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00:11 < daja77> re
00:13 < daja77> rxr, somebody else alive?
00:14 < A-Tui> hi all
00:15 * elon nods
00:15 < daja77> hi A-Tui 
00:15 < daja77> hi elon :)
00:15 < A-Tui> hi daja77
00:16 * daja77 heard a talk about fedora project today ...
00:17 < daja77> they are screwed ^^
00:18 < A-Tui> have you know any good VHDL software for Linux?
00:19 < daja77> nope
00:19 * daja77 tried freehdl some years ago
00:19 < daja77> i did my vhdl stuff on solaris then
00:20 < A-Tui> i got freehdl yesterday
00:20 < A-Tui> i have it compiled
00:21 < A-Tui> and runs, but i don't like the enveironment to compile the .vhdl
00:21 < daja77> well as i said i did such stuff some years ago
00:21 < A-Tui> ok daja77 :)
00:22 < daja77> for my studies ...
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00:45 < daja77> gn8 you all
00:45 < A-Tui> bye
00:49 < mnemoc> bye
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03:01 < Mike1> moin.
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03:03 < A-Tui> hola Mike1
03:04 < A-Tui> Mike1: there was a hurd proyect on Rock true?
03:06 < Mike1> greetings Aitor.
03:07 < Mike1> nothing official..
03:07 < A-Tui> is there any to look?
03:08 < Mike1> A-Tui: it was something a friend from the hurd team and I were trying to get working, but didn't progress much for lack of time.
03:08 < Mike1> A-Tui: interested in ROCK hurd development?
03:08 < A-Tui> Mike1: yes
03:09 < A-Tui> i'm building some scripts to build hurd from my Linux box
03:09 < A-Tui> i built a crossgcc ready to compile
03:09 < A-Tui> but i have fails building hurd
03:10 < A-Tui> becouse of my gcc version (it doesn't support gnu99 std)
03:10 < A-Tui> i'm trying to fix it
03:11 < Mike1> mm.. interesting :), perhaps you would like to show what you have done so far
03:11 < A-Tui> Mike1: ok, now it's not ready
03:11 < Mike1> whenever you feel like letting me see it just drop me a mail :)
03:11 < A-Tui> in my machine compile the crossgcc, but in another i have problems buildind crossglibc
03:12 < A-Tui> Mike1: ok, tomorrow i will send you
03:12 < Mike1> mm.. maybe you have some errors to show me?
03:12 < A-Tui> and could help me
03:12 < Mike1> I'm quite tight on time, but i will find a way to help a bit :)
03:12 < A-Tui> Mike1: i will tell you the errors in the mail
03:13 < Mike1> ok.
03:13 < A-Tui> Mike1: thanks, i'm a little confusing about cross compilation
03:13 < A-Tui> how gcc gets the right paths
03:19 < A-Tui> time to bed, hasta mañana, buenas noches
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04:11 < martman_> anyone around, im getting a error from the Config script
04:12 < martman_> Creating configuration script ...
04:12 < martman_> Running ROCK Linux 2.0.0-rc3 configuration ...
04:12 < martman_> Config: line 104: Config: command not found
04:13 < Mike1> are you running commands from the scripts directory?
04:13 < martman_> hmmmmm, typing that from the main dir instead of the scripts one seems to have fixed it
04:14 < Mike1> you should not run script inside the scripts directory
04:14 < martman_> why is that?
04:14 < Mike1> all scripts are made to be run from the main directory
04:14 < martman_> o
04:14 < Mike1> ie ./scripts/Config :)
04:15 < Mike1> martman_: so problem solved?
04:15 < martman_> yup
04:16 < martman_> that did it
04:16 < martman_> thanks
04:16 < Mike1> no problem :)
04:16 < martman_> i might have this running in the morning!
04:17 < Mike1> what the build or the system?
04:17 < martman_> this build
04:17 < martman_> id like to make a really small livecd
04:17 < martman_> one to play at school with, one for a backup restore disk
04:18 < martman_> rock sounds like it will do a great job for it
04:18 < Mike1> yups indeed. :)
04:19 < martman_> think you can give me a estimate for a base system on a 3.06ghz?
04:19 < martman_> couple hours?
04:21 < Mike1> depends on the target and or package selection you use to build
04:21 < martman_> more problems :(
04:21 < martman_> [martin@localhost rock-src-2.0.0-rc1]$ ./scripts/Download -cfg system -required
04:21 < martman_> ./scripts/Download: line 733: config/system/packages: No such file or directory
04:21 < martman_> grep: config/system/config: No such file or directory
04:21 < martman_> [martin@localhost rock-src-2.0.0-rc1]$
04:22 < Mike1> when you run ./scripts/Config did you add the flag -cfg system or just run ./scriptsConfig alone?
04:23 < martman_> just ran Config
04:23 < Mike1> then don't use -cfg system :)
04:23 < martman_> o, the guide said so....
04:23 < Mike1> just run ./scripts/Donwload -required
04:23 < Mike1> Download*
04:24 < martman_> ok, thanks
04:24 < Mike1> sure it would be ok to use -cfg system _if_ you as well used -cfg system when you run Config :)
04:24 < martman_> o
04:24 < Mike1> nota that you will also have to build the install disks target, so when you do that do something like ./scripts/Config -cfg install
04:25 < Mike1> and then ./scripts/Download -cfg install -required
04:27 < martman_> hmmm, its downloading the 2.6 kernel, looks like ill finally have to brave it
04:27 < Mike1> what kind of conection do you have? and which target are you building for the system?
04:28 < martman_> broadband, i normally get ~300k or so.
04:28 < martman_> i did the base one
04:28 < martman_> the minimal one
04:28 < martman_> i just want somehting small now, maybe ill do this for my desktop
04:28 < martman_> afterwards
04:30 < martman_> im more worried about compile time
04:30 < Mike1> ok so is generic with the minimal template package selection :).. good that will take very little to download the packages with your connection
04:30 < Mike1> to build minimal with 3ghz you will need mm.. around 12 hours..
04:30 < martman_> id like to watch this but got to actually wake up tomrow
04:30 < Mike1> depends on wether you choosed to run rebuild stage or not
04:31 < martman_> 12 hours!?!?! gentoo didnt even take that long. like 5 hours for a base and they threw in some extras
04:31 < Mike1> and then you will need a little more to build the boot disks target needed to create the installation isos
04:31 < Mike1> as i said before it depends if you choosed to run the rebuoild stage or not
04:32 < martman_> rebuild? arent i starting to build now?
04:32 < martman_> after my downloads
04:33 < Mike1> when you run scripts/Config almost at the very end of the expert options there is an option to disable the rebuild stage.. 
04:33 < Mike1> wait till the download is finished then re run Config and disable the rebuild stage :)
04:34 < martman_> sorry but i dont get what im REbuilding. i want to compile the source(doesnt seem like i have a choice but i dont mind), but this is sounding like im doing it twice
04:35 < martman_> 2 seperate compiling times(with diff packages)?
04:36 < Mike1> the rebuild stage is as it sounds a whole rebuild of all the packages.. oftenly used on the big targets to ensure that all dependencies are satisfied..
04:37 < martman_> why would anyone do that? if the deps arent satisfied wouldnt it just fail? do you really need it to fail twice?
04:41 < martman_> Mike1 still around?
04:41 < Mike1> not exactly. Lets just say that sometimes, there are packages that need eachorther, so by rebuilding we ensure that both are there, and that there won't be any conflicts 
04:42 < Mike1> yes sorry i am also on a phone call..
04:42 < martman_> o, no problem. just wondering....
04:42 < martman_> didnt thing of dual deps.....
04:42 < martman_> think
04:43 < martman_> well, i gotta go for awhile. ill keep this downloading though. thanks Mike1
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06:11 < Mike1> re
07:16 < cchamilt_> re
07:16 < cchamilt_> bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
07:16 < cchamilt_> Build is breaking with this in stage 9.
07:17 < cchamilt_> rock needs a serious package audit.
07:20 < Mike1> I'm not beena ble to move farter from autoconf stage1..
07:20 < Mike1> good day chris btw 
07:20 < cchamilt_> heh
07:20 < cchamilt_> what is the problem on stage 1?
07:21 < Mike1> segfault..
07:21 < Mike1> not sure of whats causing it..
07:21 < cchamilt_> hmm
07:21 < cchamilt_> Obviously the host system has issues.
07:22 < Mike1> rock 2.0rc1 system...
07:23 < cchamilt_> I don't think that implies correctness :)
07:23 < cchamilt_> [DEP] autoconf bash bzip2 coreutils diffutils emacs findutils gcc3 grep
07:23 < cchamilt_> [DEP] m4 make mktemp net-tools perl5 sed sysfiles tar texinfo util-linux
07:23 < cchamilt_> [DEP] xfree86
07:24 < Mike1> ah well guess  i will try with a debian system  i have here :)
07:24 < cchamilt_> What call is segfaulting: gcc?
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07:25 < Mike1> make[2]: *** [m4sugar.m4f] Segmentation fault
07:26 < cchamilt_> hmm
07:27 < cchamilt_> is m4sugar.m4 made by autom4te
07:28 < Mike1> yes..
07:28 < cchamilt_> autom4te is a perl script.
07:30 < cchamilt_> Not sure what to recommend to you.
07:30 < cchamilt_> I know I would at this point blindly rebuild autoconf and perl5 on the host.
07:30 < Mike1> let me test on my other system and see if i get the same probs.
07:31 < Mike1> yeah it is an option just wanna try other system first
07:33 < cchamilt_> autom4te is only lightly touched by sed, otherwise it is a completely raw script.  It is either from m4 or perl5 where the problem lies.
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07:42 < netrunner> moin
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07:42 < cchamilt_> hello
07:42 < cchamilt_> My kde panels just died.
07:43 * netrunner hates monday morning. today is monday isn't it?
07:43 < netrunner> cchamilt_: burry them and switch do xfce :)
07:43 < cchamilt_> not where I am.
07:43 < cchamilt_> isnt that a cde clone?
07:44 < cchamilt_> I have never seen a working cde system, though I have used quite a few solaris boxes...
07:47 < netrunner> cchamilt_: fortunately most solaris boxes also have fvwm2 :)
07:49 < cchamilt_> no, sorry that was a joke hard to follow.  I meant cde might be OK on linux, but sun has never had it set it up right.
07:51 < netrunner> ah, that's to early today :)
07:52 < cchamilt_> fvwm2 is not that bad.  I remember hacking on getting earthsim and snow working together.
07:52 < cchamilt_> All your options at the right click of a mouse.
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08:10 < scythe_> good morning
08:12 < Mike1> hello scythe_ und netrunner
08:13 < scythe_> open rock, ey?
08:15 < cchamilt_> hello scythe and ? what are you asking about rock?
08:16 < scythe_> hi - just read clifford's email about the name change
08:16 < cchamilt_> interesting.  need to be able to read mail.
08:17 < cchamilt_> my email server is dead right now
08:18 < scythe_> clifford wrote about future plans of rock
08:18 < netrunner> please not yet another open something. that name tastes like old chewing gum.
08:19 < netrunner> why not 'The ROCK Machine'
08:19 < scythe_> he wrote that maybe a name change will be needed, when the porting of rock will be started to hurd and openbsd
08:19 < netrunner> or call it a 'ROCK box' as in black box ... put your config in and your dist comes out.
08:19 < cchamilt_> I am in favor of losing the 'rock' myself.
08:20 < scythe_> and *anything* sounds better than "YetAnotherLinux"
08:20 < netrunner> cchamilt_: rock is cool. 
08:20 * netrunner needs to go to uni
08:21 < cchamilt_> yep, except it has no way of making a good logo.  and makes me think of lame glam rock&roll.
08:21 < cchamilt_> we are the bon jovi of linuxes.
08:22 < scythe_> cchamilt: i like the name, but accept the need for a better logo
08:22 < scythe_> and dont think bon jovi, think queen and black sabbath ;-)
08:22 < cchamilt_> i am a cowboy and on a steel horse i ride.
08:22 < scythe_> steel penguin
08:23 < cchamilt_> do we ride or wrangle penguins?
08:23 < scythe_> let's forget this cowboy thing, shall we? :-)
08:23 < cchamilt_> i am a penguinboy.
08:25 < cchamilt_> ok, but rock as in referring to rock&roll is very cliche and past 'pop' influence.  Nowadays music is always subclassified.
08:25 < cchamilt_> and even 'alternative linux' would be lame.
08:25 < scythe_> may be true. let start thiniking of car types ;-)
08:26 < cchamilt_> edsel
08:27 < cchamilt_> sorry i just love being a jerk when there is a chance.
08:27 < cchamilt_> suv linux.
08:27 < cchamilt_> diesel linux
08:27 < scythe_> i like porsches...
08:28 < cchamilt_> sports utility linuc
08:28 < cchamilt_> i like brewnix
08:28 < scythe_> suspensor?
08:29 < cchamilt_> explain suspensr please
08:29 < scythe_> call it "not yet another linux, but a distro build kit, and open"...
08:29 < cchamilt_> pick-nix
08:30 < scythe_> suspensor - i dont know the proper word, in hungarian it is called suspensor - a shielding for your balls :))
08:30 < cchamilt_> nyalbddk&o
08:30 < cchamilt_> the joque strappe
08:31 < scythe_> (brain storming can be fun)
08:32 < cchamilt_> I really hope we can drop rock.  Or at least not be 'open rock' as if there was a 'closed rock'
08:33 < cchamilt_> clifford seems to have problems naming things.
08:34 < scythe_> it's not the name that matters - the PR managers will do that.
08:34 < cchamilt_> yes and we have many of those...
08:34 < scythe_> at the marketing diversion, dont we?
08:35 < cchamilt_> jocelyn and i spent hours trying to come up with a way to 'market' rock. it was not good.
08:35 < cchamilt_> marketing diversions might help :)
08:35 < scythe_> marketing4linux is suse's own package i think...
08:35 < scythe_> :))
08:37 < cchamilt_> We could slip cds of rock into peoples bags while they look at the bunnies.  We tried that around 1.5 here in Singapore.  Nothing came from it.
08:37 < scythe_> give free beer with rock
08:37 < cchamilt_> People don't understand free and no commitment.  They think there is no one willing to give things away and actually promote them.
08:38 < scythe_> maybe rock really in need of a better name and logo
08:38 < scythe_> but i still think that rock is too complicated for a newbie linux user
08:39 < cchamilt_> free beer in singapore is even more confusing.  Hardly anyone realizes that it is free in Singapore when someone hires breworks(a local microbrewer).
08:39 < cchamilt_> well that can be fixed.  I mean a binary version is as easy as debian right now.
08:39 < scythe_> -dont take that free berr thing serious, the idea came from "married with children"...
08:40 < scythe_> and a gui setup would also help
08:40 < scythe_> like yast2 or in uhu-linux
08:40 < cchamilt_> Yes, but just pointing out that people are always suspicious of 'free'
08:41 < cchamilt_> they dont realize were all happy commies
08:41 < scythe_> than start asking money for binary releases - that should make us millions :)))
08:42 < cchamilt_> Do you think xdialod would be enough of graphics?  I was thinking of porting stone to html and then load gecko as the installer.
08:42 < cchamilt_> xdialogue that is
08:42 < scythe_> i dont know much about guis
08:42 < scythe_> i saw only yast2 but i dont know it
08:42 < cchamilt_> mscsoftware used to have a webmin based installer that was pretty good.
08:43 < cchamilt_> html means remote installs are possible.
08:43 < scythe_> important: remote installs need to be possible
08:43 < cchamilt_> Why and when that would be needed, I dont know.  However it seems like a selling point we can state.
08:44 < scythe_> for zseries - you can not install from local
08:44 < scythe_> everything you have locally is a dumb terminal
08:44 < cchamilt_> well rock always supports serial consoles now by being dialog based.
08:44 < scythe_> no serial port on zseires
08:45 < scythe_> only tcpip is good
08:45 < scythe_> this is the way suse , redhat and debian installs to z
08:45 < daja77> moin
08:45 < scythe_> hi daja77
08:45 < scythe_> so remote installs must bu possible
08:46 < SMP> morning
08:46 < scythe_> (bu=be)
08:46 < daja77> hi scythe & cchamilt_ 
08:46 < SMP> hi scythe_ 
08:46 * scythe_ hi SMP
08:46 < cchamilt_> hi daja and smp
08:46 < daja77> hi SMP 
08:46 < cchamilt_> Well how does it do console over tcp - do they run telnet on their install cds?
08:47 < scythe_> no cds either - only tapes:) and yes, telnet.
08:47 < Mike1> moin SMP
08:47 < daja77> hey Mike1 
08:47 < Mike1> daja77: !
08:47 < Mike1> :)
08:47 < cchamilt_> interesting...  we could make a telnet serving bootdisk pretty easily.
08:48 < scythe_> im planning it
08:48 < scythe_> will be needed for at least z
08:48 * SMP used to boot his SGI with telnetd as init ;-O
08:48 < cchamilt_> dhcp based network I assume.
08:48 * Mike1 planning to go parting tonight.. are you comming?
08:48 < scythe_> not a must, but can be
08:49 < scythe_> (i mean 4 dhcp)
08:49 < daja77> Mike1: I was at a party yesterday ^^
08:49 < cchamilt_> hmm sounds really doable.  dhcp and telnet - otherwise I am not sure how to setup the network for the boot disk.
08:49 < Mike1> another one won't hurt..
08:50 < scythe_> on the dump term you can answer questions
08:50 < scythe_> dumb
08:50 < scythe_> i can send u deb's setup scripts
08:50 < cchamilt_> terminal doesn't support curses?
08:50 < scythe_> or download from debian.org/s390/bootdisk
08:50 < daja77> maybe but yesterday's party featured someone special ^^
08:50 < SMP> dumb term? the zSeries I saw hat an OS/2 box built in :)
08:50 < cchamilt_> nah no nope got plenty of theoretical work for myself now. sorry :)
08:51 < scythe_> no curses: *line* based really dumb terminal
08:51 < scythe_> SMP: that's not an OS/2 box, trhat's th4e SE
08:51 < scythe_> SE means Support Elemnt, that is the BIOS setup for z
08:52 < scythe_> and that runs the dumb term in a window
08:52 < cchamilt_> what a beast.
08:52 < SMP> a window on the OS/2?
08:52 < scythe_> yes, that's correct
08:52 < scythe_> it's is called HMC - Harware Management Console
08:53 < scythe_> and it can only give a line based dumb terminal
08:53 < cchamilt_> anyway, I guess we could make a flat cli based install as well, but telnet does sound good.  For dhcp and telnet, all you need is to modify linuxrc.sh to launch them with error checking.
08:53 < SMP> ah, I only remember a GUI to mess with VMs and DASDs and whatnot
08:54 < scythe_> thats HMC main function - defining Hardware Configuration for lpars
08:54 < scythe_> Lpars as Logical Partitions, for running multiple oses on 1 or more CPU's simultan.
08:55 < scythe_> VM's needs another stand alone software
08:55 < scythe_> on 1 box u can run 15 lpars and u can run virtually an unlimited number of VM's in one lpar running VM software
08:56 < scythe_> thalia ISP does this
08:56 < SMP> Tlia
08:56 < SMP> eh
08:56 < SMP> Telia
08:56 < scythe_> sorry
09:02 < scythe_> btw SMP: sorry for delaying the 390 port, but i have more work - not connected with linux - that i can do, so i have little time - but im doing it as i can. The good news that apollo is now runnig on it's dedicated ifl (linux cpu), so the builds are much faster now...
09:09 < scythe_> another question: anybody planning to create an evms package?
09:09 < SMP> hey, no sweat :)
09:10 < SMP> scythe_: cchamilt has one
09:10 < cchamilt_> it is waiting on me sending the patch to rxr,  i have no email...
09:10 < scythe_> cchamilt: v2?
09:10 < cchamilt_> yep
09:11 < cchamilt_> against 2.4.22 with dm patches etc applying
09:11 < cchamilt_> bootdisk mods included so it is seemless.
09:11 < scythe_> cchamilt: i just installed it a week ago on z and found much better than lvm, so thank you for the work
09:12 < cchamilt_> yep rxr is going to die - adding it means adding glib to the bootdisk
09:12 < scythe_> :))
09:13 < scythe_> i also had an idea for a new target (or whatever): ha for high avability: heartbeat, evms and such
09:15 < cchamilt_> yes, that would be good.  I think mnemoc has been heading that way.  he has keepalived and virtual server stuff.
09:16 < scythe_> will consult him in the future than
09:17 < scythe_> other pkgs i didnt found: cacti, 9wm, x3270
09:18 < SMP> send patches ;)
09:19 < cchamilt_> brb, icecream
09:19 < scythe_> SMP: beware, will do :)
09:20 < scythe_> (under which subdir will they go?)
09:20 < AOU> moin
09:21 < scythe_> hi
09:22 < cchamilt_> make a scythe one ?
09:22 < scythe_> SMP: now gcc3 doesn't build, providing the error that glibc did: all processes sleep.
09:23 < cchamilt_> hi ow
09:30 < AOU> hi cchamilt_ , scythe_ 
09:30 < daja77> moin AOU 
09:36 < AOU> hi daja77 
09:39 < Mike1> Abend Eule!
09:41 * daja77 off now, cu all
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09:51 < scythe_> ah, rxr, are u considering upgrading scripts/Download on svn, or does this process need a special event (eg the release of the next rc or such)?
09:53 < cchamilt_> brewnix will rulenix!
09:54 < scythe_> ms showed longhorn in LA. everybody loved it... sad
09:54 < cchamilt_> sorry i think i had too much icecream
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09:58 < scythe_> dietlibc build segfaults...
10:02 < AOU> aaaaah. icecream. cchamilt_ - don't you want to send some icecream over to germany? *vbeg*
10:03 * cchamilt_ hands over icecream
10:05 < AOU> kewl. thx :)
10:05 * AOU is now doped with icecream *har*
10:05 < cchamilt_> Im coming off my high already.
10:06 < AOU> hmmm. is this a bad or a good fact?
10:06 < cchamilt_> good i guess for discussions sake.  though i am going a little too low i think.
10:07 < AOU> hm. k. 
10:12 < cchamilt_> yeah, i got perl5 working again.  damn thing was confused over my glibc.
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10:32 < AOU> hi trekkie3k 
10:32 < trekkie3k> hi aouwl ;)
10:36 < blindcoder> moin
10:36 < Mike1> moin blindy
10:37 < AOU> aouwl? ohohoh. trekkie3k seems to need glasses
10:37 < AOU> hi blindy, Mike1 
10:37 < Mike1> AOU: and untill now you greet me back..
10:37 < blindcoder> hmm... where's esden when you need him? *grmpf*
10:37 < Mike1> blindcoder: at uni taking care of his thesis..
10:37 < AOU> Mike1: oh... sorry... i didn't see you :-(((
10:38 < blindcoder> yeah... thought so >_<
10:41 < AOU> Mike1: how are you?
10:41 < Mike1> getting better from cold, and you ?
10:41 < AOU> hm. alive. thx.
10:49 < scythe_> SMP: still here?
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12:06 < SMP> scythe_: yes
12:07 < scythe_> SMP: remember the ls | tr sleep bug?
12:08 < SMP> yep
12:08 < SMP> figured it out?
12:08 < scythe_> now looks like that ls got a bug
12:08 < SMP> huh
12:08 < scythe_> it fall asleep without redirecting the output
12:09 < scythe_> and only at build-pkd -this_is_2nd_run thing
12:09 < scythe_> pkg that is
12:09 < scythe_> i wrote "ls /" in build-pkg line 4, the first time it runs, than the 2nd time it is falling asleep
12:10 < scythe_> no | tr, no $vars, just ls /
12:11 < SMP> uh-uh
12:13 < scythe_> yup
12:23 < scythe_> and the only place where ls is called during -this_is_the_2nd run is at the patchfiles variable
12:25 < scythe_> and i found that if you list an empty directory, that works even at the second run... only non-empty dirs mean a problem ;-)
12:27 < SMP> I don't believe this to be a problem of /bin/ls
12:27 < SMP> can you strace the invocation to ls ?
12:27 < scythe_> im on it
12:29 < scythe_> the worrying is that empty dir listings work
12:29 < SMP> maybe because they don't produce any output
12:30 < scythe_> maybe
12:35 < scythe_> strace: lstat /etc/mtab, than sigprocmask, then sigsuspend, which looks strange: "rt_sigsuspend([]" and no closing )...
12:35 < scythe_> and that's it
12:35 < SMP> the syscall is not returning
12:36 < scythe_> yes
12:36 < scythe_> but i dont know y. glibc?
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12:39 < scythe_> and anyway, why is it calling sigsuspend, what signal is it waiting for?
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12:40 < clifford> scythe_: can you reproduce the bug in a normal shell when you set LD_PRELOAD to the flist wrapper and FLWRAPPER_WLOG/FLWRAPPER_RLOG to writeable files?
12:40 < AOU> re
12:41 < scythe_> clifford: i'll try
12:42 < clifford> ..and is your build system NPLT based (like e.g. RH 9) ?
12:42 < Mike1> Abend clifford
12:42 < scythe_> clifford: debian
12:43 < clifford> Hi Mike1. It's lunchtime in vienna...  ;-)
12:43 < clifford> sid oder woody ?
12:43 < Mike1> hehehe clifford well happyt meals them.. time for breakfast here :)
12:43 < scythe_> woody 3.0r1 on 390
12:44 < AOU> debian causes nothing but problems while compiling rock? O_o
12:44 < clifford> Mike1: please don't use the term "happy meal" - It reminds me to sun networking hardware...  ;-)
12:44 < clifford> AOU: Seams like it does.
12:44 < Mike1> clifford: hehehe okis.
12:45 < Mike1> anyways folks i will take off now.. cu later.
12:45 < clifford> cu.
12:46 < Mike1> clifford: i'm starting to get some extra time.. hope there is vacancy for an old school team member to come back..
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12:53 < SMP> clifford: concerning the name change - what do you think of 'ROCK Operating Foundation' (or just short 'ROCK')?
12:55 < SMP> a rock makes a good place to build something on ;)
12:56 < clifford> the problem with "rock" is that you can't get any domains for it.
12:56 < SMP> the problem with !rock is, we have everything already named by that theme ;)
13:00 < scythe_> clifford: you were right, flwrapper with ld_preload kills ls in a single shell too...
13:01 < clifford> I'm afk for some time now (buying sth to eat).
13:02 < clifford> you might want to try running ltrace over it to see in which overloaded function (if any) the problem resists.
13:17 < scythe_> ?
13:24 < scythe_> okay, im just migrating from fl_frapper to strace for now... maybe a later time i'll go after this error
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14:52 < rolla> re
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15:22 < daja77> hi rolla
15:22 < daja77> away
15:22 < daja77> damn
15:25 < cchamilt_> clifford:?
15:28 < cchamilt_> If rock wants to change its name to brewnix it can have the domains .org/.net/.com for it.  It was going to be my marketing brand for selling my 'custom' linux services.
15:28 < daja77> brewnix??!
15:30 < rolla> hallo daja77 
15:30 < rolla> Finishing build.
15:30 < rolla> -> Creating package database ...
15:30 < rolla> -> Creating isofs.txt file ..
15:31 < daja77> hehe
15:45 < daja77> blindcoder: you here?
15:53 < blindcoder> daja77: more or less
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16:49 < daja77> ic
16:49 < daja77> blindcoder: just noticed chksum err in hddtemp
16:51 < rolla> yawn
16:51 * daja77 grins at rolla 
16:51 < rolla> == 09:49:19 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 2.0.0-rc1].
16:52 < rolla> daja77: does linux26 build for you?
16:52 < daja77> dunno just started :)
16:52 < rolla> oh let me know if yours does
16:52 < rolla> mine failed
16:52 < daja77> will do
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17:12 < cytrinox`> moin
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17:50 < rolla> asqwertzuipoü+##äölkj-.,mnbßÖL_:;'*ÜÜQ°^!"§$%&/(///
17:50 < rolla> crap
17:52 < rolla> finally got this damn keyboard worked out
17:52 < rolla> how do you germans use unix with the / being above the 7?
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18:17 < rxr_> re
18:18 < rxr_> rolla: this works quite ok - or we use the us layout ...
18:26 < rolla> ah
18:27 < rolla> then how do you use german chars?
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18:42 < cchamilt_> rxr_:Single line change for cracklib
18:43 < cchamilt_> rxr_: cp -f cracklib/packer.h /usr/include after the lib copy
18:43 < cchamilt_> This lets php build against cracklib
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18:54 < tcr> ../cxx/cxx_app.cpp:260: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable
18:54 < tcr> make: *** [cxx_app.lo] Error 1
18:54 < tcr> --- BUILD ERROR ---
18:54 < tcr> when building bdb3.3
18:54 < tcr> with gcc 3.2.3
18:54 < tcr> Anyone a clue?
18:59 < cchamilt_> That is a new one... No clue.
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19:18 < tcr> cchamilt_, hmm.. building it by hand (in src.bdb*/R.src/bd*/
19:19 < tcr> is successfull
19:31 < tcr> cchamilt_, found out what's caused that
19:32 < tcr> cchamilt_, in anyway 'Disable exceptiona nd rtti in C++' got enabled. 
19:32 < cchamilt_> what was it?
19:32 < cchamilt_> OK
19:33 < AOU> remoin
19:35 < cchamilt_> hi aou
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20:04 < tcr> Ok, found a bug in the config process
20:04 < tcr> that's responsible for an automatically setting of 'Disable exceptions [...]'
20:04 < tcr> Gonna send an email to the ml
20:08 < rolla> cool
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20:44 < rolla> grrr my boot build failed
20:47 < rolla> anyone about?
20:49 < tcr> rolla: I built one succesfully yesterday
20:49 < rolla> hmm
20:49 < tcr> Are you using a recent svn checkout?
20:49 < tcr> Mine were two or three days old
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21:15 < rxr_> re
21:15 < daja77> re
21:15 < daja77> hey rxr :)
21:18 < daja77> rxr_: /me was at a fedora talk yesterday, that project is a mess, I am glad I choose rock :)
21:19 < tcr> moin rxr 'nd daja77.
21:19 < tcr> daja77, what's fedora?
21:19 < daja77> hi tcr
21:19 < daja77> rh community project
21:23 < daja77> they aim towards an automatic build system, but in fact they build all their packages _manually_ !!!
21:27 < tcr> ./popt -I../zlib -g -O2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_REENTRANT -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wstric
21:27 < tcr> t-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wno-char-subscripts -c poptALL.c -MT poptALL.
21:27 < tcr> lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/poptALL.TPlo  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/poptALL.lo
21:27 < tcr> poptALL.c: In function `rpmcliInit':
21:27 < tcr> poptALL.c:338: syntax error before ';' token
21:27 < tcr> make[3]: *** [poptALL.lo] Error 1
21:27 < tcr> make[3]: Leaving directory `/R.src/rpm-4.1/lib'
21:27 < daja77> no comment ..
21:28 < rxr_> cchamilt_: I did the cracklib modifications and cleaned it up
21:28 < rxr_> commit after a test
21:29 < tcr> Is that known, rxr_?
21:29 < rxr_> tcr: I do not think so
21:29 < rxr_> do you use gcc33 ?
21:29 < tcr> 3.2.3
21:30 < tcr> I can't find anything wrong on line 338 (and around) in that file
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21:39 < daja77> tcr: optimization bug?
21:40 < tcr> It's reproducible at least.
21:40 < tcr> daja77, Do you think? I'm using pIII opts
21:41 < daja77> on which hw?
21:43 < tcr> athlon xp
21:44 < daja77> *cough* this will _not_ work
21:44 < daja77> pentium3 optimization even failed when i did it on a pentium4
21:45 < tcr> why that?
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21:46 < tcr> What do you mean with "not working"? Not building, or not woking on a pIII machine?
21:46 < daja77> cos the penmtium3 optimized gcc is executed on your athlon and producing crap
21:48 < tcr> Oh, I thought the things in tools.native will be used
21:49 < daja77> afaik you would need a real cross build for that
21:49 < tcr> or tools.cross
21:49 < tcr> Ok. I thought that's just necessary for really different architectures
21:51 < tcr> daja77, Apparantly, you're right. I had a different idea what the things in tools.{cross,native}  are there for
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