-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Dec 04 00:00:19 2002
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[06:38] < LoriZzZ> moin
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[08:15] < raffi> hi
[08:20] < blindcod1r> moin
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[10:07] < blindcoder> hehe the gnu homepage is always good for a laugh :)
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[11:35] < th_> moin
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[12:13] < esden> morning
[12:22] < raffi> hi
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[12:30] < esden> hmm ... and ... off
[12:46] < blindcoder> damn you, esden!
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[14:38] < rolla_home> re
[14:39] < blindcoder> re rolla_home
[14:39] < blindcoder> finally someone is here :)
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[14:41] < owl> hi
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[14:42] < blindcoder> hi owli!
[14:42] < esden> re
[14:42] < blindcoder> re esden :)
[14:42] < owl> hi esden, blindcoder
[14:42] < esden> damn me ?
[14:43] < esden> hi owl
[14:43] < blindcoder> just wanted to get your attention :)
[14:43] < esden> now you have my attention
[14:43] < blindcoder> esden: will you be @bitz this evening?
[14:44] < blindcoder> owl: 1735?
[14:46] < owl> blindcoder: noe. bin zuhause.
[14:47] < blindcoder> owl: krankgeschrieben?
[14:47] < esden> blindcoder: yes I will be there
[14:47] < owl> blindcoder: jep. diese woche. virusgrippe... ;P
[14:47]   esden has to take the train today >_<
[14:47] < owl> esden: haha. welchen denn?
[14:48] < blindcoder> esden: okay, then I'll come round at about 1830
[14:48] < blindcoder> owl: gute besserung!
[14:48] < esden> ssh weasel@owl -e "export LANG=en_EN"
[14:48] < esden> blindcoder: kk
[14:49] < blindcoder> well, that way I can drink my coffee undisturbed :)
[14:49] < esden> blindcoder: do you have something to show ?
[14:49] < blindcoder> esden: which train?
[14:49] < owl> blindcoder: danke.
[14:49] < esden> I will try to get the one around 17:00 or so ...
[14:50] < owl> esden: why english? can't you understand german anymore? or is the stuff we're talking about interesting for guys who just can speak english?!!!!
[14:50] < blindcoder> esden: 1735!!!
[14:51] < esden> owl: no ... but in this channel german language is depricated
[14:52] < blindcoder> if (getenv('LANG') != "en_EN") warn "MEEP MEEP!\n";
[14:52] < owl> esden: oh great. but - why are other people speaking german then, sometimes? or spanish...? cuz it's not depricated if THOSE GUYS r speaking it?!
[14:52] < owl> !!!!!!!!!
[14:52] < owl> and bye esden
[14:53] < blindcoder> "multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind."
[14:53] < owl> if you're annoyed then try to get a girlfriend and annoy her! but not _ME_!!!
[14:53] < blindcoder> owl: he's trying, can't you see?
[14:53] < blindcoder> :)
[14:53] < esden> lol owl is in bad mood ;-)
[14:54] < esden> ok ... so I am off ... I will try to get the 17:35 train @ blindcoder
[14:54]   esden off
[14:54] < owl> esden: not in bad mood! but i can't see someone complaining about the fscking language ! noone expecting YOU! and _you_ can understand german!
[14:54] < owl> so DON'T COMPLAIN!!!!!!!
[14:54] < owl> *ARGH*
[14:54] < blindcoder> owl: calm down, will ya?
[14:55] < owl> blindcoder: esden is off --> yes, i will calm down!
[14:55] < owl> (expecting someone else will anoy me)
[14:55] < owl> s/anoy/offend
[14:55] < blindcoder> you mean except...
[14:55] < owl> yea
[14:55] < blindcoder> I don't think you _expect_ someone to anny you :{
[14:56] < blindcoder> ;)
[14:56] < owl> damn. i have fever. i can't think right now
[14:56] < blindcoder> But I could if you like :)
[14:56] < owl> blindcoder: *grml* ;P
[14:56] < blindcoder> s/right now//
[14:57] < blindcoder> wie lang biste krankgeschrieben?
[14:57] < owl> nur bis einschl. freitag.
[14:58] < blindcoder> also rest der woche
[14:58] < owl> genau. ich lasse dich im stich ;PPP
[14:58] < blindcoder> Weib halt
[14:59] < owl> heh!!!
[14:59] < blindcoder> is doch so
[15:00] < owl> noe.
[15:00] < blindcoder> doch doch doch!
[15:00] < owl> nein, nein, nein.
[15:01] < owl> aber maenner - die sind untreu, lassen einem im stich, wenn's ihnen dannach ist und brauchen eine freundin eigentlich nur zum fscken und wenn ihnen sonst nix besseres einfaellt.
[15:01] < owl> bzw. wenn ihnen langweilig ist.
[15:02] < blindcoder> diese einstellung koennte der Grund sein warum du keinen mann findest...
[15:02] < owl> blindcoder: noe. warum denn? ich koennte einen haben... wenn ich wollte... (du weisst schon wer...)
[15:03] < blindcoder> hm? n, ehrlich gesagt nicht... es sei denn...
[15:03] < owl> j.
[15:09] < rolla> re
[15:10] < blindcoder> re rolla
[15:10] < owl> hi rolla
[15:10] < rolla> hallo
[15:16]   SMP _braucht_ ueberhaupt keine Freundin
[15:17] < owl> hi SMP
[15:17] < blindcoder> well... needing a gf is one hthing... wanting another
[15:17] < blindcoder> hi SMP btw. :)
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[15:29] < temr> hi
[15:29] < blindcoder> hi temr
[15:30] < owl> hi temr
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[15:37] < codeq> hi
[15:37] < blindcoder> hi codeq
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[15:39] < bfinch|away> hello
[15:39] < owl> hi bfinch|away
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[15:40] < blindcoder> hi finch
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[15:42] < bfinch|away> hey guys
[15:43] < bfinch|away> i am a sorcerer user...and welli am lurking
[15:43] < bfinch|away> just downloaded the drock stuff to look at
[15:43] < bfinch|away> how does rock compare to sorcerer?
[15:44] < blindcoder> that's a good question... never had a look at sorcerer
[15:44] < bfinch|away> well..ican tellya briefly about it, if that would help
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[15:45] < blindcoder> wasn't it that when you 'cast' a spell (package) it gets downloaded and compiled?
[15:45] < blindcoder> or am I mixing stuff up?
[15:45] < bfinch|away> well , basically....
[15:45] < bfinch|away> ...but it does the following
[15:46] < bfinch|away> tracks files as they are installed as to both location, which package they "belong to', and their md5sum
[15:47] < bfinch|away> which allows for downgrading, upgrading, repair, and conflict respolution
[15:47] < blindcoder> hmm that would be equal to the "flists" except that we don't do md5summing of installed files
[15:47] < bfinch|away> also allows for variable provides as wella s variable dependancy resolution
[15:47] < bfinch|away> oh o.k.
[15:48] < bfinch|away> wellt he md5sum comes in handy...as verification and (if needed) repair
[15:48] < blindcoder> rock basically looks this:
[15:48] < blindcoder> you get rock itself (about 1.5 MB)
[15:49] < blindcoder> then configure what you want (libc, gcc, any other packages, optimisation et al)
[15:49] < blindcoder> then download the packages (programs: starting from said gcc libc until apache mysql and that stuff
[15:50] < blindcoder> then it gets compiled and packaged into .gem or .tar.bz2
[15:50] < blindcoder> You then burn the compiled packages and install-disks etc. on one or more CDs (script included) and throw that into you box
[15:50] < blindcoder> where fou can install it then
[15:50] < blindcoder> s/fou/you/
[15:51] < bfinch|away> ah
[15:51] < bfinch|away> um....
[15:52] < blindcoder> dependancies are relosved during a 'reference build' and stored in the packages' .cache files
[15:52] < bfinch|away> is EACH package then a tarball or gem ?
[15:52] < blindcoder> yes it is.
[15:52] < bfinch|away> ah
[15:52] < bfinch|away> k
[15:52] < bfinch|away> what is a gem?
[15:52] < blindcoder> a gem is a package format. it includes the .tar.bz2 and some other metadata such as package category
[15:52] < bfinch|away> how are dependancies resolved...that isn;t clear to me
[15:53] < bfinch|away> ah
[15:53] < bfinch|away> k on gem
[15:53] < blindcoder> hmm... I haven't looked into that code myself.... but they are stored in the .cache files. during the build-process the packages are compiled by priority, so usually there shouldn't be any problem...
[15:54] < bfinch|away> where is priority defined ?
[15:54] < blindcoder> all this is on 1.7/2.0 and there is still a lot of work to do on deps with installing the packages
[15:54] < bfinch|away> and who(m) does that?
[15:54] < blindcoder> priority is in the .desc files and (curently) made by hand
[15:55] < bfinch|away> k
[15:55] < bfinch|away> so you define the depenadacies by hand....
[15:56] < bfinch|away> so what is the "refernce build" you were alluding to?
[15:56] < blindcoder> no, these are resolved by a reference build
[15:56] < bfinch|away> so the priority is the build order then?
[15:56] < blindcoder> A reference build creates what can be seen here: https://www.rocklinux.org/packages/
[15:56] < blindcoder> yes, it is
[15:56] < bfinch|away> k
[15:57] < blindcoder> Compilation time, compilesdependencies and broken/not broken are checked in a refbuild
[15:57] < bfinch|away> how is a reference buidl different form any other build?
[15:57] < blindcoder> It takes a little more time and is usually only done by clifford :)
[15:58] < bfinch|away> hmmmm
[15:58] < bfinch|away> interesting
[15:58] < bfinch|away> k
[15:58] < blindcoder> a  'normal user' shouldn't usually have the need for a ref-build
[15:58] < bfinch|away> i think i understand now
[15:58] < bfinch|away> tu
[15:59] < bfinch|away> do "normal users" ever expected to compile anything?
[15:59] < blindcoder> sorry if I'm not clear enough, but english isn't my first language :)
[15:59] < bfinch|away> k
[15:59] < bfinch|away> you are doing fine
[15:59] < bfinch|away> i am getting this picture;
[15:59] < blindcoder> sure. the generic and bootdisk target and other things like that
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[15:59] < blindcoder> hi bluefire
[16:00] < bluefire> hiho
[16:00] < bfinch|away> first level (top level) is a refernce build , which creates and/or verifies the build data and meta-data about the compilation of sources...
[16:00] < blindcoder> yes
[16:01] < bfinch|away> second level is a working build (for lack of a better name) which is pre-definded build processes...all necessary metadata is included and is based on a "gem" package format
[16:01] < blindcoder> yes
[16:02] < blindcoder> well.. not based, but 'put into'
[16:02] < bfinch|away> thrid level is the working binary distro , created by eihter level one or two and the process of making a working cd to boot and transfer the binarys
[16:02] < bfinch|away> ah...so the 2nd level build creates the gem package..not the first level?
[16:02] < blindcoder> ekactly
[16:02] < bfinch|away> ah
[16:03] < blindcoder> you could compare gem to something like dep or rpm
[16:03] < bfinch|away> so level three must work from levle tqwo and not level one
[16:03] < blindcoder> deb, not dep
[16:03] < bfinch|away> yeah
[16:03] < bfinch|away> o.k.
[16:03] < bfinch|away> hmmmm
[16:03] < blindcoder> right.
[16:03] < bfinch|away> interesting
[16:03] < bfinch|away> well sorcerer allows the user to create whatever on the fly
[16:03] < bfinch|away> what amounts to level one and two are combined
[16:03] < bfinch|away> and there is no level 3
[16:04] < blindcoder> you can do that too
[16:04] < bfinch|away> and (as i mentioned earlier) it is self-healing
[16:04] < blindcoder> cd /usr/src/rock-src
[16:04] < bfinch|away> k
[16:04] < blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg nethack
[16:04] < blindcoder> for example
[16:04] < bfinch|away> k
[16:04] < bfinch|away> is this well documented....?
[16:04] < blindcoder> then the package gets built into the runnung system
[16:05] < bfinch|away> cuase i didn;t get this at all with a 10 minute looksee
[16:05] < bfinch|away> k on scripts
[16:05] < bfinch|away> tu
[16:05] < blindcoder> hmm... ./scripts/Help should be your friend as well as documentation/BUILD
[16:05] < bfinch|away> thanxs for answering my questions
[16:05] < blindcoder> no problem :)
[16:05] < bfinch|away> well.....
[16:06] < bfinch|away> the point is , you have given me much more info than i would have found at the various rock websites in many hours of poking about
[16:06] < bfinch|away> so i really appreciate it
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[16:07] < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should write an article for Ralling Rock #2 :)
[16:07] < bfinch|away> so the refernce build is more for verifying a package-build instruction set?
[16:07] < bfinch|away> or something else?
[16:08] < blindcoder> yes, you could say so. It marks packages as broken/okay, resolves deps and some other fancy stuff.
[16:08] < bfinch|away> someone needs to make it clear what is going on....
[16:08] < bfinch|away> IMHO
[16:08] < bfinch|away> at sorcerer we just declare a dependancy
[16:08] < bfinch|away> and we can use any package as a dependancy resolution
[16:09] < bfinch|away> (variable dependancy)
[16:09] < bfinch|away> the dependancy is declatred in the info
[16:09] < bfinch|away> and the ordering is automatic
[16:09] < blindcoder> hmm compile-dependancy usually doesn't change that often and there's currently no runtime-dep-checking if I'm not mistaken
[16:09] < bfinch|away> k
[16:10] < bfinch|away> tu again
[16:10] < blindcoder> np again :)
[16:11] < bfinch|away> the idea is that the SA knows what he wants....and if he wants to change anything...that is fine....the idea is the commands that perform the work shoudl also do the build-ordering for you
[16:11] < bfinch|away> sot he commands are;
[16:12] < bfinch|away> cast (build), dispel (downgrade or remove) , heal (verify and (if needed do the repair(s)), and augur (to look, discover, and manage)
[16:12] < blindcoder> if I read a discussion that currently takes place at the RL-Mailinglist exactly this thing is done when doing a cluster build... why it is not for a 'normal' build,  don't know right now
[16:12] < bfinch|away> k
[16:14] < bfinch|away> all of the "metadata" that is related to defining the package is stored as file(s) in a grimoire ("spell book")
[16:14] < bfinch|away> and metadata related to the install is stored in a log area as flat files...
[16:15] < bfinch|away> it is really just that simple
[16:15] < bfinch|away> i think you guys need to define stuff on your web site as simply
[16:15] < bfinch|away> i think it could help
[16:16] < blindcoder> hmm... I think it already is that simple here, too. Just a little... underdocumented :)
[16:16] < bfinch|away> the documentation was/is a kludge IMHO
[16:16] < bfinch|away> ours stinks
[16:16] < bfinch|away> but it is to the point
[16:16] < bfinch|away> yours meanders
[16:17] < bfinch|away> i am bored long before i get to the point
[16:17] < bfinch|away> point first
[16:17] < bfinch|away> mechanism second
[16:17] < bfinch|away> should be the way it is written
[16:17] < bfinch|away> IMHO
[16:18] < blindcoder> haven't had much look on 'user'-documentation. I usually read the code if I need to find something out
[16:18] < bfinch|away> it is also all over the place..leterally and fiquratively
[16:18] < blindcoder> so I can't really say anything about the docs
[16:18] < bfinch|away> what attracted you to rock in the first place?
[16:19] < blindcoder> the fact that I did't like SuSE anymore and that debian fscked its packages up more often than not
[16:19] < bfinch|away> and how did you find it
[16:19] < blindcoder> two friends of mine pointed me to ROCK then and I had a better look at it on the 18C3 in Berlin
[16:19] < bfinch|away> ah
[16:19] < bfinch|away> firends
[16:19] < bfinch|away> o.k.
[16:19] < bfinch|away> !!!
[16:20] < blindcoder> after that I poked around with it a bit, wrote a package or two and my patches were applied mostly. So I was happy :)
[16:21] < blindcoder> I alssso like the fact that it doesn't try to hide most of the system from you like most 'big' distros do
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[16:25] < bfinch|away> k
[16:25] < bfinch|away> well i like the fact that is just some scripting
[16:25] < bfinch|away> as is sorcerer
[16:25] < bfinch|away> which is cool
[16:25] < bfinch|away> gentoo is a mess and the coding is "effectively" hidden (at least that is the way i see it)
[16:26] < bfinch|away> and i agree about trying to keep things not hidden
[16:28] < blindcoder> I had a look at gentoo with esden
[16:28] < blindcoder> We absolutely didn't like that it wanted to install XFree when we wanted to install nethack or vim
[16:29] < blindcoder> and search through its docs and website revealed nothing whereas a mail to its mailinglist brought some... interesting results:
[16:30] < blindcoder> Answer #1: just export Variable IDONTREMEMBERTHENAME to "-X"
[16:30] < blindcoder> (didn't work)
[16:30] < blindcoder> Answer #2: "It's possible but I don't know how"
[16:30] < blindcoder> Answer #3: "It's not possible"
[16:31] < blindcoder> unfortunately this is no joke
[16:32] < owl> blindcoder: still working? huh?
[16:32] < blindcoder> owl: do you have hannes' phone number?
[16:32] < owl> blindcoder: yes. moment
[16:34] < bfinch|away> blindcoder: yeah i hear alot fo stuff like that
[16:34] < bfinch|away> well time to go
[16:34] < blindcoder> okay bye! and have fun :)
[16:34] < bfinch|away> thanka you again for your time and graciously putting up with my questions and observations
[16:34] < bfinch|away> you too
[16:35] < bfinch|away> very best reagards
[16:35] < blindcoder> oh I will. Time to go home in 30 minutes
[16:35] < owl> bye blindcoder. have fun, too
[16:35] < blindcoder> owl: I'm not leaving (yet)
[16:36] < owl> haeh?
[16:40] < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I should that customer...
[16:40] < blindcoder> should call that
[16:42] < owl> haeh? which one?
[16:42] < blindcoder> the one who wants to have lynx installed
[16:43] < blindcoder> I would have to tell him that he won't have it until Monday cause I've been too lazy to call the Serverteam
[16:43] < blindcoder> nah... if it bothers him, I'm sure he'll call again :D
[16:44] < owl> hm.
[16:44] < blindcoder> okay I'm cleaning up now and leaving then
[16:44] < blindcoder> bye bye!
[16:45] < owl> bye. have fun.
[16:56] < snyke> hm
[16:59] < owl> hi snyke
[17:10] < zer0_o^> 0wn3ge + kn0wlege = owl-ege
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[17:20] < raffi> hhi
[17:24] < owl> hi raffi
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[18:36] < raffi> hi owl
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[18:48] < Lorini> hi everybody
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[18:50] < owl> re
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[18:51] < Lorini> re owl
[18:51] < tcr> hi 3v1l r00t
[18:51] < owl> hi Lorini, tcr, cpepe
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[18:58] < owl> *lol*
[18:59] < Lorini> huch?
[18:59] < owl> Lorini: ?
[19:00] < Lorini> kicken weil er als root da is?
[19:00] < owl> Lorini: sicher.
[19:00] < th_> ack
[19:00] < SMP> wegen offensichtlicher Daemlichkeit
[19:01] < owl> th_: hi
[19:01] < blindcoder> being wrong about people would be nice nometimes
[19:01] < th_> huhu owl
[19:01] < blindcoder> hi all
[19:02] < owl> hi blindcoder
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[20:27] < owl> damn. i go to bed. gn8
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[21:21] < owl> *grml*
[21:21] < owl> re
[21:25] < blindcoder> schlaflos?
[21:25] < SMP> can't sleep?
[21:26] < owl> yep. that's horrible :-(
[21:26] < blindcoder> I know that feeling...
[21:26] < blindcoder> You could try some reading
[21:26] < owl> blindcoder: hm. why?
[21:27] < SMP> . o O ( maybe owl's just missing a hug? )
[21:27] < raffi> lol
[21:27] < owl> SMP: *lol* not really.
[21:27] < blindcoder> and I mean a book. Not a manual. Something like Discworld
[21:27] < Lorini> owl: think about something that you love
[21:28] < owl> blindcoder: i tried reading, listening to music. and so on. i know that _one_ thing could help. but i don't wanna take those fscking pills anymore.
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[21:28] < blindcoder> that would be her Laptop :)
[21:28] < owl> Lorini: ancoras? oh yeah ;)
[21:28] < owl> blindcoder: full ack :)
[21:28] < SMP> Lorini: oh I think she has her Laptop right under her pillow ;>
[21:28] < blindcoder> One ancoras jumps over the fence. Two ancoras jump over the fence.
[21:28] < owl> SMP: i have no pillow anymore. my notebook = my pillow ;)
[21:28] < Lorini> *g*
[21:29] < owl> blindcoder: eh, that's not fair ;P
[21:29]   blindcoder can't sleep either, so he watches Nadesico :)
[21:29] < blindcoder> And finally I know where "Naze Nani MegaTokyo" came from :)
[21:29] < owl> blindcoder: hehe ;) welcome in the club of sleepless people. who else wants to join? ;)
[21:29] < owl> na, was-fuer-ein-ding?
[21:29] < SMP> . o O ( One 1.5.20 ISO down the line, two 1.5.20 ISOs down the line, ... )
[21:30] < owl> *g*
[21:30] < blindcoder> owl: an episode of Megatokyo titled "Naze nani Megatokyo" (haw ond why of MegaTokyo"
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[21:30] < owl> uff. k.
[21:30] < Lorini> where is cap btw?
[21:30]   blindcoder letting up the mixers again
[21:31] < blindcoder> Lorini: I thought _you_ should know?!
[21:31]   Freak killing you softly with this song Helge Schneider - Magiuhana is nit gutta
[21:31] < Lorini> blindcoder: mhm. i just wondered why he isnt in here
[21:31]   blindcoder drowning Freak in Sulfuracid
[21:31] < Freak> hehe
[21:32] < Freak> *melting*
[21:32] < blindcoder> Lorini: I see
[21:33]   blindcoder searching Naze Nani MegaTokyo
[21:33] < owl> Lorini: hm. don't you have his mobile phone nr.? ;)
[21:33]   owl tries to destroy her headache with: in strict confidence - learn to live
[21:34] < Lorini> owl: yes of course. he is online.. but not in _here_ and that after he wanted me to come here :)
[21:34]   blindcoder listening to Hunz - Broken Wings ("You've come a long way to die tonight")
[21:34] < owl> Lorini: hm. why do you complain, if you see, that he's online? (in icq or something like that?) ;)
[21:35] < Lorini> owl: im not complaining.. just wondering
[21:35] < owl> ah so
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[21:36] < blindcoder> here is one: https://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=220
[21:36] < blindcoder> and it's derived from "Naze Nani Nadesico": Martian Successor Nadesico Episode 13
[21:37] < blindcoder> Lorini: think positive! There are people who've lost almost any reason to came here
[21:39]   Lorini thinking positive
[21:40] < praenti> hi
[21:41] < praenti> blindcoder: can you help me with creating a 1.7 iso?
[21:41] < blindcoder> praenti: what's the problem?
[21:41] < praenti> what i have to type after build-target has finished. documentation says that this is not implemented yet
[21:42] < owl> hi praenti
[21:42] < owl> Lorini: optimistin?
[21:42] < blindcoder> have you built a bootdisk-target as well?
[21:42] < blindcoder> ./scripts/Config -cfg bootdisk
[21:43] < praenti> how do i do that?
[21:43] < blindcoder> Then Target 'bootdisk'
[21:43] < Lorini> owl: nein, ich tu nur so
[21:43] < blindcoder> then ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg bootdisk
[21:44] < owl> Lorini: gut so. pessimisten leben laenger ;)
[21:45] < blindcoder> and then you can do: ./scripts/Create-ISO -size 700 my_cd_set bootdisk whateveryourotherconfigiscalled
[21:45] < praenti> ok. now i'm waiting. how do i continue then?
[21:45] < praenti> ok
[21:45] < praenti> thx
[21:45] < blindcoder> then you'll have a nice set of easy-to-burn isos
[21:45] < blindcoder> btw: installation as follows:
[21:46] < blindcoder> partitioning mounting etc,  and then `mine -i -v -root /mnt/target /mnt/source/blablabla/*.gem` repeat as necessary for each CD
[21:47] < Lorini> owl: genau so ist es. wobei ich ein "länger" durch ein "besser" ersetzen würde
[21:48] < owl> Lorini: nack. imho laenger... laenger und gequaelter oder so
[21:48] < blindcoder> Lorini: Optimist sein ist schwierig
[21:49] < Lorini> owl: pessimisten bringen sich eher um
[21:49] < rolla> vim
[21:49] < Lorini> blindcoder: naja.. wie mans nimmt
[21:49] < rolla> damn wrong window
[21:50] < owl> Lorini: ... oder vegetieren jahrelang vor sich hin. und da sie immer pech haben, sterben sie dann eh erst in einem hohen alter...
[21:51] < Lorini> owl: pessimisten haben aber nicht immer pech.. sie denken nur sie haben immer pech
[21:52] < blindcoder> hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they are _NOT_ after me!
[21:52] < Lorini> lol
[21:52] < owl> Lorini: *gruebel* wirklich? ich kann mich an nichts positives mehr erinnern...
[21:53] < Lorini> owl: ja.. aber das bedeutet ja nicht, dass da nichts war. an manches erinnert man sich eben net
[21:54]   blindcoder erinnert sich an die letzten zwei Jahre... und springt ausm Fenster...
[21:54] < blindcoder> _VERDAMMT_!
[21:54] < blindcoder> Erdgeschoss :)
[21:55] < Lorini> *g* tja.. leute ohne grips habens schwer
[21:55]   blindcoder <--- Baaakaaa!
[21:56]   SMP goes to bed (and will sleep like a baby ;p)
[21:56] < owl> SMP: gute nacht. bye.
[21:56] < blindcoder> night SMP!
[21:57] < rolla> b4k4
[21:57] < blindcoder> haaai!
[21:57] < rolla> l33t
[21:57] < rolla> b33r
[21:57] < blindcoder> Capture the b34r!
[21:57] < rolla> f4@r
[21:57] < owl> hi rolla
[21:58] < blindcoder> ph34r m4 l33t n3kkid sk1llz!
[21:58] < owl> oh god. what's wrong today? i read "beer" so often...
[21:58] < blindcoder> got root (beer)?
[21:58] < rolla> :)
[21:58] < rolla> too much mega tokyo
[21:58] < owl> too much anime
[21:59] < blindcoder> rolla: yes... and I finally found out where "Naze Nani Megatokyo" came from :)
[21:59] < owl> now just the word "w33d" is missing ;P
[21:59] < blindcoder> m00t!
[21:59] < blindcoder> w00t!
[21:59] < owl> tstststst.
[22:02] < rolla> owl never
[22:03] < blindcoder> rolla: can there be such a thing as 'too much anime"?
[22:03] < owl> rolla: why not? ;)
[22:03] < blindcoder> owl: this clearly states that you don't know what Anime is :3
[22:04] < owl> blindcoder: bllllllllllll ;PPPP
[22:04]   blindcoder pulling owl tongue out and letting it snatch back
[22:04] < owl> ts. boeser blindcoder ;P
[22:05]   blindcoder <-- 3v1l l33t
[22:06] < blindcoder> owl: don't FAOK
[22:06] < owl> faok?
[22:06] < rolla> nope
[22:06] < owl> huh?
[22:06] < rolla> w33d :(
[22:07] < blindcoder> _f_ allen _a_ sleep _o_ ver _k_ eyboard
[22:07] < rolla> and there can never be to much Anime :)
[22:07] < owl> blindcoder: i won't
[22:07] < blindcoder> rolla: You'll never find such cute girls in Real Life, that's the sad thing >_<
[22:08] < rolla> true. But my wife is plenty cute for me :)
[22:08] < blindcoder> *pure* *envy*
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[22:13]   blindcoder going to bed, dreaming of a better life
[22:13] < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai, mina-san!!
[22:13] < Lorini> hm
[22:13] < Lorini> heißt das gute nacht?
[22:14] < blindcoder> ja :)
[22:14] < Lorini> *g*
[22:14] < Lorini> nacht du
[22:14] < blindcoder> "oyasumi nasai" = Gute Nacht
[22:14] < blindcoder> "Mina" = Alle, Jeder
[22:14] < Lorini> jepp.. sagt ein freund auch immer..
[22:14] < Lorini> daher kannte ichs :)
[22:14] < blindcoder> "-san" = 'foermliche' Nachsilbe :)
[22:14] < blindcoder> gute nacht *winke*\
[22:15] < Lorini> nacht :)
[22:15] < owl> gute nacht blindcoder
[22:17] < raffi> bye
[22:21] < owl> I HATE THOSE FSCKING PARENTS!!!!!!! *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:22] < raffi> what's wrong with them?
[22:23] < owl> they want to force me to sleep. but i can't sleep right now! damn! i hate them!
[22:23] < owl> "oh girl, you're soooooooooo ill. you HAVE TO SLEEP"
[22:23] < raffi> :-)
[22:23] < raffi> how old are you?
[22:24] < owl> and they're screeming 24 hours/day, 7 days/week, 365 days/year
[22:24] < owl> 18
[22:24] < raffi> i c
[22:24] < owl> i hate them, and they hate me!
[22:24] < owl> they should have bought a dog instead of "made" a person
[22:24] < owl> *argh*'
[22:25] < Lorini> owl: kannste nicht ausziehen?
[22:25] < owl> Lorini: nein. noch nicht. wenn das so weitergeht, dann werde ich wohl - aehm - massnahmen ergreifen... aber des geht fruehstens nach dem urlaub (--> irgendwann im juli)
[22:26] < Lorini> owl: also mein verhältnis zu meiner mutter wurde schlagartig besser als ich ausgezogen bin
[22:27] < owl> hm. aber als azubi kannste des ned wirklich. vor allem ned, wenn du schon alle ca. 160 euro fuer bahn-karte brauchst
[22:27] < owl> und 'ne wohnung in muenchen... oh mann... des kann man vergessen...
[22:27] < Lorini> oh münchen
[22:27] < Lorini> ja.. dann ja
[22:27] < owl> (ausserdem waere dann noch die schule in ingolstadt ... usw.)
[22:28] < Lorini> ja. naja studentenwohnheim ist halt doch praktisch
[22:28] < owl> ja. das glaube ich dir gerne
[22:28] < Lorini> is aber extrem klein :)
[22:29] < owl> aber des ist echt zum kotzen! wegen diesen idioten habe ich SVV und depressionen! danke vielmals - ich HASSE SIE!!!
[22:30] < owl> lieber eine besenkammer und freiheit, als eingsperrt und mit diesen _eltern_ unter einem dach wohnen
[22:30] < Lorini> hmm. naja.. ich weiß nicht ob man das so sagen kann "wegen denen"..
[22:30] < owl> Lorini: wie denn dann?
[22:30] < Lorini> mag ja durchaus sein, dass sie dazu beitragen. aber verantwortlich für dein leben bist immer noch du
[22:30] < Lorini> finde ich
[22:36]   owl plays loud: slipknot - my plague && slipknot - people = shit!
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[22:48] < th_> ist das normal, dass man beim openoffice nicht mal ne rechtschreib-pruefung zum laufen kriegt?
[22:53] < raffi> ist es normal dass man openoffice zum laufen kriegt?
[22:53] < raffi> bei mir geht bzw kriecht es
[22:53] < raffi> :-)
[22:59] < owl> gn8 everyone
[22:59] < rolla> nacht
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[23:33] < snyke> weiss einer von euch was besser is für web-einsätze: php/perl?
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