immer der loop fehler
[10:07] < blindcoder> richtig so
[10:07] < fake_school> fooblah=german?
[10:07] < fake_school> *confused*
[10:07] < fooblah> fake: yes
[10:08] < blindcoder> fooblah: probier folgendes:
[10:08] < fake_school> hehe, dann haett ich mir gestern das suelzen sparen koennen
[10:08] < fooblah> hehe
[10:08]   fake_school needs a server running ssh or telnet/rlogin on port 443 - just for a test
[10:08] < blindcoder> cd /dev ; mkdir loop ; cd loop ; for x in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ln -s ../loop$x $x ; done
[10:08] < fake_school> s,server,machine connected to the internet,
[10:09] < blindcoder> fake_school: transconnect kann ueberall hinconnecten
[10:09] < fake_school> blindcoder: NACK
[10:09] < blindcoder> aber warte mal schnell
[10:09] < fake_school> blindcoder: nicht wenn der proxy sagt:
[10:09] < fake_school> Connection Refused: Proxy Error ( Der angegebene SSL-Port ist nicht zugelassen. Der ISA Server wurde zum Unterstützen von SSL-Anfragen von diesem Port nicht konfiguriert. Die meisten Webbrowser verwenden Port 443 für SSL-Anfragen.  )
[10:09] < fake_school> *blaeh*
[10:09] < blindcoder> urks
[10:09] < blindcoder> moment
[10:11]   fake_school fuehlt sich im IRC seinen mails immer so nah (Ctrl-a-d, mutt)
[10:11] < fake_school> ungewohnt dass es nicht geht
[10:11] < fooblah> *kaffee macht* :)
[10:11] < fake_school> IGITT
[10:11] < fake_school> CGI:IRC hat smiley-bildchen~!
[10:12] < fake_school> *blindwerd*
[10:12] < fake_school> ... *pfeiff*
[10:13] < fake_school> *klick* block all images from this server
[10:13] < fake_school> *niahaha*
[10:13] < blindcoder> *lol*
[10:13] < blindcoder> ssh://scavenger.homeip.net:443
[10:13] < fake_school> user?
[10:13] < blindcoder> fake
[10:14] -!- fooblah is now known as fooblah|c
[10:14] < fake_school> tnx
[10:14] < blindcoder> bin mir net sicher obs geht...
[10:15] < fake_school> nah... also hier scheints nich zu klappen...
[10:15] < blindcoder> das dauert...
[10:15] < blindcoder> 2x50MHz-Prozessor...
[10:15] < fake_school> okay *wart*
[10:15] < fake_school> ah, die suesse ss20
[10:15] < blindcoder> mhm
[10:15]   fake_school wird dann heute htun aufsetzen
[10:16] < blindcoder> hehe
[10:16] < fake_school> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[10:17] < blindcoder> hmm...
[10:17] < blindcoder> vom apollo aus gings...
[10:17] < blindcoder> warte mal
[10:17] < fake_school> na, des liegt an dem scheiss M$ Proxy
[10:17] < fooblah|c> hmm... default compiler for building (almost) everything... is das der, der benutzt wird um rocklinux zu baun, oder der, der dann auf die iso kommt?
[10:18] < fake_school> wenn ich auf ssh connecte, muesste doch so ein Versionsstring kommen, oder?
[10:18] < fake_school> fooblah: der zum bauen
[10:18] < fooblah|c> aso
[10:18] < fooblah|c> thxle
[10:18] < fake_school> fooblah: der aus dem paket gcc{3,2} [5/9] is dann als paket dabei
[10:18] < fooblah|c> gcc3.2 laesst dich bei mir nich baun
[10:19] < fake_school> der arsch
[10:19] < fooblah|c> hab ihn zwar local installd aber bei der rocklinux build mag er nich
[10:19] < fooblah|c> jo
[10:19] < fooblah|c> *gg*
[10:19] < blindcoder> probiers nochmal, hab ihn jetzt auf die schnelle kiste gebogen
[10:19] < blindcoder> crash@apollo:~$ ssh -p 443 scavenger.homeip.net
[10:19] < blindcoder> crash@scavenger.homeip.net's password:
[10:19] < fake_school> blindcoder: vergiss es, da stimmt was anderes nicht. aszlig meinte etwas von einem CONNECT-Bug in diesem komischen isa ding
[10:20] < blindcoder> bloed >_<
[10:20] < fake_school> aber htun muesste gehen
[10:21] < blindcoder> fake_school: ich dachte immer ich waere schnell eingeschnappt... aber Mike versucht mir den Rang abzulaufen...
[10:21] < fake_school> na, wenigstens krieg ich jetz schonmal DNS-Anfragen resolved
[10:21] < fake_school> blindcoder: du bist ne zicke, ja. was tut Mike?
[10:21] < blindcoder> --> Mailingliste
[10:21] < blindcoder> achso >_<
[10:21] < fake_school> *GRRR*
[10:22] < blindcoder> fake_school: er hat doch gestern tonnenweise patches geschickt
[10:22] < blindcoder> paket-updates
[10:22] < blindcoder> wies hat im ROCK-Guide drinsteh / er es verstanden hat
[10:23] < blindcoder> clifford hat dann gemeint, dass er es falsch verstanden hat und in Zukunft fuer paket-updates und aehnliche kleinigkeiten einen einzigen Patch schicken soll
[10:23] < fooblah|c> kann ich gcc2 und glib2.3 nehmen?
[10:23] < fooblah|c> oder gibts da probs?
[10:23] < blindcoder> und Mike ist jetzt eingeschnappt wie ein Tresorschloss
[10:24] < fake_school> blindcoder: verstaendlich...
[10:24] < fake_school> blindocder: laueft der noch (ssh/443) ?
[10:25] < fake_school> fooblah: wird schwierig...
[10:25] < fooblah|c> :/
[10:25] < fooblah|c> gcc3 mag aber nich *flenn*
[10:25]   fooblah|c verzweifelt langsam
[10:25] < blindcoder> "Ja, dann lass ich eben meine Finger von 1.7" "Sowas wird garantiert _NIE_ _WIEDER_ vorkommen weil ich an 1.7 nichts mehr machen werde"
[10:25] < blindcoder> fake_school: klar
[10:26] < blindcoder> fooblah|c: host-system auf glibc23 und gcc32 updaten
[10:26] < blindcoder> dann gehts :)
[10:26] < fooblah|c> hmm... glibc updaten... *Gg*
[10:26] < blindcoder> es geht zwar sonst nicht mehr viel, aber...
[10:26] < fooblah|c> da hab ich paar fiese erinnerungen... *gg*
[10:26] < blindcoder> naja, bis auf MySQL laeuft hier bei mir alles
[10:27] < fooblah|c> ich konnte nichtmal mehr starten - bei li(lo) hats gehangen *gg*
[10:27] < blindcoder> ohh
[10:27] < fooblah|c> kann mir wer dabei helfen?
[10:28] < fooblah|c> ich hab das mit den linuxthreads nich so geschnallt...
[10:28] < blindcoder> naja mein chef braucht mich schnell
[10:28] < fooblah|c> *gg*
[10:28] < blindcoder> bin dann mal away
[10:29] < fake_school> man bin ich genervt... ich will meine mails lesen *wimmer*
[10:30] < fooblah|c> ich mag rocklinux baun :(
[10:30] < fooblah|c> trau mich aber nich glibc upzudaten *gg*
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[10:34] < fake_school> so...
[10:37] < fooblah|c> bei rocklinux 1.4 - sind das current packages oder die "alten" ?
[10:38] < esden> argh ... they have really something wrong with their heads ... the gave a homework to interpret a registermachine program
[10:38] < esden> and these are 110 cycles ...
[10:38] < esden> that is too much ...
[10:38] < fooblah|c> esden: can u help me? just a little question...
[10:38] < esden> thank god I can use a computer to do this ...
[10:38] < esden> fooblah|c: yes ?
[10:39] < fooblah|c> i want to upgrad glibc - what's to do? i know... upgradpkg "oldfile"%"newfile" - but whats important to do?
[10:40] < fooblah|c> last time i tried to update glibc... my system stopped booting at li(lo) loading... :/
[10:41] < fake_school> esden!
[10:41] < fake_school> esden: wherer are you when today? school's out at ~13:00 today
[10:44] < esden> ...
[10:44] < esden> hmm ... no idea ... I have never updated a glibc
[10:45] < esden> your all programs have to be recompiled if you are updatin for example from glibc 22 to glibc 23
[10:45] < esden> otherwise nothing will work
[10:45] < fooblah|c> all?? ..
[10:45] < esden> fake_school: am I right ?
[10:46] < esden> fake_school: when I am well informed yes
[10:46] < fooblah|c> and can i install both? the old one and a the new one?
[10:46] < esden> fake_school: I have to go to daniel first and get lego from him and bring it to the uni ... after that I can probably go to IN
[10:47] < esden> fooblah|c: urgh ... yes that is theorically possible ... debian is practicing this when they update to a new glibc
[10:47] < esden> but that is a terrible hack
[10:47] < fooblah|c> *hrhr* *gg*
[10:47] < fooblah|c> i do this now
[10:48] < fooblah|c> i've got nothing to lost... gg*
[10:48] < esden> I would consider in your place to create a rock 1.7 bootable install cd ... backup your machine and then reinstall
[10:48] < fooblah|c> i can't build a bootable install cd! thats my problem :((
[10:48] < fooblah|c> i need! glibc2.3
[10:48] < fooblah|c> otherwise it won't work
[10:50] < esden> urgh ...
[10:51] < esden> do you hav a possibility to download two iso images ?
[10:51] < esden> I have a 1.7-fake-build laying around here
[10:53] < esden> and it is possible to build 1.7 on older glibc ... at least fake did it ;-)
[10:53] < fooblah|c> hmm...
[10:53] < esden> you could also ask blindcoder he messed with glibc too
[10:53] < esden> I am not sure what he exactly has done
[10:53] < fooblah|c> i need only a athlon-tbird optimized iso for download :)
[10:54] < fooblah|c> bootdisk...
[10:54] < esden> hmm ... my build is not yet ready ... i lack bootdisk
[10:55] < esden> fooblah|c: you can also use some other bootdisk ... you only should have mine on it
[10:55] < esden> to install .gem's
[10:59] < fooblah|c> ok - i'm downloading 1.5.20-pre -i686
[10:59] -!- fooblah|c is now known as fooblah|away
[11:07] < esden> hmm ... the megatokyo cover looks pretty good !
[11:14] < fooblah|away> i'm no watching stigmata on vhs *hrhr* :) - l8r
[11:14] < fake_school> esden: when do you think you can be @bitz?
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[11:21] < esden> cu all
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[11:24] < fake_school> esden: i guess i missed you answer
[11:24] < fake_school> mr. super-proxy killed the connection
[11:25] < th> 11:20:20 -!- fake_school [www-data@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ["CGI:IRC 0.5 (EOF)"]
[11:26] < th> 11:21:43 < esden> cu all
[11:26] < th> 11:23:58 -!- fake_school [www-data@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
[11:27] < fake_school> DOUH
[11:27] < fake_school> thanks th
[11:29] < fake_school> hm....
[11:29] < fake_school> i can connect to port 110, 21 and 80
[11:30] < fake_school> th: transconnect nees ssl-support in the proxy, right?
[11:31] < th> fake_school: don't know anything about transconnect but it's name
[11:31] < fake_school> hm... okay. i'll set up htun today ;)
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[11:32] < blindcoder> re
[11:32] < blindcoder> port 110 I can give you fake
[11:35] < fake_school> oh, sweet!
[11:35] < th> hat hier jemand ein fax-geraet in der naehe?
[11:35] < fake_school> i just noticed 21... and uploaded a php script onto apollo to start a sshd ad port $port *g*
[11:37] < fake_school> blindcoder: waiting
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[11:39] < fake_school> damn !?@^% proxy!
[11:39] < blindcoder> fake_school: you want 110?
[11:39] < fake_school> ack
[11:40] < blindcoder> okay, so I,ll deactivate 443
[11:40] < fake_school> jap
[11:41] < blindcoder> done
[11:42] < fake_school> thanks,... ill try
[11:43] < fake_school> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.4p1
[11:43] < fake_school> CHAKA
[11:44] < fake_school> is that on the ss20 or on crayhorse?
[11:44] < fake_school> it works! weeeeeeeeee!
[11:45] < fake_school> (without transconnect... somehow)
[11:45] < blindcoder> crayhorse
[11:45] < fake_school> it's slow like hell, but it works
[11:45] < blindcoder> yes, that's my DSL-Line
[11:45] < blindcoder> but you can now connect to apollo and configure it there if you like :)
[11:46] < fake_school> thanks!
[11:46] < fake_school> aeh... at home
[11:46] < blindcoder> you should have quite a good connectien directly to apollo.... after al *.ingolstadt.de and *.bingo-ev.de are on the same line
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[11:50] < fake> ENDLICH
[11:50] < fake_school> hehe. bye ;)
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[11:50] < blindcoder> sweet
[11:50] < fake> ACK!
[11:51] < blindcoder> direkt zu dir oder noch bei mur?
[11:51] < blindcoder> mir?
[11:51] < fake> direkt zu mir
[11:51] < fake> meine leitung is frei ;)
[11:51] < blindcoder> okay, dann schalt ichs bei mir wieder ab
[11:51] < fake> jop
[11:51] < blindcoder> hehe
[11:52] < blindcoder> iptables sind schon was schoenes :)
[11:52] < fake> endlich mails lesen.
[11:53] < blindcoder> *LOOOL*
[11:53] < blindcoder> lies die Mal "Curious" *LOL*
[11:54] < blindcoder> es ist eigentlich nicht lustig, aber trotzdem....
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[11:55] < blindcoder> moin Ge0rG
[11:55] < Ge0rG> hi
[12:00] < blindcoder> I need to get that damn nethack-package ready... >_<
[12:02] < fake> -> lesson
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[12:32] < blindcoder> hi isofenE :)
[12:32] < isofenE> wtf??
[12:32] < blindcoder> Eisofen ist bereits eingeloggt :)
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[12:33] < blindcoder> hehe
[12:33] < blindcoder> *freu*
[12:33]   blindcoder kann bald ROCK 1.7 auf einem 4-Nade-Cluster bauen
[12:33] < blindcoder> 4-Node-Cluster
[12:33] < Eisofen> aufnmal waren alle connections wech... ??
[12:34] < blindcoder> okay, 3xSS10(50MHz) und 1xSS20(50MHz)
[12:35] < blindcoder> Node-Master wird ne IPX sein, aber egal :)
[12:35] < blindcoder> brb scheissen
[12:40] < blindcoder> re
[12:45]   fake -> home
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[13:00] < owl> moin
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[13:26] < blindcoder> *yawn*
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[13:31] < blindcoder> moin bluefire
[13:32] < bluefire> moin blindcoder
[13:33]   blindcoder looking forward to the weekend
[13:33] < blindcoder> plugging 4 SS10 and 1 IPX togethel as a "Cluster" to build ROCK 1.7 sparc
[13:55] < fake> so.
[13:55]   fake -> daheim *g*
[13:55] < blindcoder> hi fake
[13:56] < fake> re blindcoder
[13:56]   fake has to fight telekom now... -_-
[13:56] < blindcoder> fake: an dich nochmal die selbe Frage wie an esden:
[13:57] < blindcoder> fake: hast du sparc32 Hardware die du mir fuer mein kleines Experiment leihen koenntest?
[13:57] < blindcoder> fake: why? what have thef done?
[13:57] < fake> blindcoder: the ss5 would kill your performance. the javastation even more. so, unfortunately, no.
[13:57] < fooblah> is da nen download-limit 30k/s bei iso.rocklinux.de ?
[13:58] < fake> blindcoder: they are still billing my phone in my flat @bonn
[13:58] < blindcoder> okay, no problem
[13:58] < blindcoder> fake: oh...
[13:58] < fake> *grml*
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[13:58] < blindcoder> fake: hmm... I could use them for tob-control... currently a IPX would be dedicated to do that...
[13:58] < blindcoder> s/tob/job/
[13:59] < blindcoder> or do you think an IPX would bu sufficient?
[13:59] < fake> welcher tag isn heut? der zwoefte?
[13:59] < blindcoder> mogli:~$ date
[13:59] < blindcoder> Wed Nov 13 13:59:47 CET 2002
[14:00] < fake> blindcoder: job control = master = nfs server ... ?
[14:00] < fake> = dein p4?
[14:00] < blindcoder> mein K6 wird NFS-Server
[14:00] < blindcoder> ich haette die IPX auch NFs-gemounted und da das master-script gestartet
[14:01] < fake> koennte gehen...
[14:01] < blindcoder> also nicht gut
[14:01] < fake> wird aber so oder so scheisslangsam.
[14:02] < fake> so, jetz telekom... *grr*
[14:02] < blindcoder> das is n anderes thema, SS10 = langsam
[14:02] < blindcoder> aber alles was ich kriegen kann
[14:02] < blindcoder> viel Erfolg :)
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[14:14] < fake> fsck
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[14:15] < blindcoder> fake hm?
[14:15] < fake> nah. telekom. *shakeshead*
[14:16] < blindcoder> what's up?
[14:17] < fake> "the database does no longer contain information... blah blah... colleague in bonn not reachable blah blah... call you back. bye."
[14:18] < blindcoder> the usual shit
[14:19] < blindcoder> "call you back" actually meaning: "YOU call ME back. But NOT before two weeks,, cause you annoy me"
[14:20] < blindcoder> If it wasn't for todays company meeting today would be perfect for me
[14:21] < blindcoder> my new CD-Writer got delivered, I could try booting the SS10 via network, I could go on Zeros nerves...
[14:23]   fake brb
[14:24] < fake> new acpi patch applied.... *g*
[14:24] < blindcoder> hehe
[14:25]   blindcoder got an interesting idea I would like to discuss with you tomorrow, fake
[14:25] < blindcoder> are you on the train tomorrow?
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[14:33] < blindcoder> hi Freak
[14:33] < Freak> ho blindcoder
[14:44]   [anders] is getting peeved with the bad atmosphere on the rock mailing list.. seriously contemplating unsubscribing as it is that bad..
[14:45] < [anders]> might as well take a look at LFS and work something out from there.
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[14:46]   [anders] is getting short tempered as well.. bad sign..
[14:46] < blindcoder> hi [anders]
[14:47] < blindcoder> hi capchaos
[14:47] < blindcoder> [anders]: hmm... i wouldn't bother that much... read it, laugh about it and ignore it
[14:49] < capchaos> moin
[14:52] < [anders]> re blindcoder
[14:54] < [anders]> blindcoder: I might start maintaining my own rock version for my machines where I strip out the cruft that gets build that I do not need and add in the things that I do use..
[14:54] < [anders]> I am seriously tempted in trying to create a rock linux based on uClibc...
[14:54] < [anders]> Perhaps then the install floppies would have sufficent amount of space w/o any problem whatsoever.
[14:56] < blindcoder> hmm
[14:56] < blindcoder> with this 2nd Stage Filesystem theey do have, don't they?
[14:56] < blindcoder> it just depends how large you make the ramdisk...
[14:58] < blindcoder> btw.: esden already started fscking around with uClibc if I'm not mistaken
[14:58] < [anders]> Yeah.. but a libc that is 250,000 bytes (shared lib) is sort of appealing..
[14:58] < blindcoder> brb, coffee
[14:58] < [anders]> (and not the nearly 4MB that GLibC is...)
[14:59] < blindcoder> sure
[15:07] < [anders]> they are using dietlibc..
[15:07] < blindcoder> 14:58 < blindcoder> btw.: esden already started fscking around with uClibc if I'm not mistaken
[15:07] < [anders]> there are diffrences, and uClibc is more compliant with glibc so more things should work..
[15:08] < [anders]> I managed to build busybox using uClibc so there is a start on a mini-system there already. :-D
[15:09] < blindcoder> hmm talk to esden then and tell him your results to combine your efforts
[15:09] < [anders]> I am also tempted using busybox instead of the other packages.. perhaps only pull in the other packages if there is something that can not be achieved with busybox.
[15:10] < [anders]> blindcoder: Yeah, shouldd do..  :)
[15:10] < [anders]> the reason for looking at this is that it could make my laptop usable for much longer. :)
[15:11] < blindcoder> I don't like using bb as long as there are alternatives
[15:12] < blindcoder> there are features I got quitu used to which are - for obvious reasons - not in bb
[15:12] < fake> phew.
[15:13] < fake> blindcoder: i am @school tomorrow
[15:13] < fake> what are your ideas?
[15:13] < blindcoder> friday
[15:13] < blindcoder> It's too sick for IRC
[15:14] < fake> too sick for irc... there is nothing that is too sick for irc i can think of
[15:14] < fake> oh well yes there is
[15:14] < fake> real life is too sick for irc ;)
[15:14] < blindcoder> see :)
[15:14] < [anders]> blindcoder: could have all busybox bits installed in /bin and /sbin and then all other utils installed in /usr/sbin and /usr/bin
[15:15] < [anders]> that way you could have a complete rescue system in your root fs just in case you can't mount /usr for example
[15:15] < blindcoder> [anders]: sure... I think oy tab-completion gor a start. also better help-text wourd be great in bb... a simple "Usage: find [options]" doesn't cut it IMO
[15:16] < blindcoder> where does my ability to type go...
[15:16] < fake> away
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[15:17] < blindcoder> I don't want to stop you from your wark that you've done nor do I want to discriminate it. But I just don't like BusyBox but prefer the way 1.7 does things
[15:18] < [anders]> blindcoder: have you looked at bb 0.60.5 ?
[15:18] < blindcoder> with the 2nd Stage File System
[15:18] < blindcoder> [anders]: the last one I've used was with 1.5.19 I think...
[15:19] < rolla> re
[15:19] < blindcoder> re rolla
[15:19] < [anders]> <spam>
[15:19] < [anders]> --(anders@alien)-[1662]-[Wed Nov 13 14:18:43]-(~/.gnome-desktop/cvs/rock-gnome2)--
[15:19] < [anders]> $ ~/usr/bin/find --help
[15:19] < [anders]> BusyBox v0.60.5 (2002.11.13-12:54+0000) multi-call binary
[15:20] < [anders]> Usage: find [PATH...] [EXPRESSION]
[15:20] < [anders]> Search for files in a directory hierarchy.  The default PATH is
[15:20] < [anders]> the current directory; default EXPRESSION is '-print'
[15:20] < [anders]> EXPRESSION may consist of:
[15:20] < [anders]> aaaargh!!
[15:20] < blindcoder> hmm... lloks good
[15:21] < [anders]> something is not right..
[15:21] < [anders]> the options are all explained...
[15:21] < [anders]> -follow Dereference symbolic links.
[15:21] < [anders]> -name PATTERNFile name (leading directories removed) matches PATTERN.
[15:21] < blindcoder> hmm... I'm sure they weren't in the last version I used. But it's _very_ good to see that
[15:22] < [anders]> -printPrint (default and assumed).
[15:22] < [anders]> </spam>
[15:22] < [anders]> busybox has been updated quite a lot..
[15:22] < blindcoder> wight be really useful for low-memory-systems with that
[15:23] < [anders]> the bb exec is 450k on my box.. and it uses the 250k uClibc.. :)
[15:23] < [anders]> how big is find, ls and cpio from the gnu utils? :)
[15:24] < blindcoder> who is maintaining the bootdisk-target? bug that person about adding the busybox to that as an option for low-memory-systems.
[15:24] < blindcoder> [anders]: around 2 MB if I should take a wild guess
[15:25] < [anders]> they are not that big.. combined the are...:
[15:25] < [anders]> $ ls -l /bin/cpio /bin/find /bin/ls
[15:25] < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        49288 May 30  2001 /bin/cpio
[15:25] < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        56468 May 30  2001 /bin/find
[15:25] < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root        47320 May 30  2001 /bin/ls
[15:26] < [anders]> but they depend on:
[15:26] < [anders]> $ ls -l /lib/libnsl-2.1.3.so /lib/libc-2.1.3.so /lib/ld-2.1.3.so
[15:26] < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       351209 May 29  2001 /lib/ld-2.1.3.so
[15:26] < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      4028330 May 29  2001 /lib/libc-2.1.3.so
[15:26] < [anders]> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       364758 May 29  2001 /lib/libnsl-2.1.3.so
[15:26] < blindcoder> well they are dynamically linked, aren't they? isn't bb static?
[15:26]   Mike1 is away: I'm busy
[15:26]   Mike1 is back (gone 00:00:01)
[15:26] < Mike1> re
[15:27] < blindcoder> hi Mike1
[15:27] < [anders]> bb can be made static.. mine is dynamic
[15:27] < [anders]> re Mike1
[15:27] < Mike1> hi blindy
[15:27] < Mike1> huhu [anders]
[15:28] < [anders]> would be nice if I could get Gnome and XF86 to build using uClibc.. I think it will not work, but it would be cool to try.. :)
[15:29] < blindcoder> hmm... esden said something about Xfree compiling with UuClibc
[15:34]   fake will drive to saturn now to have a look at the portable mp3 players... ;)
[15:34] < fake> cu l8er
[15:34] < blindcoder> fake: !!
[15:35] < blindcoder> fake: have a look at the prices for Philips DVD+R writers!
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[15:38] < blindcoder> hi c4y0
[15:38] < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!!
[15:45] < blindcoder> *yawns*
[15:46] < Mike1> blindcoder: whats the status of ur 1.7 build?
[15:46] < Mike1> hi c4y0
[15:46] < blindcoder> mom
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[15:47] < blindcoder> == 15:43:05 =[5]=> Building kde-30/kdemultimedia-30 [3.0.3 1.7-snapshot].
[15:48] < blindcoder> 1087 builds total, 386 completed fine, 50 with errors.
[15:48] < Mike1> mm...
[15:48] < Mike1> blindcoder: thanks for the update :)
[15:48] < blindcoder> running build for pentium4 and Stage 9 enabled
[15:48] < blindcoder> 586 builds total, 465 completed fine, 73 with errors.
[15:48] < Mike1> i removed my 1.7 tree last night
[15:48] < blindcoder> finished build without optimisation and Stage 9 disabled
[15:49] < Mike1> i was 1/2 a bit pissed off
[15:49] < blindcoder> Mike1: yes, I think I understand you
[15:49] < Mike1> blindcoder: didnt you had any problems with imlib2?
[15:49] < Mike1> stage 5
[15:49] < blindcoder> it probably didn't build
[15:49] < Mike1> blindcoder: yeah but still i over reacted, i feel really ashamed about that
[15:50] < blindcoder> [5] rene/imlib2
[15:50] < Mike1> blindcoder: ah right you are running without the abort on brake option right?
[15:50] < blindcoder> Mike1: hmm ... ask fake and esden about me and they'll tell you that I'm just as short-tempered as you :)
[15:50] < blindcoder> yes
[15:51] < Mike1> blindcoder: hehehe
[15:52] < Mike1> guess thats why we get along that well
[15:52] < Mike1> :P
[15:52] < blindcoder> hehe :)
[15:53] < blindcoder> I just compile it, look through if some essential package failed and if not then I'll install it
[15:54] < blindcoder> and if it works out I'll start my sick "Compile ROCK on a SS10-Cluster" thingie :)
[15:54] < Mike1> Cool
[15:54] < blindcoder> see rock-ports-mailinglist :)
[15:55] < Mike1> when did you sent the mail?
[15:55] < blindcoder> hmm today some one or two hours ago
[15:56] < blindcoder> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:45:45 +0100
[15:56] < Mike1> have not received it
[15:56] < blindcoder> are you subscribed to rock-ports?
[15:59] < Mike1> blindcoder: ack
[15:59] < blindcoder> strange...
[15:59] < Mike1> blindcoder: i am subscribed to all rock lists
[15:59] < blindcoder> I'll post it to you private okay?
[15:59] < Mike1> ack
[15:59] < [anders]> narf...
[16:00] < [anders]> if XF86 builds with uClibc... I should possibly give it a go.. :)  A system that is not so memory hungry is a good thing...
[16:01] < Mike1> [anders]: how are you today?
[16:01] < [anders]> the question is if I can get it to work with Gnome
[16:01] < [anders]> Mike1: tired, fed up with the bickering on the mailing lists.. considering unsubscribing..
[16:02] < [anders]> rock is not my project, as I am not an active (comparatively) developer I have no say in what happens or where it goes so I might as well pilfer as much as I can and hack my own thing..
[16:03] < Mike1> [anders]: i wouldnt like you to usubscribe
[16:03] < blindcoder> [anders]: you don't need to be an 'active developer' get people moving
[16:04] < Mike1> ur personal trees have been very usefull for the 1.5 tree
[16:04] < Mike1> [anders]: does this have anything to do with my patch bomb and my issue with Clifford?
[16:07] < [anders]> blindcoder: the project leaders/owners only understand code, not reasoning it appears.. I do not speak code that well.. Might as well keep quiet and go elsewhere.. Perhaps take a look at SuSE again..
[16:08] < Mike1> oh my god
[16:08] < [anders]> Mike1: I would not like to either, but when things get too bad, I see no point in staying around..
[16:08] < Mike1> [anders]: yesterdays issue was nothing than just a missunderstanding and a over reaction from my side
[16:08] < [anders]> Mike1: it does have partly something to do with the patch flood yes, but this goes back further..
[16:09]   Mike1 feels even worst now
[16:09] < blindcoder> [anders]: as sad as it is, but I think I can understand you. The problem is I can also understand the other side - partially at least
[16:09] < Mike1> [anders]: we have managed to get a almost stable tree with gnome2 and most of that couldnt have been possible without you
[16:10] < [anders]> imho there was mis-management in rock at 1.5.12 and the fork of 1.7. not enough emphasis was put on getting 1.6 released and too much emphasis was put on featuritis and blinkered focus on 1.7
[16:10] < [anders]> blindcoder: during the last few years, my focus in computing has changed somewhat. I *NEED* a stable easy to update system to do my work on..
[16:11] < Mike1> [anders]: some months ago you huebi and i agreed that no matter if all other moved to 1.7 we would keep hanging aroung with 1.5
[16:11] < [anders]> Debian seems nice, but hard to get into..
[16:11] < [anders]> SuSE I at least has a sporting chance dealing with..
[16:11] < [anders]> Mike1: I'll carry on working on 1.5, but for the rest of the lot, I could not care less..
[16:12] < Mike1> [anders]: we have said that as well before :)
[16:13] < [anders]> Mike1: I will do more work as I get time, I need to update the rock-gnome2 tree, create an experimental cvs tree for uClibc, hack on Gnome 2.1.1
[16:13] < [anders]> there is too much to do and too little time..
[16:13] < Mike1> [anders]: i know you, the time will come magically :)
[16:15] < [anders]> Mike1: at the moment, if I can manage two hours a week, it would be great. I would prefer to be able to lay down perhaps 5-8 hours.. Not enough time..
[16:15] < blindcoder> I don't nom that much about 1.5 anymore, haven't much on it to be honest
[16:15] < blindcoder> haven't looked at it
[16:16] < blindcoder> haven't look muched at it
[16:16] < Mike1> blindcoder: ok i got ur point
[16:16] < blindcoder> oh boy... rors are once again out to kill me >_<
[16:16] < [anders]> blindcoder: there are cvs repositorys that you can look at.. :)
[16:16] < blindcoder> [anders]: sure, I even have the latest one on my hd
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[16:17] < holyolli> moin
[16:17] < Mike1> holy
[16:17] < Mike1> :)
[16:17] < holyolli> Mike1:
[16:17] < holyolli> :)
[16:17] < blindcoder> problem is: since the update to glibc 2.3.1 almost no 1.5 package compiles anymore
[16:17] < blindcoder> hi holyolli
[16:17] < holyolli> Mike1: or should i call your mailman...? ;)
[16:17] < holyolli> hi blindcoder
[16:17] < holyolli> s/your/you
[16:18] < Mike1> holyolli: not anymore
[16:18] < [anders]> blindcoder: update to 2.3.1?
[16:18] < holyolli> Mike1: *g*
[16:18] < Mike1> holyolli: please dont remind me of that insident
[16:18] < [anders]> blindcoder: I was not aware they had updated it. I have not looked at it for the last few weeks..
[16:18] < blindcoder> and pkg-removed deleted /etc/{passwd,group,shadow} yesterday
[16:18] < blindcoder> [anders]: no not in 1.5, on my running system
[16:19] < [anders]> blindcoder: aah.. okay.. :)  I do not know about that, not updated glibc so..
[16:19] < blindcoder> I don't think anyone should... just too much breaks >_<
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[16:22] < holyolli_> gnarfrmbl...
[16:22] < blindcoder> holyolli_: yes, I fully agree with that.
[16:22] < holyolli_> blindcoder: oh..do you also have disconnects all the time...?
[16:23] < blindcoder> I use transconnect threugh a https-proxy to a shell-server to my WS at home. what do you think?
[16:24] < holyolli_> hm. o.k.
[16:25] < blindcoder> I reconnect about once every ten minutes
[16:25] < holyolli_> oh
[16:27] < blindcoder> Just like now. I'd die if it wasn't for screen
[16:27] < holyolli_> *g*
[16:27] < [anders]> screen is a very handy util.... :)
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[16:28] < holyolli> jepp
[16:28] < blindcoder> [anders]: screen is even more essential than nethack
[16:35] < praenti> hi
[16:36] < Mike1> hi praenti
[16:36] < blindcoder> hi praenti
[16:38] < blindcoder> c0ff33
[16:38] < praenti> ?? coffein concentration too low?
[16:39] < blindcoder> always
[16:39] < blindcoder> well it's the last cup for today
[16:39] < praenti> ;-)
[16:39] < blindcoder> basically because I'm too lazy to refill the coffee-machine
[16:40] < praenti> sit up and refill the machine. perhaps you need another cup ;-))
[16:41] < blindcoder> hmm I'm at work for another two hours and then it's "grosse Fresserei" with the whole company
[16:41] < praenti> most of the time i have the same problem. last cup, too lazy to refill, angry cause no coffee is in the machine
[16:42] < blindcoder> too bad they declined me the "Azubi"
[16:42] < blindcoder> the other two I had made really good coffee
[16:42] < praenti> ;-)
[16:43] < holyolli> .oO(english for runnaways....englisch fuer fortgeschrittene...)
[16:43] < blindcoder> holyolli: as lang as everyone understands what I (have) to say, it's alright
[16:43] < praenti> holyolli: what do you mean. i know this sentence from otto
[16:44] < praenti> ohh i see...
[16:44] < praenti> where is my brain?
[16:45] < blindcoder> boy... I should have disabled Stage 9 and kde*
[16:45] < Mike1> find -name *praenti-brain*
[16:45] < holyolli> *fg*
[16:45] < blindcoder> cat /dev/null >/dev/praenti/misc/brain
[16:45] < blindcoder> oops();
[16:45] < Mike1> lol
[16:45] < holyolli> hehe
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[16:47] < praenti> i nkow another one:
[16:47]   blindcoder thinking about getting himself a DVD-Writer
[16:47] < praenti> locvly god, let it rain brain!
[16:47] < praenti> s/locvly/lovely
[16:48] < blindcoder> plwhat use is it if people keep using umbrellas?
[16:48] < praenti> or: you can get chappy also with brain
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[16:49] < blindcoder> praenti: erm... now the jokes start getting zero-niveau (as in Florian Anthofer)
[16:49] < holyolli> .oO(*platsch*...daneben... ;-)
[16:49] < holyolli> (sorry...no english translation available... )
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[16:50] < blindcoder> == 16:48:35 =[5]=> Building rene/blender [2.25b 1.7-snapshot].
[16:50] < holyolli> btw. have you read the article about the hacktrain?
[16:50] < blindcoder> hmm... sitll taking bets
[16:50] < term_emu> hoi
[16:50] < blindcoder> hi term_emu
[16:50] < holyolli> hi term_emu
[16:50] < blindcoder> holyolli: hacktrain?
[16:50] < holyolli> https://www.hacktrain.verbrennung.org/
[16:51] < holyolli> <-- is thinking of driving with it...
[16:51] < blindcoder> hmm nothing near munich
[16:52] < blindcoder> also the problem: how to transport 4 Monitors, 2 PCs 2 Alphas and 4 Sparc Stations
[16:52] < holyolli> hmmm.... teleporter?
[16:52] < praenti> ohh. there is a link to the hackbus. hmm
[16:52] < blindcoder> can you tell me an affordable one near munich?
[16:53] < praenti> blindcoder: hackbus augsburg-berlin
[16:53] < blindcoder> what the fuck is a "Atomfisch"?
[16:54] < blindcoder> hmm Nuremburg is on the route...
[16:55] < blindcoder> still the problem with the hardware
[16:55] < blindcoder> I may have up to 6 or even 8 monitors with me
[16:56] < holyolli> blindcoder: why...du you have so many eyes?
[16:56] < praenti> yes. this is the main problem i think
[16:56] < blindcoder> I will have all the luggage from esden with me, just like last year
[16:56] < blindcoder> holyolli: sure, two on each side of the head for the "Rumdumblick"
[16:56] < holyolli> *fg*
[16:56] < praenti> blindcoder: should we start an own bus?
[16:57] < holyolli> rockbus
[16:57] < holyolli> (tm)
[16:57] < holyolli> ;)
[16:57] < Mike1> holybus even
[16:57] < blindcoder> praenti: it would be cool to charter our own bus
[16:57] < praenti> i dont know if this is working. i only know that someone of the lugin can drive busses and have good connection to spangler touristik
[16:57] < blindcoder> espcially since I don't know if I get the Alhambra this year
[16:58] < blindcoder> don't misunderstand me, but I don't like most people from the lugin
[16:58]   praenti takes a shower
[16:59] < blindcoder> brb
[16:59] < holyolli> Mike1: i have something what somebody called a holybus...but it isn't so really big at all...
[17:00] < Mike1> :)
[17:02] < blindcoder> back
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[17:12] < [anders]> screen is indeed essential..
[17:12] < [anders]> lost connection to home box seriously there..
[17:13] < Mike1> re [anders]
[17:13] < blindcoder> [anders]: [anders] I did so just now, too
[17:13] < [anders]> re re
[17:14] < blindcoder> ironically, the last line I saw was "17:12 < [anders]> screen is indeed essential.."
[17:14]   [anders] is going to go home and get some sleep me thinks.. /me is very tired...
[17:14] < Mike1> sleep well [anders]
[17:14] < blindcoder> hmm... I'd love to do so, too
[17:14] < blindcoder> good n8 [anders]
[17:14] < Mike1> jeg da
[17:14] < [anders]> nighty nighty.. hope to hack on gnome2.1 tomorrow...
[17:21]   blindcoder falling almost asleep
[17:21] < blindcoder> haw shall I stand through the meeting >_,
[17:36] < Mike1> huebi: awake
[17:36] < Mike1> ?
[17:38] < blindcoder> hmm I don't think so...
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[17:44] < armijn> re
[17:46] < blindcoder> hi armijn
[17:46] < Mike1> hi armijn
[17:47] < armijn> hehe, I really expected rene's posting in the thread about 1.5.20
[17:47] < armijn> about having support for alpha and ppc in 1.7
[17:47] < holyolli> hi armijn
[17:47] < armijn> I mean...look at the subject :))
[17:47] < holyolli> *g*
[17:47] < armijn> subject: 1.5.20
[17:47] < blindcoder> armijn: hmm... yes...
[17:47] < armijn> reply: we've got stuff working in 1.7
[17:49]   blindcoder looking forward for the weekend
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[17:53] < armijn> ah well, am off again...
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[17:58] < blindcoder> okay I'm of now
[17:58] < blindcoder> c ya tomorrow
[18:01] < Mike1> yasumi nasai
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[18:21] < Mike1> litost !!!
[18:21] < Mike1> :)
[18:21] < litost> Mike1!! what's up!
[18:21] < Mike1> nothing much just working as usual
[18:21] < Mike1> and you ?
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[18:22] < litost> ugh...just got out of a math test and now i'm at work
[18:22] < Mike1> had fun?
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[18:23] < c4y0> ok! i'm here again!!!!!!!!
[18:23] < litost> ummm...it was hard, but i think i did okay
[18:24] < Mike1> litost: congratz
[18:24] < litost> thanks =)
[18:24] < Mike1> c4y0 que mas?
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[18:31]   fake back
[18:44] < th> how is the load avg calculated?
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[19:37] < tcr> moin all
[19:38] < c4y0> hello!!!!!!!!!!
[19:38] < c4y0> where is every body?????????
[19:39] < c4y0> hey!!!!!!!!
[19:39] < tcr> yeah
[19:39] < c4y0> jejeje!
[19:39] < tcr> what's up
[19:40] < c4y0> i'm here! learning to install rock!
[19:41] < tcr> good choice :D
[19:42] < c4y0> yeah! but i'm stopped trying to enter the zone name
[19:43] < c4y0> say "list" for a list, but not such time zone found
[19:43] < c4y0> what can i do?
[19:44] < tcr> where do you live
[19:44] < c4y0> colombia
[19:44] < tcr> mom
[19:45] < c4y0> time zone America/Bogota ---------> this say always in other instalation
[19:46] < tcr> doesn't it work?
[19:46] < c4y0> not such time zone found
[19:48] < tcr> mom
[19:49] < c4y0> ?
[19:50] < Freak> he wants you to wait a "mom"ent
[19:51] < c4y0> ok
[19:51] < Freak> (:
[19:57] < tcr> sorry was away c4y0
[19:57] < tcr> are you sure America/Bogota is the time zone that you want to use, yea?
[20:00] < c4y0> always say that zone when i install some linux!
[20:01] < tcr> oks
[20:02] < c4y0> whish package admin the time zone?
[20:02] < tcr> c4y0: When having booted your newly installed system, create a link from /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Bogota to /etc/localtime
[20:03] < c4y0> so, how skip this step to continue the installation?  Ctrl+c
[20:03] < c4y0> Esc
[20:04] < tcr> just enter any timezone
[20:04] < tcr> Europe/Berlin
[20:04] < tcr> e.g.
[20:05] < tcr> when booted, just overwrite the /etc/local link
[20:05] < tcr> /etc/localtime
[20:08] < c4y0> ok
[20:12] < c4y0> ups!
[20:13] < c4y0> accidentaly i press Ctrl+c
[20:13] < c4y0> bad habit
[20:13] < tcr> *g*
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[20:38] < owl> moin
[20:38] < c4y0> hi owl!
[20:39] < owl> hi c4y0
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[20:58] < fooblah> hello
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[21:00] < owl> hi fooblah|eating
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[21:05] < tsa> tag
[21:05] < tcr> m0in
[21:06] < owl> tach tsa. tcr
[21:14] -!- fooblah|eating is now known as fooblah
[21:15] < fooblah> hab ein problem - wenn ich rocklinux installiert hab und die lilo.conf aendere dann kommt immer kernel panic
[21:15] < fooblah> unable to mount (vergessen)
[21:15] < fooblah> und root="" - das es halt nich richtig is
[21:16] < fooblah> in der lilo conf hab ich aber nix gefunden bis auf dieses append - was soll des sein? seh ich da zum ersten mal
[21:26] < tsa> devfs.
[21:27] < tsa> der kernel muss seine root-partition irgendwoher kennen.
[21:27] < tsa> append="root=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target8/lun0/part2" <- so zum beispiel
[21:27] < fooblah> hab schon :)
[21:27] < tsa> ;-)
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[21:53]   fake copying 10 gig of mp3 via USB...
[21:53] < owl> hi fake. viel spass dabei.
[21:54] < owl> btw, hast heute eine tolle zug-fahrt verpasst... 2 std. verspaetung fast.
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[21:55] < litost> Can I get a re re! (=
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[21:56] < owl> hi litost
[21:56] < capone> hia
[21:56] < litost> hey there owl
[21:56] < owl> litost: mp3s will be online tomorrow...
[21:56] < litost> i forgot to bring the cd today :(
[21:56] < litost> same here :)
[21:56] < capone> What amazes me, and especially recently, is the somehow agressive tone I
[21:56] < capone> see between some developers
[21:56] < owl> litost: *g* no problem ;)
[21:56] < capone> umm.
[21:57] < owl> capone: huh?
[21:57] < fake> owl: habs gehoert. strom is ausgefallen, gell?
[21:57]   capone reading mailing list
[21:57] < owl> fake: k.a. oberleituns-stoerungen...
[21:59] < capone> umm. cya
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[22:00] < owl> capone: bye
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[22:07] < owl> fake: biste morgen (morgen und/oder abend) im zug?
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[22:15] < tsa> *yawn*
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[22:17] < capone> re
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[22:21] < holyolli_> re
[22:21] < owl> moin holyolli_
[22:21] < holyolli_> moin owl
[22:21]   owl = off now
[22:21] < owl> gn8. cu
[22:21] < holyolli_> n8 owlita *hug*
[22:22] < owl> *grrrrrrr* don't touch me
[22:22] < owl> bye
[22:22] < owl> n8 holyolli_
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[22:36] < capone> pk5
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[22:42] < capone> umm
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[22:44] < Mike1> re
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[22:56] < rolla> Mike
[22:56] < Mike1> Joel
[22:56] < rolla> x11/gnomemm1 died :(
[22:56] < fake> DAMN VFAT
[22:57] < fake> i just tried to copy all my mp3s to my player
[22:57] < rolla> suck
[22:57] < fake> but vfat does not support more than 255 entries in /
[22:57] < rolla> I need to keep track of how many rene packages die in one build
[22:57] < fake> now i am stuck with 20 directories i can't delete
[22:57] < fake> i/o error
[22:57] < fake> ... will reformat.
[22:57] < fake> cya later!
[22:57] < capone> cya fake
[23:01] < Mike1> hi capo
[23:01] < capone> um.
[23:02] < Mike1> hmpf
[23:03] < rolla> 17 broken packages fromrene :(
[23:04] < capone> hi Mike1
[23:04] < Mike1> rolla very few compared to sometime ago
[23:04] < rolla> true
[23:04] < Mike1> == 16:01:17 =[5]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2 1.7-snapshot].
[23:05] < rolla> you got gcc3 to start building ?
[23:06] < Mike1> rolla: not sure yet if it will work
[23:07] < Mike1> capone: what are you doing?
[23:09] < Mike1> 11/13/02 16:11:20 =[5]=> Aborted building package gcc3.
[23:09] < Mike1> rolla hehe nope
[23:11] < th> hi Mike1
[23:11] < Mike1> hi Tobias
[23:11] < Mike1> mom /me on a meeting with his boss
[23:13] < capone> cya
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[23:28]   c4y0 is away: no tardo!!!!!
[23:40] < esden> hi all ..
[23:44] < th> Mike1: there is still no gvim built
[23:51]   c4y0 is away: out for dinner!!!!! see you soon!!!! ;o)
[23:54] < Mike1> th: i will use --enable-max-features perhaps that might fix it
[23:54] < th> no
[23:54] < Mike1> current vim.conf has basically the same stuff that it has since you maintained it
[23:54] < th> it won't
[23:54] < th> it is a timing problem
[23:54] < Mike1> and it gets build _AFTER_ all gnome packages
[23:54] < th> it's a question of when to build it
[23:55] < th> it was an extension at my time
[23:55] < Mike1> as you can see on the priority field
[23:55] < th> but if i start a build after install it gets gvim
[23:55] < Mike1> ?
[23:56] < th> how to read the priority field?
[23:56] < Mike1> i honestly had forgot to test gvim as i dont use it, still the priority filed was changed as you requested to make it work
[23:56] < Mike1> do something easy
[23:56] < Mike1> ./scripts/Puzzle ; less scripts/packages
[23:57] < Mike1> in the packages file you will see the order on which packages get build
[23:57] < th> so it's that single letter?
[23:58] < Mike1> ---- scripts/packages 031.121
[23:58] < th> vim is the 15th package to be build
[23:58] < Mike1> thats what i mean about the priority sorry for the misunderstanding
[23:59] < Mike1> th no it isnt
[23:59] < th> for me it is the 15th package in scripts/packages
[23:59] < th> talking about 1.5.x?
[23:59] < Mike1> th yes
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Thu Nov 14 00:00:05 2002