-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sat May 17 00:00:06 2003
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Sat May 17 2003
[00:00]   tsa currently downloading the missing packages..
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[00:11] < tsa> rxr:  download/nikolaus/cantus/cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz.extck-err
[00:11] < tsa> broken [ð], probably.
[00:11] < tsa> [D], even
[00:11] < mnemoc> iirc that's a 404
[00:12] < tsa> # cat download/nikolaus/cantus/cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz.extck-err
[00:12] < tsa> <font face='Verdana,Arial' size='2'><center><br><br>The file "cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz" is not available for download.<br>Please contact the server administrator <a href='mailto:[email protected]'>[email protected]</a>.
[00:12] < mnemoc> 404 :)
[00:17] < mnemoc> mmm.... 1-coreutils doesn't build ln?
[00:17] < rxr> tsa: a problem with the acutla download script ...
[00:17] < tsa> ah..
[00:18] < rxr> the url is ok - but the ? or so is confusing s.th.
[00:20] < mnemoc> O_o
[00:22] < mnemoc> if it's confused why does it identify the file?
[00:24] < mnemoc> https://sam.homeunix.com/software.manicsadness.com-step3/releases/cantus/cantus-1.06-1.tar.gz <--- this is the right location
[00:24] < rxr> Committed revision 281.
[00:25] < tsa> will "svn up" remove download/* ?
[00:25] < rxr> tsa: no
[00:25] < rxr> it only applies changes to files under version control
[00:25] < tsa> svn: 'https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux' is not a working copy
[00:25] < tsa> huh?
[00:25] < rxr> tsa: what have you done?
[00:25] < mnemoc> rock-trunk
[00:26] < rxr> a simple svn up ?
[00:26] < tsa> svn up https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk/
[00:26] < rxr> maybe it expects a . at the end or so
[00:26] < rxr> but simply run it within the $base dir wihtout argument
[00:27] < tsa> aah
[00:27] < tsa> better now.
[00:27] < tsa> Updated to revision 281.
[00:28] < rxr> tsa: quite fast isn't it ?
[00:28] < tsa> ack, it's better now.
[00:31] < tsa> (but i'd vote for installing svn with prefix=/usr
[00:31] < tsa> )
[00:31] < tsa> /opt/apache is kind of confusing.
[00:36] < rxr> tsa: nope it includes apache modules
[00:42] < tsa> Wuahahahahaha!
[00:42]   tsa ROTFLs
[00:42] < tsa> i've just done a short google search for ISPs in Hameln..
[00:43] < tsa> one schlund reseller
[00:43] < tsa> a "multimedia agentur"
[00:43] < tsa> and a "professional isp", who got his own domain from freedomains.de
[00:44] < tsa> perhaps i should found my own company there..
[00:46] < mnemoc> tsa: what ROTFL means? i guess i know R.TF. but O and L?
[00:47] < tsa> _R_olling _O_n _T_he _F_loor _L_aughing
[00:50] < mnemoc> :D
[00:51] < tsa> ;)
[00:52] < rxr> rolla: yes Hameln ...
[00:53] < rxr> arhg
[00:53] < rxr> I should go to bed ...
[00:53] < tsa> rxr: hehe
[00:53] < mnemoc> follow your destiny
[00:54] < rxr> mnemoc: I now added your URL for the cantus download
[00:54] < rxr> tsa: you really consider doing ISP stuff in Hameln ?
[00:55] < tsa> rxr: no. curerntly i only consider giving them a call to tell them they don't know anything at all.
[00:55] < rxr> you do those calls from time to time ?
[00:55] < tsa> no, but this is just too ridiculous..
[00:55] < rxr> tsa: tell us more ;-)
[00:55] < tsa> hehe
[00:56] < rxr> btw today a subway trip was
[00:56] < rxr> cool
[00:56] < tsa> why?
[00:56] < tsa> (but since i'm self-employed, it might be a good idea to try to acquire some customers in this region...)
[00:57] < rxr> Verena and I got some sand (a 25 kilogram sack) for our aquarium. When we got out of the train there was some ticket check
[00:58] < tsa> verena = your girlfriend?
[00:58] < rxr> but unfortunaely I wanted to get this damn 25 kilo sack home - so I told them they can get the ticked the next time and walked away
[00:58] < rxr> the person didn't liked that much - talking and complaining ...
[00:58] < tsa> hehe
[00:59] < rxr> so he got this sack into his arms and I searched for the ticked ... *hehe*
[00:59] < rxr> tsa: how do you earn money currently ?
[00:59] < tsa> hehe..i guess he wasn't very `begeistert`
[01:00] < mnemoc> rxr: ${pkg_name}${v} <-- thanks!!!
[01:00] < rxr> tsa: especially not about the fact that I had a valid ticket ...
[01:00] < tsa> rxr: working at a local ISP, self-employed, will probably get a small job at university, too.
[01:01] < rxr> mnemoc: hm?
[01:01] < rxr> I consider doing some commercial stuff arround ROCK in the 4.Q, to get rid of this damn Windows stuff ... (and to improve ROCK more quickly ...)
[01:02] < tsa> rxr: basically, that means i'm open to any kind of interesting job offers, with "interesting" meaning either lots of money or a good place to acquire new skills.
[01:02] < tsa> mostly the latter.
[01:02] < rxr> yes the same here
[01:03] < mnemoc> rxr: the appending of version to gen files
[01:03] < rxr> mnemoc: this was cliff ;-)
[01:04] < mnemoc> so, thanks you cliff ;)
[01:04] < rxr> ;)
[01:05] < rxr> But I guess I'll revert this in the -beta3 release otherwise I have to recrate all the finished packages ...
[01:05] < rxr> revert only in the -beta3 tag ...
[01:06] < rxr> And I guess the gas_gui doe need an adaption for this name change, too
[01:09] < rxr> so -beta3 tagged:
[01:10] < rxr> svn cp https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-trunk https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta3
[01:10] < mnemoc> mine's libtar does not compile with gcc33 :(
[01:11] < rxr> mnemoc: oje
[01:12] < rxr> when you wanna switch your repository over to my -beta3 tag (where I'll apply some final cleanups) do:
[01:12] < rxr> svn switch https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/rock-tags/2.0.0-beta3
[01:12] < rxr> in your $basedir
[01:13] < mnemoc> ok
[01:14] < mnemoc> writng down
[01:14] < rxr> the subversin manual is really enlighting
[01:18] < tsa> rxr: when do you want to release 2.0?
[01:18] < tsa> 4 weeks?
[01:27] < rxr> erhm
[01:27] < rxr> yes s.th. like 4 weeks
[01:28] < rxr> why do you ask ?
[01:29] < mnemoc> rxr can you convice cliff to update mine's libtar?
[01:30] < tsa> rxr: you should lock down the kind of patches you accept.
[01:30] < tsa> rxr: send a mail to the list: only bugfixes, nothing else.
[01:33] < rxr> mnemoc: simply write a mail to the list
[01:33] < tsa> rxr: otherwise you won't get the tree stable...
[01:33] < rxr> tsa: that is difficult - there are some features missing that should make it's way into 2.0
[01:34] < rxr> but sure for the very last time patches will get an even increased review and testing ...
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[01:34] < mnemoc> rxr: you can request .cache files as a 'good patch' flag
[01:36] < mnemoc> i mean... for updates
[01:37] < mnemoc> not features
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[01:37] < tsa> hi demian
[01:37] < mnemoc> demian has returned
[01:37] < demian> hi mnemoc
[01:38] < demian> just while i finish an investigation.. ill be here during some minutes
[01:38] < mnemoc> limited internet access?
[01:39] < demian> nevermind
[01:39] < demian> Mike1 u here ?
[01:39] < tsa> no
[01:39] < demian> i see, thanx
[01:39] < tsa> didnt' say anthing in hours.
[01:44] < rxr> mnemoc: that about .cache files ?
[01:45] < mnemoc> if i want to update some pacakge to a need version, i can warranty that works with the .cache file
[01:46] < mnemoc> instead of just Create-PkgUpPatch
[01:48] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - basically
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[02:22] < Be-El> hi ppl
[02:22] < tsa> hi Be-El..
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[02:36] < esden> hi ho
[02:37] < tsa> hiya esden
[02:37] < mnemoc> hi esden
[02:38] < esden> ahh cool still live here ;-)
[02:39] < Be-El> hi esde
[02:39] < Be-El> anyone with some insight into glibc around ?
[02:40] < demian> umm.
[02:40] < demian> cya later
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[02:42] < esden> Be-El: in how far?
[02:43] < Be-El> esden: i have trouble compiling xemacs...as soon as the newly created binary is executed (e.g. for building the bundled elisp sources), it segfaults
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[02:44] < Be-El> esden: and the backtrace says it segfaults somewhere in nss_db...
[02:45] < esden> ohh ... that is too high for me ...
[02:45] < esden> sorry
[02:46] < Be-El> i think the problem is related to bdb
[02:46]   tsa recommends against using xemacs at all.
[02:46] < mnemoc> i heard about a segfault in openldap when using nssdb becasue the different versions of bdb
[02:47] < Be-El> this bdb stuff should be fixed imho
[02:47] < esden> tsa: full acknowledgement from me
[02:47] < mnemoc> afaik it is fixed
[02:47] < Be-El> bdb 4.1 as default....and no other bdb installed at all
[02:48] < mnemoc> mmm... nssdb doesn't build over 4.1
[02:48] < esden> Be-El: that can also be a problem
[02:48] < mnemoc> ldd it ;)
[02:48] < Be-El> if a package really needs bdb3, it should be statically linked
[02:48] < Be-El> mnemoc: i did...
[02:48] < tsa> Be-El: i think i proposed axactly that about half a year ago..
[02:49] < mnemoc> at least now 4.1 is the default ;)
[02:49] < mnemoc> have your tried 'disabling' nss_db?
[02:50] < Be-El> i'll remove it from nsswitch.conf asap
[02:50] < mnemoc> nssdb is abandonware :|
[02:50] < mnemoc> reboot
[02:50] < mnemoc> brb
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[02:55] < rxr_> re
[02:55] < esden> re rxr_
[02:56] < rxr_> my subversin can now generate commit emails
[02:56] < rxr_> and it does a hot-backup after each commit (as well as a transaction log cleanup ;-)
[02:56]   tsa can generate emails, too.
[02:56] < tsa> ;)
[02:56] < rxr_> ;-)
[02:56] < rxr_> hi esden
[02:56] < tsa> re rxr_, btw..
[02:57] < Be-El> tsa update -PAd
[02:57] < Be-El> ww
[02:57] < Be-El> ;-)
[02:57] < Be-El> re rxr
[02:57] < rxr_> yeah re ;-) I rebooted the server into an newer kernel
[02:57] < rxr_> the 2.4.20 didn't like the Promise IDE controler (hang on boot) - the 2.4.21-rc2 does like it more
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[03:02] < esden> tsa: do not generate too many emails ... otherwise I will have to add you to my spamfilter blacklist ;-)
[03:04] < tsa> hehe
[03:05] < esden> rxr_: 2.4.20 had no problems with my promise controller
[03:06] < tsa> <- going to catch some sleep
[03:07]   esden too
[03:07] < esden> good night everyone
[03:07] < _mnemoc> good night
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[03:12] < rxr_> re
[03:12] < rxr_> I'll go to bed now - cu
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[03:13] < Be-El> going to bed....good idea...
[03:13] < Be-El> cu all
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[09:53] < holyolli> moin
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[09:59] < holyolli> hi nookie
[10:03] < netrunner> moin holyolli, *
[10:04] < holyolli> n'abend netrunner ;-)
[10:05] < netrunner> tss schlafmuetze :)
[10:07] < holyolli> netrunner: hey..ich hab hier noch 1 uhr nachts ;-)
[10:08] < netrunner> holyolli: best time of day, isn't it?
[10:08] < holyolli> netrunner: got it ;-)
[10:18] < n00kie> Hi holyolli
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[10:22] < showGUN> hi all
[10:22] < holyolli> hi showgun
[10:23]   holyolli is now going to bed..cu l8ter...
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[10:24] < showGUN> so anybody awaken
[10:24] < showGUN> what can i do with this d.mned coreutils wich fails even in the 2.0.0-beta2?
[10:39]   showGUN is away, automatically dead (10m) (l/p)
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[11:47] < _NULL_> moin
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[11:51] < Be-El> hi ppl
[11:54] < _NULL_> moin Be-El
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[12:02] < daja77> moin
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[12:03] < _NULL_> hi daja77 , rxr
[12:05] < daja77> hi rxr
[12:05] < daja77> hi _NULL_
[12:06] < Be-El> moin daja77
[12:06] < Be-El> moin rxr
[12:09] < Be-El> well....saturday...noon....it's shopping time
[12:10] < daja77> ack
[12:12]   Be-El puts on his kevlar suit, fastens the helmet and checks and unlock his backpack
[12:12] < Be-El> above ! and beyond ! ;-)
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[12:13] < daja77> hmm I wanna buy a Be-El too...
[12:14] < _NULL_> daja77: why? are you gay? *vbeg*
[12:14] < BL|shop> daja77: sorry, the company has ceased the production and the only available prototype has already been sold ;-)
[12:16] < daja77> BL|shop: hehe ok, have fun
[12:16] < daja77> _NULL_: nope but why not buy a man that does some work for me?
[12:17] < _NULL_> daja77: oki :)
[12:17] < rxr> re
[12:17] < daja77> _NULL_: execpt you like to do it *vbeg*
[12:18] < daja77> strange my mail to rtai list needed 15h to arrive
[12:18] < _NULL_> daja77: nope. not really *kick*
[12:19] < daja77> hehe I knew I would be kicked *sigh*
[12:19] < _NULL_> daja77: hehe. and you're enjoying it, eh?
[12:20] < daja77> not really, but I'd risk it anytime :p
[12:20] < esden> morning
[12:20] < daja77> hi esden :)
[12:21] < netrunner> moin esden!
[12:21] < esden> hi daja77, netrunner
[12:21] < _NULL_> moin esden , netrunner
[12:21] < _NULL_> daja77: tswsssss
[12:22] < _NULL_> -w
[12:22]   netrunner considered building via nfs is very slow. cpu idle 76%
[12:22] < esden> hi _NULL_
[12:22] < esden> *shiver*
[12:23] < rxr> hi esden
[12:23] < esden> hi rxr
[12:24] < daja77> esden: hehe we have 20°C here
[12:24] < esden> hmm ... Joey could answer!! *grml*
[12:24] < esden> daja77: o_O
[12:24] < daja77> esden: well I don't have to shiver ;)
[12:25] < daja77> esden: Joey like in Joey's Pizza *gg*
[12:26] < esden> ahh ... I was under the shower ... and when you run wet through the room it is cold ... even if there are 20°C
[12:26] < daja77> hehe of course how could I forget your shower frequency *ggg*
[12:26] < esden> daja77: yes ... he is the coordinator of linux tag in karlsruhe
[12:26] < daja77> :)
[12:27] < esden> daja77: I am a clean guy!
[12:27] < daja77> ;)
[12:35] < daja77> *aaaaarrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh*
[12:36] < esden> o_O
[12:37] < daja77> I've attached the wrong patch, what a shame
[12:37] < _NULL_> daja77: *lol*
[12:38] < daja77> no this is not funny
[12:38]   daja77 hides in the corner
[12:40] < daja77> damn next time I switch the damn machines of, so that I'll be able to think
[12:43] < esden> daja77: my condolences ...
[12:43] < esden> go somewhere and kick some asses
[12:43] < daja77> yeah will do
[12:44] < esden> that you need your silence ... so that you can work ...
[12:49] < daja77> well I send a second mail out with my apology
[12:49] < _NULL_> <-- sleeping again. gn8
[12:50] < daja77> _NULL_: yeah sleeping is good, have fun
[12:50] < _NULL_> thx. you too
[12:50] < daja77> nah I am not tired...
[12:51] < _NULL_> not sleeping. but having fun ;p
[12:51] < daja77> hehe sure today is museum night in C ;)
[12:52] < esden> o_O
[12:52] < esden> you are learning fortran or so?
[12:52] < daja77> no!
[12:52] < esden> or reading the first ansi standards of C ?
[12:52]   daja77 had a talk about fortran already
[12:53] < esden> poor guy
[12:53] < daja77> all museum are open 'til 2.00 am
[12:53] < daja77> esden: hehe compiler optimisations of fortran loops ;)
[12:54] < daja77> btw C == Chemnitz *gg*
[12:54] < esden> ahh ok
[12:54] < esden> so there comes the name of the language from
[12:55] < esden> so C was invented in Chemnitz after all?
[12:55] < daja77> *lol* ask dennis ritchie...
[12:55] < esden> hmm ... I have to do that
[12:55] < daja77> C is for Chemnitz, what IN is for Infolstadt, or M to Munich, got it
[12:56] < daja77> Ingolstadt
[12:57] < daja77> ok I'll be off for a while...
[12:58] < esden> cu l8er
[13:00] < netrunner> cu esden
[13:03] < esden> I am still here ... I said that to daja77
[13:07] < netrunner> esden: oh, I am not completely concentrated on irc :)
[13:07] < netrunner> btw: I just made some cake, if anybody want's to join for a cup of coffee...
[13:08] < esden> ohh .. yes ... the only problem is that I am currently in ingolstadt ... :-(
[13:08] < netrunner> esden: well, coffee will be ready when you're here :)
[13:10] < esden> nice ... but I have dance class in one hour
[13:11] < netrunner> esden: in ingolstad? not the nearest.
[13:11] < esden> nope
[13:11] < esden> but the dance schools in munich suck
[13:12] < netrunner> but i make cake rather often, so I'll announce it again next time.
[13:12] < esden> _good_
[13:15] < blindcoder> esden: moin. remember: lessons start around 15.20 :D
[13:15] < esden> 15:30
[13:15] < blindcoder> yeah, 10 minutes early to repeat the stuff from last time
[13:15] < esden> ohh ok
[13:16] < blindcoder> okay, I'm taking a much needed bath now :)
[13:16] < blindcoder> see ya later
[13:16] < praenti> hi.
[13:16] < praenti> has anyone a solution for gnucash?
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[13:19] < Be-El> re
[13:19] < Be-El> praenti: bto ?
[13:20] < praenti> gnucash configure says that i would not have any bdb installed on my system
[13:20] < praenti> but i have bdb33 bdb4 and bdb41
[13:21] < praenti> is the current implementation of rock
[13:21] < Be-El> praenti: and with a detected gnucash it fails because of g-wrap
[13:21] < praenti> Be-El: no. g-wrap is already installed. but i cant compile gnucash cause of missing bdb
[13:21] < praenti> even it is insatlled...
[13:22] < praenti> ok. perhaps i have it. there is missing a header file in bdb
[13:23] < Be-El> db_185.h ? ;-)
[13:23] < praenti> yes
[13:28] < praenti> i hate gnucash. why they use autoconf 2.13. that is totally obsolete...
[13:30] < praenti> ok. and now i have the old prob. ghttp unknown library
[13:30] < praenti> argh
[13:31] < praenti> ok. then without gnucash...
[13:32] < Be-El> praenti: ghttp is part of the current svn repository
[13:33] < praenti> hmm.
[13:34] < praenti> which repository
[13:34] < Be-El> rock-trunk, gnome14 repository
[13:36] < praenti> there is no ghttp
[13:38] < Be-El> Package Name and Version: libghttp10 1.0.9 2.0.0-beta3
[13:38] < Be-El> Package Size: 0.19 MB, 23 files
[13:38] < Be-El> ROCK Linux Package Source Checksum: 308c97412559e66f93fa252e3b22f457
[13:38] < Be-El> ok, it's the gnome2 repository ;-)
[13:39] < praenti> ok. then perhaps i was blind
[13:39] < praenti> ok i was blind
[13:40] < praenti> hmm. strange. it is installed
[13:41] < Be-El> maybe gnucash is a gnome1 application...and opt/gnome2 is not part of the search pathes
[13:41] < praenti> had the same idea
[13:42] < praenti> very strange. it includes gnome-2.conf in his conf
[13:42] < praenti> looks like configure does some weird things
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[13:43] < showGUN> hi all
[13:43] < praenti> it has s.th. to do with gtkhtml. i think
[13:44] < showGUN> anybody here, can i ask why is autoconf not in stage 0 cos' the coreutils?
[13:44] < praenti> ghttp is gnome2 and gtkhtml gnome14
[13:44] < praenti> showGUN: yes
[13:44] < praenti> showGUN: should be already
[13:44] < praenti> i will have a look wait a moment
[13:45] < showGUN> i've been s.cking with the coreutils since monday
[13:45] < praenti> looks like it is not fixed yet
[13:46] < praenti> open packages/base/autoconf/autoconf.desc
[13:46] < showGUN> and another observation
[13:46] < praenti> you shoud see a line like: X -1-3-5---9 187.000
[13:46] < showGUN> isn't it a problem that in stage 3 coreutils is before autoconf?
[13:46] < praenti> ahh wrong file
[13:46] < showGUN> :)
[13:47] < praenti> ok. was the right
[13:47] < showGUN> ok, 1-3-5-9
[13:47] < showGUN> 187000
[13:47] < praenti> change the priority from 187.000 to 144.000
[13:47] < showGUN> okay
[13:48] < showGUN> tanx
[13:48] < praenti> no do ./scripts/Config
[13:48] < praenti> and then autoconf should compile before coreutils
[13:48] < showGUN> ok, thanx
[13:48] < showGUN> (but now i'm building gcc3 in stage 2, so I'd better wait for it)
[13:49] < praenti> no. thats bad. you need coreutils in stage 3
[13:49] < praenti> dont build stage 2 when stage 1 is incomplete
[13:49] < showGUN> stage 1 is complete :)))
[13:50] < showGUN> manually
[13:50] < praenti> also coreutils? ahh ok
[13:50] < praenti> cause you will need cp mv and so on
[13:50] < showGUN> and ln
[13:50] < praenti> yes
[13:50] < showGUN> i builded autoconf-1.57 manually before ./scripts/Build-Target
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[14:00] < showGUN> yah, and 1more: what handles .gem?
[14:00] < showGUN> (what proggie?)
[14:00] < Be-El> showGUN: mine
[14:00] < showGUN> ok, tnx
[14:08] < showGUN> byez, leaving it countin' buildin' freezin'
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[14:18] < showGUN> hi all
[14:18] < showGUN> usr/share/man/man1/hostname.1: coreutils net-tools
[14:19] < showGUN> shared files with other package. what can i do now?
[14:21] < Be-El> showGUN: either fix the packages, or disable the paranoia checks
[14:22] < Be-El> fixing is the preferred way, of course ;-)
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[14:24] < Be-El> anyways...off for work
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[14:24] < showGUN> givin' a horseshoe on it
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[15:03] < netrunner> hm ... can I reconfigure and start a second build while one is running? I dislike my second 2,6GHz being 100% idle.
[15:06] < _NULL_> remoin *yawnÜ
[15:06] < _NULL_> netrunner: afaik. yes. you can...
[15:09] < netrunner> _NULL_: but I think if he finds a changed config he rereads it?
[15:09] < _NULL_> netrunner: afaik you should have something like:
[15:09] < _NULL_> build1 -> dir
[15:09] < _NULL_> build2 -> dir
[15:10] < _NULL_> where the configuration-files are different... you 're having the stuff like - pentium4, athlon or what you want stored in your current build* directory
[15:14] < _NULL_> *'AAAAAAAAAAAARGH* which idiot is destroying our house on a saturday afternoon!?!!!!!! *explode*
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[15:57] < netrunner> hm ... somehow the build scripts do not find the downloaded files when download/ is mounted or symlinked from somewhere else :(
[15:59] < _NULL_> huh?
[16:35] < daja77> re
[16:36] < netrunner> hi daja77
[16:36] < daja77> hi netrunner
[16:53] < rxr> _NULL_: s.o. is destroying your house ?
[16:54] < _NULL_> rxr: yes. it sound so...
[16:55] < rxr> oi
[17:04] < daja77> rxr: I am testing rev 224 isos...
[17:04] < rxr> and how far are you? does it boot and start to install ?
[17:04] < daja77> kernel panic: no init found
[17:06] < mnemoc> daja77: is root mounted?
[17:06] < daja77> ahem I get that error while booting
[17:07] < mnemoc> change the way you defined root in lilo.conf
[17:07] < daja77> while booting from cd
[17:09] < mnemoc> daja77: that use to happen when kernel is not able to mount the root
[17:09] < daja77> yeah but why?
[17:09] < daja77> root should be on cd
[17:10]   mnemoc had never made a bootable cd :(
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[17:33] < daja77> anybody likes to join a freeciv session?
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[18:26] < daja77> hi LocalHero
[18:26] < LocalHero> Hi all :)
[18:27] < LocalHero> Mike1: Did some cleanup, now i have 6.7gb free :)..
[18:27] < LocalHero> daja77: Hi, Whazup?
[18:28] < daja77> hmm well lots of shit happened
[18:28] < LocalHero> daja77: oki, doesnt sound nice :(
[18:28] < daja77> no indeed
[18:30] < mnemoc> anybody knows a workaround to solve the detenction of makedev in configures?
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[19:05] < daja77> mnemoc: patch the configure.in or configure.ac
[19:08] < mnemoc> just removing the code?
[19:08] < mnemoc> or asigning it some value?
[19:08] < daja77> dunno
[19:08] < mnemoc> :(
[19:09] < LocalHero> Need to go, cya
[19:10] < daja77> bye LocalHero
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[19:10] < mnemoc> bye
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[19:24] < rxr> re
[19:25] < rxr> mnemoc: please patch the configure - not an .in or .ac thing - that often requires a specific autoconf ... version ...
[19:26] < mnemoc> ok :|
[19:28] < mnemoc> rxr: MAKEDEV needs some specific value for tools.cross? o just remove the code? (libtar)
[19:41] < rxr> mnemoc: erhm - I don't know.
[19:48]   netrunner just realised that building goes 100 times faster with the new board. and the build/bla/root is already usable.
[19:49] < netrunner> ... or is there anything against using this as a netboot root?
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[19:53] < netrunner> ok, I consider no as answer and go find some beer :)
[19:54] < rxr> yes
[19:55] < netrunner> rxr: yes beer or yes not good?
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[19:59] < rxr> yes beer ;-) What do you mean with netboot? Booting another box to use the root where you still build ROCK in ?
[19:59] < netrunner> rxr: even harder: booting a box that is supposed to continue building the rock
[19:59] < netrunner> (using the root)
[20:01] < rxr> but that box should start from scratch in this root? I see no way to continue the build inside the build-root ...
[20:02] < netrunner> rxr: no, it's a 'half-built' rock somewhere in stage 5. but i am impatient :)
[20:02] < rxr> so you wanna continue that build?
[20:03] < netrunner> rxr: yepp
[20:03] < blindcoder> g'evening
[20:03] < netrunner> rxr: but there were some problems, couldn't login (no password set), couldn't mount nfs (no portmapper)
[20:04] < netrunner> maybe I should just build the minimal system and then do the full build using the minimal system, so I am not working on a self-modifying system.
[20:06] < rxr> the self-modifying system shouldn't be such a problem
[20:07] < rxr> (we even support this via teh Update-System script)
[20:07] < rxr> but you can not continue the build in this root since you miss the download files - and all the source
[20:08] < rxr> (you could do many link tricks so ...)
[20:08] < netrunner> rxr: it refused to use the download dir when it was mounted or symlinked, just didn't find the files.
[20:13] < mnemoc> netrunner: that's fault of VFS
[20:14] < mnemoc> a/b with b mounted.... i you build a to c/a there is no c/a/b
[20:14] < mnemoc> s/ i / if /
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[20:16] < esden> hi baka-chibi ;-)
[20:16] < esden> chibiiii chibiiii
[20:16] < esden> *gg*
[20:17] < netrunner> hi esden
[20:17] < mnemoc> argh... i'm writing as hell.... "a/b with b mounted, if you bind a to c/a, you will not see c/a/b"
[20:17] < netrunner> mnemoc: ah, I see. I'll think about it tomorrow, thx for the point.
[20:18] < netrunner> mnemoc: I got what you meant :)
[20:21] < esden> hi netrunner
[20:21] < mnemoc> btw, hi esden
[20:21] < esden> hi mnemoc
[20:21] < esden> ;-)
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[20:37] < holyolli> moin
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[20:39] < rygar> hi
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[20:39] < holyolli> hi rygar, nookie
[20:40] < rygar> hi holyolli
[20:42] < holyolli> rxr?
[20:44] < rxr> hi holyolli - ja die CD - noch keine Zeit gehabt ...
[20:45] < holyolli> rxr: no prob..that's why i'm writing..
[20:45] < holyolli> rxr: i installed with a fat32-part
[20:46] < holyolli> rxr: did you encounter any problems with gnome-session? because it isn't there...
[20:48] < holyolli> the flist of gnome-session22 contains only the files under /var/adm - nothing else
[20:49] < _NULL_> *yawn* re-good-morning
[20:50] < holyolli> moin ull
[20:50] < rxr> holyolli: yes - the -beta was rebuild many times and some files are missing ... :-(
[20:50] < holyolli> null even
[20:50] < holyolli> rxr: ah
[20:50] < rxr> the -beta3 will be cleaner (not rebuild in the same root 6 times ...)
[20:50] < _NULL_> hi holyolli
[20:50] < holyolli> rxr: shoult i send the install-report over the maillist or directly to you?
[20:50] < holyolli> should even
[20:51] < rxr> holyolli: hm - it the report more + or - ?
[20:53] < holyolli> rxr: *g* i think it's +..but I just write all, what happenend during install and what we could do better
[20:53] < rxr> hm - send it to the list ...
[20:53] < holyolli> ack
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[21:11] < rxr> new stable page at:
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[21:11] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/stable/
[21:11] < rxr> it will also be linked from the main-page soon
[21:12] < rxr> btw have you noticed that cliff has just (or currently still is) converting the homepage to the new style ? ;-)
[21:14] < holyolli> oh..not yet
[21:15] < mnemoc> rxr: the 'box' of Other ROCK Linux Sites is ~5px larger than the others in explorer
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[21:17] < mnemoc> looks great in netscape, but in explorer is quite 'coarse'
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[21:21] < LocalHero> Hi all
[21:30] < rxr> mnemoc: I mnemoc hm - seems to be an IE bug
[21:30] < rxr> ^- oops
[21:30] < rxr> maybe caused by the longer text - and IE is not breaking it automatically ...
[21:31] < mnemoc> fixed width is not 'so' fixed in IE
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[21:39] < tsa> hi all
[21:40] < mnemoc> hi tsa
[21:40] < tsa> hi mnemoc
[21:41] < _NULL_> hi tsa
[21:45] < mnemoc> hi _NULL_
[21:46] < mnemoc> (this 'greeting' thing can become recursive)
[21:47] < mnemoc> netrunner: are you here?
[21:47] < tcr> Hmm, I think I'll update to xchat 2.x
[21:48] < _NULL_> xchat? - nah. real geeks are using irssi *vbeg*
[21:48] < mnemoc> xchat or irssi supports multiserver?
[21:49] < cOdEz> both of them support multiserver
[21:49] < LocalHero> Is the color better?
[21:49] < LocalHero> https://beta.hightech.nu/
[21:49] < tcr> mnemoc: An IRC client that claims itself an IRC client, must support multiple servers at once!
[21:50]   tcr brb
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[21:51] < LocalHero> Autch, what has happend to the main site?
[21:52] < mnemoc> new look
[21:53] < LocalHero> yes i can se that :)
[21:53] < LocalHero> Hmm, i think it looks a bit to much :)
[21:54] < netrunner> wow - 28 minutes for glibc is much better than the 9h before!
[21:54] < LocalHero> netrunner, new cpu?
[21:54] < mnemoc> netrunner: i have a patch for linked/mounted download dirs, if you want to test it ;)
[21:55] < mnemoc> i'm just on stage 1 :(
[21:55] < mnemoc> but no warranty
[21:55] < netrunner> mnemoc: thx, I already switched back to nfs-build, for a new build, but you could send it to me via mail, maybe tomorrow I can test it.
[21:56] < LocalHero> got to go, cya
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[22:00] < netrunner> mnemoc: hm ... how tho other people manage it to have two trees with their download dirs?
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[22:01] < mnemoc> don't know... i guess with just one building tree
[22:02] < mnemoc> i use three trees, but just one for building
[22:02] < mnemoc> one for reference and the second for developing
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[22:19] < mnemoc> https://www.langleycreations.com/pitfall/
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[22:22] < tcr> Hmm...
[22:23] < tcr> The font xchat2.x uses per default sucks -- does anyone know a good (== well readable) font + font size?
[22:24] < _NULL_> nope. sorry. not x(chat)-user
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[22:53] < tcr> Oh, an israelite - Hi
[22:53] < tfing> i guess he needs help_with_linux :)
[22:53] < tfing> hi all
[22:53] < tcr> Moin tfing
[22:54] < tsa> tfing: no, that's probably meant as an offer..
[22:54] < tfing> hmmm
[22:54] < tcr> ./nick code_for_food
[22:54] < tcr> ;)
[23:00] < _NULL_> tststs
[23:00] < _NULL_> ./nick code_for_much_money_and_buy_food
[23:02] < tcr> That's not geeky
[23:03] < _NULL_> why not?
[23:04] < _NULL_> you mean "gebratene tauben fliegen dir in den mund" is more geeky than "getting money, boying food, cooking and eating food"?
[23:05] < tcr> Hackers just earn so much that they can make a living...
[23:05] < tcr> Said by nobody else than rms, so ... ;)
[23:06] < _NULL_> :p
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[23:06] < _NULL_> ok, ok. i'm giving up :p
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[23:10] < mnemoc> hi Lorini
[23:10] < Lorini> re
[23:10] < rxr> re
[23:11] < mnemoc> hi rxr
[23:12] < rxr> hi mnemoc
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[23:25] < showGUN> hi all
[23:26] < rxr> hi showGUN
[23:27] < _NULL_> hi showGUN
[23:27] < rxr> Committed revision 292.
[23:28] < rxr> but when you update you get a 1MB revision 191 (copy patch)
[23:28] < showGUN> has the subversion, the openal, and the smpeg some dependencies, or it is no error if i simply dont have them?
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[23:28] < rxr> showGUN: what do you mean? (please ask with more words ;-)
[23:29] < mnemoc_> rxr: how can i 'clean' historical revisions from my tree?
[23:29] < rxr> mnemoc_: hm?
[23:29] < showGUN> okay, so, if i do not have the packages called smpeg, openal, subversion and powermanga, so will any packages fail due to this outage?
[23:29] < rxr> mnemoc_: you should not have historical revisions in your working-copy - you only have the prestine copy, not any older revisions
[23:30] < rxr> showGUN: during a full Build-Target ?
[23:30] < mnemoc_> really sure about thaT?
[23:30] < rxr> mnemoc_: more or less ;-) But I think a bit "more" ...
[23:30] < showGUN> yes
[23:30] < showGUN> i can't have them downloaded
[23:31] < rxr> showGUN: yes some packages fail due to the packages you "miss" - but btw. what do you mean with "miss" ?
[23:31] < rxr> showGUN: what ROCK Linux source do you have?
[23:31] < showGUN> 2.0.0-beta2
[23:31] < showGUN> and even the coreutils bilds fine
[23:32] < rxr> showGUN: a yes the URL of the smpeg openal packagse are not valid in this release - this is "normal" for this snapshot
[23:33] < rxr> showGUN: you will not get too many failing packages
[23:33] < showGUN> too many :))) tnx
[23:33] < mnemoc_> rxr: did you update all .desc files?
[23:33] < rxr> showGUN: but when you want to have a more correct source please use either the cvs or svn checkout
[23:34] < rxr> mnemoc_: yes most - since the copyright info was out of date I did a ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch
[23:34] < showGUN> cvs got worse
[23:34] < rxr> showGUN: what do you mean?
[23:34] < showGUN> the update script is fine for cvs, isn't it?
[23:35] < rxr> showGUN: the ./scripts/Internal cvs-update ?
[23:35] < mnemoc_> update script uses rsync
[23:35] < showGUN> ./scripts/Update-Src
[23:35] < showGUN> uhh, now i like blindcoder without contact lenses :k
[23:35] < rxr> showGUN: yeah - we still have to discuss if we want to still use this _old_ Update-Src
[23:36] < daja77> re
[23:36] < rxr> showGUN: it is a relict from our style to maintain ROCK sources - and uses rsync of the latest snapshot (which is quite old currently ...)
[23:36] < rxr> hi daja77
[23:36] < mnemoc_> rxr: an rsync update for the stable tree could be fine
[23:36] < daja77> rxr: the rev 224 isos are broken
[23:36] < mnemoc_> for users
[23:36] < showGUN> okay, so i treid to use the _old_ update-src, and i didn't liked it, s i tought the simple 2.0.0-beta2 is enaough good for me
[23:37]   daja77 compiling rev 290
[23:37] < rxr> showGUN: yes -beta2 should be far better than an Update-Src one
[23:37] < rxr> daja77: I hope you do not recompile all? Only the stuff that changed?
[23:38] < showGUN> i changed the priority 144.000 of autoconf and now i am at build-281/753 and still have no fails
[23:38] < rxr> daja77: btw in wich way are the ISOs broken ?
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[23:39] < showGUN> hai
[23:39] < daja77> mom
[23:39] < showGUN> byz, gone sleep leaving it bildin'
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[23:40] < daja77> rxr: I do a complete rebuild cause mixed rebuilds often failed here
[23:41] < daja77> I got a kernel panic: no init found when booting the cd
[23:42] < rxr> oi
[23:42] < rxr> that will not fo away by a rebuild
[23:43] < rxr> did you get errors during boot-image creation? I bet there was some too less space thing ...
[23:43] < daja77> I fear that, I kept the isos, did the rebuild to test a newer revision ;)
[23:43] < daja77> no
[23:43] < rxr> I'll see when I create the -beta3 CD set what problems need to be fixed ...
[23:44] < daja77> I did a Create-Iso -size 700
[23:44] < daja77> == 23:45:15 =[1]=> Building base/bash [2.05b 2.0.0-beta3].
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[23:46] < daja77> I only wanted to test stone once more ;)
[23:48] < daja77> rxr: uh bad typo in your mail *gggg*
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Sun May 18 00:00:30 2003