-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sat May 10 00:00:03 2003
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Sat May 10 2003
[00:00] < n00kie> can't make anything write
[00:00] < chaosmaster> what does the bios and dmesg say about the disk?
[00:01] < n00kie> it can get "erkannt" correctly
[00:01] < chaosmaster> but no access and no write? what are is mode on the device compared to other disks?
[00:03] < n00kie> Partition check:
[00:03] < n00kie> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 >
[00:03] < n00kie> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0:
[00:03] < n00kie> how do you mean?
[00:04] < n00kie> I mean
[00:04] < n00kie> I can't get access with cfdisk
[00:04] < n00kie> because it cannot read the disk
[00:04] < chaosmaster> how does it come you (root) cant write the disk?
[00:04] < chaosmaster> ..... WAIT!!!!
[00:04] < n00kie> ok
[00:05] < chaosmaster> AFAIR cfdisk cant restore a broken parttable and broken mbr, but .....
[00:05] < chaosmaster> fdisk can, I think!
[00:05] < n00kie> lol
[00:05] < n00kie> then hda gets destroyed to
[00:05] < n00kie> o
[00:05] < rxr> re
[00:05] < n00kie> wb rxr
[00:05] < chaosmaster> hmmm, use fdisk and try to create one new partition
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[00:06] < A-Tui> hi
[00:07] < n00kie> chaosmaster:
[00:07] < n00kie> i am afraid of this program
[00:07] < chaosmaster> n00kie: I recently send a patch for fileutils/coreutils to enable some add tools like partx, addpart, delpart - they can help
[00:08] < chaosmaster> you just need a program ignoring everything, but writing to the disk without any checks
[00:08] < n00kie> i use an image from the last 2 days
[00:08] < n00kie> hmm
[00:08] < n00kie> fdisk?
[00:09] < chaosmaster> a real image of the whole disk or only data?
[00:09] < n00kie> no
[00:09] < n00kie> rock linux distri
[00:09] < n00kie> with newer fileutils
[00:09] < chaosmaster> that's not enough, when you cannot access the disk ...
[00:10] < n00kie> hmm
[00:10] < n00kie> but how can I restore my hdd then ?
[00:11] < chaosmaster> step by step:
[00:11] < chaosmaster> fdisk /dev/discs/foo/disc
[00:11] < chaosmaster> p
[00:11] < n00kie> alright
[00:11] < n00kie> i will go to bed :)
[00:11] < n00kie> sleep well
[00:11] < n00kie> can we make this tomorow ?
[00:11] < chaosmaster> (if any: d x)
[00:11] < n00kie> ok
[00:12] < n00kie> sleep well chaosmaster and the others
[00:12] < chaosmaster> n00kie: i'm here from around 19:00
[00:12] < n00kie> okay, me too
[00:12] < n00kie> sleep well+
[00:12] < chaosmaster> thanks, dito
[00:32] < daja77> re
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[00:34] < Mike1-home> re all.
[00:35] < esden> bless you Mike1-home
[00:36] < Mike1-home> kasc, rxr tomorrow once i am back to my office i will run a full build to test linux2.5, as i mentiones on my email spect reports on monday / tuesday or so..
[00:36] < Mike1-home> hi esdy, God bless you too my friend.
[00:37] < Mike1-home> esden anything new around here? i am sick so have been at home all day with almost no internet access, i hate dialup, did i mention that already?
[00:38] < daja77> yes you did
[00:38] < daja77> wb Mike1-home
[00:38] < esden> Mike1-home: I can understand that ...
[00:38] < esden> my condolences Mike1-home
[00:38] < Mike1-home> hi daja77
[00:38] < Mike1-home> esden thanks :((
[00:38] < esden> Mike1-home: I have not been much around here today
[00:39] < Mike1-home> i see
[00:39] < Mike1-home> perhaps daja77 was here more?
[00:39] < daja77> Mike1-home: I couldn't do release today cos I fighted our fscking routing at work
[00:39]   _NULL_ is jumping around!
[00:39] < _NULL_> tcl is alive!!!
[00:39] < Mike1-home> _NULL_ ?
[00:39] < Mike1-home> ah congratz Sandra
[00:39] < daja77> Mike1-home: but I have the src at home so I can do it this weekend
[00:39] < _NULL_> Mike1-home: *g* don't mind
[00:39] < _NULL_> wb Mike1-home , btw
[00:40] < Mike1-home> daja77 thats great, i am really looking forward to see this my friend
[00:40] < daja77> esden: well rolla flooded the chan to increase his score, but else...
[00:40] < Mike1-home> daja77 define flooded
[00:40] < Mike1-home> _NULL_ thank you
[00:41] < _NULL_> re esden , btw
[00:41] < daja77> pasted err logs *g*
[00:41] < Mike1-home> OUCH!
[00:41]   Mike1-home glad of not been here when that happens..
[00:41] < daja77> yeah d'oh I forgot, hi esden
[00:41] < daja77> hehe
[00:41] < Mike1-home> daja77 u know i kinda freak with floods :)
[00:42] < _NULL_> daja77: rolla flooded? i guess you meant n00kie, don't you?
[00:42] < daja77> yeah I remember...
[00:42] < Mike1-home> daja77 even though u and rolla are 2 of the very few that i don't mind to flood me on a _query_
[00:42] < daja77> _NULL_: no rolla, mayxbe n00kie did itr when I was away
[00:42] < esden> daja77: you think that this was flooding?
[00:43]   esden trying to get svn running on one of the machines in the university >_<
[00:43] < Mike1-home> msg esden so how is life treating u my friend?
[00:43] < daja77> esden: it was ok after all, chan was empty so...
[00:43] < Mike1-home> arrg..
[00:43] < daja77> lol
[00:43] < Mike1-home> daja77 the "/" is not working very well
[00:43]   daja77 possibly gets integrated in local wlan soon...
[00:43]   Mike1-home needs a new keyboard
[00:44] < Mike1-home> esden so is it fun running svn ? easy?
[00:44] < daja77> esden: I know I fighted with svn the whole day...
[00:44] < Mike1-home> ping rxr
[00:45] < Mike1-home> mmm... is everyone quite suddenly or my connection really so fscking slow?
[00:45]   daja77 doin svn up right now
[00:46] < _NULL_> Mike1-home: do you see me? ;)
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[00:46] < Mike1-home> _NULL_ i wish i could but i can only read u
[00:46] < daja77> Mike1-home: stop complaining :P
[00:46] < Mike1-home> daja77 laught while u can !
[00:46] < daja77> _NULL_: send him ur pictures ;)
[00:46] < _NULL_> Mike1-home: hehe ;) ok
[00:46] < _NULL_> daja77: nope
[00:47] < daja77> Mike1-home: nah I have a slow connection myself brother
[00:47] < Mike1-home> _NULL_ come on i need to expand my _null pictures collection
[00:47] < _NULL_> Mike1-home: *kick* :p
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[00:47] < Mike1-home> daja77 well my friend in this moment ven null's conection is faster than mine
[00:48] < Mike1-home> i am really hating dialup!
[00:48] < esden> ok ... another build on that fscking machine at the university ...
[00:48] < Mike1-home> esden having fun?
[00:48] < esden> have I already said that I hate rh?
[00:48] < esden> Mike1-home: not really .. I would prefer to go to bed ... really ...
[00:49] < esden> but I promissed rxr that I will get his tree and test it ...
[00:49] < daja77> esden: yes you did
[00:49] < Mike1-home> esden rh sucks, but i prefer to use in staed of mandrake
[00:49] < esden> but I am to lame to get svn run through a proxy ...
[00:49] < Mike1-home> esden also i think u sleep too much get in the code u lazy boy!
[00:49] < esden> so I have to get it working on a box at the university ...
[00:49] < esden> Mike1-home: GRRRRR
[00:49] < daja77> esden: no you are not lame this is a svn/proxy related problem >_<
[00:50] < esden> Mike1-home: I like you too ...
[00:50] < Mike1-home> esden sure u do i am great :)
[00:50] < Mike1-home> :P
[00:50] < esden> daja77: this stupid svn is seems not to detect that I have set in the configuration that it should use a proxy ...
[00:50] < esden> strange ...
[00:50] < rxr> esden: shit I can't attent the chat tomorrow
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[00:51] < Mike1-home> esden have you send a mail to the svn mailing list?
[00:51] < esden> rxr: that sux ...
[00:51] < Mike1-home> rxr warun?
[00:51] < rxr> se ML in some minutes
[00:51] < daja77> esden: the most proxies don't understand svn's commands
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[00:51] < Mike1-home> mm...
[00:51] < esden> Mike1-home: no ... not with such a lame question ... "svn is not working over proxy ... please help!"
[00:51] < esden> I will get flamed to death
[00:51] < Mike1-home> esden ask null end it for u  :)
[00:52] < _NULL_> Mike1-home: ???
[00:52] < Mike1-home> esden or make a fake email address :)
[00:52] < esden> Mike1-home: lol
[00:52] < daja77> esden: it is just sucking...
[00:52] < esden> daja77: it really seems so ...
[00:52] < Mike1-home> esden did u ask rxr for a solution yet?
[00:52] < Mike1-home> rxr have u been able to take a look at my coreutils patch?
[00:53] < daja77> esden: it tries to send command which most proxies don't understand there is a fix for squid but that's all
[00:53] < esden> daja77: perfect >_<
[00:53] < daja77> Mike1-home: rxr is not the svn maintainer...
[00:53] < esden> daja77: the problem is I have no access to the proxy ...
[00:53] < daja77> esden: full ack, you know what I did
[00:53] < Mike1-home> esden kill the sysadmin then kill the proxy
[00:53] < daja77> esden: the same problem for me
[00:54] < daja77> it is an NT proxy at work *puke*
[00:54] < esden> urgh ... perfect
[00:54] < Mike1-home> NT proxy... urrgg i though _null_ was the only one running such thing
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[00:55] < daja77> esden: i did the check at home, made a tarball and grabbed it via ssh, do I really have to say more
[00:55] < esden> Mike1-home: lool ... when I kill the proxy all students in the student city will start running edonkey on their pc's and then I have no internet anymore ...
[00:55] < rxr> Mike1-home: no not yet
[00:55] < Mike1-home> esden iptables is your friend :)
[00:55] < esden> daja77: I do something simmilar
[00:55] < esden> Mike1-home: hehe ... qos too ;-)
[00:55] < Mike1-home> rxr ah okis :)
[00:55] < daja77> Mike1-home: I don't run such crap, but the adm^Wlusers at work doin this
[00:56] < Mike1-home> daja77 u should give them some good lessons about how real networks and managed
[00:56] < rxr> daja77: tunnel the svn traffic via ssh (or a real VPN)
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[00:56] < esden> rxr: that is also a possibility ...
[00:56] < esden> hmm
[00:56] < esden> nice ...
[00:56] < daja77> rxr: could you let your apache listen to an additional port
[00:57] < Mike1-home> like port 81..
[00:57] < daja77> nah I only have isdn at home, I don't wanna do a tunnel with that
[00:57] < rxr> daja77: I'm not a apche guru - if it support this ...
[00:57]   rxr taking a look
[00:57] < Mike1-home> rxr yes it does support it
[00:57] < daja77> rxr: sure just add a line: Listen $portnum
[00:58] < rxr> multiple Listen lines or all ports in one Listen line ?
[00:59] < Mike1-home> multiple Listen lines
[00:59] < daja77> afaik you could do a: Listen $port1,$port2 or two lines
[00:59] < daja77> multiple lines work for sure
[00:59] < rxr> done
[00:59] < rxr> works
[01:00] < Mike1-home> ok folks i am out of here /me needs some sleep and resting
[01:00] < daja77> Mike1-home: gn8
[01:00] < daja77> rxr: thx which port?
[01:00] < Mike1-home> rxr u won't be online tomorrow
[01:00] < Mike1-home> ?
[01:00] < Mike1-home> daja77 n8 my friend.
[01:00] < rxr> Mike1-home: nope - I overread the "pm" - but anyway this birthday is not rescheduleable ...
[01:01] < rxr> 80 81
[01:01] < Mike1-home> rxr arrgg this sucks :(
[01:01] < rxr> if you want more ... just ask
[01:01] < rxr> Mike1-home: see ML
[01:01] < Mike1-home> rxr anyways we talk on monday then
[01:01] < Mike1-home> rxr i will in a moment
[01:01] < rxr> or sunday ?
[01:01] < Mike1-home> n8 Ren
[01:01] < Mike1-home> rxr i am not sure if i will be on on sunday
[01:01] < Mike1-home> rxr but i will do my best ok?
[01:01] < rxr> ok - sleep well mike
[01:02] < Mike1-home> thx Ren
[01:02] < daja77> rxr: cool then I can do checkouts at work ;)
[01:02] < Mike1-home> rxr enjoy bday tomorrow
[01:02] < Mike1-home> me gone
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[01:02] < daja77> lol
[01:03] < rxr> shit my iBook builded a whole day completely crap only because I configured the wrong target :-(
[01:03]   rxr head banging againt table and walls
[01:03] < daja77> *aaargh*
[01:03] < daja77> rxr: save the wall...
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[01:03] < daja77> great mnemoc is here
[01:03] < daja77> hi mnemoc
[01:04] < _NULL_> hi mnemoc
[01:04] < tcr> moin mnemoc. I actually wanted to reply to your question when 2.6 will probably come out... but I momentarely cannot send any mails (the heck's why)...
[01:04] < mnemoc> hi :-)
[01:05] < tcr> mnemoc: You should search the LKML about it, that question arouse some days ago, and alanc gave a first estimate that in about 2month there might be the first 2.6-test branch
[01:05] < mnemoc> so.. answer here
[01:06] < tcr> I can't remember to the subject line... though
[01:07] < esden> weeee ... svn is running on the machine at the university !!!
[01:07] < rxr> mnemoc: Cksum ERROR: download/mnemoc/lvs/ipvs-1.0.8.tar.gz.cksum-err (3889016756)
[01:07] < mnemoc> :o
[01:07] < rxr> should I simply adapt the checksum ?
[01:08] < esden> rxr: I am now getting rock-trunk
[01:08] < mnemoc> i guess...
[01:08] < mnemoc> but...
[01:08] < daja77> esden: how?
[01:08] < esden> daja77: on the machine at the university ... it is not behind a proky
[01:08] < esden> I mean proxy
[01:08] < daja77> good!
[01:09] < esden> I have built svn in my home ... and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly ... and now it runs ...
[01:09] < esden> I hope it will not stop with an error ... *pray*
[01:09] < mnemoc> 2 months... how will this affect rock2.0? rock-2.0.$release? rock-2.0-$date? rock-2.2?
[01:11] < mnemoc> rxr: download/mnemoc/lvs/ipvs-1.0.8.tar.bz2: 41580628
[01:11] < daja77> rxr och neee
[01:11] < rxr> mnemoc: the 2.0 release will have 2.4 - and you can select 2.{5,6} but this will not be considered release criteria
[01:12] < rxr> but a later 2.0.4 or so might update to 2.6 as default ... (I think)
[01:12] < rxr> but we have ot se how 2.0 and 2.2 develop
[01:12] < rxr> mnemoc: have you redownloaded ?
[01:13] < mnemoc> i'm re-downloading it
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[01:13] < daja77> hmm another ghost
[01:14] < tcr> Ok, I'm going sleeping now
[01:14] < tcr> gn8 all
[01:15] < daja77> tcr: ack, sleep well
[01:15] < rxr> my home schillernet.dyndns.org server delivers "92.1 %" suversion data ...
[01:15] < daja77> hmm my checkout is over
[01:16] < daja77> gn8 everybody
[01:16] < rxr> and my gsmp.tfh-berlin.de server delivered:
[01:16] < rxr> 3.56 GB yesterday ...
[01:17] < rxr> Wow I start to love web stats ;-)
[01:17] < esden> rxr: I have to learn more about svn ... so I can create a mirror of it ...
[01:17] < esden> or so ...
[01:17] < esden> is it possible?
[01:17] < rxr> esden: should be fairly simple - just do a bdb hot-backup
[01:18] < esden> rxr: kick clifford that he starts doing stats on his webserver ...
[01:18] < esden> I want to see rocklinux.org stats
[01:18] < rxr> but I'll also mirror the thing to gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
[01:18] < esden> good
[01:18] < rxr> mnemoc: has your file still the same checksum ?
[01:18] < rxr> esden: me too ;-)
[01:19] < mnemoc> rxr: got the same cksum that you :(
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[01:19] < daja77> talking about stats there is a strange thing in irc stats
[01:20] < daja77> in 5 random urls there is always the some url at first rank
[01:21] < daja77> same
[01:21] < rxr> mnemoc: ok so I change the checksum ?
[01:21] < esden> hmm .. still checking out ... *zZzZ*
[01:22] < daja77> so now I am really off
[01:22] < esden> n8 daja77
[01:24] < mnemoc> rxr: change it :-\ ... how can it be? there is nothing at the web site :( ... i'll diff them
[01:26] < rxr> yes please diff them - maybe they silently fixed a bug (some franky people do that sometimes) or they got hacked ?
[01:38] < esden> Checked out revision 175.
[01:39] < esden> rxr: is that the correct one?
[01:40] < mnemoc> rxr: the fix the year on the README :|
[01:40] < mnemoc> 1.0.8a?
[01:40] < mnemoc> or keeping it as 1.0.8?
[01:41] < rxr> esden: svn always checks out the latest revision
[01:41] < rxr> this is 175 currently
[01:41] < rxr> 1.0.8 should be ok
[01:50] < rxr> I'll correct the chksum, ok ?
[01:52] < esden> rxr: sure it is ... but it could be that you made a new checkin
[01:52] < esden> ok ... I go home sleeping
[01:52] < rxr> n8 esden !
[01:53] < mnemoc> rxr, i got this: 3889016756 ... please silently 'update' it *g*
[01:53] < rxr> 3889016756 - jups I have this too
[01:57] < mnemoc> damn mount -bind :(... i loose my whole tree
[01:57]   mnemoc is now depressed
[02:00] < mnemoc> do you know any 'undelete' for ext3?
[02:02] < rxr> mnemoc: never rm -rf src.* dirs
[02:02] < rxr> use the ./scripts/Cleanup for this!
[02:02] < rxr> undelets are availble but quite complicated ...
[02:03] < mnemoc> snif snif snif
[02:07] -!- mnemoc is now known as mnemoc_is_dead
[02:08] < mnemoc_is_dead> just to know... reiser was undeleters?
[02:09] < mnemoc_is_dead> s/was/has/
[02:19] < rxr> mnemoc_is_dead: no filesystem has usefull undeleters, since no FS is designed for this - so it always is some last data gathering
[02:20] < rxr> on uinx you can use some ld-preload lib which does a paer-bag think for all "unlink" calls ...
[02:20] < rxr> so /me in bed now cu tomorrow
[02:21] < mnemoc_is_dead> gn8
[02:29] -!- mnemoc_is_dead is now known as __mnemoc
[02:30] < esden> re hi all
[02:30] < __mnemoc> hi :|
[02:31] < esden> I had to check how far the copying of files to rock-trunk is ...
[02:31] < esden> hi __mnemoc ...
[02:31] < esden> what is wrong?
[02:31] < __mnemoc> esden: are you at deutschland too?
[02:31] < esden> yes ...
[02:31] < __mnemoc> esden: rm -rf src.*
[02:32] < __mnemoc> so... why do you arrive this late?
[02:32] < esden> I was here already ...
[02:32] < esden> I am still awake because I promissed rxr that I will checkout his tree from svn and build a generic build for testing ...
[02:33] < esden> and I had some problems with it due to proxy/svn and stupidity problems
[02:33] < esden> I am now waiting till I can start a build ...
[02:34] < esden> and what are you doing up so late?
[02:36] < __mnemoc> 20:36 here
[02:36] < esden> and where are you?
[02:37] < __mnemoc> chile
[02:38] < __mnemoc> doy ou know where it is? ;-)
[02:41] < esden> in chile? can it be?
[02:41] < __mnemoc> of course it can be... i live here *g*
[02:41] < esden> hehe ;-)
[02:42] < esden> I have put you in the gallery ... so I now remember ...
[02:42] < esden> Alejandro MP ... sounds like a processor name ;-)
[02:42] < __mnemoc> ;)
[02:42] < __mnemoc> latin people has to family names
[02:43] < __mnemoc> two family names
[02:43] < esden> I have also a double surname ... and I am not latin ;-)
[02:43] < __mnemoc> yeah???
[02:43] < esden> yes Esden-Tempski
[02:43] < __mnemoc> your mother didn't loose her surname?
[02:44] < esden> nope that name exists since the 17th century or so
[02:44] < esden> or even before ...
[02:44] < esden> we could follow the familly till then ... or was it 16th century ...
[02:44] < esden> I am not sure
[02:45] < __mnemoc> so 'Esden-Tempski' is a composed surname, and not two surnames ;(
[02:45] < esden> ack
[02:46] < esden> I know that is somewhat different ...
[02:46] < __mnemoc> we get one family name from ower father, and a second from ower mother
[02:46] < esden> ok ... entry msg for #rocklinux changed
[02:47] < __mnemoc> mother: 'maria marta victoria' 'pellegrini' 'ripamonti' father: 'eduardo juan bosco' 'mery' 'berisso'
[02:47] < __mnemoc> me: 'alejandro jose' 'mery' 'pellegrini'
[02:48] < __mnemoc> like a binary tree ;)
[02:48] < esden> yes that looks nice ...
[02:49] < __mnemoc> we are so weird that we have between 2 and 5 'first names' :-\
[02:49] < esden> my full name is "Piotr Tomasz Esden-Tempski" in two weeks it will be "Piotr Tomasz Edward Esden-Tempski"
[02:49] < __mnemoc> you can choose that third name freely?
[02:50] < esden> yes
[02:50]   esden searching a word to explain why ...
[02:51] < __mnemoc> we got the 'full' name when we born... well... the day after that
[02:52] < esden> I get confirmated in two weeks ... and I can choose the third name then
[02:53] < __mnemoc> you need an specific age for that 'honor'?
[02:54] < esden> the first one I got by birth ... the second also chosen by parents when I got baptised
[02:54] < esden> yes you need ... 16 years old or so ... but I am 21 now ...
[02:55] < esden> I finally decided to do that ... as I regained my faith
[02:56] < __mnemoc> so second and third are added when you get a religious stage?
[02:57] < __mnemoc> 1:born 2:baptims 3:confirmation* ?
[02:57] < esden> yes
[02:57] < esden> correct
[02:58] < __mnemoc> that's coolest than having two family names ;)
[02:59] < esden> ohh ... having two family names is cool too
[02:59] < esden> muahaha ... my name would be then : Piotr Tomasz Edward Bej-Belkowski Esden-Tempski
[02:59] < esden> that is terribly long
[03:00] < __mnemoc> we have composed surnames too... looking that long
[03:00] < esden> I have to admit that it is pretty evil ;-)
[03:01] < __mnemoc> brb
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[03:02] < esden> urgh ... my build box runs at load 4
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[03:14] < esden> 73 packets ...
[03:17] < __mnemoc> re
[03:18] < __mnemoc> which target?
[03:19] < __mnemoc> i would like to do a 'trusted base' target... hardrock can be
[03:27] < esden> I am building generic normally
[03:27] < esden> currently building generic and bootdisks targets of a clifford cvs tree checkout
[03:31] < __mnemoc> is the name 'dwarf' assigned to something in rock's todo?
[03:31] < __mnemoc> could be great for 'apt-get'
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[03:39] < esden> urgh ... load average of 5 ...
[03:39] < esden> now 6
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[03:40] < esden> ok ... running four target builds symultanously is hard ...
[03:40] < esden> that is a real stress test for my machine ...
[03:40] < esden> I hope she will survive that ...
[03:42] < __mnemoc> she will ;-)
[03:42] < esden> I hope so ...
[03:42] < esden> ok ... now going to sleep ... the builds will take a while ;-)
[03:42] < esden> good night
[03:42] < __mnemoc> will you get that finished by night?
[03:43] < esden> nope ... for sure not
[03:43] < __mnemoc> what do u win building 4 at once?
[03:43] < esden> in four days or so everything should be complete
[03:43] < __mnemoc> 4=fout days, 1<one day?
[03:43] < esden> the first build is a generic build that runs since nearly 4 days .. and should be finished this night
[03:44] < esden> the second one is a boot disk build and should be finisched by night tomorrow
[03:45] < esden> the third build is another generic build but on rene tree ... that will take 4 days or so ... and the 4th build is a bootdisk target for the rene build ...
[03:45] < esden> that should be ready in 1 day or so
[03:46] < esden> I go sleeping now ... it is 4 o'clock here ...
[03:46] < esden> I have to get up at 10 >_<
[03:46] < esden> good night
[03:46] < __mnemoc> gn8
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[04:04] < rolla> re
[04:04] < __mnemoc> hi
[04:04] < rolla> :)
[04:05] < rolla> I am going to upgrade one of my boxes to rcok 1.7 :)
[04:06] < __mnemoc> why don't you waiting for 2.0?
[04:06] < rolla> cause I have a working 1.7 iso I want to use to do 2.0 builds on :)
[04:06] < __mnemoc> good idea ;)
[04:07] < rolla> yeah that is what I thought :)
[04:08] < rolla> is noone else alive here tonight?
[04:08] < __mnemoc> esden dies 20 minutes ago
[04:08] < rolla> :)
[04:09] < rolla> == 21:11:03 =[5]=> Building blindcoder/irssi [0.8.6 1.7-snapshot].
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[04:10] < rolla> re n00kie_
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[04:11] < rolla> bye n00kie_
[04:11] < rolla> why are you up so late __mnemoc ?
[04:12] < __mnemoc> different timezone ;)
[04:13] < __mnemoc> why are YOU up so late rolla?
[04:13] < rolla> what timezone are you in?
[04:13] < __mnemoc> -4 ;-)
[04:13] < rolla> oh are you in CR?
[04:13] < __mnemoc> .CL
[04:14] < rolla> CL?
[04:14] < __mnemoc> chile
[04:14] < rolla> ach so
[04:14] < rolla> I am -5 GMT
[04:15] < rolla> or -6 GMT depending on time of year :)
[04:15] < __mnemoc> us?
[04:16] < rolla> ja
[04:16] < rolla> you use rock?
[04:17] < __mnemoc> trying ;)
[04:17] < __mnemoc> the only box i currently have for linux is a p200 :-\
[04:20] < __mnemoc> but i'm 'developing' and building rock there
[04:20] < rolla> fun fun
[04:21] < rolla> I was using a p-pro 200
[04:21] < rolla> but now I have a K6-3 750 :)
[04:21] < __mnemoc> much better
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[04:23] < rolla> yeah
[04:24] < rolla> now I am having trouble with the rock boot disk
[04:25] < __mnemoc> what kind of trouble?
[04:26] < rolla> it cannot load the module for the file system of the cd so it is a bad iso
[04:26] < rolla> I am using another 1.7 disk I have
[04:27] < __mnemoc> .o file is corrupted on the .iso?
[04:27] < rolla> I guess so
[04:29] < __mnemoc> :\
[04:30] < rolla> yeah
[04:32] < __mnemoc> what iso did you get? (url)
[04:35] < rolla> one that was built on that machine by mike
[04:40] < __mnemoc> haven't seen mike talking today... byt rock 1.7 i almost 100% stable, so a new iso will born this weekend ;-)
[04:41] < rolla> he is sick today
[04:43] < rolla> I was having trouble with building 1.7 on a 1.5.17 system so I need a base 1.7 system to build iso's from
[04:46] < __mnemoc> www.rocklinux.org is down?
[04:46] < __mnemoc> (dns)
[04:47] < __mnemoc> i mean... out of service ;-)
[04:47] < rolla> hmmm
[04:47] < __mnemoc> does it shows you what it should?
[04:47] < rolla> looks fine to me
[04:47] < __mnemoc> mmm...
[04:48] < __mnemoc> dammit
[04:48] < __mnemoc> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror ...
[04:48] < __mnemoc> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from www.rocklinux.org.
[04:48] < __mnemoc> INFO: No Mirror Found!
[04:49] < rolla> oh I tried the website
[04:49] < rolla> you mean ftp is down?
[04:50] < __mnemoc> i guess mirror list is fetched by http
[04:50] < rolla> what is the cvs module name for 2.0 beta?
[04:51] < __mnemoc> rock-src-1.7
[04:51] < __mnemoc> btw, i use rene's svn
[04:51] < rolla> ::)
[04:51] < rolla> no no there is another cvs module name
[04:52] < __mnemoc> :(
[04:52] < __mnemoc> svn's module is rock-trunk
[04:53] < __mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.de/ <-- can you see it?
[04:56] < rolla> hmm
[04:56] < rolla> doesn't look like it
[04:57] < __mnemoc> virtual domain is on strike :(
[04:59] < rolla> yup
[04:59] < rolla> do you network / numbers?
[04:59] < __mnemoc> i don't get you
[04:59] < __mnemoc> i dont get it ;)
[04:59] < __mnemoc> my english sucks
[04:59] < rolla> I have a netmask of 255.255.255.248
[05:00] < rolla> what would my 192.168.2.0/NM be ?
[05:00] < __mnemoc> 29?
[05:01] < rolla> thanks
[05:01] < rolla> that was right
[05:01] < __mnemoc> :D
[05:04] < rolla> soon my new rock box should be up it is booting for the first time :)
[05:05] < __mnemoc> what about the fs?
[05:06] < rolla> reiserfs
[05:07] < rolla> it crapped out need to edit a file :(
[05:08] < __mnemoc> :1
[05:08] < __mnemoc> have you used uml?
[05:10] < rolla> nope
[05:21] < rolla> crap this thing is a bear to configure :(
[05:22] < rolla> no perl :(
[05:30] < __mnemoc> doh
[05:32] < rolla> yeah that package is missing from this iso :(
[05:32] < rolla> nothing but broken ISO I tell you
[05:32] < __mnemoc> iirc perl was broken some weeks ago
[05:33] < rolla> yeah
[05:33] < rolla> oh well i have network so I am downloading and buildin perl
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[06:59] < Mike1-home> re.
[06:59] < Mike1-home> anyone awake?
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[09:12] < n00kie_> daja77, Mike1: Who did I flood?
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[09:47] < _NULL_> morning *yawn
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[10:09] < esden> good morning yawn
[10:11] < blindcoder> moin
[10:11] < blindcoder> esden: already got something for Mother's Day tomorrow?
[10:11] < _NULL_> hi esden
[10:12] < _NULL_> it is tomorrow? oh shit...
[10:12] < blindcoder> yes, it is
[10:12] < _NULL_> *cough* thx.
[10:13] < blindcoder> I've drawn a small outline Image of Kerberos and written "Omedetougozaimasu" (Congratulations) in Hiragane in a half circle above him
[10:14] < blindcoder> that will get decorated with a small "Pralinen schachtel" tomorrow morning
[10:14] < blindcoder> s/Hiragane/Hiragana/
[10:17] < blindcoder> ah, mum is back with my car
[10:17] < blindcoder> okay, I'm shopping now (awong other things :)
[10:17] < blindcoder> baba
[10:18] < _NULL_> bye blindcoder
[10:24] < netrunner> moinmoin
[10:25] < _NULL_> hi netrunner
[10:26]   netrunner washed away the remainigs of alc with lots of coffee :)
[10:33] < rxr> re
[10:34] < _NULL_> hi rxr
[10:35] < rxr> Yes, finally down to 21 errors:
[10:35] < rxr> 677 builds total, 656 completed fine, 21 with errors.
[10:36] < _NULL_> congrats, rxr
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[10:47] < Be-El> hi ppl
[10:51] < _NULL_> hi Be-El
[10:55] < Be-El> does anyone can tell me about the current state of the cvs ? i haven't received update for about a week
[10:55] < Be-El> and i don't want to switch over to subversion at this moment
[11:04]   netrunner found a big bug yesterday.
[11:04] < netrunner> like 40cm long. of chocolate. :)
[11:06] < Be-El> netrunner: sounds like a rare species....you should to some tests with it, like tasting its flavour
[11:09] < netrunner> be-el: unlikely. its for my mom tomorrow :)
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[11:13] < _NULL_> omg... drink more coffee, netrunner :p
[11:13] < _NULL_> hi cOdEz
[11:14] < Be-El> bbl
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[11:14] < cOdEz> ho _NULL_
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[11:30] < daja77> re
[11:35] < rxr> re
[11:36] < rxr> BL|away: yes - cliff just applied 240kB of patches ...
[11:37] < daja77> moin rxr
[11:38] < rxr> moin daja77
[11:42] < daja77> rxr: I updated to rev 178 this morning, which files I must delete to be sure, broken packages are disturbed by ealier errors?
[11:44] < rxr> daja77: you mean shared files issues ?
[11:45] < daja77> yes something like, I get unregistered file errors with cups
[11:45] < daja77> btw I removed the flists files
[11:46] < rxr> unregsitered files ?
[11:46] < daja77> mom I'll boot the machine, and tell you details
[11:47] < rxr> daja77: I'm off in some seconds ... :-(
[11:47] < rxr> but I'm sure you'll find out ,)
[11:48] < rxr> daja77: btw. will you be at today's officla evening chat?
[11:49] < daja77> until now nothing stops me to do so
[11:49] < rxr> I won't be able to attend ... - I hope esden and you can tell some usefull things - especially when huebi or so starts to tell strange stuff ...
[11:49] < _NULL_> O_o
[11:49] < daja77> O_o why should he tell strange stuff?
[11:50] < rxr> because of this 1.5 mess or so - just a fealing ...
[11:50] < rxr> daja77: ok nice - I'll off for an hours - cu later
[11:50] < _NULL_> (e.g. that 1.6 is stable... :p)
[11:50] < rxr> yeah e.g.
[11:50] < rxr> cu
[11:50] < _NULL_> bye rxr. have fun
[11:51] < daja77> damn now he is away again *grml*
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[12:09] < daja77> oh no 40 mails on the list...
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[12:40] < BL|away> re
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[12:40] < daja77> re Be-El
[12:41] < Be-El> finally....a cvs update
[12:42] < Be-El> and a chance to test my new maintance system :-)
[12:49] < daja77> cu later guys and gals ;)
[12:54] < netrunner> what is cc1 used to be? (-> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper. \n cc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory)
[12:56] < Be-El> netrunner: cc1 is the name of the c-compiler executable
[13:01] < rxr> re
[13:02] < rxr> Be-El: yes a cvs update - and now subversin and cvs are nearly in sync ...
[13:03] < rxr> Be-El: why don't you use the stable subversion tree to get changes earlier ?
[13:03] < Be-El> may currently used system was build 2-3 month ago....no clean bdb....
[13:03] < Be-El> s/may/my/
[13:03] < Be-El> that's why i'm trying to get a full, stable build to reinstall it
[13:04] < rxr> Be-El: you can build subversion yourself (simply ./configuare make make install)
[13:04] < Be-El> but i am lazy ;-)
[13:04] < rxr> you'll get a working server-side-less svn client without the need of bdb ...
[13:05] < Be-El> and currently i'm busy with some perl script to maintain build tree
[13:05] < netrunner> Be-El: so I shoud ln -s cc cc1 somewhere?
[13:06] < Be-El> netrunner: 'cc' should be a symlink to gcc, the gnu compiler suite start wrapper
[13:06] < Be-El> netrunner: and this wrapper handles cc1, cc1obj, cc1plus etc. internally
[13:07] < Be-El> netrunner: 'cc' is used a the compiler executable name for a number of commercial compilers, so it should exists in (nearly) every unix system
[13:07] < rxr> netrunner: nope!
[13:07] < rxr> /var/adm/flists/gcc3:gcc3: usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.2/cc1
[13:07] < rxr> Be-El: cc1 != cc
[13:08] < Be-El> rxr: i know...cc is the start wrapper, e.g. so sun's workshop compiler, several alpha compilers etc.
[13:09] < Be-El> it's just a name that is commonly used for "this is the c-compiler", independent whether it is gcc or some other compiler
[13:09] < netrunner> rxr: but Build-Target obviously can not find any cc1. I have one in build/bla/tools.cross and one in build/bla/root/...
[13:09] < netrunner> rxr: how does he now which to use, is there a file list?
[13:10] < rxr> netrunner: sorry I have no time in the next hour to dig into this ...
[13:10] < rxr> netrunner: grep the scripts ...
[13:10] < netrunner> rxr: np.
[13:25] < esden> good morning everyone ...
[13:25] < esden> finally ... sigh
[13:32] < _NULL_> hi esden
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[13:36] < _NULL_> someone knows the number of the "freischalte/t-d1-service-center"?
[13:37] -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
[13:37] -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 1.5/1.6 is depricated please use 1.7/2.0 instead : ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:[email protected]:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ )
[13:37] -!- Topic set by esden [Fri May 9 01:09:26 2003]
[13:37] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join
[13:37] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now
[13:38] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now
[13:39] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now
[13:39] < _NULL_> O_o
[13:40] <@esden> _NULL_: what is?
[13:40] -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:[email protected]:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ )
[13:41] <@esden> good
[13:41] <@esden> that should be ok now
[13:41] -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
[13:41] < _NULL_> you're in topic-changing mood
[13:41] < esden> no _NULL_ I had to do that ...
[13:42] < esden> requested by Jocelin
[13:42] < _NULL_> ok...
[13:43] < _NULL_> gnaaaaa. t-d1 suckz
[14:16] < netrunner> esden: ich habe schon einen in build/bla/root/lib... und build/bla/tools.cross/...
[14:17] < netrunner> s/(*)/\/msg $1/
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[14:59]   esden -> off for dancing
[14:59] < esden> I will be back for the talk
[15:00] < _NULL_> have fun esden
[15:09] < praenti> hi
[15:09] < _NULL_> hi praenti
[15:09] < _NULL_> <-- feels like a bot (hi. have fun. bye.) *sigh*
[15:27] < praenti> ok i leave now. will see when i can be online today evening. must do some driver jobs for two people who run "halbmarathon"
[15:28] < daja77> hmmm I thought _NULL_ is a bot *ggg*
[15:29] < daja77> re
[15:29] < _NULL_> daja77: *kick* :p
[15:29] < _NULL_> wb
[15:30] < daja77> thx, just kidding
[15:30] < _NULL_> i know
[15:30] < daja77> otherwise I would be dead...
[15:31] < _NULL_> full ack
[15:31] < daja77> ;)
[15:34] < daja77> hmm does it mean CET or CEST?
[15:36] < _NULL_> CEST
[15:36] < daja77> very good
[15:37] < daja77> _NULL_: do you join that talk
[15:37] < _NULL_> why should i?
[15:38] < daja77> dunno, I just ask
[15:38] < daja77> hmm wtf is rootboard
[15:38] < _NULL_> dunno
[15:45] < daja77> this wheater is depressing
[15:46] < snyke> yes
[15:46] < snyke> pure sun... terrible
[15:47] < daja77> sun, no
[15:47] < snyke> what is your weather?
[15:48] < daja77> cloudy but warm moisty air
[15:53] < daja77> hi snyke btw
[15:54] < snyke> ah
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[16:20] < Be-El> re
[16:36] < rolla> re
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[17:29] < daja77> *argh*
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[17:38] < daja77> devilz: are you here?
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[17:38] < devilz> daja77: sure
[17:39] < daja77> could you stop this quitting and rejoining please
[17:39] < daja77> hi martin
[17:39] < martin> hi daja77, hi all
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[17:41] < daja77> hmm rocklinux-talk is filling... ;)
[17:45] < __mnemoc> today is the day?
[17:46] < daja77> __mnemoc: what?
[17:46] < __mnemoc> how much can take the translation?
[17:47] < daja77> dunno, depends on how long the talk is
[17:47] < __mnemoc> 8pm->12pm?
[17:47] < daja77> their is no limitation in jocelyn's announcement
[17:47] < daja77> hi __mnemoc  btw
[17:47] < daja77> there
[17:48] < __mnemoc> hi daja77 :) ... how is rtai going?
[17:49] < daja77> ahem maybe I release later that day depend s on how my other projects progress ;)
[17:50] < daja77> the package already compiles
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[17:53] < _NULL_> re
[17:53] < daja77> wb _NULL_
[17:53] < _NULL_> thx
[18:06] < rolla> re
[18:06] < n00kie_> wb _NULL_
[18:06] < daja77> hi rolla
[18:07] < daja77> hello n00kie_
[18:07] < n00kie_> Hola daja77  :)
[18:07] < n00kie_> Comó esta usted? ;)
[18:07] < daja77> n00kie_: I am not spanish, remember?
[18:08] < n00kie_> yep
[18:08] < n00kie_> But you can try :)
[18:08] < _NULL_> hi rolla , n00kie_
[18:08] < daja77> mir geht es gut, danke
[18:09] < n00kie_> Muy bien, gracias le, y?
[18:09] < n00kie_> You should write this :)
[18:09] < daja77> rolla: #19 ;)
[18:09]   n00kie_ constantly learning spanish. ;)
[18:14] < __mnemoc> i would love to learn deutsch
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[18:14] < daja77> __mnemoc: ;)
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[18:15] < __mnemoc> it's too strange... reeealy long words and you said the numbers backward :(
[18:15]   n00kie_ is seeing guys talking #rocklinux-talk
[18:17] < daja77> __mnemoc: *lool*
[18:18]   __mnemoc , the german speaker
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[18:25] < Be-El> re
[18:25] < n00kie_> wb Be-El
[18:25] < daja77> re Be-El
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[18:37]   n00kie_ things daja77 is the greetbot. ;)
[18:37] < n00kie_> thinks
[18:38] < daja77> yeah cos _NULL_  is too0 lazy today for thos :PP
[18:38] < daja77> this even
[18:39] < n00kie_> _NULL_ is the laziest boy on earth :)
[18:39] < daja77> *rofl*
[18:39] < daja77> don't tell her...
[18:39] < n00kie_> her? ;)
[18:40] < daja77> yes you _still_ don't knoe it *ggg*
[18:40] < n00kie_> And daja77 is the BF of her? :p
[18:41] < daja77> no!
[18:41] < n00kie_> i guess, you are. ;)
[18:41] < daja77> you guess wrong
[18:42] < n00kie_> No, I don't ;)
[18:42] < n00kie_> hehe
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[18:42] < n00kie_> moep: #rocklinux-talk
[18:42] < n00kie_> :)
[18:42] < moep> k thx (:
[18:44] < daja77> _NULL_: you mighjt kick n00kie if you please
[18:44] < n00kie_> No.
[18:44] < n00kie_> daja77 is a bad guy.
[18:44] < n00kie_> He wants to kick me.
[18:44] < _NULL_> n00kie_: EEEEH!!!  *kick* i'm female!
[18:45] < _NULL_> and - daja77 is not my bf
[18:45] < _NULL_> but why the hell should i be lazy?
[18:45] < daja77> ack
[18:46] < daja77> _NULL_: cos it is your job to say hi to the people *ggg*
[18:46] < n00kie_> _NULL_ coz Mike1 said it. ;)
[18:46] < _NULL_> <-- doing LFS... , so i can't be lzay :p  (and my own distro)
[18:46] < daja77> yeah I know
[18:46]   n00kie_ thought about Dev_NULL_ Linux. :)
[18:47] < daja77> n00kie_: please let her alnoen
[18:47] < daja77> alone, damn it
[18:48] < n00kie_> alright.
[18:48] < netrunner> daja: hey, you're not alone :)
[18:48] < netrunner> daja: if you have to much time, you could give me a hint with my problem ...
[18:48] < daja77> netrunner: *gg*
[18:49] < n00kie_> daja77 never has to much time.
[18:49] < n00kie_> He must greet. ;)
[18:49] < _NULL_> daja77: why should he leave me alone?
[18:49] < _NULL_> .oO(*grml* i'm hating isdn)
[18:50]   n00kie_ would give his ADSL Trafficflat for a ISDN Flat.
[18:50] < daja77> _NULL_: ahem he shouldn't tease you too much, so that you don't explode today
[18:50] < daja77> n00kie_: ???????
[18:50] < _NULL_> there's nothing like a isdn-flat... but dial-up...
[18:50] < _NULL_> daja77: hrm. yeah. could be true...
[18:51]   _NULL_ np: slipknot - people = shit (once again)
[19:01] < Mike1> moin all.
[19:01] < __mnemoc> wb Mike1
[19:01] < n00kie_> wb Mike1 :)
[19:02] < __mnemoc> Mike1: rolla was unsuccessfuly trying your iso
[19:02] < Mike1> thanks :)
[19:02] < Mike1> __mnemoc: mm.. what did he exactly said about it?
[19:03] < __mnemoc> an fs module was corrupt and no perl
[19:04] < daja77> lol no perl drives rolla crazy :)
[19:08] < Mike1> __mnemoc: no perl? on which iso? i created an iso for him this week and it had perl
[19:09] < __mnemoc> that's what just what he said :(
[19:10] < Mike1> __mnemoc: very strange..
[19:10] < __mnemoc> he had to download and build it locally
[19:11] < Mike1> mm...
[19:11] < Mike1> __mnemoc: very strange
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[19:11] < Be-El> re
[19:11] < __mnemoc> hi BL
[19:12] < __mnemoc> Mike1: i'm trying to add UML as an architecture... any important issue i had to know?
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[19:13] < Mike1> UML target you mean?
[19:13] < __mnemoc> using architecture/*/download.txt and it's parse-config
[19:13] < Mike1> mmm... why as an arch?
[19:13] < Mike1> i am working on a User Mode Linux target
[19:13] < Mike1> __mnemoc: btw is UML = User Mode Linux for you ?
[19:14] < __mnemoc> yep
[19:14] < Mike1> why would you add it as an arch and not as a target?
[19:14] < __mnemoc> i have used it just over x86.... is it different over other archs?
[19:14] < Mike1> well i am not sure, i have never really had the chance to use on others than x86
[19:14] < Mike1> but i wouldn't think of adding it as an arch but as a target
[19:15] < __mnemoc> i haven't looked it deeply but make menuconfig ARCH=um looks like a pseudo-architecture
[19:15] < daja77> Mike1: ack choose uml target and dest arch
[19:15] < __mnemoc> doing it as an architecture we could use any target over UML
[19:16] < __mnemoc> a UM machine is *not* multiplatform?
[19:17] < Mike1> mm... your concept sounds pretty interesting
[19:18] < __mnemoc> we could add uml-tools and skan optionaly to any target for hosting uml machines
[19:18] < __mnemoc> and build any config to run under it
[19:20] < __mnemoc> the other reason to include download.txt to architectures is in patching ALL kernels to make PPC stable ;)
[19:23] < Mike1> mm...
[19:23] < Mike1> so it would become quite handy to have UML as an arch and also as target...
[19:23] < __mnemoc> tell somehitng :(
[19:23] < Mike1> sorry for the lag my boss was asking mew something
[19:23] < Mike1> :)
[19:24] < daja77> mooo
[19:24] < __mnemoc> 'real' work is first :D
[19:24] < __mnemoc> mooo? daja77 is a cow?
[19:25] < daja77> __mnemoc: sure a mad cow :pp
[19:25] < __mnemoc> hehe
[19:25] < Mike1> __mnemoc: mooo was the greeting used by the member of the Mathilda cult team
[19:25] < Mike1> __mnemoc: you were not here when that existed
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[19:26] < __mnemoc> writing down... mooo=greeting
[19:26] < _NULL_> hi chaosmaster
[19:26] < n00kie_> hola chaosmaster :-)
[19:26] < __mnemoc> hi chaos
[19:27] < chaosmaster> hi, n00kie and all - hdd still down?
[19:27] < n00kie_> yep chaosmaster
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[19:46] < george> hallole
[19:46] < chaosmaster> hallo
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[19:46] < daja77> argh shit
[19:47] < esden> daja77: ???
[19:47] < daja77> george could have joined #rocklinux-talk as well
[19:47] < chaosmaster> goood!
[19:48] < daja77> he is there, good
[19:48] < snyke> memememememme
[19:48] < snyke> EMEEEE
[19:48] < snyke> MEEEEEEee
[19:48] < snyke> ouch
[19:48] < chaosmaster> snyke: me what?
[19:48] < snyke> no
[19:48] < snyke> #rocklinux-talk
[19:48] < snyke> ;)
[19:48] < chaosmaster> ja, dann komm
[19:48]   snyke sitting next to esden
[19:48] < snyke> :)
[19:48] < snyke> har
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[19:58] < daja77> miret: do you want to join #rocklinux-talk?
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[19:58] < miret> yes
[19:59] < n00kie> re
[19:59] < daja77> miret: do so!
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[20:06] < _NULL_> hi tcr
[20:07] < _NULL_> tcr: #rocklinux-talk
[20:07] < daja77> cool with radio stream
[20:07]   n00kie without any Soundcard
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[20:08] < tsa> hi all
[20:08] < tcr> moin all
[20:08] < daja77> tsa: join #rocklinux-talk
[20:08] < n00kie> Heya tsa
[20:09] < _NULL_> hi tsa
[20:09] < Be-El> moin tsa
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[20:09] < tcr> Who will translate it? I'd principally do it..
[20:14] < tcr> Ping
[20:14]   Mike1 hides with the rest of the people
[20:14] < daja77> tcr: dunno let's talk about that later
[20:14] < tcr> moin Mike1
[20:14] < chaosmaster> daja77: hier nix - nur talk!
[20:14] < tcr> ?
[20:15] < daja77> chaosmaster: :p
[20:15] < chaosmaster> mv * /dev/rocklinux-talk
[20:15] < Mike1> hi tcr
[20:16] < tcr> Muhah! chaosmaster, ain't you multitask capable?! You damn DOS luser!! ;)
[20:16] < chaosmaster> hahaha!
[20:16] < daja77> lol
[20:17] < daja77> anyway I can talk wherever I want
[20:17] < chaosmaster> and any lang you want :)
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[20:20] < daja77> chaosmaster: nope english here
[20:21] < chaosmaster> sayonara, daja77 san.
[20:21] < __mnemoc> hehe
[20:21] < daja77> ??
[20:21] < chaosmaster> i'm just taking some japanese lessons ....
[20:22] < daja77> good for you
[20:22] < _NULL_> chaosmaster: anime/manga-fan?
[20:22] < chaosmaster> jeps!
[20:22] < daja77> lol
[20:22] < _NULL_> hehe ;)))
[20:23] < _NULL_> do you know - blame, blade, fake?
[20:23] < daja77> blindcoder
[20:24] < _NULL_> daja77: ???
[20:24] < daja77> blindcoder <-- anime fan
[20:24] < chaosmaster> good 2 know
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[20:44] < chaosmaster> hello
[20:44] < chaosmaster> would you like 2 join the german talk?
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[20:45] < Aska> hi
[20:45] < chaosmaster> hi
[20:45] < _NULL_> hi Aska
[20:45] < Aska> hi n00kie!
[20:46] < daja77> varg, Aska please join #rocklinux-talk ;)
[20:46] < n00kie> Hola Aska
[20:46] < n00kie> #rocklinux-talk
[20:47] < tcr> Ok, people I don't want to translate it. Too much *bg*
[20:48] < daja77> tcr: maybe I can help
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[20:48] < Mike1> tcr: you already volunteered to do it, its to late to change ur mind
[20:48] < daja77> hehehe
[20:48] < daja77> Mike1: do you understand #rocklinux-talk
[20:49] < Mike1> daja77: now you have offered yourself to do it with tcr so you can't change your mind
[20:49] < Mike1> daja77: lets say i get 30 - 40% of it :((
[20:49] < daja77> better than nothing, right?
[20:49] < Mike1> daja77: yeah
[20:50] < Mike1> hopefully you will be there on the Spanish talk :)
[20:50] < tcr> Mike1 is teh a pwn!
[20:50] < Mike1> i know n00kie will join us for sure
[20:50] < Mike1> tcr: why?
[20:50] < tcr> Mike1: Well, not when spanish people write as fast as they talk! ;)
[20:51] < n00kie> yes Mike1 :)
[20:51] < tcr> Mike1: Well, You german seems to be better than I've expected it
[20:52] < Mike1> tcr: is it bad?
[20:52] < tcr> Mike1: No, but _I_ can hardly follow it ;) So I thought you're doomed to fail at it
[20:52] < Mike1> lol
[20:52] < Mike1> tcr: so show us some of your spanish
[20:53] < chaosmaster> paelia
[20:53] < Mike1> lol
[20:53] < Mike1> chaosmaster: Paella :)
[20:53] < chaosmaster> ups! ;) ich unwissender ....
[20:53] < n00kie> I've got a good spanish teacher :)
[20:54] < n00kie> Called Mike1
[20:54] < Mike1> chaosmaster: no, just a little typo
[20:54] < _NULL_> hehe ;)
[20:54] < Mike1> n00kie: hehe
[20:54] < tcr> Mike1: I chose french instead spanish two years ago... Though I'm a latin crack, and thus I understand a bit when reading it
[20:54] < chaosmaster> Mike1: thanks!
[20:54]   _NULL_ needs to improve her spanish till june, too
[20:54] < daja77> _NULL_: why?
[20:54] < Mike1> sure you guys have one moneht to become fluent in spanish
[20:54] < Mike1> so hurry up
[20:54]   Mike1 *vbeg*
[20:54] < _NULL_> daja77: because i will be in spain for about two weeks
[20:55] < _NULL_> Mike1: blllllll :p
[20:55] < daja77> _NULL_: ah yes
[20:55] < Mike1> _NULL_: there will be a rock linux spanish talk in june also, will you join us?
[20:55] < _NULL_> Mike1: nope.
[20:55] < Mike1> _NULL_: !
[20:56] < _NULL_> <-- will be lazy and drive trough mallorca and so on
[20:56] < Mike1> _NULL_: as n00kie stated you are always too lazy
[20:56] < Mike1> == 06:02:16 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.2 1.7-snapshot].
[20:56] < Mike1> == 05/10/03 06:53:39 =[5]=> Finished building package xfree86.
[20:56] < _NULL_> Mike1: *kick*
[20:56] < Mike1> geez 50 minutes building xfree86
[20:57] < Mike1> this is slow >_< :((
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[21:00] < netrunner> Mike: nobody breaks my 9h glibc :)
[21:00] < Mike1> netrunner: urrgss!
[21:00] < Mike1> netrunner: it takes 20 minutes to build here :)
[21:00] < daja77> netrunner: why did you use a 286
[21:00] < netrunner> Mike: do you have a smp box?
[21:01] < Mike1> netrunner: hehe yes :)
[21:01] < netrunner> daja: p3-500
[21:01] -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Today at 8pm CET rootboard talk in #rocklinux-talk All german speaking JOIN!!! | ROCK Linux approaching 2.0 - join now ( clifford 1.7 tree: cvs -d :pserver:[email protected]:/home/cvs co -P rock-src-1.7; rxr 2.0 tree: svn co https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/ )
[21:01] -!- Topic set by esden [Sat May 10 13:40:55 2003]
[21:01] < netrunner> mike: what setup? (I need a new build box :)
[21:01]   Mike1 has 3 smp boxes to play with
[21:01] < netrunner> mike: so what do you recommend?
[21:01] < Mike1> netrunner: Box 1: 2x450mhz P2 512mb RAM
[21:02] < Mike1> netrunner: Box 2: 2x1500mhz Athlon MP 1024MB RAM
[21:03] < Mike1> netrunner: Box 3: 4x2400 Xeon 4096mb RAM
[21:03] < Mike1> but box 3 is currently bene used for another thing so cant build rock on it :(
[21:04] < netrunner> mike: oh, 4x xeon will probably be to expensive  for me :)
[21:04] < Mike1> netrunner: and there is my home box which is 2x1700 mhz Atlon XP + 512mb ram
[21:04] < netrunner> mike: if box2 needs <1h for xfree, this will suffice I think :)
[21:04] < Mike1> netrunner: get a dual 2400 Athlon xp, it will do the trick to you
[21:05] < netrunner> mike: I read on the web that athlon mp does not always work ... bur those comments were rather old. has that changed?
[21:05] < n00kie> Mike1: I would have box 3 :)
[21:05] < Mike1> n00kie: hehe
[21:05] < chaosmaster> Mike1: pls join sparc discussion in talk
[21:05] < netrunner> nookie: i have boxes like this at work, but they run the wrong os :)
[21:06] < n00kie> ehehe
[21:06] < n00kie> Box 1: 1*P1 120MHz, Box 2: 1*Celeron 500, Box 3: 1*Athlon XP 2300
[21:07] < netrunner> oh, the total # of boxes is  10 (currently powered on: 5) here :)
[21:07] < netrunner> but half of them is _way_ out of discussion for a build machine :)
[21:07] < netrunner> (oldest is an 8086 portable with 8MHz and 2x2,5" DD drives)
[21:07] < Mike1> chaosmaster: damn my german is too lame o help the guy
[21:08] < Mike1> i need a translator
[21:08] < n00kie> Mike1:
[21:08] < n00kie> Should I translate?
[21:08] < netrunner> mike: i could try, whom?
[21:08] < chaosmaster> thats sad - as his eng is also poor
[21:08] < Mike1> yes please help me guys
[21:08] < Mike1> chaosmaster: i understand a bit but to answer is another story :(
[21:09] < chaosmaster> im just asking if he wishes more contact
[21:10] < netrunner> seems not to be neccessary any more ...
[21:14] < Mike1> many querys for me
[21:14]   Mike1 driving cr4azy
[21:15] < daja77> lol, poor Mike1
[21:16] < chaosmaster> there are 35 ppl asking <scream>
[21:16] < Mike1> chaosmaster: it is a nightmare for you now think of someone understanding less than 40% of the questions
[21:16] < daja77> *aargh*
[21:17] < chaosmaster> Mike1: but its nice, you try it anyway! there's less traffic on the list, but hopefully some of them will arrive there
[21:18] < Mike1> yes if we manage to get 2 or 3 users from thisd talk it will be a success
[21:19] < Mike1> even if wer only get 1 user
[21:19] < chaosmaster> :)
[21:19] < chaosmaster> but please 1 active user, even if he reports "it doesnt work for me" - we neeed more feedback
[21:19] < Mike1> chaosmaster: after this german talk spanish talk will come and so it will happen with other langs
[21:20] < Mike1> so its cool :)
[21:20] < daja77> ack
[21:20] < chaosmaster> Mike1: i dont speek spanish, but can offer polish and "japanese" ;)
[21:21] < Mike1> chaosmaster: so you and esden speak polish i feela  polish talk comming soon :)
[21:21] < Mike1> an english talk should be offered to sometime
[21:21] < chaosmaster> that possible all the time, as rocklinux is online and the ml is also there
[21:22] < Mike1> chaosmaster: yes, but i mean it as a PR thing to bring more people
[21:22] < Mike1> :)
[21:23] < chaosmaster> of course, PR is always good
[21:24] < Mike1> this talks idea is something that i like very much
[21:24] < daja77> Mike1: ack
[21:24] < chaosmaster> we can reach more ppl by this and maybe its not so hard to ask question among other newbies
[21:32] < netrunner> chaosmaster: I also speak some words polish: pivo, motek (uh, I said speak, not spell ;)
[21:32] < chaosmaster> yes, its ok - you will at least get drunken and than hammered to death ;)
[21:34] < netrunner> chaos: I also remember that girl teaching me 'do not kiss', but I can not remember this one as it has not been important to me ;)
[21:35] < chaosmaster> nie caluj
[21:36] < netrunner> ah :) well - it's not been that essential :)
[21:36] < chaosmaster> i know - you wouldnt need that
[21:37] < netrunner> and I created my own cussword with the help of a dictionairy, sounds like 'jaiko na mienko' (should mean sth like soft egg, the german 'weichei' ;)
[21:38] < netrunner> they polish guys here soon started to use it :)
[22:19] < Mike1> 1530 builds total, 417 completed fine, 7 with errors.
[22:19] < rxr> re
[22:19] < Mike1> rxr !
[22:19] < Mike1> welcome back :)
[22:19] < martin> hi rxr
[22:19] < Mike1> rxr join #rocklinux-talk
[22:19] < daja77> ack, I need a pause
[22:20] < Mike1> daja77: a pause? what for?
[22:20] < daja77> to fetch a pizza
[22:20] < Mike1> lazy boy
[22:20] < daja77> lazy sorry it is 22:20 and I had no dinner
[22:21] < Mike1> :))
[22:21] < Mike1> daja77: ok you are allowe dto eat
[22:21] < Mike1> :P
[22:21] < daja77> Mike1: thank you very much, you are so nice to me...
[22:22] < Mike1> of course
[22:22] < Mike1> i am always nice
[22:22] < Mike1> :P
[22:22] < daja77> Mike1: go to woden and report :p
[22:22] < Mike1> i did
[22:23] < Mike1> daja77: but no one is talking
[22:24] < rxr> is there something usefull on the -talk ? I currently see nothing interesting
[22:25] < rxr> is there a log ?
[22:25] < daja77> rxr: yeah the bsd guys are totally annoying
[22:25] < tcr> Well, as usual ;)))
[22:26] < daja77> tcr: yeah
[22:26] < tcr> There must be a school for them that teachs them about arrogance and annoyance of linux users ;)))
[22:26] < daja77> tcr: the best thing is that one of them blames me for intolerance on another chan
[22:27] < rxr> is there a log?
[22:27] < rxr> esden: are you here? do you have a log ?
[22:27] < tcr> Well, Already too narrow-minded to see their narrow-mindness ;) That also got a special psychologic term, that I'm not aware of though
[22:27] < daja77> esden is away
[22:27] < tcr> rxr: Esden logs, but he went away
[22:29] < daja77> this discussion sucks
[22:29] < Mike1> daja77: ?
[22:29] < tcr> daja77: Hmm?
[22:29] < daja77> I'll tell you later get some food first
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[22:30] < cOdEz> hi
[22:30] < tcr> Moin
[22:30] < daja77> hi cOdEz
[22:31] < cOdEz> und wie laeuft der chat?
[22:32] < __mnemoc> cOdEz: english please
[22:33] < cOdEz> kk
[22:33] < cOdEz> everbody here enjoy the talk?
[22:34] < _NULL_> dennis == cOdEz ?
[22:35] < cOdEz> no
[22:35] < cOdEz> cOdEz == cOdEz
[22:35] < _NULL_> ok...
[22:35] < cOdEz> :)
[22:35] < rxr> strange chat ...
[22:36] < tcr> rxr: You came to the wrong point of time, maybe that's it! ;)
[22:36] < rxr> tcr: hm - I'll read the log later ...
[22:36] < __mnemoc> how will translate these 5 hours?
[22:36] < n00kie> esden
[22:37] < tcr> __mnemoc: By cutting most off. Picking out the questions and the answers
[22:37] < Mike1> __mnemoc: tcr and daja77 so kindly volunteered to translate it all.
[22:37] < n00kie> ah
[22:37] < Be-El> man babelfish ;-)
[22:37] < tcr> __mnemoc: under a structure of course
[22:37] < tcr> s,under,in,
[22:37] < daja77> wow fireworks again
[22:38] < daja77> cOdEz: no I don't enjoy it
[22:38] < Mike1> hehe
[22:38] < cOdEz> daja77: why i don't?
[22:38] < cOdEz> daja77: why u don't?
[22:38] < cOdEz> :)
[22:39] < daja77> cOdEz: these bsd guys getting on my nerves
[22:39] < tcr> daja77: why not... c'm on, you need an Ego to survive anyway
[22:39] < tcr> Even in the ``real'' world
[22:40] < daja77> tcr: ack it is just so *38##23*
[22:40] < _NULL_> https://downloads.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs-bootscripts-1.11.tar.bz2
[22:40] < daja77> *aaargh* they discuss novell
[22:40] < _NULL_> *argh* sorry...
[22:47] < tcr> __mnemoc! Sorry, I still can't send emails (I'm about spending some investigation why right now), but:
[22:47] < tcr> __mnemoc: https://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=646
[22:48] < tcr> __mnemoc: That was the email I wanted to refer you to
[22:48] < tcr> s,refer,point, # gosh, where are my thoughts today
[22:52] < __mnemoc> thanks
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[23:06] < rxr> Mike1: should the minimal target be bootable ?
[23:07] < rxr> (from CD ?)
[23:07] < Mike1> rxr well to be installed yes of course
[23:07] < rxr> do run directly live-cd-style from CD, without installation?
[23:08] < Mike1> mm... that would require a total redisgn of the target and wouldn't do what it is spected to do
[23:08] < Mike1> rxr: but the packages on it could be used as the base for for the live-cd target
[23:08] < Mike1> rxr of course you might be having a great idea that i might be loosing, why would you like to run minimal on a live-cd?
[23:09] < Mike1> what advantages would it provide? etc..
[23:09]   Mike1 is open to discussion
[23:09] < Mike1> :)
[23:12] < Mike1> rxr?
[23:12] < rxr> jo
[23:12] < Mike1> ...
[23:13]   Mike1 waiting for rxr's comments...
[23:13] < tcr> Mike1: It's quite late over here ;)
[23:13] < rxr> it would be mostly used for bootrap compilations, so people would like to build - without hassle with installation ...
[23:13] < rxr> but anyway - it can also stay installable as it is now ...
[23:14] < Mike1> rxr well we could add new target 'bootstarp' or 'small-live-cd'
[23:14] < Mike1> which can do such thing
[23:15] < Mike1> i would like to keep minimal installable as it would as well be usefull for others to created other targets based on it, or to simple use it as another router option
[23:15] < Mike1> as well as a small system to simply run rock on boxes with smal hd's
[23:15] < Mike1> small*
[23:15] < n00kie> mmhm
[23:15] < n00kie> Mike1: Small LiveCD sounds interresting
[23:16] < Mike1> rxr ur idea is nice, very nice, but we also can't forget about users with small systems
[23:16] < Mike1> thats why maybe Small-live-cd target could be an interesting idea to do
[23:16] < Mike1> what do you think?
[23:16] < Mike1> n00kie: :)
[23:16] < n00kie> How do you define "Small" Systems?
[23:17] < n00kie> I would take the LiveCD for slow computers
[23:17] < Mike1> nothing running X is a good start define it
[23:17] < n00kie> yep
[23:17] < n00kie> I thought about:
[23:17] < n00kie> Base System
[23:17] < n00kie> Build System (to Basesystem?)
[23:18] < n00kie> Some Internettools (Browser, IRC Client, Mailclient)
[23:18] < Mike1> n00kie: well if you just wanna run rock on them yes, but if you want to build rock on those systems you might find your self in trouble, also there is the fact on slow systems you won't be able to boot from cdrom on 80%of the cases
[23:18] < n00kie> editors
[23:18] < n00kie> mm
[23:18] < n00kie> yes
[23:18] < Mike1> n00kie: we even would take out something from base repos
[23:18] < n00kie> you've right
[23:18] < tcr> It should stay minimal
[23:18] < n00kie> but do you know smartbootmgr?
[23:18] < tcr> IMGO
[23:19] < tcr> IMHO
[23:19] < Mike1> n00kie: no i don't, URL?
[23:20] < n00kie> mom
[23:20] < Mike1> tcr: what do you think? should minimal be a live-cd thing in stead of instalable?
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[23:20] < n00kie> Mike1:
[23:20] < n00kie> I don't think it's important to install the livecd
[23:21] < daja77> Mike1: both
[23:21] < n00kie> Mike1:
[23:21] < n00kie> https://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
[23:22] < n00kie> It's a Bootmanager, which got installed on a Floppydisk
[23:22] < Mike1> daja77: so who votes for the 'Small-LiveCD' target?
[23:22] < n00kie> On old systems, you can Boot from CD then
[23:22] < Mike1> n00kie: sounds cool
[23:22]   n00kie votes
[23:22] < Mike1> will check it out
[23:22] < Mike1> rxr: what do you think?
[23:22] < tcr> Mike1: Live-CD would be an overload
[23:22] < Mike1> tcr: ?
[23:23] < tcr> Why not just an extra target?
[23:23] < Mike1> tcr: are you sure you are reading th question?
[23:23] < Mike1> who votes for the 'Small-LiveCD' target? <---
[23:24]   daja77 votes too
[23:24] < daja77> *argh* I was cut
[23:24] < n00kie> :)
[23:24] < tcr> <Mike1> tcr: what do you think? should minimal be a live-cd thing in stead of instalable? <- I read that
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[23:24] < Mike1> daja77: :)
[23:24] < Mike1> tcr: ah okis :)
[23:25] < Mike1> tcr: i think its better to keep 2 targets
[23:25] < Mike1> as minimal would have to be transformed completely if we turned it into livecd..
[23:26] < tcr> Mike1: Hmm, wouldn't it be better to create just a live-cd target where _you_ can yourself select the packages that should get onto the cd(s) ?
[23:26] < Mike1> tcr: might be..., but would you consider running more than 1 cd?
[23:27]   Mike1 confused on this...
[23:27] < rxr> tcr: sure for the livecd target you can select the packages - but it would be nice to provide a normal and a minmal preconfiguration ...
[23:27] < n00kie> hmm
[23:27] < Mike1> rxr: full ack
[23:27] < n00kie> tcr's idea is interreseting too
[23:27] < tcr> rxr: Certainly, but that shouldn't be solved by two targets, should it?
[23:27] < n00kie> but i think two targets would be better
[23:28] < Be-El> if the live-cd target should be used for evaluation purposes, we should strip out all development files like header files, static libraries etc.
[23:28] < Be-El> this should reduce the amount of space needed on the cd
[23:28] < tcr> Be-El: that could be a 'presentation' target
[23:28] < tcr> based upon the live-cd target
[23:28] < n00kie> tcr: Ack
[23:28] < Be-El> or we should make it a rock-wide option
[23:29] < Be-El> the routetr target for example doesn't need these files, too
[23:29] < Mike1> :)
[23:29] < rxr> we'll see
[23:30] < Be-El> .oO (ok, i should had a look at the target script before ;-) )
[23:31] < Mike1> rxr: maybe we could work out our ideas and merge them during the week
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[23:31] < daja77_> re
[23:31] < n00kie> wb daja77
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[23:33] < daja77> *argh* damn it my whole session blown up
[23:36] < n00kie> hmm
[23:36] < n00kie> tcr talked about a presentation target
[23:36] < n00kie> what about a "development" and a "presentation" target?
[23:37] < Mike1> n00kie: this aka livecd fullfeatured
[23:37] < n00kie> Ah, okay.
[23:37] < n00kie> Just had the Idea :)
[23:38] < Mike1> n00kie: speak out ur ideas :)
[23:38] < Mike1> i wanna listen to them
[23:38] < n00kie> ehehe :)
[23:40] < n00kie> https://proforma.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html <- Didn't know about that
[23:41] < daja77> n00kie: why real player for linux is an old hat
[23:41] < n00kie> hmm
[23:42] < n00kie> I didn't know, that real player is on linux too
[23:47] < tcr> Hmmm
[23:47] < daja77> it sucks anyway
[23:47] < tcr> I'm getting and getting 'Relay Access Denied' from some server -- though I do pop before smtp
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[23:48] < tcr> Has anyone a clue what could cause this?
[23:48] < n00kie> Mike1: Do you thought about the packages, that the "Small Live CD" will contain?
[23:49] < Mike1> minimal target pkgs
[23:49] < Mike1> maybe a few more..
[23:49] < n00kie> I mean, for what usergroup?
[23:50] < n00kie> Do you mean just for users, who wanna work
[23:50] < Mike1> not sure yet
[23:50] < n00kie> or to really PRESENT it ?
[23:50] < n00kie> For "PRESENT" what functions rock has got and so ? :)
[23:50] < n00kie> and for normal users a workstation
[23:50] < n00kie> You understand? :)
[23:51] < Mike1> yeah
[23:51] < Mike1> brb
[23:51] < n00kie> k
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