-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sun May 04 00:00:26 2003
[00:05] < daja77> re
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[00:25] < rxr> re
[00:25] < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003
[00:25] < daja77> hehe cool
[00:26] < rxr> hopefully it scales better than 2.4.21-rc1
[00:27] < rxr> this -rc1 sucks so much I even mailed linux-kernel ...
[00:27] < daja77> I'll need 2.4.20 for rtai anyway
[00:29] < rxr> oops - the screen on your box was not responding correctly - and now a misplaced keystroke killed it :-(
[00:30] < rxr> your box is now at "== 00:30:48 =[1]=> Building base/glibc23 [2.3.2 1.7-snapshot]."
[00:30] < daja77> damn how can we reach it
[00:31] < rxr> what? acl attr ?
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[00:32] < daja77> the build
[00:33] < daja77> oh you restarted it?
[00:33] < rxr> I continued it ... - the screen did :-(
[00:34]   rxr mustn't hit C-C too oft when a prog is not responding ...
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[00:34] < daja77> *ggg*
[00:34] < rxr> currently the 2.5.68 feels much better than the 2.4.21-rc1 ...
[00:35] < daja77> how far until 2.6.0 ?
[00:35] < rxr> and no spaw is used - the problem with 2.4.21-rc1 was that it constantly was swapping 100MB arround although 300MB where used as disk cache and 60MB where free ...
[00:36] < daja77> urgs, so why are we using it
[00:36] < rxr> daja77: this summer is the release date - but I do not know if they will meet it
[00:36] < daja77> ah ;)
[00:36] < rxr> the 2.4.20 wasn't that bad - I only start to test 2.4.21 in the last weeks and came to this swap issue during my continues ROCK builds ...
[00:37] < rxr> it really sucks when the xemacs has to be pulled out of the swap only to type  a mail - and after that mail konqueror needs to be find in the swap ... and so on.
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[00:37] < rxr> feels like windows
[00:38] < rxr> hm - I should have send the two defect IBM disk to IBM earlier - I'm running out of disk space at gmsp.tfh-berlin.de ...
[00:38] < rxr> s/gmsp/gsmp/
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[00:42] < daja77> re
[00:42] < daja77> damn screen
[00:45] < daja77> rxr: still here?
[00:46] < rxr> jups
[00:46] < daja77> lost my screen session at university d'oh
[00:47] < rxr> hm - the ssh session do your box is again not responding ...
[00:47] < rxr> s/do/to/
[00:47] < daja77> hmm maybe ip has changed
[00:48] < rxr> wow all the VM and the scheduler in 2.6 seems to pay off - the most responsive kernel I ever had ;-)
[00:48] < daja77> O(1) scheduler right?
[00:49] < rxr> jups + other tuning after the merge
[00:51] < daja77> rxr: to which address are you trying to connect?
[00:52] < rxr> 145.254.78.219
[01:11] < rxr> Committed revision 103.
[01:12] < daja77> *hmpf*
[01:13]   daja77 waiting for stage 2
[01:15] < daja77> this is so fast
[01:17] < daja77> build base/bash
[01:19] < rxr> daja77: which stage ?
[01:19] < daja77> 1
[01:19] < daja77> coreutils failed
[01:25] < mnemoc> i built it fine after updating local autoconf, automake and texinfo
[01:35] < rxr> mnemoc: hm - but this "bug" should be fixed - such dependencies are _bad_ ...
[01:35] < rxr> cu tomorrow - errr today morning ;-)
[01:35] < rxr> n8
[01:36] < mnemoc> n8 :)
[01:36] < mnemoc> i know it's a bug... i'm just bothering
[01:37] < rxr> or better - cliff said this bug is fixed ...
[01:38] < mnemoc> daja77 has an non-updated-local-box to test it?
[01:38] < rxr> jups
[01:38] < mnemoc> i should have waited :(
[01:39] < rxr> so this look much better:
[01:39] < rxr> jackson:~$ free
[01:39] < rxr>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:39] < rxr> Mem:        515848     492800      23048          0      71200     269476
[01:39] < rxr> -/+ buffers/cache:     152124     363724
[01:39] < rxr> Swap:       524624        128     524496
[01:39] < rxr> not all editors are in swap space :-)
[01:39] < mnemoc> 2.5?
[01:39] < rxr> jups
[01:39] < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003
[01:39] < daja77> mnemoc: what do you mean with non updated
[01:40] < mnemoc> not last packages
[01:40] < mnemoc> you still can test stage 1 independece
[01:41] < mnemoc> OT: anyone knows how to 'rescue' mails from a MDaemon without MDaemon installed?
[01:45] < daja77> hmmm still building patch utility strange
[01:48] < mnemoc> patch utility strange? <-- what do u mean?
[01:49] < daja77> that it takes so long to build
[01:50] < mnemoc> i took 6 hours in my last build of 1-linux24 :)
[01:51] < daja77> which machine?
[01:51] < mnemoc> p200/64
[01:51] < daja77> d'oh
[01:52] < mnemoc> i use to use a vmware on my box, but it was slower and it makes my box unusable
[01:53] < daja77> vmware on that box wow
[01:54] < mnemoc> no... i my p3/700 :)
[01:54] < mnemoc> so i moved to that p200
[01:54] < daja77> why it is so slow
[01:56] < daja77> *argh* there is no build at all running
[01:57] < mnemoc> p3/700/256 + ATA100 + XP + vmware( rh72 + builing linux24or gcc3) <--- that was slower than p200/64 with rh72
[01:58] < tsa> rxr: still awake?
[01:58] < daja77> uff
[01:59] < mnemoc> brb
[01:59] < rxr> tsa: barely
[01:59] < daja77> rxr: the build died somehow reinitiated it
[01:59] < mnemoc> rxr: subconfig.$pkg is official?
[02:00] < tsa> rxr: i just answered your mail regarding the elf package....it's just a small tool displaying statistics about elf files, so it's nothing too important..
[02:01] < rxr> tsa: yeah I took a look - but is is not really needed for a system ...
[02:01] < rxr> we already have libelf which is a elf object access lib - used e.g. by prelink ...
[02:01] < tsa> yes. it's just a small "goodie"..
[02:02] < rxr> we shouldn't polute base too much ...
[02:02] < rxr> mnemoc: jackson:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-rxr/misc$ grep -r subconfig *
[02:02] < rxr> config/config-games.in:%include package/*/*/subconfig-games.in
[02:02] < rxr> config/config-libs.in:%include package/*/*/subconfig-libs.in
[02:03] < rxr> introduced by cliff so ...
[02:04]   daja77 getting dyndns record ;)
[02:05] < rxr> Committed revision 105.
[02:06] < rxr> server side rock subversion repository:
[02:06] < rxr> 146M    rock-linux
[02:07] < rxr> so finally good night
[02:07] < rxr> cu
[02:07] < tsa> cu rxr
[02:11] < daja77> ok build is broken I'll go to bed now
[02:16] < tsa> hehe...have fun
[02:16] < tsa> cu daja77
[02:22]   tsa sending more new packages
[02:35] < mnemoc> tsa: which mta do you use?
[02:36] < tsa> mnemoc: sendmail
[02:36] < mnemoc> with maildirs?
[02:36] < tsa> i don't really like postfix, but i'll probably have a look at courier-mta soon
[02:36] < tsa> yes.
[02:37] < tsa> (pretty easy, you'll just have to change the local mailer)
[02:37] < mnemoc> what don't you like of postfix?
[02:38] < tsa> i've seen it losse mail several times.
[02:38] < mnemoc> uff... good reason
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[02:38] < tsa> basically because of people that said postfix was easy to configure
[02:39] < tsa> (..and still failed at it ;)
[02:39] < tsa> people always say the sendmail.cf is unreadable and postfix is much better
[02:40] < mnemoc> isn't it?
[02:40] < tsa> but: you'll have to compare the sendmail.mc and the corresponding postfix files.
[02:41] < tsa> which isn't too much a difference, IMHO.
[02:42] < mnemoc> why not qmail? djb?
[02:42] < tsa> you can still change the sendmail.cf, which gives sendmail a bonus because it can be the most flexible MTA i know so far, but you dnon't have to
[02:43] < tsa> i'm already using daemontools and djbdns here..
[02:43] < tsa> ...i need a MTA to act as a smtp-auth client to my provider, therefore no qmail so far
[02:44] < tsa> ( i know there are patches, but i didn't have the time to try them out so far..
[02:44] < tsa> )
[02:44] < mnemoc> i would like to try qmail-ldap
[02:45] < tsa> djb might have a somewhat strange attitude and licensing scheme, but his software is just simple, small - and it works.
[02:45] < mnemoc> runit is a great alternative to daemontools & ucspi-tcp limitations
[02:46] < mnemoc> but i'm looking for a replacement for qmail's
[02:46] < mnemoc> not founding anything yet
[02:47] < mnemoc> runit=init + daemontools ipsvd=ucspi-{tcp,udp}
[02:47] < tsa> ah, i see
[02:47] < mnemoc> GPL ;-)
[02:47] < tsa> <- had major problems with postfix+openldap this week
[02:48] < mnemoc> problems with ldap or postfix, or with the intergation?
[02:48] < tsa> ldap server died, postfix responded with "user unknown" instead of "temporarily not available"
[02:48] < mnemoc> :|
[02:48] < tsa> lots of mail bounced, customer angry.
[02:48] < mnemoc> ldap over sql or bdb?
[02:48] < tsa> understandable, imho.
[02:48] < tsa> bdb
[02:49] < tsa> ldap seems to be a good way to get rid of important data.
[02:50] < tsa> (i wouldn't use ldap with sendmail, either)
[02:50] < mnemoc> i'm constricting my target over ldap... :-\
[02:50] < tsa> hehe...have fun ;)
[02:51] < tsa> hope you get it more stable than the redHat stuff i'm forced to use at work
[02:51] < tsa> anyway...02:51am...time for me to catch some sleep.
[02:51] < mnemoc> now i'm a little worried... thanks to your 'problem'
[02:51] < tsa> ;)
[02:51] < mnemoc> go to do that deprecated action
[02:51] < tsa> g'night..
[02:52] < mnemoc> gn8
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[03:39] < esden> hi all
[03:40] < mnemoc> hi
[03:40] < esden> ahh someone alife ... I was not expecting that ;-)
[03:40] < esden> hi mnemoc
[03:42] < mnemoc> :)
[03:52] < mnemoc> dammit!...
[03:52] < mnemoc> sed as part of a "$@" doesn't work :\
[04:08] < esden> o_O
[04:26] < esden> good night
[04:27] < mnemoc> n8
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[07:07] < kasc> moin
[09:53] < blindcoder> moin
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[09:58] < rxr> re
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[10:26] < rxr> Committed revision 107.
[10:32] < rxr> Committed revision 108.
[10:32] < rxr> cu later
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[10:49] < gsuveg> re
[10:50] < gsuveg> what is the minimum install of rl?
[11:22] < rxr> hi gsuveg
[11:23] < rxr> how do you define miminmum install ?
[11:24] < gsuveg> i would make a router that need to fit on zipdirve
[11:24] < gsuveg> and need: wireless, cbq, snmp
[11:27] < rxr> gsuveg: no problem - we even have a special router target that is only some MB in size ...
[11:27] < gsuveg> rxr: fine. can you give me docs?
[11:27] < gsuveg> me very new the rocklinux.
[11:28] < gsuveg> im use *bsd. i have a obsd based wifi router project, but it sound like, i need use linux
[11:29] < rxr> either you download a tarball or use cvs or subversion and the look into the Documentation directory
[11:29] < rxr> or you browse my subversion repository online:
[11:29] < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/Documentation/
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[11:37] < gsuveg> rxr: avaliable a install iso?
[11:38] < daja77> re
[11:38] < rxr> Committed revision 109.
[11:39] < gsuveg> i need linux to build rocklinux right?
[11:39] < rxr> gsuveg: you need a non-crippled linux to build ROCK linux ;-)
[11:39] < rxr> gsuveg: simply read the homepage carefully - all info is there.
[11:39] < daja77> rxr: build broke before I went to bed
[11:39] < gsuveg> ??non-crippled
[11:39] < rxr> for an ISO:
[11:39] < rxr> daja77: not SuSE, RedHat or other toys ...
[11:40] < rxr> er gsuveg I meant ...
[11:40] < daja77> yepp
[11:40] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
[11:41] < rxr> or better:
[11:41] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html
[11:41] < gsuveg> rxr: understud
[11:41] < rxr> the "How can you obtain dRock?" section ;-)
[11:41] < rxr> the latest is 2.0.0-alpha
[11:42] < rxr> a 2.0.0-beta should be (hopefully) released today.
[11:42] < daja77> *g*
[11:44] < daja77> rxr:  would it hgelp to uopgrade autoconf on my host system?
[11:45] < rxr> daja77: it seems that this would be a work arround - but getting this bug fixed would be even nicer ...
[11:45] < gsuveg> rxr: 1.6pre3 iso is good choiche for start?
[11:45] < rxr> gsuveg: nope !
[11:46] < rxr> take some 2.0.0 ISO !!!
[11:46] < rxr> 2.0.0-alpa for example
[11:46] < gsuveg> rxr: please give me url
[11:46] < daja77> rxr: changing build order so that autoconf is build before coreutils, perhaps?
[11:47] < rxr> daja77: no - this is not yet chroot'ed your host systems one is used ...
[11:47] < rxr> gsuveg: on which server are you currently ?
[11:48] < daja77> rxr: so there is no way to fix it, I guess
[11:52] < rxr> daja77: there is - there really is no need to use autoconf ...
[11:52] < daja77> aha tell me more
[11:53] < gsuveg> .org
[11:56] < daja77> rxr: btw I read in the err log that the script suggested to redo an aclocal to avoid errors maybe we should add this to .conf file
[11:57] < rxr> gsuveg: ... - _which_ .org? full qualified name please ...
[11:57] < gsuveg> www.rocklinux.org
[11:57] < rxr> daja77: to then we have even more dependencies on the build system
[11:57] < rxr> those auto* crap should not be run at all.
[11:58] < rxr> gsuveg: hm? on this server aren't no ISOs?
[11:58] < rxr> the dRock URL I posted above ontained:
[11:58] < rxr> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/dRock/
[11:58] < rxr> https://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~drock/
[11:58] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock
[11:58] < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock
[11:59] < daja77> rxr: but how you want to build coreutils then?
[11:59] < rxr> daja77: I'll take a look into this in some seconds
[11:59] < gsuveg> thx
[11:59] < daja77> rxr: ok
[12:00] < gsuveg> rxr: thx.
[12:00] < gsuveg> whats on cd2?
[12:03] < daja77> gsuveg: the packages which didn't fit on cd1
[12:04] < gsuveg> daja77: ok. thx
[12:05] < rxr> gsuveg: the packages are spread i alphabetical order + random gap filling over the CDs - but I think about speading them more logically that the CD2 is not needed if you do not need gnome* or server apps ...
[12:05] < rxr> s/i/in/
[12:07] < gsuveg> rxr: thx
[12:08] < gsuveg> rxr: maybe better reorg the packages tree. one cd what more then 80% need (servers, X, wm*), and on cd2 the extras
[12:08]   gsuveg lunch
[12:08] < gsuveg> back later
[12:08] < rxr> gsuveg: there are more problems
[12:09] < daja77> ack
[12:09] < rxr> we have many target from server over desktop to embedded needs
[12:09] < gsuveg> rxr: back later
[12:09] < rxr> we cannot hardcode this packages placement - especially as users can select to not build packages
[12:09] < daja77> rxr: we have an embedded target O_o
[12:10] < rxr> so with all this dynamics it must be automatically spread over the CDs
[12:10] < rxr> daja77: well the first is the router target - other to come ... ;-)
[12:10] < daja77> ;)
[12:12] < daja77> rxr: I now have a dyndns record and will setup a better non ip based iptables rule ;)
[12:12] < rxr> daja77: ok - can I already log ing ?
[12:13] < daja77> I'll have to boot the machine mom
[12:13] < kasc> re
[12:14] < daja77> re kasc
[12:15] < rxr> daja77: cliff said on the ML - that he now fixed the autoconf need ...
[12:16] < daja77> O_o checking...
[12:19] < daja77> rxr: this is a fix for stage 3 which I never reach...
[12:21] < rxr> daja77: yes - I also just noticed that there is nothing new in cvs ..
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[12:59] < gsuveg> are
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[13:24] < LoriTV> moin moin
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[13:25] < franky> moinsen :)
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[13:34] < daja77> hi mlw ;)
[13:38] < daja77> Lorini: still watching tc O_o
[13:39] < daja77> hi franky
[13:39] < daja77> tv
[13:42] < Lorini> daja77: nope
[13:43] < daja77> good
[13:43] < daja77> bbl cu
[13:51] < praenti> hi
[13:51] < praenti> can anyone tell me where the init-scripts are generated in 1.7 and where the templates are. i have an error in the system script
[13:55] < esden> good morning everyone
[13:55] < esden> praenti: will you be at chicconi?
[14:01] < Lorini> esden: hi
[14:09] < esden> hi Lorini *hug*
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[14:13] < _NULL_> hi
[14:20] < praenti> esden: yes
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[14:22] < Bevin> hi all
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[14:25] < praenti> hi Bevin
[14:28] < daja77> re
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[14:41] < daja77> wb Lorini
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[14:41] < Lorini> re
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[14:47] < blindcoder> bah, so much typing work >_<
[14:48] < esden> blindcoder: ?
[14:48] < esden> blindcoder: what are you typing?
[14:50] < blindcoder> esden: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/test/
[14:50] < blindcoder> esden: LocalHeros beto-design finally inspired me
[14:51] < blindcoder> esden: and I had to do small pseudo-cms-function-calls, so I have to adapt the php-files
[14:57] < esden> aha ... ok
[14:57]   esden off fixing an email accound of our polish priest ... ;-)
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[15:03] < LocalHero> Hi all
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[15:08] < _NULL_> hi LocalHero
[15:08] < _NULL_> hi zer0_o
[15:08] < zer0_o> hi _NULL_
[15:09] < zer0_o> hi all
[15:14] < blindcoder> hi LocalHero, _NULL_, rest :)
[15:30] < blindcoder> okay, I'm off
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[15:58] < _NULL_> hi and bye blindcoder
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[17:35] < gsuveg> the one cd is not enough for install :((
[17:46] < daja77> re
[17:48] < gsuveg> daja77: hi
[17:51] < daja77> hi gsuveg
[17:52] < daja77> mnemoc: hi ;)
[17:57] < mnemoc> hi
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[17:58] < daja77> mnemoc: you are are coreutils now *g*
[18:00] -!- mnemoc is now known as coreutils
[18:00]   coreutils is a bug
[18:00] < coreutils> i'm more beloved than bdb
[18:01] < daja77> hehehe, you are nearly pissed as me ;)
[18:02] < coreutils> damn gnu people whom decided to join those three projects
[18:04] < _NULL_> *loool* mnemoc - you're really fallen in love with coreutils, aren't you?
[18:05] < daja77> hehe yes he is
[18:06] < coreutils> i had a picture of bdb aside my bed... now i have one of coreutils ;)
[18:06] < gsuveg> can i ask a question near of flame?
[18:06] < daja77> show me!
[18:07] < daja77> gsuveg: prepare to get flamed...
[18:07] < _NULL_> coreutils: :p
[18:07] < gsuveg> what better rocklinux as gentoo
[18:07] < gsuveg> for example
[18:07] < gsuveg> daja77: i would make flame/distrib war
[18:07] < daja77> lol, ask _NULL_
[18:07] < gsuveg> daja77: pardon?
[18:08] < daja77> _NULL_ hates gentoo so she is the right one to ask...
[18:08] < gsuveg> daja77: ah. me same think not clear
[18:09] < daja77> gsuveg: I see...
[18:09] < gsuveg> daja77: im not use linux cca 2 year, before i was use deb,redhat, slackware
[18:10] < gsuveg> daja77: now im use *bsd, but i need build a linux based router, and im find a linux
[18:10] < daja77> ahem what is your question precisely?
[18:10] < gsuveg> what diff beetwen rocklinux and gentoo
[18:11] < coreutils> make + python vs bash
[18:11] < coreutils> lames vs admins
[18:12] < daja77> yeah
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[18:12] < coreutils> :o... gsuveg: what was the last thing you read?
[18:13] < gsuveg_> rl = lames ?
[18:13] < gsuveg_> or rl = admins
[18:13] < gsuveg_> <coreutils> make + python vs bash
[18:13] < gsuveg_> <coreutils> lames vs admins
[18:13] < gsuveg_> what directions is rl / gentoo ?
[18:13] < daja77> O_o directions?
[18:14]   gsuveg_ my adsl isp drop my line
[18:14] < gsuveg_> daja77: sorry, my english is bad
[18:14] < gsuveg_> bash = rocklinux, python = gentoo?
[18:15] < coreutils> gentoo is 'fine' for desktops... nothing else
[18:15] < gsuveg_> ok.
[18:15] < gsuveg_> sounds better
[18:15] < coreutils> is a source based mandrake ;-)
[18:15] < daja77> well basically with rock linux you build a binary distro from the source, in gentoo you install software from sources all the time
[18:15] < daja77> coreutils: hehe, ack
[18:15] < gsuveg_> and the core team is sysadmin?
[18:15] < gsuveg_> daja77: im install apps from src on bsd :)
[18:16] < gsuveg_> and works with rocklinux?
[18:16] < coreutils> but you should do that everytime...
[18:16] < coreutils> rock makes it repeatable
[18:16] < daja77> well of course you can ever install software from source but not the gentoo way
[18:16] < gsuveg_> daja77: what way?
[18:17] < gsuveg_> daja77: rtfm is ok too
[18:17] < daja77> oh well you should read www.gentoo.org
[18:17] < gsuveg_> daja77: i know gentoo. i need info from rocklinux
[18:18] < daja77> www.rocklinux.org ?
[18:18] < gsuveg_> daja77: im read it
[18:18] < gsuveg_> and the core team is sysadmin?
[18:18] < gsuveg_> and works with rocklinux?
[18:19] < daja77> the core team are using rock indeed and are developers and/or sysadmins
[18:19] < gsuveg_> sound good
[18:20] < coreutils> in rock you design a target for your purpose, you buildit for you desired architectures and build that on cd to install it in all the boxes you need.
[18:20] < gsuveg_> and what is the age of developers?
[18:20] < daja77> have a look at the gallery
[18:21] < coreutils> hhtp://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery
[18:21] < daja77> http of course
[18:21] < gsuveg_> yepp
[18:22] < coreutils> :|
[18:23] < daja77> ;)
[18:23] < gsuveg_> ok
[18:24] < gsuveg_> packeges works like on *bsd ?
[18:24] < daja77> no
[18:24] < gsuveg_> ports tree?
[18:24] < gsuveg_> daja77: how?
[18:25] < daja77> gem packages with mine package manager
[18:25] < gsuveg_> ?gem
[18:25] < coreutils> rock, gem, mine, stone, etc... :)
[18:25] < daja77> package format of rock linux
[18:25] < gsuveg_> ok
[18:26] < daja77> hehe dwarf is missing...
[18:26] < coreutils> yea.... we need a dwarf
[18:26] < gsuveg_> how can i upgrade the 1 packages 2. system ?
[18:27] < gsuveg_> daja77: the package system is documented?
[18:27] < daja77> dunno
[18:27] < gsuveg_> daja77: if i would make package ?
[18:27] < coreutils> afaik the guide is almost ready
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[18:28] < daja77> wee mnemoc is back
[18:28] < mnemoc> re :P
[18:30] < daja77> *hmpf* /me waiting for rene
[18:30] < gsuveg_> how can i upgrade the 1 packages 2. system ?
[18:32] < mnemoc> sure... with mine and gem
[18:32] < gsuveg_> ok
[18:32] < gsuveg_> work via ssh ?
[18:33] < mnemoc> 'system' is a group of packages, packages can be updated without loosing configuration
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[18:37] < mnemoc> that question is out of my scope ;)... don't know if there is/will be an *automated* method to update packages and how it works :\
[18:37] < gsuveg_> not need automated
[18:38] < mnemoc> afaik you build that updated target getting new gem files to distribute
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[18:39] < mnemoc> gotta go *g*... cu l8r
[18:39] < daja77> bye mnemoc, have fun
[18:40] < n00kie> bye mnemoc
[18:40] < n00kie> Howdy daja77 :)
[18:40] < mnemoc> bye
[18:41] < daja77> hi n00kie
[18:42] < gsuveg_> mnemoc: thx
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[18:45]   gsuveg out
[18:46] < daja77> bye gsuveg
[18:47] < gsuveg> daja77: bye. i need cicle with my dother ;)
[18:48] < daja77> have fun with your daughter
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[19:39] < wdslbr> hello
[19:40] < gsuveg> re
[19:41] < wdslbr> rxr: i have one question on usbsnoop.
[19:41] < daja77> rxr where?
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[19:42] < daja77> hi wdslbr
[19:42] < wdslbr> hi daja77
[19:42] < daja77> re gsuveg how was your trip?
[19:42] < gsuveg> good :)
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[19:42] < blindcoder> hi all
[19:43] < daja77> hehe hi blindy
[19:44]   daja77 trying to do some useful work until rxr is back
[19:44] < blindcoder> phew... I love skating :)
[19:44] < daja77> with melanie?
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[19:45] < blindcoder> no, alone
[19:45] < blindcoder> melanie is on a blind date in munich
[19:46] < daja77> yeah date a blind
[19:46] < blindcoder> muahaha
[19:46] < blindcoder> date a blind (coder) :D
[19:46]   daja77 not *g*
[19:47] < blindcoder> don't worry I wouldn't date you (well... otoh...)
[19:47] < daja77> I am a glad guy...
[19:53] < blindcoder> bbl
[19:59] < rxr> re
[20:07] < blindcoder> wee! a shower is really reviving :)
[20:09] < Lorini> hm good idea
[20:10] < rxr> maybe this konsole quits during installing new kde packages - so maybe  I'll leave and be back in some minutes ...
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[20:14] < tsa> hi all
[20:14] < blindcoder> hi tsa
[20:14] < tsa> hi blindcoder
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[20:22] < rxr> re
[20:23] < _NULL_> wb rxr, hi tsa, blindcoder
[20:23] < blindcoder> bbl, Pool
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[20:56] < tsa> hi tcr
[20:56] < daja77> hi tcr
[20:56] < kasc> re
[20:56] < daja77> hi tsa
[20:57] < daja77> re kasc
[21:00] < tcr> moin all
[21:06] < kasc> hi tcr
[21:10] < tcr> Hmm, she's indeed quite cute... Also watching Verlockende Falle?
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[21:11] < tsa> <-
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[21:12] < dreamind> Hi
[21:12] < _NULL_> hi dreamind , franky_
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[21:12] < senaxl_> :)
[21:12] -!- senaxl_ is now known as senaxl
[21:12] < senaxl> so :)
[21:13] < dreamind> Hi _NULL_
[21:13] < senaxl> Hi :)
[21:14] < dreamind> .oO( *NULL; hm, what would gcc say 'bout that? )
[21:19] < _NULL_> gcc would be amused
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[21:19] < Mike-home> moin all :)
[21:19] < _NULL_> hi Mike-home
[21:20] < Mike-home> greetings Sandra
[21:20] < daja77> hey Mike-home
[21:20] < Mike-home> 'lo Daniel
[21:20] < daja77> nice to see you on sunday ;)
[21:20] < Mike-home> so whats new around here? any entertainment?
[21:20] < Mike-home> daja77 ah well i am bored as hell
[21:20] < daja77> nope but you could start some
[21:20] < Mike-home> so i decided to come by and give a quick visit
[21:21] < daja77> this is *great*
[21:21]   Mike-home smashes an apple pie against daja77's face
[21:21] < Mike-home> entertainment started
[21:21] < daja77> yummee applepie
[21:21] < Mike-home> :))
[21:22] < _NULL_> omg
[21:22] < Mike-home> daja77, _NULL_  how is weekend treating ya?
[21:22] < _NULL_> might i join this fight?
[21:22] < Mike-home> daja77 looks like _NULL_ wants some apple pie too, would u do the honors?
[21:22] < daja77> please
[21:22]   _NULL_ smashes an tomatoe against Mike-home 's head
[21:22]   daja77 grabs some mud for _NULL_
[21:23]   daja77 throws mud at _NULL_
[21:23]   Mike-home kills his aunts dog and drop the blood against _NULL_
[21:23] < daja77> yeah dog blood
[21:23]   _NULL_ protects herselfe against the attacks with her witcheries *vbeg*
[21:24]   daja77 casts a spell against _NULL_
[21:24] < Mike-home> daja77 the animal sacrifice has been completed, and the blood is all over the virgin
[21:24] < Mike-home> time to make the virgin sacrifice
[21:24] < daja77> ack
[21:24]   daja77 grabs knife
[21:24] < Mike-home> me grabs a chicken
[21:25] < _NULL_> *lol*
[21:25] < daja77> eh chick, right
[21:25] < gsuveg> for full install 2.5G ok for / ?
[21:25] < Mike-home> gsuveg yes.
[21:25] < daja77> gsuveg: don't disturb our fight *g*
[21:25] < gsuveg> daja77: ?
[21:25] < Mike-home> daja77 don't be so rude to the guy.. what do u have ur water pistol for?
[21:25] < daja77> gsuveg: don't worry
[21:25]   daja77 shoots at gsuveg
[21:26] < Mike-home> gsuveg wanna join our "virtual fight"?
[21:26] < gsuveg> first i was make 256 for / and more to /usr
[21:26] < daja77> gsuveg: you'll need more for /opt
[21:26] < Mike-home> _NULL_ don't hide coward, display your self
[21:26] < gsuveg> why need more then 1GB for / ?
[21:26] < daja77> gsuveg: as I told you due /opt
[21:27] < _NULL_> Mike-home: ?
[21:27] < daja77> /opt/gnome
[21:27] < gsuveg> ah
[21:27] < daja77> /opt/kde
[21:27] < Mike-home> gsuveg ah well if u have /usr, /var, /home, and / in different partition then / shouldn't be so big
[21:27] < gsuveg> Mike / 256M, /usr 40G
[21:27] < Mike-home> gsuveg u could create a 1.5gb partition for /opt
[21:27] < gsuveg> oks
[21:27] < daja77> 40g for user, hell why this
[21:28] < Mike-home> gsuveg of course there is the fact that i don't know how big is your hd
[21:28] < Mike-home> usr - 40gb wtf
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[21:28] < daja77> gsuveg: don't waste that much space for usr
[21:29] < gsuveg> daja77: i was learn, the unix use /usr to install apps
[21:29] < gsuveg> usr/local fro example
[21:29] < daja77> gsuveg: yeah but show me your 40g of software to install
[21:29] < Mike-home> gsuveg i couln't imagine somone install that much to need 40gb in /usr
[21:30] < Mike-home> geez not even i would use that much space for software on my box
[21:30] < daja77> keep some more for /home to store some movies
[21:30] < gsuveg> daja77: hey
[21:30] < gsuveg> daja77: do you not partitionig your all hdd ?
[21:30] < daja77> gsuveg: I bet that you'll never need more than 10g for /usr in the next two years
[21:31] < Mike-home> daja77 talking about movies, i am looking for people interested in sharing movies to make some kind of portal for our trust circle.
[21:31] < daja77> Mike-home: nice idea but you know I have only isdn
[21:32] < daja77> Mike-home: but I got a dyndns record *g*
[21:32] < Mike-home> daja77 we could try to have a host for it
[21:32] < Mike-home> hehe
[21:32] < daja77> yeah rxr was on my box, debugging a bit ;)
[21:32] < gsuveg> daja77: im link /home to /usr/home
[21:32] < Mike-home> anyways i think i am going to jump a bit now (motocross practice)
[21:33] < gsuveg> daja77: do you dont hear abour freebsd ?
[21:33] < Mike-home> so cu tomorrow
[21:33] < gsuveg> Mike-home: bye
[21:33] < daja77> gsuveg: I am not interested in freebsd thx
[21:33] < Mike-home> _NULL_, daja77 behave your selves
[21:33] < daja77> Mike-home: never :p
[21:34] < Mike-home> daja77 good!
[21:34] < Mike-home> :PP
[21:34] < Mike-home> gute nacht alle
[21:34] < Mike-home> +s
[21:34] < daja77> gute nacht mike
[21:34] < senaxl> nachti :)
[21:34] < _NULL_> <-- is planning a trip. sorry... busy
[21:34] < daja77> Mike-home: -s
[21:34] < _NULL_> gn8 Mike-home
[21:34] < Mike-home> exit
[21:34] < Mike-home> exit
[21:34] < gsuveg> install use /tmp to install apps?
[21:34] < Mike-home> arrgg
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[21:52] < rxr> I'm currently working on a new style and creation method for the ROCK Linux page ...
[21:53] < rxr> any comments about:
[21:53] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/
[21:54] < daja77> oh you used this annoying layer again
[21:54] < daja77> the rest is quite nice
[21:55] < rxr> daja77: would you like the "layer" more if it would not cover content ?
[21:55] < daja77> yes definitely
[21:55] < daja77> brb
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[21:56] < tcr> rxr: with what browser did you test it?
[21:56] < rxr> konqueror - and later mozilla ...
[21:57] < tcr> I'm using 1.3 and the navbar, erm, behaves quite oddly!
[21:57] < tcr> is it normally that it scrolls with?
[21:57] < tcr> and that it overlapps with the text  (about 2columns of text)
[21:57] < tcr> ?
[21:58] < rxr> tcr: yes - it is intended to be fixed
[21:58] < tcr> Ok, I basically like the idea
[21:59] < tcr> (of the shadowed boxes)
[21:59] < tcr> this quirk of scrolling of the navbar is somewhat inconvenient -- sure it works with text browsers?
[22:00] < rxr> no - text browser will be tested later ...
[22:00] < rxr> but this is css - so someone could provide another text - print whaterver stylesheet ...
[22:01] < rxr> now it doesn't overlap anymore - better?
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[22:02] < tcr> Hmm, I'd align the boxes on the left (currently there's quite a big gap)
[22:02] < tcr> erm on the right
[22:02] < tcr> sorry
[22:03]   mlw is back
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[22:06] < rxr> tcr: maybe better now
[22:07] < rxr> but I'll now first restructure all the content
[22:09] < tcr> rxr: what did you change?
[22:10] < daja77> re
[22:11] < rxr> the right allignment ...
[22:11] < daja77> rxr: better
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[22:13] < tcr> rxr: Hmm? I meant the alignment of the boxed that're shadowed
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[22:24] < daja77> rxr: does rock really comply to fhs and lsb, I thought I found some mismatches, I could look it up this week if you like
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[22:28] < LocalHero> Hi all
[22:28] < LocalHero> Wow, i bought this all new logitec keyboard to replace my old one full with coca cola. Now i have a whole bunch of buttons that doesnt even work in linux :)
[22:30] < daja77> LocalHero: they are for new cola *g*
[22:32] < LocalHero> daja77, ahh, sounds nice, i will try to pour something into them later :)
[22:33] < LocalHero> Well, got to have some sleep, cya
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[22:36] < rxr> daja77: yes - sure would be nice if this would be verified after all the restructuring
[22:42] < daja77> rxr: ok will dig through this
[22:51] < daja77> WEEEEEEEEE, coreutils built, stage 2 reached
[22:51]   daja77 happy
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[22:54] < rxr> daja77: you updated autoconf I guess ?
[22:54] < rxr> most of the drock page is converted now:
[22:54] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/
[22:54] < daja77> yes + automake + texinfo to be sure
[22:54] < rxr> more comments ?
[22:55] < rxr> (and yes I know that the screenshot page is currently quite puzzled ...)
[22:56] < daja77> hehe esden has a natalie protman background ;)
[22:58] < daja77> the download link is strange
[22:59] < rxr> daja77: ah yes - they are not yet fully adapted/converted ...
[23:00] < daja77> ;)
[23:00] < rxr> better ?
[23:01] < daja77> yeah better, even if this is not really the download page
[23:01] < rxr> jups - still emacs-inf ...
[23:03] < daja77> how many packages broke in your last build?
[23:03] < rxr> erhm ...
[23:03] < rxr> dum di du di dum di du
[23:03] < daja77> ashamed?
[23:04] < rxr> the latest checkins broke quite much in kasc and nikolaus rep
[23:04] < rxr> so the number got up to over 100
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[23:05] < daja77> mhmm doesn't bother me much, don't need the games
[23:05] < rxr> we got it down to under 60 now I think
[23:05] < rxr> 98% of the serious packages should be ok
[23:06] < daja77> hehe
[23:06] < rxr> or even more ...
[23:09] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/2.0.0.html
[23:09] < daja77> damn it seems I have to do a svn up once more
[23:12] < daja77> ui stage 3
[23:15]   daja77 votes for removing the title dipl-inf from people using outlook
[23:15] < daja77> perl5 still fails?
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[23:32] < daja77> wb kasc
[23:45] < daja77> *yawn* I'll go now, stage 5 reached btw ;)
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Mon May 05 00:00:44 2003