-!- Irrsi  Log opened Mon May 05 00:00:44 2003
[00:01] < rxr> daja77: perl5 should not fail (IIRC)
[00:01] < daja77> it did...
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[00:05] < daja77> rxr: the build itself was fine, but problems with postinstall hook
[00:05] < daja77> anyway have to go to bed now, cu
[00:13] < rxr> cu daja77
[00:22] < mlw> cu daja77
[00:37] < esden> hi all
[00:38] < tsa> hm..
[00:38] < tsa> [mlw] ([email protected])
[00:38] < tsa> i hope you're not really using root..
[00:41] < mlw> tsa : live dangerous.
[00:41] < _NULL_> gn7
[00:42] < _NULL_> aeh. gn0 i mean
[00:42] < _NULL_> *AAAAAAAAAARGH* gn8
[00:43] < esden> lool ... good night _NULL_
[00:43] < esden> tsa: do you know/have nice exploits for that? :->
[00:43] < tsa> esden: hehe
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[00:44] < tsa> hm....
[00:44] < esden> hmpf
[00:44]   tsa giggles
[00:44] < esden> tsa: we scared him/her out ...
[00:44] < tsa> seems so..
[00:48] < esden> does anyone of you have vmware running on rocklinux?
[00:50] < tsa> not currently..
[00:51] < esden> hmpf ... I installed it but it says that it is not propperly configured even though I have run vmware-config.pl
[00:51] < esden> and when I want to rerun it it hangs
[00:51] < esden> without giving any output
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[00:52] < esden> hi ringo
[00:52] < ringo> hi esden now I am not r00t user ...
[00:53] < esden> good ;-)
[00:53] < esden> well done
[00:57] < ringo> thx
[01:00] < rxr> hi esden tsa ;-)
[01:00] < tsa> hi rxr
[01:00] < rxr> what do you both think abou my just halfly done reconstruction at:
[01:00] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/
[01:01] < esden> hi rxr
[01:01] < rxr> esden: I used vmware (latest beta) with 2.4.20 - but it does not work with my current 2.4.21-rc1 kernel
[01:02] < esden> humm ... ok ... I have a full 3.2.0 version here ...
[01:02] < esden> I will test the beta
[01:03] < rxr> esden: cliff has some rolling rock article about vmware ...
[01:03] < rxr> and make sure teh device node is created the vmware stuff doesn't seem to be devfs aware ...
[01:03] < esden> ack
[01:04] < tsa> rxr: your screenshots suck, but the site looks ok....did i ever mention i don't like KDE? ;-))
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[01:05] < rxr> tsa: yes - the screenshot page is slightly puzzled - I'm currently still soring the content ...
[01:06] < rxr> tsa: ACK - but I think KDE is the DE with the cleanest code, best structured, ...
[01:06] < esden> tsa: do not say anything against my dualhead screenshot! >_<
[01:06] < esden> it is not KDE
[01:07] < tsa> rxr: i've heard lots of bad things about KDE coding style, but never had a look myself.
[01:07] < tsa> i've had a look at gnome sources, though.
[01:07] < tsa> awful.
[01:08] < tsa> (and gnome 2.x is too much eye-candy for me)
[01:08] < rxr> jups - kde is magnitudes cleaner coded
[01:09] < rxr> (and I used Gtk-- for GSMP myself - but we throw this away in favour of EVAS)
[01:09] < tsa> i'm using gnome 1.4 here - basically only the panel and galeon..
[01:10] < tsa> ctwm at work.
[01:10] < esden> rxr: hehe
[01:10] < esden> rxr: but why not ewl?
[01:11] < tsa> what's ewl?
[01:11] < rxr> esden: it does not fit our needs ...
[01:11] < esden> tsa: widget set based on evas, ecore and the other libs from e17
[01:11] < tsa> hm........
[01:11] < tsa> ......
[01:12] < esden> ?
[01:12] < esden> lots of dots ... hmm
[01:17] < Lorini> hi all
[01:17] < Lorini> and re
[01:17] < tsa> hi Lorini
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[01:23] < ringo> n8 all
[01:23]   ringo is away: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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[01:41] < esden> good night everyone
[01:43] < ringo78> n8 esden
[01:44] < tsa> cu esden
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[02:21] < rxr> erhm - I'm getting crazy !!!
[02:22] < rxr> some recent change merged from cliff broke the whole treee
[02:22] < rxr> how should I get a -beta out with another broken thing slipping into the tree each day ?!?
[02:23]   rxr reverting the lateast pkg_* fluff
[02:29] < rxr> Committed revision 113.
[02:35] < tsa> n8
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[02:53] < rxr> 02:57:05 up 1 day,  2:34,  2 users,  load average: 2.93, 2.44, 1.84
[02:54] < rxr> Linux version 2.5.68 (root@jackson) (gcc version 3.2.2) #2 Sun May 4 00:20:13 CEST 2003
[02:54] < rxr> I guess it would die sooner -but not a single prob so far :-( and much smoother than 2.4.21-rc1 ...
[02:54] < rxr> n8 cu
[02:57] < george> hi there.
[02:58] < george> rxr: did you had the time to look into svn auth management?
[03:00] < rxr> george: jups - need to be done via pre-commit hooks
[03:00] < rxr> I'll do this soon
[03:01] < rxr> Linus Torvalds <to Linux 2.5.69
[03:02] < rxr> NOTE! As of this release I think I'll want to have patches either be
[03:02] < rxr> _really_ obvious, or they should go through one of more people for
[03:02] < rxr> approval. In particular, I'm hoping that the paperwork stuff with Andrew
[03:02] < rxr> should be getting closer to finalized, and that we could start moving over
[03:02] < rxr> towards a 2.6.x release schedule..
[03:02] < rxr> Linus
[03:02] < george> rxr: I stumbled across some scripts in the source tar, that are not installed,
[03:02] < george> namely subversion/tools/hook-scripts/commit-access-control*
[03:03] < rxr> jups - they have some templates / examples in the tar-ball
[03:04] < george> perhaps with a new homepage we could also have a patches database?
[03:04] < rxr> ok - cu today (after some sleep)
[03:04] < george> do so
[03:04] < rxr> cu
[03:04] < rxr> n8
[03:05] < george> I'll donna align my damned laser, no sleep in sight...
[03:05] < george> cu
[03:05] < george> n8
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[06:50] < blindcoder> moin
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[06:59] < Brainbeer> anyone here?
[07:00] < blindcoder> wore or less
[07:00] < Brainbeer> ok..got a question about rock linux
[07:01] < Brainbeer> is it better to download an iso or build from source?
[07:01] < Brainbeer> btw Im new to source based distros
[07:01] < blindcoder> if you do't have a running ROCK Linux and/or a slow machine, get an iso
[07:02] < Brainbeer> ok, im getting rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.6.0pre3.iso
[07:02] < Brainbeer> is that a good one to get?
[07:03] < blindcoder> don't use 1.6.0 it's deprecated.
[07:03] < Brainbeer> so which do i use?
[07:03] < blindcoder> Use a 1.7 ISO if available or wait a ffew weeks until 2.0 is released
[07:04] < blindcoder> 1.6 is missing a lot of things that are in 2.0 (stability, for one)
[07:04] < Brainbeer> it says on the sit 1.7 is unstable
[07:04] < blindcoder> it's called "unstable" but de facto it is more stable than the 1.6 branch ATM
[07:04] < Brainbeer> ok, ill get that one then
[07:06] < Brainbeer> im not able to get it
[07:06] < blindcoder> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/2.0-00-Technology-Preview2/
[07:06] < blindcoder> there it is
[07:07] < blindcoder> dunno why it hasn't been uploaded to iso.rocklinux.de
[07:07] < Brainbeer> cool..ty
[07:07] < blindcoder> np
[07:08] < Brainbeer> should i get the 2.0 or the 1.7?
[07:08] < Brainbeer> im used to mandrake so im still unsure about some tings
[07:10] < blindcoder> 1.7 will become 2.0 once stable
[07:10] < blindcoder> should be within a few weeks
[07:10] < Brainbeer> ok
[07:10] < Brainbeer> so go with 1.7 for now?
[07:10] < blindcoder> actually was scheduled for release last month, but got delayed (of course :) by some packages
[07:10] < blindcoder> yes
[07:11] < Brainbeer> ok..im getting both cds now...
[07:11] < Brainbeer> are there any docs on the site?
[07:11] < Brainbeer> on installation or configuration?
[07:11] < blindcoder> mom
[07:12] < Brainbeer> nevermind
[07:12] < Brainbeer> i didnt look good enough the first time
[07:12] < blindcoder> okay :)
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[08:42] < rxr> blindcoder: NO!
[08:42] < rxr> which ISO do you download ?
[08:42] < rxr> the 1.7-19c3 are outdated
[08:42] < rxr> the 2.0.0-alpha is _oviously_ the latestst !!!
[08:43] < blindcoder> that was the 2.0.0
[08:43] < blindcoder> the one I linked
[08:43] < blindcoder> TP2 aka Night Vision
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[08:46] < rxr> erh - a yes (I have not scrolled back enought)
[08:47] < rxr> there was a -beta after this ...
[08:47] < rxr> :-(
[08:47] < blindcoder> no problem :)
[08:49] < rxr> yeah - but the beta is much smoother to install and has many bug-fixes
[08:49] < blindcoder> hmm... maybe I didn't read it on the list...
[08:50] < blindcoder> or just forgot it >_<
[09:02] < daja77> re
[09:08] < netrunner> moin
[09:10] < daja77> moin netrunner
[09:13]   daja77 goin to work cu
[09:13] < netrunner> cu daja
[09:29] < _NULL_> morning
[09:31] < blindcoder> moin nully
[09:32] < netrunner> wonderful. now build failed because of no space left. I seem to try every possible error ;)
[09:32] < _NULL_> *lol* poor netrunner
[09:33] < blindcoder> netrunner: then please report the bug. maybe someone is able to fix it by sending you a 80GB hard disk :D
[09:33] < netrunner> is there a script that removes old versions in download/ ?
[09:33] < esden> morning
[09:34] < blindcoder> ./scripts-Domnload -list-missing | tr ' ' '^I' | cut -f3 | xargs rm -rf
[09:34] < netrunner> hi esden, get up to mrs steger! ;)
[09:34] < blindcoder> moin esden
[09:34] < netrunner> thx blind
[09:34] < blindcoder> netrunner: replace ^I by a tab (^V<tab>)
[09:34] < esden> netrunner: >_<
[09:35] < _NULL_> hi esden
[09:35] < esden> I am in some minutes on my way to her .... with a big fat book ... MUAHAHAHA
[09:35] < blindcoder> esden: to smash it on her head? :D
[09:35] < esden> blindcoder: ack
[09:36] < _NULL_> esden: whois mrs steger?
[09:36] < esden> my DS2 professor
[09:37] < _NULL_> DS2?
[09:38] < netrunner> null: discrete structures.
[09:38] < blindcoder> esden: you still haven't given up on studying? :D
[09:38] < netrunner> null: about gambling an catching trains ;)
[09:39] < _NULL_> *lol*
[09:39] < blindcoder> esden: btw.: Online Banking is fully functional atm :D
[09:40] < esden> blindcoder: :P ... but I still have only 8 eur on my bank account
[09:41] < blindcoder> esden: hmm... okay >_<
[09:42] < esden> how high is the probability that owl will get train today ...
[09:42] < esden> that is something what mrs steger could answer ...
[09:42] < blindcoder> he, even _I_ can answer ths
[09:43] < esden> and?
[09:43] < blindcoder> hell, everyone who had to go by Deutsche Bahn for 2 months could answer this
[09:43] < esden> hehe
[09:43] < _NULL_> esden: it's very, very bad... because i already missed two trains today... and the 3rd will fail - for sure. or will be delayed for hours
[09:43] < _NULL_> blindcoder: ack
[09:44] < esden> ok ... I am off you train junkies ;-)
[09:44] < _NULL_> have fun, esden :p cya
[09:44] < blindcoder> bye esdi
[09:51] < netrunner> ok, I guess I'll give him company :) bye
[09:52] < _NULL_> have fun, too, netrunner - bye
[09:57] < blindcoder> okay just reached EOF (End of Fruehstueck [breakfast])
[09:58] < _NULL_> tststs
[09:58] < fake> mornin
[09:59] < _NULL_> hi fake
[09:59] < blindcoder> moin fake
[09:59] < blindcoder> *MUAHAHAHA*
[09:59] < blindcoder> https://bash.org/?370
[10:00] < _NULL_> .oO(why did i expect a bash.org url from blindcoder ? )
[10:01] < fake> blindcoder : *rofl* good one
[10:01] < fake> i am with stupid
[10:01] < blindcoder> _NULL_: beats me :)
[10:02] < fake> uh, havin' a cigarette
[10:03] < fake> SMP: you here?
[10:17] < Lorini> moin moin
[10:23] < rxr> moin Lorini
[10:25] < _NULL_> hi rxr
[10:28] < blindcoder> moin Lori
[10:28] < blindcoder> damn... I h8 stupid customers >_<
[10:30] < Lorini> moin rxr, blindcoder
[10:48] < fake> hi Lorini, rxr
[11:00] < Lorini> great. i just threw a bottle of milk over my desk..
[11:02] < blindcoder> https://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-999509.html <-- sorry, but that's just sic
[11:02] < blindcoder> k
[11:03] < blindcoder> okay, I'm off to lunch now. bbl
[11:21] < blindcoder> back
[11:47] < daja77> re
[11:48] < Lorini> re
[11:49] < daja77> hi Lorini
[11:50] < daja77> my machine at home hung up connection >_<
[12:00] < _NULL_> <-- going to die (aka: office meeting) bbl (or maybe not)
[12:24] < daja77> *lool*  Montag, 5. Mai: SuSE@GIGA HELP
[12:24] < blindcoder> daja77: that fits together :D
[12:24] < daja77> ack
[12:25]   daja77 just found out that he is still subscribed to suse announce list >_<
[12:25] < blindcoder> hehe
[12:25] < blindcoder> I ocassionally read suse-user :)
[12:26]   daja77 gets suse-security
[12:26] < daja77> blindcoder: why, for fun?
[12:26] < blindcoder> daja77: yes. Nothing like a good flame-war reading every now and then
[12:27] < daja77> ack that's why I sometimes read de.comp.security.firewall
[12:28] < daja77> full of zonealarm and norton idiots
[12:28] < blindcoder> hmm... would have to install a newsreader for that :D
[12:28] < daja77> get slrn, it's cool, or use google
[12:29] < daja77> Live im GIGA HELP-Studio: SuSE-Supporter
[12:29] < daja77> Hendrik Vogelsang.
[12:29] < blindcoder> I've heard that name before
[12:30] < daja77> yeah I just can't remember a face
[12:30]   daja77 would like to see lmb there *har har*
[12:50]   daja77 decided to buy a mp3 player only if it has ogg support
[12:50] < blindcoder> that would make it an ogg player, wouldn't it?
[12:51] < daja77> *rotfl* there is a tag to crash ie
[12:51] < daja77> blindcoder: there is at least one player which can do both
[12:51] < blindcoder> yeah
[12:51] < blindcoder> daja77: sweet. link?
[12:51] < daja77> it's heise, anyway?
[12:52] < daja77> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/wst-03.05.03-001/
[12:53] < blindcoder> I meant the player :)
[12:53] < daja77> hehe ok *searching*
[12:55] < daja77> https://www.neurosaudio.com/
[12:57] < _NULL_> re
[12:58] < _NULL_> <-- not dead ;p
[12:59] < daja77> blindcoder: what do you think?
[13:00] < blindcoder> daja77: I might buy it in spring if the VaporWare turns into SoftWare
[13:00] < blindcoder> wb _NULL_
[13:00] < daja77> blindcoder: ack
[13:01] < daja77> the funny thing is that that other vendors promised ogg support right after their announcement *g*
[13:01] < blindcoder> muahaha
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[13:34] < esden> re hi all
[13:34] < _NULL_> re esden
[13:34] < daja77> hi esden
[13:34] < blindcoder> wb esden
[13:35] < esden> puhh ... it was not a car I drive in, it was a oven
[13:35] < blindcoder> muahaha
[13:35] < esden> at least it is not yet hot in my cell ;-)
[13:35] < esden> blindcoder: you have klima in your car so shut up
[13:36]   daja77 has klima at work
[13:36] < esden> my uni is also beeing klimatized or how it is spelled
[13:36] < daja77> air conditioned
[13:36] < esden> ahh yes
[13:37]   esden getting of his shoues so get some gas masks guys
[13:37]   daja77 grabs a gasmask
[13:37]   blindcoder closes his windews at the other end of the city esden currently is in
[13:38] < daja77> damn kernel compiles takes that long
[13:38] < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... the people on the street are all falling to earth ... strange ...
[13:38] < _NULL_> <-- meeting
[13:39] < daja77> _NULL_: again?
[13:39] < blindcoder> esden: MUAHAHAHA
[13:39] < esden> daja77: _NULL_ is an importaint person ...
[13:39] < daja77> ahh yess, good to know
[13:44] < esden> hmm ... I really do not know what to say to the redesign topic ...
[13:44] < esden> I think I simply wait till it is done ... ;-)
[13:44]   netrunner is in class without shoes ... and lots of space to left and right *gg*
[13:44] < esden> and shut up
[13:44] < esden> netrunner: tztztz
[13:45] < esden> netrunner: so that was that strange smell in the uni ;-)
[13:45] < netrunner> esden: .. and the reason why you skipped bs, hey? ;)
[13:46]   netrunner -> home, prof feels sick ;)
[13:46] < esden> I was there ... but I left because someone called me and I thought that it was importaint ... and as I already left I went home
[13:46] < esden> netrunner: lool
[13:47] < esden> netrunner: and I heared this bm menagment stuff already last year ...
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[13:50] < esden> hmm ... interesting ... I have mp3's I was not aware of ... nice
[13:50] < daja77> esden: tell me more
[13:50] < blindcoder> dammit... he noticed the FTP-loopback-connection :P
[13:51] < esden> DJ Arne L II - Grave Diggers have more fun
[13:51] < esden> it is techno
[13:51] < esden> groove trance I would say
[13:51] < daja77> oh no
[13:51] < esden> daja77: :P
[13:52] < esden> daja77: if you come to RLDM you will hear enough techno ... ;-)
[13:52] < esden> clifford likes it too ;-)
[13:52]   daja77 thinks over it...
[13:53] < esden> daja77: belive me you will survive that
[13:53] < esden> daja77: and there are other things that make much more fun ... like discussing rock issues
[13:54] < daja77> hehe ok
[13:55] < daja77> you mean talking about that broken tree...
[13:56] < esden> o_O
[13:56] < daja77> aka rock linux
[13:57] < esden> :P
[13:57] < esden> why broken?
[13:57] < daja77> do I really have to explain
[13:58] < esden> yes it seems so
[13:58] < daja77> WEEEE kernel package builds with modified rtai patch
[13:58] < esden> daja77: congrats
[13:59] < daja77> thx
[14:00] < esden> outside of rock on inside?
[14:00] < daja77> ??
[14:00] < esden> you compiled with ./scripts/Build-Pkg or make bzImage?
[14:01] < daja77> ./scripts/Build-Pkg
[14:01] < esden> ahh good
[14:01]   esden updating his tree
[14:01] < daja77> ahem i haven't committed anything
[14:01] < esden> yes I know ;-)
[14:02] < esden> when will you commit?
[14:02] < daja77> hmm dunno, working on rtai package right now
[14:05] < daja77> rtai package still breaks >_<
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[14:08] < rxr> an reburning the yet to be released -beta the 12th time ..
[14:08] < daja77> hi rxr
[14:10] < esden> hi rxr
[14:10] < esden> rxr: cdrw?
[14:10] < rxr> this -beta thing gets me crazy ... I never needed soo many test-circles to produce an working ISO :-(
[14:10] < rxr> esden: sure !
[14:10] < esden> rxr: somehow I can not burn cdrw >_<
[14:10] < esden> they are empty after the burn
[14:10] < rxr> i would use vmware - but it is broken here again ...
[14:11] < rxr> esden: I have other problems - sometimes the cdrw can not be blanked again ...
[14:11] < rxr> (no not a high-speed issue)
[14:11] < esden> hmm ...
[14:11] < esden> ok ... I take a shower
[14:11] < rxr> but this only seems to happen with expensive quality media
[14:11] < rxr> I only buy the cheapest now - and they all worked ...
[14:12] < rxr> cu esden
[14:12] < daja77> hehe
[14:12] < esden> rxr: I bought the cheepest cdrw's I could find and they are not working too
[14:12] < esden> realy strange ...
[14:12] < rxr> I never had problems - expect this orange forum embargo media is not correctly recognized thing :-(
[14:13] < kasc> moin
[14:13] < daja77> hi kasc
[14:13] < kasc> *tropf*
[14:13] < kasc> hi daja77
[14:13]   daja77 getting a drink
[14:13] < kasc> kann mal einer die Sonne ausschalten? nur für'n Stündchen oder so...
[14:14] < daja77> no our sun doesn't provide such a feature
[14:14]   daja77 read in Starship Titanic about a sun with an off switch
[14:15] < rxr> ENOFILE /dev/sun ?
[14:16]   daja77 has same noisy people in his lab now >_<
[14:17] < daja77> *lol* one guy has a pippi langstrumpf mobile ring tune
[14:18] < esden> re
[14:18] < daja77> wb esden
[14:18]   esden reaches a role of gaffatape over to daja77
[14:19] < daja77> esden: why?
[14:19] < daja77> ah to keep them shut, nice
[14:19] < esden> kasc: sorry ... I am not able to that ... I have not yet hacked into the world controle mainframe
[14:23] < esden> *cry* nooo gcc got updated
[14:23] < esden> please tell me that it is not true *cry*
[14:25] < blindcoder> esden: it's not true
[14:26] < blindcoder> daja77: I don't know what's worse. The fact that he has such a tone, or the fact that you recognised it :D
[14:28] < esden> blindcoder: thanks
[14:31] < daja77> esden: now you know what I mean, hehe
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[14:31] < daja77> blindcoder: I only know it by accident
[14:32] < blindcoder> daja77: okay, I rest my casle :)
[14:33] < blindcoder> s/l//g
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[14:35]   daja77 digging through ERR-LOG
[14:38] < rxr> so this seems to be -beta (final)
[14:39] < daja77> rxr: so I might check out your tree here and merging my stuff into it, if I found the errors
[14:40] < esden> the only intelligent use of the html <BLINK> tag: Schroedingers cat is <BLINK>NOT</BLINK> dead.
[14:40] < _NULL_> wtf do you have with schroedinger?
[14:41] < daja77> esden: lol
[14:41] < esden> _NULL_: he rulez!
[14:41] < _NULL_> esden: ah. k.
[14:41]   esden editing his .signature
[14:42] < blindcoder> _NULL_: he ha[sd] a cute cat
[14:42] < esden> hmm this saturday is rootboard ...
[14:43] < esden> blindcoder: you should write: he ha[sd] a cute pussy
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[14:44] < blindcoder> esden: hehe
[14:44] < daja77> wb Lorini
[14:45] < _NULL_> blindcoder: k.
[14:45]   daja77 throws the spider he just found at _NULL_
[14:45] < _NULL_> daja77: *kick*
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[14:45] < _NULL_> hi n00kie_
[14:46] < daja77> _NULL_: don't like spiders
[14:46] < n00kie_> Hi _NULL_
[14:46] < daja77> hey n00kie_
[14:46] < n00kie_> holla daja77
[14:47]   daja77 had a plastic spider at school for the girls he disliked
[14:48]   netrunner distributed homebrew nude-pics of the girls he disliked ;)
[14:48] < daja77> netrunner: url?
[14:49] < esden> netrunner: url?
[14:49] < netrunner> daja: to long ago, they're all gone in one of my hd crashes
[14:49] < esden> netrunner: you suck ;-)
[14:49]   blindcoder teaches netrunner the meaning of "backups" with a kluestik
[14:49] < esden> blindcoder: it is called lart ;-)
[14:50] < netrunner> I still suspect rock to have broken my last hd
[14:50] < blindcoder> esden: both are appropriate terms. Although Big Foam Kluestik sounds better and is also understandable for non-geeks (no offense intended :D)
[14:50] < esden> netrunner: the reason always sits in front of the computer ;-)
[14:51] < netrunner> esden: pebkac
[14:51] < netrunner> daja: but if you're in need of nude pics ... I have like a ton of moving pics here :)
[14:52] < esden> netrunner: he wants preteen ;-)
[14:52] < daja77> netrunner: I was only interested which girls you don't liked, you know *g*
[14:53] < daja77> esden: yeah I like unborn...
[14:53]   n00kie_ doesn't likes FDisk.
[14:53] < daja77> bash sucks
[14:54] < n00kie_> Fdisk sucks
[14:54] < n00kie_> damn program
[14:54] < daja77> n00kie_: fdisk rules
[14:54] < blindcoder> cfdisk
[14:54] < n00kie_> fdisk cfdisk flamewar
[14:54] < n00kie_> i like cfdisk
[14:54] < daja77> blindcoder: wimp
[14:54] < n00kie_> well
[14:54] < blindcoder> daja77: a wimp that hasn't lost any partitions and data yet :P
[14:55] < n00kie_> well daja77
[14:55]   daja77 neither without cfdisk
[14:55] < n00kie_> Can you tell me, how I can create a partition on "partition0" ?
[14:55] < daja77> O_o
[14:55] < n00kie_> when i type in
[14:55] < n00kie_> "reinit"
[14:55] < n00kie_> it creates the partition on 3
[14:56] < daja77> reinit which fdisk you are talking about
[14:56]   netrunner switches to summer mode: room aircon, vents, closedndarked windows
[14:56] < n00kie_> Ah :)
[14:56] < n00kie_> I have it
[14:56] < n00kie_> wow
[14:56] < n00kie_> I'm god :)
[14:56] < daja77> muhahahahaha
[14:57]   blindcoder starts Ragnaroek and kills n00kie_
[14:57] < n00kie_> well, i like cfdisk more than fdisk
[14:57]   esden needs air conditioning for his cell
[15:00]   blindcoder going home. baba
[15:00] < n00kie_> Bye blindcoder
[15:00] < daja77> bye blindcoder
[15:01] < n00kie_> daja77: Can you tell me, how I can change the "disklabel" of my hdd ?
[15:01] < rxr> hm - strange that my 2.5 box is still online:
[15:01] < rxr> 15:04:29 up 1 day, 14:41,  2 users,  load average: 2.76, 1.39, 0.70
[15:01] < daja77> disklabel, bsd?
[15:01] < n00kie_> yes
[15:01] < n00kie_> i wanna try
[15:02] < daja77> which bsd?
[15:02] < n00kie_> openbsd3.3
[15:02] < n00kie_> i thought this is a question to fdisk
[15:02] < daja77> hmm I did it once, but can't remember
[15:02] < n00kie_> oh :(
[15:03] < n00kie_> The guys in #openbsd are much bad
[15:03] < daja77> i just don't get these bash errors
[15:04] < n00kie_> Hmm
[15:04] < daja77> n00kie_: lol
[15:04] < daja77> n00kie_: is theo there?
[15:05] < n00kie_> i dont know
[15:05] < n00kie_> openbsd is bad
[15:05] < n00kie_> everything from openbsd is bad
[15:05] < n00kie_> i hate openbsd
[15:05] < daja77> n00kie_: you know why openbsd exists
[15:05] < n00kie_> To use damn fdisk
[15:05] < n00kie_> :)
[15:06] < n00kie_> well
[15:06] < n00kie_> I will create the partitions under cfdisk
[15:07] < daja77> bah reading lots of hot air in subversion book
[15:09] < esden> ok ... I am off
[15:09] < n00kie_> daja77 Why didn't you like cfdisk?
[15:09] < n00kie_> Bye esden  :)
[15:09] < daja77> bye esden
[15:09] < esden> buying cards for Matrix Reloaded and then swimming ;-)
[15:09] < n00kie_> hi jtburn
[15:10] < daja77> n00kie_: it has an awful user interface
[15:10] < n00kie_> bah ;)
[15:10] < n00kie_> zbut, other users, other "geschmaecker" ;)
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[15:17] < Mike1> hi n00kie
[15:17] < Mike1> moin all.
[15:18] < daja77> moin Mike1
[15:18] < Mike1> hi daja77
[15:23] < n00kie> Holla Mike1 :)
[15:23] < Mike1> n00kie: _HOLA_ :)
[15:23] < daja77> *rofl*
[15:24] < Mike1> daja77: de que te ries tu? :P
[15:25] < daja77> Mike1: I am wondering almost two weeks how long it takes until one of the spanish people correct n00kie
[15:25] < Mike1> daja77: well here i am :)
[15:26] < n00kie> Hola Mike1 :)
[15:30] < rolla> re
[15:30] < daja77> hi rolla
[15:30] < Mike1> n00kie: see it wasn't very hard to say 'hola' :)
[15:30] < Mike1> moin rolla
[15:34] < n00kie> well, hard enough for me Mike1 :)
[15:34] < Mike1> n00kie: hehe, but the good thing is that you learned
[15:34] < Mike1> n00kie: no you have to pronounce my last name :))
[15:35] < Mike1> Bolanos ---> there is a ~ over the n btw :))
[15:35] < jtburn_> Mike1: spelling? no problem :)
[15:35] < n00kie> I think it gets speaked "bolan[i]os"?
[15:35] < n00kie> s/speaked/spoke
[15:36] < Mike1> more or less
[15:36] < Mike1> jtburn_: locales problem :)
[15:36] < jtburn_> :)
[15:37] < n00kie> Bolaños
[15:37] < n00kie> :)
[15:37] < Mike1> ack :)
[15:37] < n00kie> Heh Mike1
[15:38] < jtburn_> greetz to ascii *g*
[15:38] < daja77> Mike1: the n drops out?
[15:38] < Mike1> ack
[15:38] < daja77> strange
[15:38] < n00kie> How do you speak Bolaños, Mike1?
[15:38] < Mike1> btw /me hates this long god damns spanish names
[15:39] < n00kie> I would like have a name like Bolaños
[15:39] < n00kie> I hate "daniel"
[15:39] < Mike1> n00kie: why so?
[15:39] < daja77> n00kie: thx
[15:39] < Mike1> hahahahahahaha
[15:40] < Mike1> n00kie: du hasse daja77?
[15:40] < n00kie> daja77: No, your daniel is beautifuller than my daniel :)
[15:40] < n00kie> Mike1: Nein, ich mag daja77 sehr gerne.
[15:40] < daja77> n00kie: slimer :p
[15:40] < n00kie> well, its not sliming
[15:40] < n00kie> Just a real word
[15:41] < n00kie> I like much people in here :)
[15:41]   daja77 feels honored
[15:41] < Mike1> n00kie: do you like daja77?
[15:41] < n00kie> yes Mike1
[15:41] < jtburn_> n00kie: are u in love ?
[15:41] < n00kie> No.
[15:41] < daja77> *argh* sun shines on my monitor
[15:41] < n00kie> like != love
[15:42] < jtburn_> I know, It only was a question
[15:42]   Mike1 is in love.... to his GF of course :)
[15:43] < daja77> jtburn_: like != love
[15:43] < n00kie> gf ? geforce? ;)
[15:43] < daja77> yeah
[15:43] < Mike1> Girl friend :)
[15:43] < n00kie> i know ;)
[15:43]   jtburn_ eat his apple, and is look and learning to this chan :)
[15:44] < daja77> jtburn_: pay us
[15:44] < n00kie> Mike1: Yeaah, I love my computer too :)
[15:44] < jtburn_> how ? 0190 666 666 ???
[15:44] < daja77> hehe sure
[15:45] < Mike1> n00kie: belive it or not, i have a real gf... quite a great think for a geek... :)
[15:46] < n00kie> yep, I'll believe you :)
[15:46] < Mike1> jtburn_: what do you want to learn about?
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[15:46] < Mike1> n00kie: good.
[15:46] < jtburn_> Mike1: speaking english
[15:46] < Mike1> jtburn_: ah sounds good :)
[15:46] < jtburn_> :)
[15:47] < n00kie> come on 10th may to #rocklinux-talk, jtburn_
[15:47] < Mike1> jtburn_: you will learn good linux stuff here too, this guys are damn good.
[15:47] < n00kie> There is a german chat :)
[15:47] < Mike1> jtburn_: newbies like me learn a lot here.
[15:47] < n00kie> yep, and me is the newbie out of us :(
[15:47] < n00kie> s/me is/I am
[15:48] < Mike1> n00kie: i am truely a newbie, ask daja77 if you don't belive me.
[15:48] < daja77> lol
[15:51] < jtburn_> Before you are going to Battle each other: I'm the newbiest men on chan
[15:51] < daja77> battle, where?
[15:51] < n00kie> No, I
[15:51] < n00kie> s/battle/flamewar
[15:51] < daja77> anyone wann fight me *har har*
[15:52] < jtburn_> daja77: I want to fight... in a verbal way :)
[15:53] < jtburn_> only :)
[15:53] < n00kie> You can get SARS is you only touch something which is "infected" by sars
[15:54] < jtburn_> sorry I'm stupid :(
[15:55] < n00kie> no
[15:55] < n00kie> you're not
[15:55] < n00kie> nobody is stupid
[15:55] < n00kie> not in here
[15:55] < jtburn_> :)
[15:58]   Mike1 -=[ ROCK Linux Spanish Chat - June 9th @ #rocklinux-talk, mail [email protected] if you have questions about the event ]=-
[15:58] < rolla> ah
[15:59] < rolla> all spainish ;)
[15:59] < Mike1> ack :)
[15:59] < rolla> futebol
[15:59] < Mike1> rolla: its your chance to improve it.
[15:59] < rolla> ha ha
[15:59] < Mike1> (futbol)
[15:59] < rolla> I don't speak or read a lick of it
[15:59] < n00kie> well
[15:59] < n00kie> I can talk to evreyone
[15:59] < n00kie> "Hola"
[15:59] < n00kie> :)
[15:59] < daja77> new luser added at work
[15:59] < n00kie> I'm good in spanish
[16:00] < n00kie> Hola
[16:00]   Mike1 imagines n00kie greeting everyone again, and again, again :))
[16:00] < rolla> como
[16:01] < n00kie> Bien, cómo  usted tienen gusto de mi español, Mike1? Está como
[16:01] < n00kie> bueno, como el tuyo, o mucho malo? Dígame:)
[16:02] < n00kie> Mike1: Then everyone thinks "Ahh, n00kie is the greet bot" ;)
[16:02] < rolla> ö
[16:02] < Mike1> n00kie: i think your translator sucks a bit :)
[16:03] < n00kie> It was a try worth :)
[16:03] < Mike1> n00kie: but if you are willing to learn, i could teach you some
[16:04]   daja77 admits not to speak spanish without hiding behind babelfish
[16:04] < n00kie> yes, please Mike1!
[16:05] < n00kie> I wanna learn spanish :)
[16:06] < Mike1> Quiero aprender espa(n+~)ol
[16:06] < Mike1> :)
[16:06] < Mike1> damn locales.
[16:06] < n00kie> do you use english/german (;)) locales?
[16:06] < Mike1> english..
[16:06] < Mike1> n00kie: this box is temporary running rh..
[16:07] < daja77> this one too
[16:07] < n00kie> "I want to learn spanish"
[16:07] < n00kie> :)
[16:07] < Mike1> i need a rock iso to use on my workstation so badly
[16:07] < Mike1> n00kie: "Yo quiero aprender espanol"
[16:08] < n00kie> Es duro aprender español?
[16:08] < Mike1> n00kie: s/duro/dificil
[16:08] < jtburn_> oh a lot of spanish people here, kewl :)
[16:08] < Mike1> n00kie: not that hard (no tan dificil)
[16:08] < n00kie> Es dificil aprender español?
[16:08] < daja77> jtburn_: at the moment only one...
[16:08] < Mike1> jtburn_: sure :)
[16:08] < n00kie> dificil == dificult ?
[16:08] < Mike1> n00kie: ack
[16:09] < n00kie> Well, do you wanna learn german, Mike1?
[16:09] < Mike1> ja.
[16:09] < jtburn_> I think spai is a kewl but a hot country (I hope you understand what I mean)
[16:09] < jtburn_> +n
[16:09] < Mike1> jtburn_: sure i do.
[16:09] < jtburn_> :)
[16:09] < daja77> jtburn_: Mike1 is not in spain :P
[16:10] < Mike1> *g
[16:10] < jtburn_> where then ?
[16:10] < n00kie> Soy n00kie que tengo gusto del linux tengo gusto de deportes tengo
[16:10] < n00kie> gusto de español
[16:10] < Mike1> iceland
[16:10] < daja77> yeah ;)
[16:10] < n00kie> he is escimo
[16:10] < daja77> n00kie: inuit :p
[16:10] < jtburn_> ohhhhhhh cool.... very coool :)
[16:10] < jtburn_> HeHe
[16:10] < Mike1> jtburn_: jk I am in Costa Rica
[16:10] < Mike1> :)
[16:10] < daja77> jtburn_: /whois Mike1 ;)
[16:11] < Mike1> daja77: well you should not trust whois
[16:11] < daja77> Mike1: ack, but in this case
[16:11] < n00kie> i always thought "cr" means croatia
[16:12] < daja77> hehe
[16:12] < n00kie> could be
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[16:12] < Mike2> in what case daja77 ?
[16:12] < jtburn_> ok, there's optimal cooling for your cpu in a Icehole :)
[16:12] < n00kie> IP index, 66.136.183.233 :)
[16:13] < Mike2> i could be everywhere :)
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[16:13] < jtburn_> iglu i mean
[16:14] < daja77> lol
[16:14] < daja77> n00kie: croatia is hr
[16:14] < daja77> Mike1: using rolla's account?
[16:15] < Mike1> lol
[16:15] < Mike1> something like that yeah
[16:15] < n00kie> daja77: hr could be hungary ;)
[16:16] < Mike1> daja77: though i have access to several hosts all over the world
[16:16] < n00kie> but hungary is hu
[16:16] < daja77> yes
[16:16] < Mike1> nk could be n00kie
[16:16] < daja77> n00kie: https://www.december.com/html/spec/domcodes.html
[16:16] < daja77> lol
[16:18] < n00kie> nk?
[16:18] < Mike1> n00kie.nk :)
[16:18] < n00kie> n00kie without 00ie? :)
[16:18] < daja77> hongkong
[16:19] < Mike1> kingkong?
[16:20] < daja77> I am not talking of you...
[16:21]   Mike1 grabs his baseball bat, are you talking to me?
[16:21] < daja77> indeed *running away
[16:21] < daja77> *
[16:22] < Mike1> come over here coward
[16:22]   Mike1 phping... brb
[16:24] < n00kie> have fun
[16:24] < Mike1> i am :)
[16:33] < rxr> hi Mike1
[16:33] < Mike1> Good day rxr
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[16:35] < kasc_> re
[16:35] < daja77> re kasc_
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[17:14] < rxr> 2.0.0-beta released (puh - finally)
[17:14] < daja77> congrats
[17:14] < Mike1> wee! :)
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[17:37] < Mike1> https://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/ontheedge_0305.html
[17:37] < Mike1> what enables this? Linux.....
[17:38] < daja77> *argh* what a crap page Mike1
[17:39] < Mike1> daja77: forget about the page and the design, look at the info!
[17:40] < daja77> it opened 6 other windows *damn*
[17:41] < daja77> it is not unlikey that nasa uses linux
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[17:46] < Mike1> hi ringo
[17:46] < ringo> hi Mike1
[17:46] < daja77> yeah hi ringo welcome here
[17:48] < daja77> well $root points to build dir and is available for every package right?
[17:48] < ringo> Mike1: How is UML doing ?
[17:49] < Mike1> UML and hurd are doing good.
[17:50] < Mike1> well uml is in better shape :)
[17:50] < ringo> Thanks Mike1
[17:50] < Mike1> why do you thank me?
[17:51] < ringo> for the infotainment.
[17:51] < Mike1> :))
[17:51] < Mike1> np
[18:07] < rxr> daja77: yes $oot is availble for any pkg
[18:07] < rxr> daja77: Documentation/Developers/PKG-BUILD-VARS
[18:08] < daja77> rxr: ok I found the error I think, isn't related with $root, I just felt unsure
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[18:24] < daja77> *sigh* the rtai build scripts are real crap
[18:26] < praenti> hi
[18:26] < n00kie> daja77: Please don't use that bad words. :)
[18:27] < Mike1> hi praenti
[18:27] < praenti> anybody knows how i put a password in the cvs url for curl?
[18:27] < daja77> n00kie: why not I am old enough for it ;)
[18:27] < daja77> hi praenti
[18:28] < rxr> praenti: curl does not download cvs
[18:30] < praenti> rxr: thx. ok you are right. it is an own implementation i see at the moment
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[18:47] < JTBurn> did anyone know an other  Webserver not apache who is similar to config ???
[18:47] < Mike1> you don't like apache???
[18:48] < JTBurn> apache didn't run on my system
[18:48] < rolla> what do you have?
[18:51]   daja77 is goin cu
[18:51] < JTBurn> the newest version... but its equal how I config the httpd.conf it occoured the same error every time: you no permission to access / on this server ...
[18:52] < JTBurn> and I'm at the end with my knowledge
[18:52] < rolla> hmm so Apache runs but is not configed right
[18:52] < Mike1> JTBurn: maybe you want to 'chmod -R +r .' the dir where the webfiles are located
[18:53] < rolla> also remember that the +indexes must be on if there are no files there
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[18:57] < martin_> Hello ...
[18:58] < JTBurn> The same error ...
[18:58] < n00kie> Mike1: Its not a CHMod Problem
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[19:04] < rolla> damn
[19:16] < n00kie> rolla: what?
[19:20] < ringo> hmm .. Could not connect to host www.rocklinux.de
[19:21]   ringo is back
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[20:20] < _NULL_> hi
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[20:21] < _NULL_> hi tcr
[20:23] < tcr> moin all
[20:29] < tcr> rolla: ping
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[20:30] < tcr> moin tsa
[20:30] < _NULL_> hi tsa
[20:30] < tsa> moin.
[20:32] < rxr> hi tsa
[20:33] < tcr> Hmm
[20:34] < tcr> Just realized that I won't be able to attent neither the vienna meeting nor get a change to come to LinuxTag... what a crap!
[20:35] < _NULL_> oh this means that you and i have no chance to kill eachother.
[20:35] < tcr> _NULL_: I wouldn't ever do that myself. I never get my hands dirty ;)
[20:37] < _NULL_> tcr: so you mean - you send someone to LT and/or vienna to kill me?
[20:37] < tsa> *sigh* the never-ending topic...
[20:37] < _NULL_> tsa: ack
[20:37] < tsa> _NULL_: we will _NOT_ kill you.
[20:38] < tsa> (it's more fun to see you suffer)
[20:38] < tcr> _NULL_: Yeah, if this was my intent, I probably ;)
[20:38] < tcr> would
[20:38]   _NULL_ takes 3 openbsd cds and smashes them onto tcr and tsa
[20:38] < _NULL_> "die bastards"
[20:40] < tcr> tsa: No, it finally turned upsidedown, that means she now seems to got that it's fun after all ;)
[20:45] < _NULL_> tcr: NACK. i just left rock
[20:45] < _NULL_> (more or less)
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[20:48] < Mike1> lier.
[20:48] < JTBurn> re
[20:48] < Mike1> welcome back JTBurn
[20:49] < JTBurn> who was the nice guy which I shall send my httpd.conf ???
[20:49] < rxr> what's going on here ? *kopfshuettel*
[20:49] < _NULL_> Mike1: who is a lier?
[20:50] < Mike1> rxr: ?
[20:50] < JTBurn> Or anybody know my problem and have a solution ? :)
[20:50] < Mike1> JTBurn: you need rolla.
[20:50] < JTBurn> rolla ?
[20:50] < JTBurn> is it a prog or a name ???
[20:51] < _NULL_> name
[20:51] < Mike1> JTBurn: nope, its the guy you were supposed to send your httpd.conf file too
[20:51] < JTBurn> ok. I query him
[20:52] < Mike1> good.
[20:52] < tcr> He seems to be away
[20:52] < Mike1> hi tcr
[20:52] < tcr> moin Mike1
[20:53] < Mike1> _NULL_: you. You need rock, your project would be nothing without it.
[20:53] < _NULL_> Mike1: thx for the compliment!
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[20:54] < Mike1> amazingly sweet as usual :)
[20:54] < tcr> *g* I'm getting redundant on this, damn ;)
[20:55] < JTBurn> Mike1: I think I found the problem: the config-file is empty and I can write into there. but after I start the Apache the file is empty again. what should happen ???
[20:55] < Mike1> i wonder where was my offence to her?
[20:55] < Mike1> she is doing a rock fork, so ofcourse her project is based on rock..
[20:56] < Mike1> JTBurn: the httpd.conf file???
[20:56] < Mike1> 0_o
[20:56] < JTBurn> yes
[20:56] < Mike1> OMG
[20:56] < Mike1> JTBurn: i have hnoestly never seen such thing.
[20:57] < JTBurn> I, too
[20:57] < rxr> what problems do so many people have here ?
[20:57] < Mike1> JTBurn: what apache version is it?
[20:57] < JTBurn> the newest
[20:58] < Mike1> rxr: JTBurn have apache problems, _NULL_ simply needs to grow up.
[20:58] < JTBurn> and before the 2.0.44 and therefor the 1.3.xx in every version the same prob
[20:58] < Mike1> JTBurn: mm.. perhaps is an apache specific error, have you seen in the mailing list archives, to see if someone else already the same problems?
[20:59] < rolla> you can create a sperate config file and do the startup with the -f option and see if it blanks that file too
[20:59] < tcr> rolla!
[20:59] < tcr> some time?
[21:00] < rolla> yup
[21:01] < rolla> I have been very busy at work :)
[21:03] < rxr> Mike1: yes I read the Apache config problem - that wasn't what I asked - I meant the personal bashing here - I think other people need to grow up here, ...
[21:04] < Mike1> rxr: as i said before, _NULL_ is just back to her usual childish attitude
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[21:05] < jtburn_> re
[21:05] < jtburn_> Mike1: I searched in the mailinglists and no one was found
[21:06] < Mike1> jtburn rxr did found something
[21:06] < jtburn_> really?
[21:06] < Mike1> rxr: or you mean someone else?
[21:06] < rxr> Mike1: feel free to read scroll-back
[21:08] < jtburn_> rxr: do you find anything about my probb ???
[21:10] < rxr> jtburn_: no sorry - I'm out of time to look into apache issues ...
[21:10] < rxr> never saw a apache empties config problem :-(
[21:13] < tcr> jtburn_: well, use strace (+ filtering out all creat(), write(), ... calls) to see if it's really apache
[21:14] < jtburn_> tcr: I dont know what you mean, can you explain me exactly?
[21:14] < tcr> jtburn_: Do you know a bit about C?
[21:14] < rolla> mom
[21:15] < jtburn_> tcr: not very much but I hope enough for that task :)
[21:16] < tcr> jtburn_: So you know what syscalls are? With strace(1) you can trace them... for example just call 'strace /bin/ls'
[21:16] < rolla> JTBurn create a basic apache config called test.conf
[21:17] < rolla> then start apache with httpd -f test.conf
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[21:18] < jtburn_> ok. mom. @ rolla
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[21:20] < rolla> jtburn_: this is apcahe2 right?
[21:20] < jtburn_> yes
[21:21]   Mike1 is away: having lunch
[21:22] < jtburn_> [root@localhost httpd]# httpd -f test.conf
[21:22] < jtburn_> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[21:22] < jtburn_> [root@localhost httpd]#
[21:22] < jtburn_> @ rolla
[21:22] < jtburn_> und nu ?
[21:22] < jtburn_> oh. sorry
[21:22] < jtburn_> and now ?
[21:24] < jtburn_> mom i see a bug on myself test.conf
[21:28] < jtburn_> rolla: the same bug
[21:29] < n00kie> https://www.sgi.com/visualization/onyx/3000/ir/images/onyx3000ir3_index.jpg yea
[21:29] < rolla> jtburn_: :)
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[21:30] < JTBurn> *fg*
[21:30] < rolla> is it working now?
[21:30] < n00kie> <jtburn_> rolla: the same bug
[21:30] < JTBurn> thats my negativ karma. I'm sure
[21:32] < rolla> the file is now empty?
[21:33] < JTBurn> no
[21:34] < rolla> what is the error
[21:34] < JTBurn> mom
[21:34] < JTBurn> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
[21:34] < JTBurn> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[21:34] < rolla> is there a file in that dir?
[21:35] < JTBurn> yes
[21:36] < tsa> permissions of htdocs direcotry?
[21:36] < daja77> re
[21:37] < tsa> grep 'Directory ' /path/to/httpd.conf
[21:39] < tcr> rolla: sent
[21:41] < JTBurn> tsa: [root@localhost httpd]# grep '/home/jtburn/homepage' /etc/httpd/test.conf
[21:41] < JTBurn> [root@localhost httpd]#
[21:41] < JTBurn> there is nothing
[21:42] < tsa> can a user {apache,nobody} access this directory?
[21:43]   daja77 wonders if he is in the right chan
[21:44] < rolla> :)
[21:44] < JTBurn> tsa: yes jtburn
[21:44] < tsa> hm..
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[21:47] < JTBurn> I try it to set it readable for all ...
[21:47] < JTBurn> but theres the bug too
[21:48] < daja77> *hmpf*
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[21:56] < daja77> O_o the builds are getting worse
[21:56] < daja77> even tetex failed
[21:58] < tsa> daja77: there'l be lots of bugs still hidden...
[21:58] < tsa> successfully building a package != a working package
[21:58] < daja77> shared files with coreutils, mnemoc where are you *g*
[21:59] < daja77> yeah non building package -> for sure not working package
[21:59] < tsa> but we'll need lots of people testing to find most of these bugs..
[21:59] < daja77> if you think that this is the road to stable...
[22:00] < daja77> I hope I can soon spend some time on bugfixing
[22:00] < tsa> daja77: well..i guess we'll still miss lots of bugs with the 2.0 release..
[22:01] < tsa> 2.0.x will probably fix most of them
[22:02] < tsa> the only way to attract lots of people for testing is to make a major release.
[22:02] < daja77> well if I look at it now, I doubt if we'll have 2.0 in some weeks
[22:02] < tsa> hm..i don't know.
[22:03] < daja77> I was fighting rtai today
[22:03] < rxr> daja77: yes - the tetex thing is rather minor - I'll fix this tonight!
[22:03] < daja77> rxr: ok it was just on my screen...
[22:03] < rxr> jups - rahter minor issue ...
[22:04] < rxr> but it will be fixed in some minutes
[22:04] < daja77> I love him for this
[22:04] < tsa> hm...i'm glad all of my packages seem to build ok in the last few build reports i've seen on the list
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[22:05] < rxr> daja77: to you wanna bet we will have a 2.0.0 without build errors in (at least) the desktop target within four weeks ?
[22:05] < daja77> rxr: yeah I bet against, and will be a happy looser
[22:05] < daja77> loser
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[22:05] < rxr> err I meant the build errors will be fixed in four weeks - the 2.0.0-final might be six weeks or so
[22:05] < tsa> rxr: you'll need to enter a pre-release phase, then: no unneeded package updates, no more new packages.
[22:06] < tsa> just bugfixing.
[22:06] < tsa> nothing else.
[22:06] < rxr> tsa: yes I know
[22:06] < daja77> tsa: strong ack, not even more games
[22:06] < JTBurn> ok. problem is fixed :)
[22:06] < rxr> I always had perfect dRock releases - the only 2.0 problem is that it are far more packages - and people do take too little care ..
[22:06] < tsa> and we need some kind of pre-release "tags" to coordinate bug reports
[22:06] < JTBurn> thx to rolla
[22:06] < JTBurn> :)
[22:07] < rxr> tsa: how do you define tag ?
[22:07] < daja77> I think it would be good if people who likes to have new packages provide them as .gem first, and check in later if the release is done
[22:08] < tsa> rxr: currently, people are getting "cvs head". they report bugs to the list with "rock linux cvs of 2003-05-somehting" ..
[22:08] < tsa> since things might even change within that one day, coordination is difficult.
[22:09] < tsa> a suggestion: create a tar.gz, name it "rock-2.0rc1.tar.gz" and put it somewhere.
[22:09] < tcr> Tss. For what do we have svn? Just create a main branch, an update branch, and a new-package branch. Make use of the functionality of branches, it's awesome (properly used, which precludes that there's a proper imlementation in svn)
[22:09] < tsa> or, add a 2.0rc1 tag to cvs/svn/..
[22:10] < tsa> it'll be easier to track bugs, then.
[22:10] < tsa> (and attract more people to do builds than just a "cvs something"
[22:10] < tsa> )
[22:10] < tsa> IMHO.
[22:11] < tsa> what do you think?
[22:11] < tcr> Well
[22:12] < rxr> yes sure
[22:12] < daja77> 31 ne mails on rlml >_<
[22:12] < daja77> new
[22:13] < rxr> I even send 1.7.0-19c3, 2.0.0-TP2 2.0.0-alpha tar-balls to cliff
[22:13] < rxr> they are simply not on the web
[22:13] < rxr> I also have the 2.0.0-beta lying here ...
[22:13] < tsa> hm..
[22:13] < tcr> that's a rather reciprocal affair: I don't think more people would be attracted just if you publish a tagged tarball, you also need some PR. And PR could easily turn in bad PR if the promated thing doesn't work properly. So to promote something, it must at least be not a pile of bugs...
[22:13] < rxr> but using svn now I'll tag the source sure
[22:13] < tsa> rxr: put the -beta sources on your web server, then.
[22:14] < tsa> announce it on the list and on freshmeat to attract people.
[22:14] < rxr> tsa: yeah - quite inconsistent ... but sure will do so if they do not appear soon
[22:14]   rxr head banging - fogot the freshmeat announcement today ...
[22:15] < tsa> do it now.
[22:15] < tsa> it's still early in USA etc..
[22:15] < tcr> hmm, don't even have an account at freshmeat. Will create one now to rate rocklinux!
[22:16] < tcr> Anyone else who hasn't yet rated it?
[22:16] < rxr> hm - yes (although I currently do my electric report for university - needs to be handed over tomorrow ...)
[22:16] < tcr> daja77, rolla?
[22:17] < tcr> hmm? What is 'fake Email:' ?
[22:18] < tcr> (at freshmeat's registration)
[22:18] < tsa> don't know
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[22:19] < tsa> i didn't enter anything there
[22:19] < daja77> tcr: what's up
[22:20] < tcr> daja77: Did you rate rocklinux at freshmeat?
[22:21]   tsa adding rxr to friends list.
[22:21] < rxr> there is also an seperated drock project
[22:21] < rxr> (hint)
[22:21] < daja77> tcr: nope
[22:22]   tsa just rated dROCK
[22:23] < tcr> The username tcr is already taken.
[22:23] < tcr> Hrrrm
[22:23] < tsa> hehe
[22:25] < tcr> User ID:
[22:25] < tcr> 188126
[22:25] < tcr> Username:
[22:25] < tcr> tobrit
[22:25] < tcr> Ok
[22:26]   tsa adding...
[22:29] < tcr> eh, what's your username?
[22:31] < tsa> tsa666
[22:31] < tcr> LOL 8)
[22:34] < tcr> ROCK Linux by Jocelyn - Sunday, June 20th 1999 20:10 PST
[22:34] < tcr> does that mean it has been updated the last time pn 20th June?!
[22:38] < rxr> nope
[22:38] < rxr> Development
[22:38] < rxr> 1.5.12
[22:38] < rxr> 25-Dec-2001
[22:39] < tcr> Well, what a difference ;)
[22:40] < rxr> tcr: simply the 1.5 mess ...
[22:40] < rxr> ask huebie what he did ...
[22:41] < tcr> Woohoo, isn't jocel responsible for that? Well, nevermind..
[22:42] < rxr> tcr: huebi never announced 1.5 releases - how should she have known ...
[22:42] < daja77> huebi, she?
[22:42] < tcr> rxr: That's true
[22:45] < tcr> Huh? Is that normal that I see [project] add release | ... | ...  [project]? And if i click on one of those, I even get to some site??
[22:45] < rxr> daja77: jocelyn == she
[22:45] < rxr> how should jocelyn have notived the secret 1.5 releases ?
[22:46] < rxr> tcr: test what it does ...
[22:46] < tcr> So authorization is afterwards?
[22:46] < daja77> rxr: ah yes I know about jocelyn
[22:47] < rxr> announcing 2.0.0-beta on freshmeat takes a while - I first tag the svn and make a tarball out of it ...
[22:47] < daja77> hmm nice /me will do a svn up later
[22:49] < daja77> Mike1: still eating?
[22:52] < rxr> daja77: for you this will not change anything - you can already do it now ;-)
[22:52] < daja77> still building
[22:55] < rxr> just heared in the server room who busy the RAID-5 array is during a svn checkout ;-)
[22:55] < rxr> s/who/how/
[22:56] < daja77> hehe
[22:57] < daja77> hmm does mnemoc already know about breaking openldap
[23:01]   Mike1 is back (gone 01:39:27)
[23:01] < daja77> wb Mike1
[23:01] < Mike1> thanks
[23:01] < Mike1> were you looking for me daja77?
[23:02] < daja77> I was just wandering about your long meal *g*
[23:02] < tcr> Hah... meal then fiesta...
[23:03] < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/
[23:04] < rxr> wow - tagging takes only parts of an second ...
[23:04] < daja77> *loool*
[23:05] < daja77> there is a consulting firm called illuminata
[23:05] < tcr> Hrrrr
[23:06] < daja77> they are involved in this sco case *rofl*
[23:07] < tcr> Oh well.
[23:08] < rxr> hm - maybe I should get a faster CPU for the server ...
[23:08] < rxr> CPU states: 66.7% user,  4.3% system,  0.0% nice, 28.8% idle
[23:08] < rxr> during subversion checkout
[23:09] < tcr> Hmm, what would be a fair price for an athlon XP 1GHZ and some mainboard?
[23:10] < daja77> 200 euro perhaps
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[23:10] < rxr> I have an 1700XP in my build-box myself ;-)
[23:10] < rxr> maybe this should become the next servern when a Dual Hammer becomes my new build box ;-)
[23:11] < daja77> rxr: strong ack
[23:11]   Mike1 has a 4x2400mhz xeon box to build :)
[23:11] < daja77> Mike1: poser
[23:11] < tcr> Well, a friend of mine is about selling this to me... iirc he mentioned a price of about 180euro. Though I'm not really sure what precicely the tact frequency has been...
[23:11]   daja77 neither but this could be ok
[23:12] < Mike1> rxr: btw, whats the current status on the Sparc / Sparc64 ports?
[23:12] < tcr> Maybe I'm mixing here something up, and he's about selling me an AMD Duron 800mhz, in order to buy an ahtlon XP 1ghz 8) Have to ask him tomorrow again
[23:13] < daja77> yeah do so
[23:13] < rxr> build as intel does - but special hacks for the kernel are needed as well as boot code
[23:13] < rxr> if you find a sponsor I'll leave the Windows GUI coding and do this in one week
[23:15] < daja77> urgs I am a lucky one working with linux only
[23:16] < rxr> daja77: I work with linux only too - for five years now or so ...
[23:16] < daja77> good
[23:16] < rxr> but when I sit at PACE (www.pace.de) I'll have to write some C++ lines related to aircraft CAD stuff for Windows ...
[23:16] < rxr> (somehow I need to pay the flat and so ..)
[23:16] < daja77> ;)
[23:17] < tcr> what about robbery? ;)
[23:17] < daja77> rxr: sure, I have the job to code control software for linux, so I don't have windows at work, only a samba server for the lusers
[23:18] < daja77> tcr: hard business
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[23:19] < rxr> whit now I did a svn mistake
[23:19]   rxr should go to bed ...
[23:20] < daja77> gn8 rxr
[23:20] < Mike1> gute nacht Ren
[23:21] < tsa> cu rxr
[23:21] < Mike1> Sebastian saludos
[23:22] < tcr> me too.
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[23:23] < tsa> hi Mike1
[23:23] < rxr> hehe _should_ != is going ;-)
[23:23] < rxr> so finally tagged
[23:24] < Mike1> rxr: ah hehe
[23:24] < rxr> but I do the announement on freshmeat tomorrow when I'm not in a hury ...
[23:25] < Mike1> why in a hurry?
[23:28] < rxr> because I need sleep ...
[23:28] < daja77> acj
[23:28] < daja77> ack
[23:28] < daja77> d'oh
[23:29] < rxr> have to be at the university at 8.oo tomorrow - and it is 23:32 here
[23:29] < Mike1> so get urself in bed already my friend
[23:30] < daja77> anyone tried to get an isdn card to dial up internet when called via mobile?
[23:36] < daja77> gn8 everybody
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[23:41] < daja77> gn8 n00kie
[23:41] < n00kie> sleep well, daja77 :)
[23:48] < rxr> frehsmeat announcement commited
[23:49] < rxr> cu tomorrow - good night
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