-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sun May 18 00:00:31 2003
[00:02] < rxr> daja77: what typo farther -> father ? ;-)
[00:02] < daja77> hehe yes ;)
[00:03] < daja77> bad that there is  no supersede for mail
[00:04] < rxr> yeah - but type'n so fast for those damn mails might me puzzle some keystrokes ...
[00:04] < daja77> I know, I'd like to supersede, or even cancel my mail to rtai list...
[00:08] < rxr> one question
[00:08] < rxr> I'm going to change the ROCK Linux default prompt (the current one sucks far too much)
[00:08] < rxr> is this ok for you all "\u@\h:\w\$ "
[00:08] < tsa> what is the default prompt?
[00:08] < rxr> ???
[00:09]   tsa currently uses "[\u@\h \w]\$ "
[00:10] < daja77> O_o see if I get this parsed, username@host:working_dir , right?
[00:11] < tfing> daja77: you can also do an export PS1 to try it ;)
[00:11] < tsa> hm...perhaps \W instead of \w ?
[00:11] < rxr> tsa: I for myself also do use s.th. more - but I do not want to make this the default - I just want to have a more common default ...
[00:11] < rxr> and the username is a must ;-)
[00:12]   tfing votes for \w by default
[00:12] < daja77> rxr: ack
[00:12]   tsa votes for having [ and ]
[00:15] < rxr> the desktop target will get a colored promt (I like to quickly see where a new output begins when I scroll some hundred lines up ... ;-)
[00:15] < rxr> I like \w more, too
[00:15] < daja77> [ ] sounds ok for me
[00:16] < mnemoc> having $PWD on title is nice too
[00:16] < rxr> I should not change to much there - maybe Cliff doesn't like the resulting prompt ... ;-)
[00:17] < mnemoc> i warranty he will hate it ;)
[00:17] < tsa> a _COLORED_ prompt?
[00:18] < tsa> AAAAARRRRGH!
[00:18] < daja77> tsa: why colored prompts are cool ;)
[00:18] < tsa> no.
[00:18] < rxr> tsa: that is really nice when you have 3000 lines in the buffer and search for a particular start of data ;-)
[00:18] < mnemoc> properly colored... not artistic
[00:18] < tsa> not with the variety of termcaps existing among different systems.
[00:19] < rxr> tsa: this is why the generic prompt stays binary - and the desktop promt will get color ;-)
[00:19] < rxr> btw:
[00:19] < rxr> in former times we had a "#" at the end - instead of the "$"
[00:19] < rxr> and prefered one ?
[00:19] < daja77> $ is more bash like *g*
[00:20] < tsa> $ marks a user prompt.
[00:20] < tsa> # a root prompt
[00:20] < tfing> hmm, # is for root usually and $ for normal users
[00:20] < mnemoc> \$
[00:20] < tsa> \$ will give the appropriate.
[00:21] < mnemoc> i good to know when you are sued or not ;)
[00:21] < rxr> ah yes
[00:21] < rxr> ok - this is what \$ does ... - in around 1.4 we had other code there ...
[00:22] < tsa> this is 1.4 here.
[00:22] < rxr> tsa: and what do you have in PS1 ?
[00:22] < tsa> rxr: 1.4 suggests: "\h:\w\$ "
[00:22] < tsa> i modified it to read "[\u@\h \w]\$ "
[00:23] < mnemoc> rxr: \u is needed too
[00:24] < mnemoc> \u \h \w \$ <--- these are mandatory for 'safe' usage
[00:24] < mnemoc> a timestamp is usefull
[00:25] < rxr> tsa: hm - ok then someway in dRock-1.4.0 this line got other incfluences ...
[00:25] < tsa> what about
[00:25] < tsa> \\$\w\u
[00:25] < tsa> ;-)
[00:25] < mnemoc> doh
[00:26] < daja77> mnemoc: I don't wanna have an 80 chars wide prompt ;)
[00:26] < mnemoc> \w is just one token
[00:26] < mnemoc> \h is one token too
[00:26] < daja77> no I was refering to the timestamp
[00:27] < rxr> ok I only added the missing \u - and for dRock I patch colors into it ...
[00:27] < mnemoc> [hh:mm] is cute
[00:27] < mnemoc> ;)
[00:28] < tsa> PS1="Welcome to ROCK Linux, you are \u on system \h and a hash mark at the end of this line tells you that you are root \$"
[00:28] < mnemoc> hehehe
[00:28] < rxr> how a question about such a tiny change can start such a lengthy discussion ...
[00:29] < mnemoc> this kind of talking is relaxing
[00:29] < daja77> yes and we would be bored otherwise
[00:29] < rxr> tsa: nope you need to include this: "for qestions about a specific program consult the program man - and if you are not sure which program to use the program apropos might be a help" ;-)
[00:29] < daja77> hmm coreutils still faled in stage 3
[00:30] < rxr> daja77: yes - aside from this talk I started to investigate this now ...
[00:30] < tsa> rxr: good idea ;-)
[00:30] < mnemoc> daja77: sure... i still needing autoconf
[00:30] < daja77> rxr: hehe it shoudl say, if you have problems reading this prompt please mailto rene@rock... ;)
[00:31] < mnemoc> but mike's patch re-enable uptime, with breaks it too
[00:31] < rxr> tsa: and if you still do not know of to proceed consult our suppotr hotline 2934234 2EUR/min ;-)
[00:31] < rxr> mnemoc: the patch isn't the right fix - it is only a work-around
[00:31] < mnemoc> as a work-around fails ;)
[00:32] < daja77> well as someone put it, it is a würg-around ;)
[00:32] < rxr> PS1="" is confusing ;-)
[00:32] < rxr> I get the feeling the last program still hangs ;-)
[00:33] < mnemoc> <\u> <-- irc-like
[00:33] < mnemoc> and an @ if sued
[00:33] < tsa> mnemoc: NO!
[00:33] < tsa> i will start typing "hi all" in my xterms, then...
[00:34] < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ hi all
[00:34] < tsa> bash: hi: command not found
[00:34] < daja77> alias hi `rm -rf /` *ggg*
[00:35] < tsa> hehe
[00:35] < tsa> fun with shell?
[00:35] < rxr> a prompt I'm used to: PS1="\[\033[1;32m\]\u@\h:\w \$\[\033[0m\]"
[00:36] < rxr> ^- and red for root ;-) ...
[00:36] < tsa> time for echo in canyon; do echo $echo $echo; done
[00:36] < tsa> (bash only)
[00:37]   daja77 votes for a funny bot on this chan *gg*
[00:38] < mnemoc> /msg tsa help
[00:38] < daja77> hehe
[00:38] < tsa> hehe
[00:39] < mnemoc> rxr: colors are nice for simbols, but not for the entire prompt
[00:39] < mnemoc> tsa isn't a bot?
[00:39] < daja77> lol
[00:39] < daja77> I'll give it a try
[00:40] < daja77> !fart mnemoc
[00:40] < daja77> hmm no he isn't I fear
[00:41] < daja77> hmm never mind I'm just kidding
[00:41]   daja77 gets childish today .oO
[00:42] < mnemoc> that's good for health
[00:42] < mnemoc> code code code is killing me :(
[00:47] < _NULL_> mnemoc: hm.. code is killing? hmm *thinking*
[00:47]   daja77 recodes _NULL_ ...
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[00:52] < daja77> yeah stage 5 reached
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[00:55] < netrunner> crap, this cc1 problem again :(
[00:59] < daja77> gn8 cu later
[01:00] < rxr> n8 daja77
[01:04] < mnemoc> n8 daja
[01:07] < mnemoc> what means a $ before a quote?
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[01:07] < mnemoc> e.g. PS2=$'> '
[01:11] < rxr> mnemoc: where do you see this ?
[01:11] < mnemoc> set
[01:13] < rxr> mnemoc: what specific line of set ?
[01:15] < mnemoc> PS{1,2,4} BASH_VERSION IFS, SSH_CLIENT, ...
[01:15] < mnemoc> #set | grep "\$'" | wc -l
[01:15] < mnemoc> 8
[01:18] < rxr> hm - dont't know ... {man,info} bash?
[01:19] < mnemoc> seems some kind of escaping
[01:19] < mnemoc> do u have the same?
[01:20] < rxr> no I only haveone
[01:20] < rxr> set | grep "\$'"
[01:20] < rxr> IFS=$' \t\n'
[01:21] < mnemoc> i have never seen that before
[01:21] < rxr> I need those damn RMA disks back from Hitachi - my server is that slow
[01:22] < mnemoc> i much have you waiting?
[01:27] < _NULL_> ...
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[01:59] < rxr> Committed revision 295.
[02:02] < rxr> Committed revision 295.
[02:02] < rxr> ^- might fix the coreutils stage3 thing ...
[02:03] < mnemoc> yeah??!!
[02:04] < rxr> _might_ !
[02:05] < rxr> test build still running ...
[02:05] < mnemoc> did u solve broken progs too? (patch is disabled)
[02:05] < rxr> oh oops forgot to add new patch ?
[02:06] < mnemoc> cross.patch
[02:06] < rxr> mom commiting patch addition
[02:06]   rxr is sooo stupid ...
[02:06] < rxr> Committed revision 296.
[02:06] < mnemoc> hehe
[02:07] < rxr> does anyone know if there is some prog / script out that generates such a nice patch-file-modification histogram as used for the bitkeeper changeset output?
[02:08] < rxr> mnemoc: the patch is a simple avoid the regeneration with the GNU auto* dung ...
[02:08] < rxr> == 02:11:00 =[3]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
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[02:14] < mnemoc> but... you patch configure.ac
[02:14] < rxr> do I
[02:15] < mnemoc> i can't find a patch to do that...
[02:15] < mnemoc> premake stuff?
[02:15] < mnemoc> no...
[02:15]   mnemoc seems to be blind
[02:15] < rxr> the old patch is not used anymore
[02:15] < rxr> I did a new patch which patches the .in file and configure ...
[02:15] < rxr> no-broken-progs-in.patch
[02:15] < rxr> hm - s.th. does not yet work as expected.
[02:15] < rxr> mom
[02:15] < mnemoc> patch without test is bad :-)
[02:17] < mnemoc> no-broken-progs.patch <--- this is the patch on svn
[02:17] < mnemoc> i guess you delete yours o_O
[02:21] < rxr> mnemoc: I svn mv'ed it
[02:28] < rxr> this coreutils Makefile auto* fung is really ILL
[02:30] < mnemoc> and auto* needing perl ;)
[02:39] < rxr> mnemoc: commiting ?
[02:39] < rxr> s/?/!/
[02:40]   rxr needs sleeop 2:43 here ..
[02:40] < rxr> mnemoc: do you have a build to test my modifications ?=
[02:40] < rxr> Committed revision 298.
[02:40] < mnemoc> i'm on stge 1
[02:40] < mnemoc> :(
[02:41] < mnemoc> 1-linux24
[02:41] < mnemoc> it takes a loooong time
[02:41] < rxr> == 02:39:22 =[3]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
[02:41] < rxr> == 05/18/03 02:41:53 =[3]=> Finished building package coreutils.
[02:41] < mnemoc> :D
[02:41] < mnemoc> try with 1-coreuitls too please
[02:41] < rxr> == 02:35:53 =[1]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
[02:42] < rxr> == 05/18/03 02:38:49 =[1]=> Finished building package coreutils.
[02:42] < mnemoc> you did it ;)
[02:42] < mnemoc> you deserve to sleep
[02:42] < rxr> yeah - but I have a quite up-to-date system so I never had failures in 1-coreutils ...
[02:43] < mnemoc> i'll tell you if my 1-coreutils fails
[02:45] < rxr> == 02:46:40 =[1]=> Building base/coreutils [5.0 2.0.0-beta3].
[02:46] < rxr> mnemoc: did you 1-coreutils usually failed ?
[02:48] < mnemoc> i ahve to finish 1-lixnu24 first ;)
[02:49] < mnemoc> go to sleep.... i'll mail you
[02:49] < rxr> mnemoc: did your 1-coreutils usually failed in the past?
[02:49] < rxr> == 05/18/03 02:49:48 =[1]=> Finished building package coreutils.
[02:49] < mnemoc> with mike's it fails
[02:49] < mnemoc> without it, 1-success, 3-fails
[02:49] < mnemoc> that's why i asked you about 1-coreutils
[02:49] < rxr> mnemoc: don't forget to get the source:
[02:49] < rxr> Author: rene
[02:49] < rxr> Date: 2003-05-18 02:42:04 +0200 (Sun, 18 May 2003)
[02:49] < rxr> New Revision: 298
[02:49] < rxr> Added:
[02:49] < rxr>    rock-trunk/package/base/coreutils/no-generate-hack.patch
[02:49] < rxr> Log:
[02:49] < rxr> ok - final fix
[02:49] < mnemoc> don't wnat to reach 300 tonight?
[02:49] < rxr> hm - I could improve some .init script if you wanna see 300 now ;-)
[02:50] < mnemoc> hehe ... go to sleep :-)
[02:54] < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
[02:54] < rxr> mnemoc: yes
[02:54] < mnemoc> what your no-generate do in stage 5 or 9?
[02:54] < mnemoc> any damage?
[02:55] < rxr> nope - those damn Makefile.in files are simply not regenerated
[02:56] < rxr> we do not need this damn "when a bit changed all is regenerated" fluff, because it would detroy my modifications
[02:56] < mnemoc> but, they are there for something... not just bothering
[02:56] < rxr> and when we patch the basic fils (like cliff did) we depent on the auto* dung which then regenerates the Makefile.in and so the Makefile
[02:57] < mnemoc> ok
[02:57] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - but from the Makefile.am a Makefile.in is generated which in turn is generated into Makefile by configure
[02:57] < rxr> (the auto* dung stinks ...)
[02:58] < rxr> for a normal build they are not regenerated - this only happens because we touch those files (with patch)
[02:58] < mnemoc> aa.... i see
[02:59] < mnemoc> i thought ./confgiure could ask for them in some way
[03:04] < rxr> Author: rene
[03:04] < rxr> Date: 2003-05-18 03:06:32 +0200 (Sun, 18 May 2003)
[03:04] < rxr> New Revision: 300
[03:04] < rxr> Modified:
[03:04] < rxr>    rock-trunk/package/rene/squid/squid.init
[03:04] < rxr> Log:
[03:04] < rxr> improved squid.init (mostly mnemoc waited for a revision 300 this night;-)
[03:04] < rxr> Good night mnemoc ;-)
[03:11] < mnemoc> good night rxr
[03:32] < mnemoc> PS1='<$( if [ $UID -eq 0 ]; then echo "@"; fi )\u>' <--- nice prompt ;-)
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[03:41]   tsa going to bed
[03:41] < tsa> cu all
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[03:41] < mnemoc> n8 tsa
[03:42]   mnemoc is away: away
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[08:38] < kasc> moin
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[09:24] < rxr> 685 builds total, 361 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[09:35] < daja77> moin
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[09:37] < daja77> moin blindcoder
[09:40]   daja77 off again...
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[10:17] < rxr> moin daja77
[10:44] < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[10:44] < blindcoder> krec, gnome-soud-recorder are unable to record from Microphone
[10:44] < blindcoder> but `rec` just does it without complaining :D
[10:45] < blindcoder> long live the command-line tools!!!
[10:45] < _NULL_> moin
[10:45] < _NULL_> hi blindy
[10:45] < blindcoder> moin nully :)
[10:47] < rxr> blindcoder: do not not think this is a gnome/kde-rec s.th. issue - more a how is your mixer set issue
[10:49] < blindcoder> rxr: I just find it strange that rec just does it without me needing to configure anything and gnome-sound-recorder offers only configuring the path to sox (which is also used by rec) but complains about being unable to open the sound device
[10:50] < blindcoder> and no, nothing else was using it ATM, not even XMMS
[10:50] < rxr> 687 builds total, 396 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[10:50] < blindcoder> sweet
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[11:05] < rxr> 687 builds total, 403 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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[11:08] < _NULL_> re
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[11:13] < rxr> hi _NULL_
[11:15] < _NULL_> hi rxr
[11:21] < rxr> I guess this will be final -beta3:
[11:21] < rxr> 687 builds total, 408 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[11:21] < rxr> s/be/become/
[11:21] < rxr> now only this two damn 40 gig disks from IBM needs to be back from RMA (otherwise no space on the ISO server ...)
[11:22] < rxr> Committed revision 305.
[11:23]   rxr awy - cu
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[11:35] < blindcoder> WEE!
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[11:35] < blindcoder> Nothing like an espresso dopio after lunch :)
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[11:41] < blindcoder> okay, so no subversion for me >_,
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[11:51] < LocalHero> Hi all
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[11:56] < netrunner> moin
[12:00]   blindcoder now taking a shower then training then another shower and then maybe back :)
[12:00] < blindcoder> baba
[12:02] < n00kie> Have fun, blindcoder :)
[12:03]   netrunner now trying the svn-tree hoping the cc1 problem dissapears without work
[12:08] < _NULL_> moin netrunner
[12:09] < _NULL_> *lol* i guess there should be a counter how often netrunner used the word "problem"
[12:09] < netrunner> _NULL_: :P Next you start telling me it's my fault.
[12:10] < _NULL_> netrunner: sure.
[12:11] < _NULL_> you don't give your computer enought love :ppp
[12:11] < netrunner> _NULL_: no, I kick him with my feet.
[12:12] < _NULL_> netrunner: eh! your poor computer! he wants a hug not a kick!
[12:13] < _NULL_> it's a machine, not a human. machines have emotions and are feeling if you're hating or loving them
[12:14] < netrunner> _NULL_: ah, and he probably dislikes the smell of my socks?
[12:14] < netrunner> hm ... half an hour for the kernel compile ... not good but acceptable.
[12:14] < _NULL_> netrunner: yeah. you know, you're a lazy student - who changes his socks every week ;p
[12:15] < _NULL_> on which machineß
[12:15] < _NULL_> s/ß/?
[12:15] < netrunner> _NULL_: I change my socks every day. left to right, right to left, and every second day inside out.
[12:16] < _NULL_> oh goth. now you're really shocking me! ;p
[12:16]   netrunner -> learning.
[12:16] < _NULL_> netrunner: have fun
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[12:17] < rxr> netrunner: if you have some CC problem with the svn tree - please mail the log to me
[12:18] < rxr> 687 builds total, 429 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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[12:57] < netrunner> rxr: I had them with the cvs tree, now building svn 300 in stage 1-glibc23 so far
[13:00] < _NULL_> <-- inline-skating. bbl
[13:06] < _NULL_> or not. *grml*
[13:07] < netrunner> _NULL_: what, to wet? (here at least)
[13:07] < _NULL_> netrunner: nope. but sunday --> people (human race) are everywhere *shivers*
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[13:11] < netrunner> _NULL_: do you come to the bladenight in m?
[13:12] < _NULL_> netrunner: nope. sounds like a "volksauflauf" - even more people --> *hiding under the "bettdecke"* and: no time :)
[13:13] < netrunner> _NULL_: hm ... ca. 15k to 25k people :)
[13:13] < _NULL_> netrunner: waaaaaaaah! help! this would killing me!
[13:19] < netrunner> _NULL_: so come here and inline with few people! *checkingtheroads*
[13:20] < netrunner> hm ... still a little wet, but could improve.
[13:20] < _NULL_> netrunner: #define here ?
[13:21] < netrunner> _NULL_: munich. eastside 'yo man!'
[13:22] < _NULL_> netrunner: hmmm.. munich.. to far away.
[13:29] < netrunner> _NULL_: :P
[13:30] < _NULL_> .oO( netrunner seems to like to be kicked )
[13:30]   _NULL_ kicks netrunner :p
[13:30]   netrunner defends himself with his left little finger
[13:31] < _NULL_> *hrhr*
[13:31]   _NULL_ uses her black magic power to kick netrunner :p
[13:32]   netrunner summons a white mana shield
[13:32]   _NULL_ destroys netrunner's white mana shield
[13:32]   netrunner throws a astalbolt at _NULL_
[13:32]   netrunner curses his spelling
[13:32]   _NULL_ dies
[13:33]   netrunner reawakes _NULL_ giving her the shiny green leaf
[13:33] < _NULL_> :-(
[13:33] < _NULL_> dammit. don't awake me, netrunner - this is evil *cries*
[13:33] < netrunner> _NULL_: your time has not yet come! stay suffering! :P
[13:34] < _NULL_> netrunner: oho!
[13:34]   netrunner cooks some hot chocolate and offers it to _NULL_
[13:34]   _NULL_ takes a "zweihaeder" and splits netrunner's head into two parts
[13:35] < _NULL_> O_o hot chocolade. no thx. but tea would be nice. :p
[13:35]   netrunner laughs while watching NULL fighting with his mirror
[13:35] < _NULL_> netrunner: eh! *kick*
[13:35]   netrunner reappears and turns _NULL_'s bihander into a feather
[13:36] < _NULL_> *cries*
[13:36]   netrunner says: you know, _NULL_, the feather is more powerful than the sword.
[13:36] < _NULL_> netrunner: nack.
[13:36]   netrunner takes the feather and starts tickling _NULL_
[13:37] < netrunner> you see? :)
[13:37] < _NULL_> *g*
[13:37] < _NULL_> yes, i see
[13:37] < netrunner> .o( oh man, I haven't been to a mud for loong )
[13:37] < _NULL_> mud?
[13:37]   netrunner hands the feather back to _NULL_
[13:38] < _NULL_> thx, netrunner :)
[13:38]   _NULL_ strikes back and tickles netrunner to death :p+
[13:38] < netrunner> _NULL_: mud = multi user dungeon, text adventure, works like this here :)
[13:38]   netrunner starts giggling, laughing rotfling
[13:38] < _NULL_> netrunner: *g* ok.
[13:38] < _NULL_> *hrhr*
[13:39] < netrunner> _NULL_: try telnet mg.mud.de
[13:39] < _NULL_> hmhmhm... *thinking* you need telnet installed on your machine... i haven't *grml*
[13:40] < _NULL_> but thx anyway
[13:40] < netrunner> _NULL_: there are also mud clients, or you could use netcat. but protocol and port used is telnet
[13:42] < _NULL_> netrunner: hmhm. i need to install my system first... but today... hm. nobody can force me, to leave the bed :-/
[13:42] < _NULL_> or even to work
[13:48]   blindcoder back
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[13:49] < _NULL_> wb blindcoder
[13:49] < blindcoder> WEE! I feel good now :)
[13:51] < blindcoder> the problem with muds I have is that none of them fits what I want >_<
[13:51] < _NULL_> blindcoder: ??? are you mutated ???
[13:51] < blindcoder> _NULL_: no, why?
[13:51] < _NULL_> *looking shocked*
[13:51] < blindcoder> _NULL_: or maybe I am but didn't notice...
[13:51] < _NULL_> blindcoder: because you're feeling good now...
[13:51] < blindcoder> hrm... thinking about it... the latter is probably true :)
[13:51] < blindcoder> _NULL_: yes, just came back from training :)
[13:52] < blindcoder> and had a looong cooold shower :)
[13:52] < _NULL_> blindcoder: i had a cold shower, too... but... didn't help...
[13:52] < _NULL_> and to get the pills of luck i would have to leave the bed --> no chance
[13:53] < blindcoder> _NULL_: maybe you should go to a gym, too
[13:54] < _NULL_> blindcoder: forget it. to see all those "oh, i'm looking so great and i want to luck like a model"-"surfacing" humans? thanks - i would jump out of the next window, then
[13:55] < blindcoder> _NULL_: hrm... you're pre-judged, you know.
[13:55] < _NULL_> blindcoder: maybe. but - i don't see a sense in gym and crap. and humans... you know... i'm really "loving" them...
[13:56] < _NULL_> (and - ignore my typing,gramatical,whatever-failures)
[13:56] < _NULL_> (/me even to dumb to use a computer, talking/writing english, doing something)
[13:57] < capchaos> _NULL_, that's not true ...
[13:57] < _NULL_> capchaos: it is.
[13:57] < capchaos> no, it is not.
[13:57] < blindcoder> _NULL_: well... I really feel good after gym, but if you don't want to... your choice
[13:58] < _NULL_> capchaos: it is. and in future you will know it...
[13:58] < _NULL_> blindcoder: i can also do some hours of inline-skating - and i'm feeling like sh**
[13:58] < capchaos> no it's not, but .. if you want it to be, _NULL_, well..
[13:59] < _NULL_> but anyways - i'm forced to eat something now. or my parents are going to kill me because i didn't eat much since over a week
[13:59] < _NULL_> capchaos: ...
[14:00] < blindcoder> _NULL_: I did that, too. And it doesn't feel the same
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[14:15] < _NULL_> blindcoder: yeah. but you want to become a "super-muscle-man"
[14:16] < _NULL_> and, blindcoder - my problems are caused by life and thinking not physically.
[14:17] < _NULL_> (and if sports helps, then something isn't ok with melotonin and sorotonin afaik)
[14:21] < blindcoder> _NULL_: did I ever said that? I said that I want to get rid of too much body fah
[14:21] < blindcoder> fat
[14:22] < blindcoder> hrm... no libX11.a in ROCK
[14:23] < _NULL_> blindcoder: you said that you feel better after gym. and i should try this, too. (too feel better) - but i know that it doesn't help for me
[14:24] < blindcoder> _NULL_: have you tried?
[14:24] < _NULL_> blindcoder: i didn't try gym (and for sure - i won't try it) - but i tried skating and so
[14:24] < blindcoder> _NULL_: so how do you know?
[14:26] < _NULL_> blindcoder: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH* i know that i can't solve my problems caused by this fscking world/thoughts with sports! my melatonin and sorotonin-values are more than ok - so sport would not help me.
[14:26] < blindcoder> now, if you could enlighten me what melatonin and sorotonin is...
[14:27] < esden> good day
[14:28] < blindcoder> hi esden
[14:28] < _NULL_> blindcoder: oh goth. how to describe this... ok... i'm trying it with an example: if you have to less of them, you always feel like shit.
[14:28] < _NULL_> hi esden
[14:28] < _NULL_> blindcoder: and this is caused by nothing less than your body. but not by thaughts
[14:29] < blindcoder> _NULL_: so your values can't be okay...
[14:29] < esden> hmm ... I see you are fighting once more?
[14:29] < blindcoder> esden: as usual :)
[14:30] < _NULL_> blindcoder: they're ok. my blood was checked. and as i said once before - they're more than ok.
[14:30] < _NULL_> esden: sure. :p
[14:31] < esden> good
[14:32] < _NULL_> hmm... someone knows "crying crows" btw?
[14:33] < blindcoder> no
[14:33] < _NULL_> it was quite clear, that you won't know them ;p
[14:33] < blindcoder> :P
[14:34] < _NULL_> (otherwise you would have been mutated)
[14:36] < esden> I want to sleep ... *yawn*
[14:36] < _NULL_> esden: lazy student. didn't you sleep at night?
[14:36] < esden> damn Irix installation ... I finally menaged it to install irix on the indigo but it costed 9 hours
[14:36] < esden> _NULL_: no ... I have not ... I have installed irix ... as said above ... ;-)
[14:36] < _NULL_> indigo? O_o
[14:37] < esden> *sigh*
[14:37] < _NULL_> esden: okok. then: rm 'lazy student' :p
[14:38] < netrunner> Building tools in build/.../tools.chroot: cc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1': No such file or directory
[14:39] < netrunner> _NULL_: oh, sorry for mentioning problem again
[14:39] < esden> ahh ... there it is : https://www.serc.iisc.ernet.in/pictures/hardware/indigo2.gif
[14:39] < esden> _NULL_: see the above link to see the box
[14:43] < _NULL_> netrunner: hahaha. it's your fault :p
[14:43] < netrunner> _NULL_: I do not care if you just point me to my fault.
[14:44] < netrunner> (or anybody else?)
[14:44] < esden> that was exactly that machine: MaxImpact Indigo2 R10000, 4MB Texture + 20inch, 195MHz R10000SC processor w/1MB of Secondary Cache, 256MB Memory, 8GB Hard Drive, MaxImpact graphics w/4MB texture memory!, Built in 4 Channel 44.1KHz 16Bit Audio
[14:44] < esden> netrunner: nope ... as I said already ... :-/
[14:44] < netrunner> esden: sounds nice, that 1hu thing?
[14:44] < _NULL_> esden: where did you get it from? from a lugin-member or so?
[14:45] < _NULL_> netrunner: oki.
[14:45] < esden> netrunner: no it is more like 2 hu
[14:45] < esden> _NULL_: no ... uninvited does have such a box ...
[14:45] < _NULL_> esden: ah so.
[14:45] < esden> and there was irix installed but he had not the root password for it ... so "he" had to reinstall the system
[14:46] < esden> so he came yesterday to bitz ... and I sat down and after figuring out how (about 4 hours or so) I managed to install it ... (9 hours all in all)
[14:47] < esden> but now I know that the installation system of irix really sux ... and that it is really an example of user unfriendly interface
[14:47] < _NULL_> esden: urgs. btw, don't you wanna come to neuburg and get my DEC-alpha installed? *vbeg* (without a monitor of course)
[14:47] < esden> no _NULL_
[14:47] < _NULL_> esden: *g* why not?
[14:48] < esden> I do only install systems for free when I do it the first time ... I will never install irix for free anymore ...
[14:49] < esden> and not any other system
[14:49] < _NULL_> esden: hm... an alpha has irix installed?
[14:49] < esden> I need money ...
[14:49] < esden> and my time is expensive
[14:49] < esden> no not alpha
[14:50] < _NULL_> aeeeeeh.. esden ??????? are you changing into one of those "geldgeile" people? btw, i won't know you anymore, if you're wearing a smoking or so in future
[14:50] < esden> you install Tru64 Unix on dec alphas
[14:50] < esden> _NULL_: I ware a smoking from time to time today too ...
[14:51] < _NULL_> esden: ok... or freebsd or so afaik would be able to run on the DEC.. my problem is just, that i don't own a monitor... and there's no "com-port"
[14:51]   _NULL_ ph34rs esden
[14:51] < esden> good so _NULL_
[14:51] < _NULL_> esden: :p
[14:51] < esden> what alpha model is it?
[14:52] < _NULL_> model: pe32a-cd
[14:52] < _NULL_> dec 3000 300lx
[14:52] < esden> and alpha systems have normally a pci bus so you can insert a pci gfx card and connect a normal monitor to it
[14:52] < _NULL_> hm. second please
[14:53] < esden> ok ... you only have turbochannel in that box
[14:54] < _NULL_> ack.
[14:54] < _NULL_> hrmpf. :-/
[14:54] < esden> and you have a serial port in that box
[14:54] < _NULL_> huh?
[14:54] < esden> #
[14:54] < esden>     * One DB25 serial port with modem control
[14:55] < esden> _NULL_: internet and google is your friend ;-)
[14:55] < _NULL_> hmmm... ethernet, isdn, modem... a strange looking but larger than serial-port-port, and a printer or so oprt
[14:56] < esden> _NULL_: https://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html#300LX
[14:56] < _NULL_> esden: yeah... i had a look there, too... but didn't find something to get my box running...
[14:57] < esden> _NULL_: *sigh* .. DB25 is an old serial port ... looks like a parallel port ...
[14:57] < esden> and that box ... if you read that page I sent you does not have a parallel port ...
[14:57] < blindcoder> hehe
[14:57] < _NULL_> esden: hmmm... k...
[14:57] < blindcoder> I like bash :D
[14:57] < esden> _NULL_: you only have to reed
[14:57] < blindcoder> for x in *gif ; do convert $x ${x%gif}tga; done
[14:58] < _NULL_> yeah but it doesn't help me much with the problem how to see the output...
[14:58] < esden> blindcoder: and ... what is so funny in it?
[14:58] < esden> _NULL_: minicom is your friend?
[14:58] < _NULL_> .oO( esden is in bad mood )
[14:58] < _NULL_> esden: ...
[14:58] < blindcoder> esden: I just like it :)
[15:00] < _NULL_> hmpf... /me hopes to find some monitors in the company...
[15:03] < esden> _NULL_: nope I am not in a bad mood ... but I only want you to look for information more carefully ... so that your life get's easier
[15:03] < _NULL_> hmmm...
[15:04] < esden> _NULL_: search google for information how to connect over serial cable to an dec machine .. what cable you need and what settings in minicom
[15:04] < esden> and then you boot the box ... it detects that no keyboard is connected so it goes automatically on serial ... not like the fscking pa-risc hp machines >_< that you have te set on serial port blind
[15:05] < esden> and then you can boot the alpha installation cd ... where is there a problem?
[15:05] < _NULL_> alpha installation cd... *g* there is a) no cd-rom-lw, b) i don't own such a cd
[15:06] < _NULL_> (and: i'm not owning an scsi-cd-lw)
[15:07] < esden> in bitz there should be one .. you have to ask Flo
[15:07] < _NULL_> ok... thx
[15:08] < esden> why do I have to think for you ... *headshake*
[15:08] < _NULL_> a) i wasn't often at bitz! b) i don't know the people c) i'm too stupid
[15:08] < _NULL_> d) goodbye!
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[15:08] < esden> lol ... standard reaction
[15:09] < esden> she knows flo ... and she knows that there are many strange things in bitz ... why didn't she ask him? I think I will never understand other people ...
[15:11] < esden> ok ... I am off ... learning
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[15:23] < comrad> nuff
[15:23] < comrad> hi
[15:33] < netrunner> hm ... nfs slows build down by factor 3 (measured on 0-glibc23: nfs: 30min, local: 9min)
[15:48] < netrunner> slashme wants chocolate
[15:54] < mnemoc> netrunner: use ntfs for 'download' but never for building... if you have enought memory you should try to build in tempfs.
[15:55] < netrunner> mnemoc: s/ntfs/nfs, is 1G enough?
[15:56] < mnemoc> you MUST use tempfs ;)
[15:56] < netrunner> mnemoc: is it that faster?
[15:57] < mnemoc> try it ;)   [ ]    Use TMPFS for building packages
[15:57] < netrunner> mnemoc: does it continue my running build?
[15:58] < mnemoc> sure... but abort between pacakges
[15:59] < mnemoc> if you abort a package (stage>=3) you will leave some nasty binds
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[17:16] < c4y0> hi!
[17:16] < netrunner> c4y0: ho.
[17:16]   netrunner -> cooking
[17:16] < c4y0> hi!!!!! =)
[17:17] < mnemoc> nice.. un colombiano ;-)
[17:17] < c4y0> yeah!  arriba colombia!!!! ;)
[17:26] < netrunner> mnemoc: 2-binutils fails not finding the download dir.
[17:29] < netrunner> mnemoc: ah ... nfs mounted download works, but symlinked not
[17:33] < mnemoc> buuu :(
[17:34] < mnemoc> i did some tiny-tests with links....
[17:35] < mnemoc> gotta go right now... i you find a simple solution mail it ;-)
[17:35] < mnemoc> bye
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[17:52] < LocalHero> Hi all
[18:05] < netrunner> hi LH
[18:07] < esden> hi all
[18:08] < esden> a columbian? ... cool from wher in columbia?
[18:09] < netrunner> esden: where's tonight's party going on?
[18:09] < esden> o_O
[18:09] < esden> no idea ... why?
[18:10] < netrunner> esden: boring here.
[18:17] < esden> learn DS2 ;-)
[18:17] < esden> then you are not bored ;-)
[18:21] < esden> ahh an aswer from Joey ... cool
[18:26] < LocalHero> Oki, what isos do we want to keep? Im cleaning up the iso site now and transfering it to the new desing?
[18:26] < LocalHero> 1.4.0 is a must have :)
[18:27] < esden> LocalHero: ack
[18:28] < LocalHero> I did some cleaning a month ago. Hmm, seams like i have 1.5.19 and 1.5.20
[18:29] < LocalHero> Should i keep them?
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[18:43] < tcr> moin all
[18:45] < netrunner> esden: that's what I am doing all day :)
[18:50] < LocalHero> Oki, what do you think. Is it good for a start?
[18:50] < LocalHero> https://beta.hightech.nu
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[18:56] < n00kie> rxr: Are you there?
[18:57] < n00kie> /dev file system support (EXPERIMENTAL) -> automaticilly mount at boot or Debug devfs?
[18:58] < tcr> the latter one isn't necessary and not really desirable
[18:58] < n00kie> Okay
[18:58] < n00kie> Nothing to select?
[18:58] < n00kie> of the both points ?
[18:58] < tcr> the former one is required, however
[18:59] < tcr> devfs support (in general) + automatically mount at startup
[18:59] < n00kie> ok
[18:59] < n00kie> rxr said, that the machine won't boot up then
[19:01] < tcr> Hmm?
[19:01] < n00kie> mom
[19:02] < tcr> the machine won't boot up if you do _not_ enable that automatically mounting thingy -- maybe it was that?
[19:05] < n00kie> [14:23] < n00kie_> enable the "mount at boot" option
[19:05] < n00kie> [14:24] < rxr> n00kie_: no this would make the box unbootable
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[19:05] < n00kie> that,t c
[19:05] < n00kie> tcr:
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[19:07] < tcr> Hmm.. Would be new to me, but if he says so ...
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[19:07] < n00kie> Hmm
[19:07] < n00kie> What should I select then ?
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[19:08] < n00kie> daja77: Are you there?
[19:08] < tcr> n00kie: Just the devfs support - nothing else, I guess
[19:08] < n00kie> mm
[19:08] < n00kie> alright :)
[19:09] < n00kie> I trust you :)
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[19:55] < tcr> sorry, guys, but xchat 2.x doesnt seem to be very stable yet
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[19:55] < LocalHero> Hi all. Anybody have a iso bulit with kernel support for Buslogic so that i can run vmware?
[19:56] < LocalHero> Or an 1.7 iso for that part :=
[19:57]   netrunner watching startrek
[19:57] < esden> please take a look at this: https://www.infodrom.org/LinuxTag/index.php3?project=Rocklinux
[19:57] < esden> and tell me if it is ok
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[20:00] < LocalHero> esden, login pw?
[20:01] < esden> ups
[20:03] < LocalHero> oki no pw then :(
[20:03] < esden> one moment ... I search the right link ...
[20:03] < LocalHero> ahha :)
[20:04] < LocalHero> Ah,, brb
[20:05] < esden> I post the description on the mailinglist
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[20:43] < esden> ok ... mail out
[20:43] < esden> puhh that is a long one ...
[20:52] < daja77> n00kie_: why?
[20:52] < n00kie_> daja77: Just had some problems
[20:52] < n00kie_> Nothing important :)
[20:52] < daja77> are they away?
[20:52] < n00kie_> yep
[20:52] < daja77> good
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[20:58] < tcr> esden: ping
[21:01] < esden> tcr: ?
[21:01] < tcr> esden: In your description are some spelling errors..
[21:03] < esden> tcr: so reply to my mail correcting them ... that is why I sent it to the list ...
[21:03]   esden spelling sucks ... and I know that ... I am a legasteniker
[21:03] < esden> I can not do anything about it ...
[21:04] < tcr> I can't send any mails a.t.m. :/ But just wait a bit
[21:04] < esden> ok
[21:06] < tcr> esden: Eh, that can wait a bit, can't it? Be back watching the truman how
[21:06] < tcr> show
[21:13] < netrunner> esden: foreign languages are not to be spoken perfectly. Consider me speaking your tongue! ;)
[21:13] < daja77> esden: do you really think it is a good idea to say that stuff about bsd ports, and other kernels, this sounds like vapourware to me
[21:38] < rxr> re
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[21:39] < showGUN> hi all
[21:40] < showGUN> anybody here!
[21:41] < tcr> Yup
[21:41] < showGUN> it rather confuses me that there is no percent counter inthe builder script. i tought that it could be done from the .outs and the .logs avarage and current size
[21:42] < showGUN> any ideas?
[21:43] < tcr> Hmm..
[21:43] < n00kie_> n8
[21:43] < showGUN> n8 whatta?
[21:44] < n00kie_> night :)
[21:44] < rxr> showGUN: It could be done - but would be very inaccurate, and some hacking. I do not know if it is worth it ...
[21:44] < showGUN> inaccurate...
[21:44] < tcr> maybe it'd be easier to add to the successfull build message something like: (XXX/YYY) - whereby XXX is the number of already built package in the current stage, and YYY the total number of packages in the current stage that should be built
[21:45] < showGUN> i'd like to see in within one package
[21:45] < tcr> Ah, you mean when building just one package? I thought you meant the whole build process
[21:46] < showGUN> and i think the commands executed doesn't lasts the same time and the logsizez depends of the arch too, but an avarage percent, so i could see, that 5-koffice (sloooow) is about 20% or at 70% schon
[21:47] < showGUN> or a separate program running on a different vc, could do it
[21:48] < tcr> showGUN: Hmm, yeah as an external shellscript... Well, go ahead and write one
[21:48] < tcr> shouldn't be to hard to write
[21:48] < showGUN> i think so
[21:48] < showGUN> but i have to wait for the sizes
[21:49] < showGUN> because during building, or no data or ended :)))
[21:52] < tcr> Hmm... do you have fast boxes?
[21:52] < showGUN> fast boxes? only one K7 @1600
[21:53] < showGUN> but when i'm ready it'll be the first
[21:56] < tcr> Well, the more builds, the more precise the heurestics would get ;)
[21:58] < esden> daja77: write an email to the mailinglist ... I think that it should be discussed there ...
[21:59] < esden> tcr ... truman show? where?
[22:00] < showGUN> what?
[22:00] < showGUN> not this kind of show, okay
[22:00] < showGUN> :k
[22:01] < tcr> esden: Muha, it's almost over.. pro7
[22:01] < esden> tcr: argl
[22:06] < showGUN> okay, byz
[22:06] < showGUN> i go
[22:06] < tcr> esden: take a look at the query pls
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[23:04] < jsaw> hi.
[23:04] < esden> hi jsaw
[23:05] < jsaw> hi esden
[23:05] < jsaw> daja77: around?
[23:07] < jsaw> bootdisk problem: how do I get my secondary IDE controller (PDC20265) working as module? (The module loads and detects the card fine, but doesn't detect any discs)
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[23:35] < daja77> jsaw: yes
[23:35] < daja77> jsaw: you may download if you like
[23:36] < daja77> jsaw: sorry had to reboot routing machine, so you havent got the complete image
[23:37] < jsaw> daja77: no prob. but before I download...
[23:38] < jsaw> daja77: I remember that I had a problem getting access to my discs on the secondary IDE controller (dito)..
[23:39] < jsaw> daja77: AFAICS, the (kernel) config didn't change, so possibility is low, that the bootdisk will run on my computer :-\
[23:39] < daja77> hmm dunno, anyway if like to do another download, feel free todo so
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[23:40] < jsaw> daja77: I remember sb. saying I should then upload it to another server?
[23:41] < daja77> ah yes, I thought you might like to upload it to LocalHero's iso server, but afaik you don't have a complete image
[23:43] < daja77> acccording to my log ;=
[23:43] < daja77> )
[23:43] < jsaw> 1. I messed it up, 2. I'll start over now, and then put it on LocalHero... k?
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[23:45] < daja77> yeah it is ok for me
[23:45] < daja77> ok bye now ;)
[23:45] < jsaw> cu
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