-!- Irrsi Log opened Mon Dec 30 00:00:26 2002
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[00:10] < th> re
[00:23] < tsa> re th
[00:24] < tsa> immer noch im hackcenter?
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[00:28] < sjefen> hello
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[02:07] < huebi> Moin
[02:09] < tsa> hi huebi
[02:09] < tsa> wie schauts aus in berlin?
[02:10] < huebi> tsa: hi
[02:10] < huebi> tsa: SO LANGSAM WIRD LEER... Caps Lock geht auch noch.
[02:10] < tsa> hehe
[02:23] < th> huebi: hi
[02:23] < th> huebi: wagst du dich auch endlich mal ins irc?
[02:24] < th> huebi: hey, ich kann dein /rock-orig immernoch mounten ;)
[02:24] < th> cd ..
[02:24] < th> oups
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[02:26] < format_c> hello
[02:26] < format_c> i am considering installing rock on my hdd and i was wondering what advantages does rock have compared to other source based linux distros like sorcerer or gentoo ?
[02:27] < th> i see
[02:29] < format_c> hello >
[02:29] < th> hello format_c
[02:30] < format_c> i am considering installing rock on my hdd and i was wondering what advantages does rock have compared to other source based linux distros like sorcerer or gentoo ?
[02:30] < th> i see, you said that already
[02:30] < format_c> yeah like no one answered ;)
[02:30] < th> you did not ask a question
[02:31] < th> you just said that you are wondering and appended a question mark
[02:31] < format_c> th: what are the advantages of rock compared to other source based distros like gentoo or sorcerer ?
[02:31] < th> it's cooler.
[02:32] < th> i don't know sorcerer at all.
[02:32] < format_c> th: what does 'cooler' mean ?
[02:32] < th> can't tell you cause i won't compare rock too gentoo and don't know sorcerer.
[02:32] < format_c> ok then tell me some of rock's featureS ?
[02:33] < th> i wont compare because i don't know gentoo enough to be able to give a fair comparison
[02:33] < th> it is very pure
[02:33] < format_c> man you are being cryptic
[02:33] < th> so there is no rc.config
[02:33] < format_c> pure ??
[02:33] < th> you are doing your changes where they belong
[02:33] < format_c> okay like this
[02:34] < th> if you change a nameserver you wont edit rc.config but /etc/resolv.conf
[02:34] < format_c> does it download diff ?
[02:34] < th> "download diff"?
[02:34] < th> i don't know what you mean by downloading "diff"
[02:34] < format_c> diff instead of the whole source
[02:34] < th> which source?
[02:34] < th> souce of packages?
[02:34] < format_c> okay say now
[02:35] < format_c> a package kde-3.0.2 has been upgraded to kde-3.0.3
[02:35] < th> ahh
[02:35] < th> i see
[02:35] < th> no it doesn't
[02:35] < format_c> does it have to download the whole source or just the diff
[02:35] < format_c> ?
[02:35] < th> do you know of any distri that does?
[02:35] < th> it'll download the whole source
[02:35] < format_c> th: sorcerer has something called xdelta
[02:35] < format_c> just the diff
[02:35] < th> maintenance effort would be too high
[02:35] < th> oh now.
[02:35] < th> xdelta is to compare binaries
[02:36] < format_c> sorry
[02:36] < format_c> i am newbie
[02:36] < th> not sources
[02:36] < format_c> but from what i gather i just downs my download time
[02:36] < format_c> nvm bout that
[02:36] < format_c> ummmm ...
[02:36] < format_c> is rock running gcc-3.2.1 now ?
[02:37] < th> i don't know what rock-1.7 is doing (i really think they are running gcc-3.2.1 or later) but 1.5 does not
[02:37] < format_c> how can i get an iso of rock-1.7 ?
[02:38] < th> build it from source.
[02:39] < format_c> does this build script build the iso or the whole system ?
[02:39] < th> which build script are you talking about?
[02:40] < format_c> https://www2.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
[02:40] < th> but by "building a iso from source" i mean building each package from source and creating an iso
[02:40] < format_c> how is that done ?
[02:41] < th> i don't know this for 1.7
[02:41] < th> i'm a stabelizer guy for 1.5-dev-tree which is currently at 1.6.0pre3 and has iso's published very soon
[02:42] < th> with very soon being at most 30 hours i think
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[03:30] < huebi> th: Ping
[03:30] < th> huebi: ack
[03:30] < huebi> th: SMP hat wohl deine OpenBSD Poster mitgenommen...
[03:30] < th> huebi: der schelm.
[03:31] < huebi> *g*
[03:31] < th> huebi: ich hatte ja keins. nur hergo (mensch mit libretto) wollte ja das eine
[03:32] < huebi> th: weisst du, wie man SunOS 5.6 mit dem telnet exploit exploitet?
[03:32] < th> noe wuerde hoechstens noch den vom irix finden
[03:32] < th> evtl.
[03:41] < th> huebi: was macht der iso upload?
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[04:01] < fake> aaaargh
[04:01] < fake> they are unplugging usin the next few minutes...
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[12:36] < martin_> hi
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[12:51] < blindcoder> hi
[12:52] < blindcoder> 12:52 2002-12-30: --- current status ---
[12:52] < blindcoder> Build-Job (daemon mode) running on 192.168.10.10 with PID 35
[12:52] < blindcoder> Build-Job (daemon mode) running on 192.168.10.11 with PID 61
[12:52] < blindcoder> Build-Job (daemon mode) running on 192.168.10.12 with PID 34
[12:52] < blindcoder> Job 0-glibc 192.168.10.13 (34) since 12:38 2000-12-26
[12:52] < blindcoder> 12:52 2002-12-30: ----------------------
[12:52] < blindcoder> glibc building for 24 hours now and still working
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[14:28] < rolla> re all
[14:29] < tcr> hi rolla
[14:29] < rolla> wow work again ;)
[14:29] < tcr> hm?
[14:31] < rolla> I have been on holliday for a week :)
[14:31] < tcr> ah
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[14:57] < th> moin
[14:59] < rolla> hallo th
[15:03] < th> hi rolla
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[15:52] < Mike1> moin
[15:53] < rolla> re Mike1
[15:54] < Mike1> Joel!
[15:54] < Mike1> nice to see you my friend
[15:54] < rolla> I am back from holliday :)
[15:55] < Mike1> merry xmast
[15:55] < Mike1> hope hollidays were fine
[15:56] < rolla> :)
[15:56] < rolla> they were
[15:58] < Mike1> good
[16:13] < [anders]> merry xmas belatedly everyone and happy new year in advance. :)
[16:27] < Mike1> master [anders] same to you
[17:02] < rolla> sure is quiet in here
[17:04] < Mike1> everyone drunk?
[17:05] < Mike1> *g
[17:16] < rolla> :)
[17:16] rolla goes back to learning css
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[18:07] < owl> moin
[18:07] < rolla> re owl
[18:07] rolla hugs owl
[18:07] < owl> hi rolla
[18:07] < rolla> merry christmas
[18:07] < owl> rolla: thx. to you too.
[18:09] < Mike1> hi sed
[18:09] < owl> hi Mike1
[18:28] Mike1 stares deeply into owls eyes
[18:29] < owl> huch?
[18:36] < Mike1> %)
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[18:38] < owl_> *grmpf*
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[18:40] < Mike1> wb owl
[18:40] Mike1 stares deeply into owls eyes (again)
[18:55] < owl> <-- bed. now. gn8
[18:55] < owl> bbl
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[19:49] < owl> re
[19:51] < Mike1> owly already sleep?
[19:52] < owl> hm. tried hard to sleep. but... as robert mentioned on sunday morning: "if you hard try to sleep, you surely can't sleep" *hrhr*
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[20:14] < tcr> hi Mike1 and owl
[20:14] < tcr> and hi zer0_o
[20:14] < Mike1> 0_o
[20:15] < Mike1> hi tcr
[20:15] < owl> hi zer0_o, tcr
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[21:14] < th> re
[21:14] < th> hi owl
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[21:15] < owl> moin th
[21:16] < tcr> hi th. anything new from your side?
[21:22] < th> tcr: well. no. we did release pre3 but still no pre4
[21:22] < th> tcr: and pre3 still uses old Build-scripts
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[21:36] < zer0_o> hi owl honey
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[22:34] < ak|ra> heya
[22:34] < ak|ra> new day, new problems
[22:34] < ak|ra> :)
[22:35] < ak|ra> got a new hdd (in fact now hda) and copied (-a) everything from my old disks to this new and fat one
[22:35] < ak|ra> installed grub correctly
[22:36] < ak|ra> rebooted and it works .. grub works ...
[22:36] < ak|ra> choosed the kernel in /boot -> in fact kernel (hd0,0)/kernel root=/dev/hda2 vga=ext
[22:36] < tcr> moin
[22:36] < ak|ra> and booted the system ...
[22:36] < ak|ra> hallo tcr
[22:37] < tcr> and does it work?
[22:37] < ak|ra> kernel boots ... till he stops with kernel panic
[22:37] < Mike1> ak|ra: chroot on it and edit /etc/fstab
[22:38] < ak|ra> "couldnt open .. /inittab i guess)
[22:38] < ak|ra> /etc/fstab seems to be ok, but i will check this again
[22:38] < ak|ra> Mike1: besides, the big other disk works in the asus board now
[22:38] < Mike1> ok
[22:38] < ak|ra> if you remember the append / boottime problem ...
[22:39] < Mike1> yes i remember
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[22:39] < tsa> moin.
[22:39] < Mike1> hi tsa
[22:39] < tsa> hi Mike1
[22:39] < ak|ra> the damn kernel wanted to have explicit chs parameters for hdc
[22:40] < ak|ra> so, back to the current problem
[22:41] < ak|ra> the fstab is fine
[22:41] < ak|ra> adjustit before installing grub either
[22:41] < ak|ra> -> /dev/hda2
[22:41] < ak|ra> type ext3
[22:41] < ak|ra> noatime 0 0
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[22:41] < ak|ra> hda1 -> boot
[22:41] < neddiemaster> hello all
[22:42] < neddiemaster> hi tcr
[22:42] < ak|ra> hda6 -> /usr
[22:42] < ak|ra> ok, one thing i havent copied ... /dev
[22:43] < ak|ra> its absolutly empty coz i use devfs
[22:43] < tcr> what you actually doesnt need
[22:43] < tcr> hi neddiemaster
[22:43] < ak|ra> tcr: thats what i thought too
[22:43] < neddiemaster> sup tcr
[22:44] < ak|ra> so, what other things could be wrong?
[22:44] < ak|ra> the kernel is the same that works before
[22:46] < neddiemaster> i like this channel because it has low-shit content, and that is to be considered a MAJOR compliment ,,,
[22:46] < neddiemaster> it is good for my cholesterol.
[22:49] < ak|ra> so, perhaps could shortly explain me the way linux boots .. just to be sure i didnt forget something
[22:49] ak|ra s brain is like a swiss cheese :)
[22:50] < tcr> re
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[22:50] < ak|ra> 1. kernel boots
[22:50] < tcr> ak|ra: did it complain about missing /sbin/init or missing /etc/inittab ?
[22:50] < ak|ra> init i think
[22:51] < ak|ra> 2. it mounts ro the root-partition and starts /sbin/init
[22:51] < ak|ra> right?
[22:52] < tcr> did you pass the right root device to the kernel?
[22:52] < ak|ra> i think so
[22:52] < ak|ra> lets take a look into the menu.lst
[22:54] < tcr> you know this has to be done in some special way when using devfs?
[22:55] < tcr> for instance i have append="root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1" in my lilo.conf
[22:56] < ak|ra> right
[22:57] < tcr> right == you are aware of it?
[22:57] < ak|ra> but only if you dont have mknewcompat on or so
[22:57] < tcr> nah. that's bullshit
[22:58] < ak|ra> or am i wrong .. i mean .. this /dev/ide etc was the next thing i had tried
[22:58] < tcr> mkoldcompat is an offering by devfsd a userspace process
[22:58] < tcr> again: you are aware of this, and the problem does _not_ lay here?
[22:58] < ak|ra> tcr: the things worked until now without /dev/ide etc .. but i will give it a try .. as i said, this would be the next thing what came in my mind
[23:01] < ak|ra> so, ok, lets try it :)
[23:01] < ak|ra> bye for some minutes
[23:02] < ak|ra> if it works i am thinking about kissing you to death :))
[23:02] < ak|ra> hehe
[23:02] < ak|ra> ok, off for some minutes
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[23:08] < snyke> esden!?
[23:09] < zer0_o> kann owl jemand tolles neues jahr wünschen von mir ?
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[23:09] < ak|ra> back
[23:09] < ak|ra> doesnt work
[23:09] < ak|ra> correct error mesage is: unable to open an initial console
[23:10] < tcr> what have you done?
[23:11] < tsa> wrong root partition?
[23:11] < tsa> kernel without support for virtual terminals?
[23:11] < tsa> no /dev/vc/X ?
[23:12] < tsa> x in 1..
[23:12] < snyke> zer0_o: memoserv is "dein freund" :)
[23:12] < Mike1> owl liebes 0_o ?
[23:12] < tsa> Mike1: hm?
[23:12] < Mike1> owl liebes zer0_o ?
[23:12] < th> ak|ra: sounds like missing virtual console support in kernel
[23:12] < ak|ra> the kernel should be my old 2.4.20 with devfs at boottime, ext3 compiled in, virtual consoles on etc
[23:12] < Mike1> tsa: solo tengo ganas de molestar :)
[23:13] < ak|ra> th: maybe .. i will check this again
[23:13] < tsa> Mike1: ah, ya comprendo
[23:13] < ak|ra> ak|ra: weisst doch wie das so is mit mir ...
[23:13] < ak|ra> th: weisst doch wie das so is mit mir ...
[23:13] < ak|ra> man
[23:13] < ak|ra> geht schon los
[23:13] < ak|ra> :)
[23:13] < tsa> LANG=en, please.
[23:14] < th> ack
[23:14] < ak|ra> tsa: of coz, but that was something about myself to th ...
[23:14] < th> ,oO(BOF)
[23:14] < ak|ra> :)
[23:15] < tsa> th: ack - whatever BOF's supposed to mean..
[23:15] < tsa> i knew this acronym..long ago
[23:16] < tcr> Birds Of a Feather
[23:16] < th> in fact i don't know it either
[23:16] < tsa> hehe
[23:16] < th> but it was the meeting's name
[23:16] < th> Beginning Of File
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[23:16] < th> Bug or Feature
[23:16] < ak|ra> ok, i build the kernel now... perhaps it was just a forgotten kernel from somewhere .. (but i dont really believe in this) .. but i will give it a try
[23:17] < ak|ra> th: :)
[23:17] < tcr> no, it's Birds Of a Feather... read that once in relation with USENIX
[23:17] < ak|ra> its always the bug :)
[23:17] < zer0_o> kann owl jemand tolles neues jahr wünschen von mir ?
[23:17] < tsa> rocklinux is not a massging service..
[23:17] < tsa> messaging even
[23:17] < th> massaging ;)
[23:17] < ak|ra> tsa: not _yet_
[23:18] < ak|ra> th: exactly
[23:18] < tcr> zer0_o: /msg memoserv help
[23:18] < zer0_o> tcr thx
[23:19] < tcr> https://www.mavav.org/ <- ROFLMAO
[23:23] < zer0_o> OMG !!!!!
[23:27] < ak|ra> tcr: never forget to put devfs to "mount at boottime" ...
[23:27] ak|ra looks for his stone ...
[23:27] < Mike1> ak|ra: you lost ur stone?
[23:27] < Mike1> lol
[23:27] < ak|ra> Mike1: nope, the stone is for stoning me to stone
[23:27] < ak|ra> stone?
[23:27] < ak|ra> :)
[23:28] < Mike1> *g
[23:28] < ak|ra> bis gleich later dann
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[23:35] < ak|ra> everything is fine
[23:35] < tsa> what did you change, then?
[23:36] < ak|ra> now i will use my stone and hand it to who ever wants me to stone me to stone :)
[23:36] < ak|ra> root=... devfs=mount
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-!- Irrsi Log closed Tue Dec 31 00:00:44 2002